Re: [Finale] printing advice

[Anne Erickson]

Inkjet output is fine as long as it never comes in contact with water

> On Apr 29, 2018, at 11:37 AM, timothy price  wrote:
> 
> This printer maxes out at 8.5 x 14 in   just so people are aware... what 
> composer would want it?
> 
> tim
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 4:45 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
>> 
>> Ugh, why not just buy a new printer
>> 
>> https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-laserjet-pro-m203dw-printer
>> 
>> 1200 dpi and can be bought for $120 or so. Probably would save on 
>> electricity bills compared to that tank 5000 printer
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Re: [Finale] printing advice

[timothy price]

This printer maxes out at 8.5 x 14 in   just so people are aware... what 
composer would want it?

tim


  
On Apr 29, 2018, at 4:45 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

> Ugh, why not just buy a new printer
> 
> https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-laserjet-pro-m203dw-printer
> 
> 1200 dpi and can be bought for $120 or so. Probably would save on electricity 
> bills compared to that tank 5000 printer

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Re: [Finale] printing advice

[Robert Patterson]

Yes, if you only need to go up to 11x17, you have lots of options. The
printers I looked at had to go to 12x18 and 13x20 would have been beter.

On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM, David H. Bailey 
wrote:

> On 4/29/2018 8:20 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:
>
>> If you are offset-printing books, 600dpi is probably not good enough. But
>> I
>> never print books. Any printer that would offset books from my work almost
>> certainly would do it from a PDF. FWIW: the only situation I can spot the
>> difference is on hairpins.
>>
>> I did not consider ink jet printers. They are far too slow. There is a
>> Brother inkjet that will actually feed 13" wide sheets, but each page
>> takes
>> several minutes.
>>
>>
> My Epson WorkForce WF-7620 doesn't take that long.  It's an inkjet printer
> which printes beautiful output, it can handle 11x17 paper with no problems,
> it duplexes automatically, it scans up to tabloid size. And it's only
> around $200 if you're lucky enough to find it on sale at Staples or Office
> Depot.  I've been using mine for 3 years now and it's great.  Advances in
> ink technology have helped a lot -- once dry the ink won't run if a few
> water drops get on it and get wiped off.
>
>
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Re: [Finale] printing advice

[David H. Bailey]

On 4/29/2018 8:20 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:

If you are offset-printing books, 600dpi is probably not good enough. But I
never print books. Any printer that would offset books from my work almost
certainly would do it from a PDF. FWIW: the only situation I can spot the
difference is on hairpins.

I did not consider ink jet printers. They are far too slow. There is a
Brother inkjet that will actually feed 13" wide sheets, but each page takes
several minutes.



My Epson WorkForce WF-7620 doesn't take that long.  It's an inkjet 
printer which printes beautiful output, it can handle 11x17 paper with 
no problems, it duplexes automatically, it scans up to tabloid size. 
And it's only around $200 if you're lucky enough to find it on sale at 
Staples or Office Depot.  I've been using mine for 3 years now and it's 
great.  Advances in ink technology have helped a lot -- once dry the ink 
won't run if a few water drops get on it and get wiped off.



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Re: [Finale] printing advice

[Robert Patterson]

If you are offset-printing books, 600dpi is probably not good enough. But I
never print books. Any printer that would offset books from my work almost
certainly would do it from a PDF. FWIW: the only situation I can spot the
difference is on hairpins.

I did not consider ink jet printers. They are far too slow. There is a
Brother inkjet that will actually feed 13" wide sheets, but each page takes
several minutes.


On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 3:45 AM, Eric Dannewitz 
wrote:

