Re: [Finale] copying part layout to another linked part
Never tried that - no idea - a little afraid of experimenting with that. An explanation of that is probably in Tobias' documentation. On Mar 22, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Ryan wrote: > Big DUH on my part. I forgot to Update Layout (Command U). And, just like > most situations, I did that step IMMEDIATELY after writing the list! Thanks > for the response. > > Regarding this Plug-in: Does anyone know what is changed when you choose > "Miscellaneous Document Settings" under the Settings tab? > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: > >> Ryan, >> >> This works for me, though occasionally I have to click the paste twice, or >> go back and copy the layout from the originally chosen part another time. >> The only time I have trouble otherwise is when Finale loses its Automatic >> Update Layout preference (that does happen from time to time), and you have >> to reset that, or update the layout manually (Command U). Other than that, >> I have no helpful ideas. >> >> Chuck >> >> >> On Mar 22, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Ryan wrote: >> >>> Oh no! It worked once on one part, but it's not working when I try to >>> transfer it to a second part. Any idea what could be going on? I've >> double >>> checked that I've got the appropriate boxes checked, but nothing seems to >> be >>> changing when I click "paste." >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Chuck Israels >> wrote: >>> On Mar 21, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Ryan wrote: > Wow this is great. But can I still bill for the time it WOULD have >> taken me? > ha. Depends on whether or not you take the CEO's of Lehman Brothers as your model! > > On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: > >> Hi Ryan, >> >> There is a TG Tool to do this. Modify/Transfer Layout. Make sure >> Automatic Update Layout is turned on, or you will not see the layout change. >> Without this tool, linked parts can be more trouble than they are >> worth, >> and it seems to me that the tool ought to be included within Finale. >> I was >> struggling with this aspect of 2010, until Tobias caught up. >> >> Chuck >> >> >> On Mar 20, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Ryan wrote: >> >>> I thought there was a TG Tools plug in that allowed you to copy >> system >> sizes >>> and margins from one linked part to another. Am I remembering >> incorrectly? I >>> know about the Copy System Optimization, but that's within a part. I want >> to >>> do it to another linked part in the same file. >>> >>> Anyhow, big orchestra piece and basically all the horns play at the same >>> time, as do all the strings. I'd like to just set up the Horn 1 part, >> then >>> just copy all the measure layout and system margin info and paste it into >>> the Horn 2, Horn 3, and Horn 4 parts. Do the same with Violin 1, and copy >> to >>> the rest of the string section. >>> >>> Is such a shortcut possible? >>> >>> Ryan >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> Chuck Israels >> 230 North Garden Terrace >> Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 >> phone (360) 671-3402 >> fax (360) 676-6055 >> www.chuckisraels.com >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> Chuck Israels >> 230 North Garden Terrace >> Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 >> phone (360) 671-3402 >> fax (360) 676-6055 >> www.chuckisraels.com >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] copying part layout to another linked part
Big DUH on my part. I forgot to Update Layout (Command U). And, just like most situations, I did that step IMMEDIATELY after writing the list! Thanks for the response. Regarding this Plug-in: Does anyone know what is changed when you choose "Miscellaneous Document Settings" under the Settings tab? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: > Ryan, > > This works for me, though occasionally I have to click the paste twice, or > go back and copy the layout from the originally chosen part another time. > The only time I have trouble otherwise is when Finale loses its Automatic > Update Layout preference (that does happen from time to time), and you have > to reset that, or update the layout manually (Command U). Other than that, > I have no helpful ideas. > > Chuck > > > On Mar 22, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Ryan wrote: > > > Oh no! It worked once on one part, but it's not working when I try to > > transfer it to a second part. Any idea what could be going on? I've > double > > checked that I've got the appropriate boxes checked, but nothing seems to > be > > changing when I click "paste." > > > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Chuck Israels > wrote: > > > >> > >> On Mar 21, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Ryan wrote: > >> > >>> Wow this is great. But can I still bill for the time it WOULD have > taken > >> me? > >>> ha. > >> > >> Depends on whether or not you take the CEO's of Lehman Brothers as your > >> model! > >> > >> > >>> > >>> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Chuck