[Finale] Document Styles
I have only just had a brief look at Fin2k9. I jumped from 2k7, so there are a few new things to learn. Is it true that Document Styles can only be applied to New Documents? Or is there a way to apply an existing style to an existing document? Otherwise I can't really see the point of it, all it really does is use different documents as Default Docs, no? I was hoping to get something like house styles in Sibelius. Oh well. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] document styles
there is really no way to apply a document style to an existing document, have i understood this correctly? you can only apply a doc style at the setup wizard stage? i am starting work on a piece in many many small sections and have considered having them as separate docs (several page sizes and score styles will be used throughout the work). was hoping to be able to set up a doc style and as i change / update it, have it update all the individual score files. no go, correct? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] document styles?
in order to change the default document styles the manual says to save the file in "Finale 2011/Music Files/Document Styles folder" this file does not exist on my Macpro OS10.6. What am I missing.? Mark McCarron ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Document Styles
Greetings… I think I know the answer to this question, but… FinMac 2012b.r1 running Mountain Lion 10.8.1 I'm working on a project putting an orchestral accompaniment around a pre-existing big band arrangement. One of the big band members created their parts and sent me the file, and I'm added the orchestra parts around it. His stuff is in the Handwritten Style and I usually do the orchestral parts in Engraved Style. So… Is it possible to mix those styles -- putting the band's stuff in the Handwritten Style they're used to and the orchestra's in the Engraved Style they're used to? I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is "no", but I figure just because I can't find a way to do it doesn't necessarily mean it can't be done… Any sage advice would be appreciated! Neal Gittleman ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Document Styles
On 22-Jan-09, at 22-Jan-09 11:48 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I have only just had a brief look at Fin2k9. I jumped from 2k7, so there are a few new things to learn. Is it true that Document Styles can only be applied to New Documents? Or is there a way to apply an existing style to an existing document? Otherwise I can't really see the point of it, all it really does is use different documents as Default Docs, no? I was hoping to get something like house styles in Sibelius. Oh well. Johannes Johannes, You are correct. You can use different docs as default docs. That's the only new thing. But you can save ONE library that has a whole crapload of settings and import it into an existing document. Some things won't change (like fonts of text blocks, characters in articulations, etc.) but it's a start. You can also copy the old document INTO a new document, thus using the settings of the new doc. I find this useful for preserving my metatool assignments, though I have to reformat the parts completely, and I still have to swap out articulations and expressions manually (WHY isn't this easier? I would LOVE to be able to select ALL of the old articulations, delete them with one keystroke, and when Finale tells me that this articulation is in use and would I like to replace it, IT ACTUALLY TELLS ME WHAT ARTICULATION IT IS! Sheesh! Would that be so hard to code?) Another new thing that simplifies my life immensely is replacing articulations in specific passages. If you select several articulations at once across several notes or staves, then double-tap the metatool key for the new articulation, they switch! Like I want to change the staccato to a tenuto, I select all the staccatos, hit E twice, and they are all magically tenutos now! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Document Styles
On 22.01.2009 Christopher Smith wrote: Another new thing that simplifies my life immensely is replacing articulations in specific passages. If you select several articulations at once across several notes or staves, then double-tap the metatool key for the new articulation, they switch! Like I want to change the staccato to a tenuto, I select all the staccatos, hit E twice, and they are all magically tenutos now! This is not that new, though, it is in Fin2k7. I even remember beta-testing it then. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Document Styles
On 22-Jan-09, at 22-Jan-09 12:26 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 22.01.2009 Christopher Smith wrote: Another new thing that simplifies my life immensely is replacing articulations in specific passages. If you select several articulations at once across several notes or staves, then double- tap the metatool key for the new articulation, they switch! Like I want to change the staccato to a tenuto, I select all the staccatos, hit E twice, and they are all magically tenutos now! This is not that new, though, it is in Fin2k7. I even remember beta- testing it then. I guess not. 8-( New to me, though! 8-) Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Document Styles