> Ugh, why not just buy a new printer
>
> https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-laserjet-pro-m203dw-printer
>
> 1200 dpi and can be bought for $120 or so. Probably would save on
> electricity bills compared to that tank 5000 printer
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Apr 28, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Williams, Jim <
> jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Isn’t the 5000 a 1200 dpi printer? I bought two of them for $25, mixed &
> matched parts, replaced one separator pad and got a workhorse. I could
> swear it’s 1200 dpi...
> > Does anyone have trouble with the duplexer jamming? If so, is there a
> good fix?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
> >
> >> On Apr 28, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Chuck Israels 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> And I forgot another thing: there is a way (in the menus on the printer
> settings) to have the printer print a page that has its IP address (it
> sometimes randomly generates a new one). Don’t remember where that is, but
> there is printer setting that prints out a page with "Printer
> Information”.  I keep a copy of the IP address it prints out taped to the
> side of the printer so I can tell the Mac where it is, if it doesn’t find
> it automatically.
> >>
> >> Every time something like this happens and I think I need a new
> printer, a cure turns up and the HP 5000N soldiers on.
> >>
> >> For B large format — others have recommended a Ricoh model, but I am
> still using the HP.
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:57 AM, Robert Patterson <
> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I think Chuck's suggestion of dropping and re-adding the printer is the
> >>> right first step. It looks like HP has stopped supporting the 5000. If
> >>> dropping and re-adding it doesn't work (as Chuck suggested), I have
> some
> >>> further suggestions.
> >>>
> >>> 1) Download the appropriate driver from the hp website and reinstall
> it. It
> >>> looks like your driver may not have been updated since macOS 10.6. But
> it
> >>> still might work.
> >>>
> >>> 2) Create a virtual machine of a lower macOS version and print from
> there.
> >>> I did this for years with my previous large-format printer, which
> ceased to
> >>> function correctly starting with Mavericks. Considering my usage
> patterns,
> >>> for me it was not a noticeable hardship to start up the virtual for a
> print
> >>> job.
> >>>
> >>> 3) If you are in the mood for a new printer, I just bought a HP Color
> >>> Laserjet CP5225 that I am very happy with. With the manual feeder I
> can go
> >>> as large as 12.5"x18.5". (The tray goes up to 11x17.) It is not
> super-fast,
> >>> but the results are so much better than my previous printer which had
> been
> >>> slowly dying for a number of years. (And it isn't any slower than that
> one
> >>> was.) Plus it does color! It's not great for photo printing, but for
> adding
> >>> color accents to a document it is perfect. It is larger and heavier
> than I
> >>> would like. If I live long enough to replace it, I probably won't try
> to
> >>> move it again by myself. It really needs two people to lift it safely.
> >>>
> >>> Final note: if you order a CP5225, make sure you get the one that has
> an
> >>> automatic duplexer. You have to manually duplex oversize (larger than
> >>> 11x17) sheets, but it is very handy for 11x17 and smaller, and it adds
> >>> almost no additional cost.
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 8:25 AM, dfr...@smcm.edu 
> wrote:
> 
>  Hello all,
>  I’ve been using an HP5000 printer for a very long time. It still works
>  great. I installed a card that allowed it to print via ethernet (so,
> in
>  essence, it is a HP5000N). It is a 600dpi, large-format, laser
> printer.
> 
>  I use a MacBook, running Sierra (not High Sierra). Suddenly, with the
> last
>  system upgrade from Apple (to 10.12.6), the printer is no longer
> found.
> 
>  Is anyone on the list using a setup similar to mine, who experienced
> the
>  same problem and has a solution?
> 
>  Or, perhaps, could someone make recommendations for a reliable printer
>  that can print up to 12x18?
> 
>  Hoping for help!
> 
>  David Froom
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Re: [Finale] printing advice

[Eric Dannewitz]

Ugh, why not just buy a new printer

https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-laserjet-pro-m203dw-printer

1200 dpi and can be bought for $120 or so. Probably would save on electricity 
bills compared to that tank 5000 printer