Israels > >> wrote: > >>> > Hi Ryan, > > There is a TG Tool to do this. Modify/Transfer Layout. Make sure > Automatic Update Layout is turned on, or you will not see the layout > >> change. > Without this tool, linked parts can be more trouble than they are > worth, > and it seems to me that the tool ought to be included within Finale. > I > >> was > struggling with this aspect of 2010, until Tobias caught up. > > Chuck > > > On Mar 20, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Ryan wrote: > > > I thought there was a TG Tools plug in that allowed you to copy > system > sizes > > and margins from one linked part to another. Am I remembering > incorrectly? I > > know about the Copy System Optimization, but that's within a part. I > >> want > to > > do it to another linked part in the same file. > > > > Anyhow, big orchestra piece and basically all the horns play at the > >> same > > time, as do all the strings. I'd like to just set up the Horn 1 part, > then > > just copy all the measure layout and system margin info and paste it > >> into > > the Horn 2, Horn 3, and Horn 4 parts. Do the same with Violin 1, and > >> copy > to > > the rest of the string section. > > > > Is such a shortcut possible? > > > > Ryan > > ___ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > Chuck Israels > 230 North Garden Terrace > Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 > phone (360) 671-3402 > fax (360) 676-6055 > www.chuckisraels.com > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > >>> ___ > >>> Finale mailing list > >>> Finale@shsu.edu > >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >> > >> Chuck Israels > >> 230 North Garden Terrace > >> Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 > >> phone (360) 671-3402 > >> fax (360) 676-6055 > >> www.chuckisraels.com > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Finale mailing list > >> Finale@shsu.edu > >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >> > > ___ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > Chuck Israels > 230 North Garden Terrace > Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 > phone (360) 671-3402 > fax (360) 676-6055 > www.chuckisraels.com > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] copying part layout to another linked part
Ryan, This works for me, though occasionally I have to click the paste twice, or go back and copy the layout from the originally chosen part another time. The only time I have trouble otherwise is when Finale loses its Automatic Update Layout preference (that does happen from time to time), and you have to reset that, or update the layout manually (Command U). Other than that, I have no helpful ideas. Chuck On Mar 22, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Ryan wrote: > Oh no! It worked once on one part, but it's not working when I try to > transfer it to a second part. Any idea what could be going on? I've double > checked that I've got the appropriate boxes checked, but nothing seems to be > changing when I click "paste." > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: > >> >> On Mar 21, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Ryan wrote: >> >>> Wow this is great. But can I still bill for the time it WOULD have taken >> me? >>> ha. >> >> Depends on whether or not you take the CEO's of Lehman Brothers as your >> model! >> >> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Chuck Israels >> wrote: >>> Hi Ryan, There is a TG Tool to do this. Modify/Transfer Layout. Make sure Automatic Update Layout is turned on, or you will not see the layout >> change. Without this tool, linked parts can be more trouble than they are worth, and it seems to me that the tool ought to be included within Finale. I >> was struggling with this aspect of 2010, until Tobias caught up. Chuck On Mar 20, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Ryan wrote: > I thought there was a TG Tools plug in that allowed you to copy system sizes > and margins from one linked part to another. Am I remembering incorrectly? I > know about the Copy System Optimization, but that's within a part. I >> want to > do it to another linked part in the same file. > > Anyhow, big orchestra piece and basically all the horns play at the >> same > time, as do all the strings. I'd like to just set up the Horn 1 part, then > just copy all the measure layout and system margin info and paste it >> into > the Horn 2, Horn 3, and Horn 4 parts. Do the same with Violin 1, and >> copy to > the rest of the string section. > > Is such a shortcut possible? > > Ryan > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> Chuck Israels >> 230 North Garden Terrace >> Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 >> phone (360) 671-3402 >> fax (360) 676-6055 >> www.chuckisraels.com >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] copying part layout to another linked part