It's new to 2k9 for articulations --AF On Jan 22, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Johannes Gebauer > wrote: On 22.01.2009 Christopher Smith wrote: Another new thing that simplifies my life immensely is replacing articulations in specific passages. If you select several articulations at once across several notes or staves, then double- tap the metatool key for the new articulation, they switch! Like I want to change the staccato to a tenuto, I select all the staccatos, hit E twice, and they are all magically tenutos now! This is not that new, though, it is in Fin2k7. I even remember beta- testing it then. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Document Styles
On 22.01.2009 Allen Fisher wrote: It's new to 2k9 for articulations Funny that it works in 2k7. Seriously, that can't be. I have been using this for ages. Perhaps it is new for expressions? Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Document Styles
You're right. We did do it for both in 2k7. For some reason, I thought it was added to something in 2k9, but it wasn't. On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 22.01.2009 Allen Fisher wrote: It's new to 2k9 for articulations Funny that it works in 2k7. Seriously, that can't be. I have been using this for ages. Perhaps it is new for expressions? Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology al...@fisherartandtech.com i...@fisherartandtech.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] document styles
There ARE libraries of things that can be loaded, and Patterson's Copy utilities can copy a whole slew of other things. A combination of loading a library and then redefining pages could do what you are looking for. Christopher On Wed Jul 7, at WednesdayJul 7 1:03 PM, SN jef chippewa wrote: there is really no way to apply a document style to an existing document, have i understood this correctly? you can only apply a doc style at the setup wizard stage? i am starting work on a piece in many many small sections and have considered having them as separate docs (several page sizes and score styles will be used throughout the work). was hoping to be able to set up a doc style and as i change / update it, have it update all the individual score files. no go, correct? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] document styles
yeah, in the end i'm just going to try and keep them all in one doc ordered by page format. there are many advantages, like the expression categories etc.; and not having to export / import. pain in the arse to have to set the page size manually several times to print, but this will be easier to manage the notational issues perhaps. There ARE libraries of things that can be loaded, and Patterson's Copy utilities can copy a whole slew of other things. A combination of loading a library and then redefining pages could do what you are looking for. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] document styles?
go to: (Main) Library / Application Support / MakeMusic / Finale 2011 / Music Files / Document Styles That should to it! Michael mmathew_musicp...@comcast.net mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl http://oregonmts.com/mathew/ Phone and Fax: 503 641 6127 - Original Message - From: "Mark McCarron" To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 1:04:07 PM Subject: [Finale] document styles? in order to change the default document styles the manual says to save the file in "Finale 2011/Music Files/Document Styles folder" this file does not exist on my Macpro OS10.6. What am I missing.? Mark McCarron ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] document styles?
The folder's default location has moved. Search your HD for "Finale 2011" and you'll find it. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 24 Jul 2010, at 4:04 PM, Mark McCarron wrote: > > > in order to change the default document styles the manual says to save the > file in > > "Finale 2011/Music Files/Document Styles folder" > > this file does not exist on my Macpro OS10.6. > > What am I missing.? > > Mark McCarron > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] document styles?
Your problem appears to be similar to an oddity in my installations of FM2011 on my 2 OS10.6.4 Macs. Only the very application Finale 2011 goes to the applications’s folder. The Finale 2011 folder sits in a Library folder in what is called klaussmedgaardbjerre’s personal computer, where it cannot be searched by Finder’s search function. FM2011 works for me but for the fact that I cannot create new documents with the set-up wizard. My work-around is working from a template, which I can expand by means of the set-up wizard. As I see it this is bug in FM2011. Klaus --- On Sat, 7/24/10, Mark McCarron wrote: > From: Mark McCarron > Subject: [Finale] document styles? > To: finale@shsu.edu > Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 10:04 PM > > > in order to change the default document styles the manual > says to save the file in > > "Finale 2011/Music Files/Document Styles folder" > > this file does not exist on my Macpro OS10.6. > > What am I missing.? > > Mark McCarron > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] document styles?