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 28, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Williams, Jim  
> wrote:
> 
> Isn’t the 5000 a 1200 dpi printer? I bought two of them for $25, mixed & 
> matched parts, replaced one separator pad and got a workhorse. I could swear 
> it’s 1200 dpi...
> Does anyone have trouble with the duplexer jamming? If so, is there a good 
> fix? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
>> 
>> And I forgot another thing: there is a way (in the menus on the printer 
>> settings) to have the printer print a page that has its IP address (it 
>> sometimes randomly generates a new one). Don’t remember where that is, but 
>> there is printer setting that prints out a page with "Printer Information”.  
>> I keep a copy of the IP address it prints out taped to the side of the 
>> printer so I can tell the Mac where it is, if it doesn’t find it 
>> automatically.
>> 
>> Every time something like this happens and I think I need a new printer, a 
>> cure turns up and the HP 5000N soldiers on.
>> 
>> For B large format — others have recommended a Ricoh model, but I am still 
>> using the HP.
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:57 AM, Robert Patterson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think Chuck's suggestion of dropping and re-adding the printer is the
>>> right first step. It looks like HP has stopped supporting the 5000. If
>>> dropping and re-adding it doesn't work (as Chuck suggested), I have some
>>> further suggestions.
>>> 
>>> 1) Download the appropriate driver from the hp website and reinstall it. It
>>> looks like your driver may not have been updated since macOS 10.6. But it
>>> still might work.
>>> 
>>> 2) Create a virtual machine of a lower macOS version and print from there.
>>> I did this for years with my previous large-format printer, which ceased to
>>> function correctly starting with Mavericks. Considering my usage patterns,
>>> for me it was not a noticeable hardship to start up the virtual for a print
>>> job.
>>> 
>>> 3) If you are in the mood for a new printer, I just bought a HP Color
>>> Laserjet CP5225 that I am very happy with. With the manual feeder I can go
>>> as large as 12.5"x18.5". (The tray goes up to 11x17.) It is not super-fast,
>>> but the results are so much better than my previous printer which had been
>>> slowly dying for a number of years. (And it isn't any slower than that one
>>> was.) Plus it does color! It's not great for photo printing, but for adding
>>> color accents to a document it is perfect. It is larger and heavier than I
>>> would like. If I live long enough to replace it, I probably won't try to
>>> move it again by myself. It really needs two people to lift it safely.
>>> 
>>> Final note: if you order a CP5225, make sure you get the one that has an
>>> automatic duplexer. You have to manually duplex oversize (larger than
>>> 11x17) sheets, but it is very handy for 11x17 and smaller, and it adds
>>> almost no additional cost.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 8:25 AM, dfr...@smcm.edu  wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 I’ve been using an HP5000 printer for a very long time. It still works
 great. I installed a card that allowed it to print via ethernet (so, in
 essence, it is a HP5000N). It is a 600dpi, large-format, laser printer.
 
 I use a MacBook, running Sierra (not High Sierra). Suddenly, with the last
 system upgrade from Apple (to 10.12.6), the printer is no longer found.
 
 Is anyone on the list using a setup similar to mine, who experienced the
 same problem and has a solution?
 
 Or, perhaps, could someone make recommendations for a reliable printer
 that can print up to 12x18?
 
 Hoping for help!
 
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>> Portland OR 97202
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Finale] printing advice

[Lee Actor]

The HP 5000 is indeed 1200 dpi.  I don't consider 600 dpi good enough for 
publishable-quality music -- e.g., aliasing (stairstepping) is visible on 
angled beams and cresc./decresc.

I had a lot of problems with jamming when I had a duplexer for my HP 5000 
(ultimately I returned it).  I bought a refurbished unit in 2004, and it 
wouldn't duplex 11x17 at all.  You may remember Andrew Stiller, who was a 
frequent contributor to the Finale mailing list before he passed away; he had a 
lot of experience with the HP 5000 duplexer and advised cleaning the rollers 
with alcohol, which did help.  According to Andrew -- I think he had gone 
through 2 duplexers at that point -- the duplexer works fine when new, but 
deteriorates significantly over time, until after a couple of years of heavy 
use it won't work at all (even cleaning the rollers didn't help at that point). 
 Since a new unit was unavailable even in 2004, I chalked it up to a flawed 
design and went back to manual duplexing.

I hope HP has learned to make more reliable duplexers over the years.  The one 
in my HP M712DN does seem much more "industrial strength" than the HP 5000 
duplexer, and I've been using it for more than 2 years without a single jam.  
I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

-Lee

-Original Message-
From: Finale [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Williams, Jim
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 7:53 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] printing advice

Isn’t the 5000 a 1200 dpi printer? I bought two of them for $25, mixed & 
matched parts, replaced one separator pad and got a workhorse. I could swear 
it’s 1200 dpi...
Does anyone have trouble with the duplexer jamming? If so, is there a good fix? 