Oh no! It worked once on one part, but it's not working when I try to transfer it to a second part. Any idea what could be going on? I've double checked that I've got the appropriate boxes checked, but nothing seems to be changing when I click "paste." On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: > > On Mar 21, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Ryan wrote: > > > Wow this is great. But can I still bill for the time it WOULD have taken > me? > > ha. > > Depends on whether or not you take the CEO's of Lehman Brothers as your > model! > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Chuck Israels > wrote: > > > >> Hi Ryan, > >> > >> There is a TG Tool to do this. Modify/Transfer Layout. Make sure > >> Automatic Update Layout is turned on, or you will not see the layout > change. > >> Without this tool, linked parts can be more trouble than they are worth, > >> and it seems to me that the tool ought to be included within Finale. I > was > >> struggling with this aspect of 2010, until Tobias caught up. > >> > >> Chuck > >> > >> > >> On Mar 20, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Ryan wrote: > >> > >>> I thought there was a TG Tools plug in that allowed you to copy system > >> sizes > >>> and margins from one linked part to another. Am I remembering > >> incorrectly? I > >>> know about the Copy System Optimization, but that's within a part. I > want > >> to > >>> do it to another linked part in the same file. > >>> > >>> Anyhow, big orchestra piece and basically all the horns play at the > same > >>> time, as do all the strings. I'd like to just set up the Horn 1 part, > >> then > >>> just copy all the measure layout and system margin info and paste it > into > >>> the Horn 2, Horn 3, and Horn 4 parts. Do the same with Violin 1, and > copy > >> to > >>> the rest of the string section. > >>> > >>> Is such a shortcut possible? > >>> > >>> Ryan > >>> ___ > >>> Finale mailing list > >>> Finale@shsu.edu > >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >> > >> Chuck Israels > >> 230 North Garden Terrace > >> Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 > >> phone (360) 671-3402 > >> fax (360) 676-6055 > >> www.chuckisraels.com > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Finale mailing list > >> Finale@shsu.edu > >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >> > > ___ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > Chuck Israels > 230 North Garden Terrace > Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 > phone (360) 671-3402 > fax (360) 676-6055 > www.chuckisraels.com > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] copying part layout to another linked part
On Mar 21, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Ryan wrote: > Wow this is great. But can I still bill for the time it WOULD have taken me? > ha. Depends on whether or not you take the CEO's of Lehman Brothers as your model! > > On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: > >> Hi Ryan, >> >> There is a TG Tool to do this. Modify/Transfer Layout. Make sure >> Automatic Update Layout is turned on, or you will not see the layout change. >> Without this tool, linked parts can be more trouble than they are worth, >> and it seems to me that the tool ought to be included within Finale. I was >> struggling with this aspect of 2010, until Tobias caught up. >> >> Chuck >> >> >> On Mar 20, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Ryan wrote: >> >>> I thought there was a TG Tools plug in that allowed you to copy system >> sizes >>> and margins from one linked part to another. Am I remembering >> incorrectly? I >>> know about the Copy System Optimization, but that's within a part. I want >> to >>> do it to another linked part in the same file. >>> >>> Anyhow, big orchestra piece and basically all the horns play at the same >>> time, as do all the strings. I'd like to just set up the Horn 1 part, >> then >>> just copy all the measure layout and system margin info and paste it into >>> the Horn 2, Horn 3, and Horn 4 parts. Do the same with Violin 1, and copy >> to >>> the rest of the string section. >>> >>> Is such a shortcut possible? >>> >>> Ryan >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> Chuck Israels >> 230 North Garden Terrace >> Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 >> phone (360) 671-3402 >> fax (360) 676-6055 >> www.chuckisraels.com >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] copying part layout to another linked part
Wow this is great. But can I still bill for the time it WOULD have taken me? ha. On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: > Hi Ryan, > > There is a TG Tool to do this. Modify/Transfer Layout. Make sure > Automatic Update Layout is turned on, or you will not see the layout change. > Without this tool, linked parts can be more trouble than they are worth, > and it seems to me that the tool ought to be included within Finale. I was > struggling with this aspect of 2010, until Tobias caught up. > > Chuck > > > On Mar 20, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Ryan wrote: > > > I thought there was a TG Tools plug in that allowed you to copy system > sizes > > and margins from one linked part to another. Am I remembering > incorrectly? I > > know about the Copy System Optimization, but that's within a part. I want > to > > do it to another linked part in the same file. > > > > Anyhow, big orchestra piece and basically all the horns play at the same > > time, as do all the strings. I'd like to just set up the Horn 1 part, > then > > just copy all the measure layout and system margin info and paste it into > > the Horn 2, Horn 3, and Horn 4 parts. Do the same with Violin 1, and copy > to > > the rest of the string section. > > > > Is such a shortcut possible? > > > > Ryan > > ___ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > Chuck Israels > 230 North Garden Terrace > Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 > phone (360) 671-3402 > fax (360) 676-6055 > www.chuckisraels.com > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] copying part layout to another linked part