This is a recognised bug in Finale 2011. The configuration files have a new location in Finale 2011. Finale should copy all the necessary files to ~user/Library/Application Support/MakeMusic/Finale 2011/ but in some cases this doesn't work correctly. To make things worse, there are several pages in the manual that still give the old location (I've alerted MakeMusic about this). The solution is to be found here: http://makemusic.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4085/ Download the "copyFinale2011files.tool" from the link on that page and run it. All the best, Michael On 24 Jul 2010, at 22:55, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre wrote: > Your problem appears to be similar to an oddity in my installations of FM2011 > on my 2 OS10.6.4 Macs. > > Only the very application Finale 2011 goes to the applications’s folder. > > The Finale 2011 folder sits in a Library folder in what is called > klaussmedgaardbjerre’s personal computer, where it cannot be searched by > Finder’s search function. > > FM2011 works for me but for the fact that I cannot create new documents with > the set-up wizard. My work-around is working from a template, which I can > expand by means of the set-up wizard. > > As I see it this is bug in FM2011. > > Klaus > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] document styles?
thanks this fixed it. Mark McCarron --- On Sun, 7/25/10, Florence + Michael wrote: > From: Florence + Michael > Subject: Re: [Finale] document styles? > To: finale@shsu.edu > Date: Sunday, July 25, 2010, 3:35 AM > This is a recognised bug in Finale > 2011. The configuration files have a new location in Finale > 2011. Finale should copy all the necessary files to > ~user/Library/Application Support/MakeMusic/Finale 2011/ but > in some cases this doesn't work correctly. To make things > worse, there are several pages in the manual that still give > the old location (I've alerted MakeMusic about this). > > The solution is to be found here: > > http://makemusic.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4085/ > > Download the "copyFinale2011files.tool" from the link on > that page and run it. > > All the best, > Michael > > > On 24 Jul 2010, at 22:55, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre wrote: > > > Your problem appears to be similar to an oddity in my > installations of FM2011 on my 2 OS10.6.4 Macs. > > > > Only the very application Finale 2011 goes to the > applications’s folder. > > > > The Finale 2011 folder sits in a Library folder in > what is called klaussmedgaardbjerre’s personal computer, > where it cannot be searched by Finder’s search function. > > > > FM2011 works for me but for the fact that I cannot > create new documents with the set-up wizard. My work-around > is working from a template, which I can expand by means of > the set-up wizard. > > > > As I see it this is bug in FM2011. > > > > Klaus > > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] document styles?
I was unaware of the script and am also grateful for the information! Michael mmathew_musicp...@comcast.net mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl http://oregonmts.com/mathew/ Phone and Fax: 503 641 6127 - Original Message - From: "Mark McCarron" To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 9:19:05 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] document styles? thanks this fixed it. Mark McCarron --- On Sun, 7/25/10, Florence + Michael wrote: > From: Florence + Michael > Subject: Re: [Finale] document styles? > To: finale@shsu.edu > Date: Sunday, July 25, 2010, 3:35 AM > This is a recognised bug in Finale > 2011. The configuration files have a new location in Finale > 2011. Finale should copy all the necessary files to > ~user/Library/Application Support/MakeMusic/Finale 2011/ but > in some cases this doesn't work correctly. To make things > worse, there are several pages in the manual that still give > the old location (I've alerted MakeMusic about this). > > The solution is to be found here: > > http://makemusic.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4085/ > > Download the "copyFinale2011files.tool" from the link on > that page and run it. > > All the best, > Michael > > > On 24 Jul 2010, at 22:55, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre wrote: > > > Your problem appears to be similar to an oddity in my > installations of FM2011 on my 2 OS10.6.4 Macs. > > > > Only the very application Finale 2011 goes to the > applications’s folder. > > > > The Finale 2011 folder sits in a Library folder in > what is called klaussmedgaardbjerre’s personal computer, > where it cannot be searched by Finder’s search function. > > > > FM2011 works for me but for the fact that I cannot > create new documents with the set-up wizard. My work-around > is working from a template, which I can expand by means of > the set-up wizard. > > > > As I see it this is bug in FM2011. > > > > Klaus > > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Document Styles
