Re: [Finale] staff groups reset removes my changes
>what is the best way to deal with this? set the piccolo in score >manager to flute (so it appears as fl. 1) and then set the piccolo >as a region in the score manager? even if it plays piccolo in the >entire score? here i mean mid-score instrument change, of course... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] staff groups reset removes my changes
in F2012 (recently upgraded from 2010) i am really having trouble with the way staff groups work. i have over 60 groups somehow defined in the document... when i "reset all groups and brackets" they are set to what finale thinks is right, not to what i defined in scroll view. for example, i set the bracket which includes fl2-3 to also include piccolo, reset brackets and the piccolo is no longer included in the flutes group bracket because it is considered to be another instrument (?!). i have unchecked "Automatic Instrument Family Group Brackets" in Program Options-Edit. what is the best way to deal with this? set the piccolo in score manager to flute (so it appears as fl. 1) and then set the piccolo as a region in the score manager? even if it plays piccolo in the entire score? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Groups (Fin11+)
I'm sorry but I don't have the time to bring up specific examples of the many file I did last year but when I get a moment I will send them to you privately. It has a lot to do with bracketing and groups names but mainly bracketing. Basically it gets down to, the old system and optimized systems allowed flexibility and the current system is very rigid especially when it comes to bracketing especially after the initial input and then editors or composer have their time with the proof and then I have to rework these groups. If everything was perfect when I initially put everything then YES, the new systems works well. But after that I have to whip out paper and a pencil and copy measure numbers down and track all the different edits, when before I would just make them without a care. Cheers, Steve From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Jari Williamsson [jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:46 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Staff Groups (Fin11+) On 2012-02-15 22:44, Fiskum, Steve wrote: > That's interesting to note since this new way of > working has forced me to create more groups than I ever had to do with > previous versions of Finale. Can you give an example where you need all these groups? Unless there are lots of named groups in a score, I can't personally think many other reasons. And if so, why are those numbers expanding compared to the older method? Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Groups (Fin11+)
On 2012-02-15 22:44, Fiskum, Steve wrote: > That's interesting to note since this new way of > working has forced me to create more groups than I ever had to do with > previous versions of Finale. Can you give an example where you need all these groups? Unless there are lots of named groups in a score, I can't personally think many other reasons. And if so, why are those numbers expanding compared to the older method? Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Groups (Fin11+)
On 2012-02-15 22:05, J D Thomas wrote: > Jari, > > Your site says this plugin is for Finale 2012 and later. Is this info > correct? Yes. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Groups (Fin11+)
Thanks for the info Jari. That's interesting to note since this new way of working has forced me to create more groups than I ever had to do with previous versions of Finale. I still think it was a bad idea to not let us have a duplicate button within the group dbx if they were going to make this radical change. Not to mention what this new grouping does to upgrading files. What a mess! I also believe it would be better to allow us the ability to place rages of measures similar to the print dbx when printing specific pages (1-10, 30-52) so I don't have to create unique groups for each occurrence. This would have definitely cut down on the number of groups if they really were interested in fewer groups. Not well thought-out. I'm not saying that the new change is bad, I think the concept is good but it's just not finished like so many other things in Finale (hairpins in linked parts don't move independently from the score, copying measure spacing adjustments to other measures in linked parts - unable to do, separate "Extra Space from measure attributes" in linked parts vs. score, the list goes on and on). Steve 2/15/12 2:30 PM, "Jari Williamsson" wrote: >... since Finale now do some > hidden stuff to keep the number of groups at a minimum at all times. > That's one reason why the hidden text is added.) > > > Best regards, > > Jari Williamsson > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Groups (Fin11+)
Jari, Your site says this plugin is for Finale 2012 and later. Is this info correct? J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Feb 15, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Jari Williamsson wrote: > On 2012-02-15 18:16, Robert Patterson wrote: >> Great. I don't see said plugin. Is it one of yours, or does it come with >> Finale? > > "JW Split Groups", available on the tips site. (Btw, it was not as > trivial as I first thought it was to write, since Finale now do some > hidden stuff to keep the number of groups at a minimum at all times. > That's one reason why the hidden text is added.) > > > Best regards, > > Jari Williamsson > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Groups (Fin11+)
On 2012-02-15 18:16, Robert Patterson wrote: > Great. I don't see said plugin. Is it one of yours, or does it come with > Finale? "JW Split Groups", available on the tips site. (Btw, it was not as trivial as I first thought it was to write, since Finale now do some hidden stuff to keep the number of groups at a minimum at all times. That's one reason why the hidden text is added.) Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Groups (Fin11+)