Hi Ryan, There is a TG Tool to do this. Modify/Transfer Layout. Make sure Automatic Update Layout is turned on, or you will not see the layout change. Without this tool, linked parts can be more trouble than they are worth, and it seems to me that the tool ought to be included within Finale. I was struggling with this aspect of 2010, until Tobias caught up. Chuck On Mar 20, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Ryan wrote: > I thought there was a TG Tools plug in that allowed you to copy system sizes > and margins from one linked part to another. Am I remembering incorrectly? I > know about the Copy System Optimization, but that's within a part. I want to > do it to another linked part in the same file. > > Anyhow, big orchestra piece and basically all the horns play at the same > time, as do all the strings. I'd like to just set up the Horn 1 part, then > just copy all the measure layout and system margin info and paste it into > the Horn 2, Horn 3, and Horn 4 parts. Do the same with Violin 1, and copy to > the rest of the string section. > > Is such a shortcut possible? > > Ryan > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] copying part layout to another linked part
On Sun Mar 21, at SundayMar 21 12:57 AM, Ryan wrote: I thought there was a TG Tools plug in that allowed you to copy system sizes and margins from one linked part to another. Am I remembering incorrectly? I know about the Copy System Optimization, but that's within a part. I want to do it to another linked part in the same file. Anyhow, big orchestra piece and basically all the horns play at the same time, as do all the strings. I'd like to just set up the Horn 1 part, then just copy all the measure layout and system margin info and paste it into the Horn 2, Horn 3, and Horn 4 parts. Do the same with Violin 1, and copy to the rest of the string section. Is such a shortcut possible? Ryan ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale For System Margins, they should be the same by default for every part. If you want to change them for every part (or only some parts) go to the Page Layout tool, Page Layout Menu>Systems>Edit Margins. A window opens called Change System Margins. Click on the system whose characteristics you want and all the info will appear in the window. Uncheck any boxes you DON'T want copied (sometimes I don't want Distance Between Systems), and choose the range of systems you want (typically I don't want the first system changed, so my range is 2 to [blank] so it copies things until the end. Now comes the cool part. You can apply it just to this part by clicking the Apply button, or to EVERY PART that you want by clicking the Apply to Parts/Score button and choosing what parts you want to apply it to. I suspect, however, that what you really want in this case is for the system breaks (locks) you put in Horn 1 to be copied to Horn 2, etc. This is in TG Tools (pro version) Modify>Transfer>Layout. You can also transfer system margins here, if these are different from system to system, but as I said, I suspect that you want these to be the same for EVERY system in a part, so I typically only check "Locked measure groups" in this window. The only warning is that after pasting the layout into Horn 2, you have to manually update layout to see the results. I often have to respace the music, too. DON'T be in the Staff Tool for this, because if you hit 4 (meaning to apply note spacing) while in the Staff Tool you end up applying Tenor Sax transposition Staff Style instead! This seems to happen to me at least once per large chart, so I check the parts now for correct transposition. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] copying part layout to another linked part
I thought there was a TG Tools plug in that allowed you to copy system sizes and margins from one linked part to another. Am I remembering incorrectly? I know about the Copy System Optimization, but that's within a part. I want to do it to another linked part in the same file. Anyhow, big orchestra piece and basically all the horns play at the same time, as do all the strings. I'd like to just set up the Horn 1 part, then just copy all the measure layout and system margin info and paste it into the Horn 2, Horn 3, and Horn 4 parts. Do the same with Violin 1, and copy to the rest of the string section. Is such a shortcut possible? Ryan ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