Yes, it's possible, but I can tell you I sure wouldn't want to do it! You can set staves to have an independent notehead font, you can import another set of articulations (and re-assign all the metatools for them), you can set different regions for bar numbers, you can set different staff lists for different rehearsal letters, you might have to hide time and key sigs and then add them in as expressions, oy, the list goes on! What might be a better idea is for you to do the score in the Handwritten Style, then copy everything to a new Engraved Style document to create the parts. Many things will change automatically (key and time sigs, noteheads, measure numbers, etc.) and you can convert any expressions to the engraved style fonts using the Font Utilities. YOu might have some surgery to do on Smart Shapes as well. Only the conductor will see the score as all handwritten, while the orchestra musicians would get the parts from the new file. Christopher On Mon Sep 17, at MondaySep 17 9:22 PM, Neal Gittleman wrote: > Greetings… > > I think I know the answer to this question, but… > > FinMac 2012b.r1 running Mountain Lion 10.8.1 > > I'm working on a project putting an orchestral accompaniment around a > pre-existing big band arrangement. One of the big band members created their > parts and sent me the file, and I'm added the orchestra parts around it. His > stuff is in the Handwritten Style and I usually do the orchestral parts in > Engraved Style. > > So… > > Is it possible to mix those styles -- putting the band's stuff in the > Handwritten Style they're used to and the orchestra's in the Engraved Style > they're used to? I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is "no", but I figure > just because I can't find a way to do it doesn't necessarily mean it can't be > done… > > Any sage advice would be appreciated! > > Neal Gittleman > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Document Styles
Thanks, Christopher… That's what I thought/feared. Let's just say that the musicians of the orchestra will branch out and get accustomed to reading parts in a new style!!! Neal Gitleman On Sep 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: > Yes, it's possible, but I can tell you I sure wouldn't want to do it! > > You can set staves to have an independent notehead font, you can import > another set of articulations (and re-assign all the metatools for them), you > can set different regions for bar numbers, you can set different staff lists > for different rehearsal letters, you might have to hide time and key sigs and > then add them in as expressions, oy, the list goes on! > > What might be a better idea is for you to do the score in the Handwritten > Style, then copy everything to a new Engraved Style document to create the > parts. Many things will change automatically (key and time sigs, noteheads, > measure numbers, etc.) and you can convert any expressions to the engraved > style fonts using the Font Utilities. YOu might have some surgery to do on > Smart Shapes as well. > > Only the conductor will see the score as all handwritten, while the orchestra > musicians would get the parts from the new file. > > Christopher > > > On Mon Sep 17, at MondaySep 17 9:22 PM, Neal Gittleman wrote: > >> Greetings… >> >> I think I know the answer to this question, but… >> >> FinMac 2012b.r1 running Mountain Lion 10.8.1 >> >> I'm working on a project putting an orchestral accompaniment around a >> pre-existing big band arrangement. One of the big band members created >> their parts and sent me the file, and I'm added the orchestra parts around >> it. His stuff is in the Handwritten Style and I usually do the orchestral >> parts in Engraved Style. >> >> So… >> >> Is it possible to mix those styles -- putting the band's stuff in the >> Handwritten Style they're used to and the orchestra's in the Engraved Style >> they're used to? I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is "no", but I >> figure just because I can't find a way to do it doesn't necessarily mean it >> can't be done… >> >> Any sage advice would be appreciated! >> >> Neal Gittleman >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Document styles vs. templates
I'm trying to assess the relative merits of using document styles for starting new projects in Fin2012b as opposed to templates. I used the Setup Wizard to create a new orchestral score (also a customized Ensemble), imported all my settings, artics, expressions, etc., then painstakingly edited all the staff and group names and positions as I prefer and saved the whole thing as a new document style. But if I try to create a new score using this document style and the setup wizard, all the staff and group editing is gone. Of course, if I create the new score directly from a template, all the staff and group changes are there. It seems to me that going the template route will save a lot more time, even if I have to add or remove some instruments and redo the scaling. Am I missing something with document styles? -Lee Lee Actor Composer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto Philharmonic http://www.leeactor.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Document styles vs. templates
I'm trying to assess the relative merits of using document styles for starting new projects in Fin2012b as opposed to templates. I used the Setup Wizard to create a new orchestral score (also a customized Ensemble), imported all my settings, artics, expressions, etc., then painstakingly edited all the staff and group names and positions as I prefer and saved the whole thing as a new document style. But if I try to create a new score using this document style and the setup wizard, all the staff and group editing is gone. Of course, if I create the new score directly from a template, all the staff and group changes are there. It seems to me that going the template route will save a lot more time, even if I have to add or remove some instruments and redo the scaling. Am I missing something with document styles? -Lee Lee Actor Composer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto Philharmonic http://www.leeactor.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