Great. I don't see said plugin. Is it one of yours, or does it come with Finale? On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Jari Williamsson < jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se> wrote: > On 2012-02-15 15:03, Robert Patterson wrote: > > Starting in Fin11, staff groups have measure ranges and no longer apply > to > > systems. On the whole I think this is a terrific improvement, but as far > as > > I can tell it seems the UI is still mired down in the system-oriented way > > of doing things. What I would like to be able to do is select a staff and > > split the group into two at that point, allowing me to edit it separately > > from that point forward. Does that exist in the UI? I haven't been able > to > > find it. All I can find is a technique for deleting and recreating the > > group over the range of a system. This doubly problematic: it's a lot of > > work to recreate the group, and it gives one less control over the > measure > > range than I'd like. > > > > It looks like a simple plugin could do it, but I don't want to replicate > > existing Finale functionality. > > There already is a plug-in to do it. > > > Best regards, > > Jari Williamsson > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Groups (Fin11+)
On 2012-02-15 15:03, Robert Patterson wrote: > Starting in Fin11, staff groups have measure ranges and no longer apply to > systems. On the whole I think this is a terrific improvement, but as far as > I can tell it seems the UI is still mired down in the system-oriented way > of doing things. What I would like to be able to do is select a staff and > split the group into two at that point, allowing me to edit it separately > from that point forward. Does that exist in the UI? I haven't been able to > find it. All I can find is a technique for deleting and recreating the > group over the range of a system. This doubly problematic: it's a lot of > work to recreate the group, and it gives one less control over the measure > range than I'd like. > > It looks like a simple plugin could do it, but I don't want to replicate > existing Finale functionality. There already is a plug-in to do it. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Staff Groups (Fin11+)
Starting in Fin11, staff groups have measure ranges and no longer apply to systems. On the whole I think this is a terrific improvement, but as far as I can tell it seems the UI is still mired down in the system-oriented way of doing things. What I would like to be able to do is select a staff and split the group into two at that point, allowing me to edit it separately from that point forward. Does that exist in the UI? I haven't been able to find it. All I can find is a technique for deleting and recreating the group over the range of a system. This doubly problematic: it's a lot of work to recreate the group, and it gives one less control over the measure range than I'd like. It looks like a simple plugin could do it, but I don't want to replicate existing Finale functionality. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Groups
On 22 Jan 2010 at 8:29, dc wrote: > David W. Fenton écrit: > >What am I doing wrong? > > First question is optimization. You should make your changes in your groups > BEFORE optimizing. Is that what you did? No, that was the problem -- I forgot the systems were optimized (without removing staves). This one always bites me. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Groups
On 21 Jan 2010 at 19:53, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: > David W. Fenton wrote: > > > I am still incredibly stupid when it comes to creating staff groups. > > > > I have a piece with two sopranos, and to save left margin space, I'm > > using "Sopranos" for the starting group name and "Sop." for the > > abbreviation, and then I and II for the staff names of the individual > > staves. > > > > The first staff is fine, but the succeeding staves lack any group > > name. > > If you have the same staves as part of two groups, are all groups set to > display group name? I figured it out by accident -- the 2nd and 3rd system on the first page were optimized so I could crowd the systems a bit. I now recall that you have to do this kind of thing unoptimized. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Groups
David W. Fenton wrote: I am still incredibly stupid when it comes to creating staff groups. I have a piece with two sopranos, and to save left margin space, I'm using "Sopranos" for the starting group name and "Sop." for the abbreviation, and then I and II for the staff names of the individual staves. The first staff is fine, but the succeeding staves lack any group name. If you have the same staves as part of two groups, are all groups set to display group name? I've tried creating a staff group in both scroll and page views, and it seems to make no difference. I've got orphan staff groups, in scroll view, there are two extra groups that aren't defined to display anything, and I see no way to get rid of them. If you can see the group handle for an orphan group, select the handle, and from the "staff" drop down menu, use the option "remove group". ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Groups
On 21 Jan 2010 at 20:33, David W. Fenton wrote: > I am still incredibly stupid when it comes to creating staff groups. > > I have a piece with two sopranos, and to save left margin space, I'm > using "Sopranos" for the starting group name and "Sop." for the > abbreviation, and then I and II for the staff names of the individual > staves. > > The first staff is fine, but the succeeding staves lack any group > name. > > What am I doing wrong? > > I've tried creating a staff group in both scroll and page views, and > it seems to make no difference. I've got orphan staff groups, in > scroll view, there are two extra groups that aren't defined to > display anything, and I see no way to get rid of them. > > (this is WinFin 2003, but I don't know that this kind of thing has > changed much since then) OK, I just noticed that the problem is only on page 1 -- all succeeding pages display the staff group abbreviation correctly. So, I've got two staves without it, the 2nd and 3rd ones on the first page. Ideas? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Staff Groups
I am still incredibly stupid when it comes to creating staff groups. I have a piece with two sopranos, and to save left margin space, I'm using "Sopranos" for the starting group name and "Sop." for the abbreviation, and then I and II for the staff names of the individual staves. The first staff is fine, but the succeeding staves lack any group name. What am I doing wrong? I've tried creating a staff group in both scroll and page views, and it seems to make no difference. I've got orphan staff groups, in scroll view, there are two extra groups that aren't defined to display anything, and I see no way to get rid of them. (this is WinFin 2003, but I don't know that this kind of thing has changed much since then) -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