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

> On Apr 28, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Chuck Israels <cisra...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> And I forgot another thing: there is a way (in the menus on the printer 
> settings) to have the printer print a page that has its IP address (it 
> sometimes randomly generates a new one). Don’t remember where that is, but 
> there is printer setting that prints out a page with "Printer Information”.  
> I keep a copy of the IP address it prints out taped to the side of the 
> printer so I can tell the Mac where it is, if it doesn’t find it 
> automatically.
> 
> Every time something like this happens and I think I need a new printer, a 
> cure turns up and the HP 5000N soldiers on.
> 
> For B large format — others have recommended a Ricoh model, but I am still 
> using the HP.
> 
> Chuck
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:57 AM, Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I think Chuck's suggestion of dropping and re-adding the printer is the
>> right first step. It looks like HP has stopped supporting the 5000. If
>> dropping and re-adding it doesn't work (as Chuck suggested), I have some
>> further suggestions.
>> 
>> 1) Download the appropriate driver from the hp website and reinstall it. It
>> looks like your driver may not have been updated since macOS 10.6. But it
>> still might work.
>> 
>> 2) Create a virtual machine of a lower macOS version and print from there.
>> I did this for years with my previous large-format printer, which ceased to
>> function correctly starting with Mavericks. Considering my usage patterns,
>> for me it was not a noticeable hardship to start up the virtual for a print
>> job.
>> 
>> 3) If you are in the mood for a new printer, I just bought a HP Color
>> Laserjet CP5225 that I am very happy with. With the manual feeder I can go
>> as large as 12.5"x18.5". (The tray goes up to 11x17.) It is not super-fast,
>> but the results are so much better than my previous printer which had been
>> slowly dying for a number of years. (And it isn't any slower than that one
>> was.) Plus it does color! It's not great for photo printing, but for adding
>> color accents to a document it is perfect. It is larger and heavier than I
>> would like. If I live long enough to replace it, I probably won't try to
>> move it again by myself. It really needs two people to lift it safely.
>> 
>> Final note: if you order a CP5225, make sure you get the one that has an
>> automatic duplexer. You have to manually duplex oversize (larger than
>> 11x17) sheets, but it is very handy for 11x17 and smaller, and it adds
>> almost no additional cost.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 8:25 AM, dfr...@smcm.edu <dfr...@smcm.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> I’ve been using an HP5000 printer for a very long time. It still works
>>> great. I installed a card that allowed it to print via ethernet (so, in
>>> essence, it 

Re: [Finale] printing advice

[Williams, Jim]

Isn’t the 5000 a 1200 dpi printer? I bought two of them for $25, mixed & 
matched parts, replaced one separator pad and got a workhorse. I could swear 
it’s 1200 dpi...
Does anyone have trouble with the duplexer jamming? If so, is there a good fix? 

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

> On Apr 28, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> 
> And I forgot another thing: there is a way (in the menus on the printer 
> settings) to have the printer print a page that has its IP address (it 
> sometimes randomly generates a new one). Don’t remember where that is, but 
> there is printer setting that prints out a page with "Printer Information”.  
> I keep a copy of the IP address it prints out taped to the side of the 
> printer so I can tell the Mac where it is, if it doesn’t find it 
> automatically.
> 
> Every time something like this happens and I think I need a new printer, a 
> cure turns up and the HP 5000N soldiers on.
> 
> For B large format — others have recommended a Ricoh model, but I am still 
> using the HP.
> 
> Chuck
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:57 AM, Robert Patterson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I think Chuck's suggestion of dropping and re-adding the printer is the
>> right first step. It looks like HP has stopped supporting the 5000. If
>> dropping and re-adding it doesn't work (as Chuck suggested), I have some
>> further suggestions.
>> 
>> 1) Download the appropriate driver from the hp website and reinstall it. It
>> looks like your driver may not have been updated since macOS 10.6. But it
>> still might work.
>> 
>> 2) Create a virtual machine of a lower macOS version and print from there.
>> I did this for years with my previous large-format printer, which ceased to
>> function correctly starting with Mavericks. Considering my usage patterns,
>> for me it was not a noticeable hardship to start up the virtual for a print
>> job.
>> 
>> 3) If you are in the mood for a new printer, I just bought a HP Color
>> Laserjet CP5225 that I am very happy with. With the manual feeder I can go
>> as large as 12.5"x18.5". (The tray goes up to 11x17.) It is not super-fast,
>> but the results are so much better than my previous printer which had been
>> slowly dying for a number of years. (And it isn't any slower than that one
>> was.) Plus it does color! It's not great for photo printing, but for adding
>> color accents to a document it is perfect. It is larger and heavier than I
>> would like. If I live long enough to replace it, I probably won't try to
>> move it again by myself. It really needs two people to lift it safely.
>> 
>> Final note: if you order a CP5225, make sure you get the one that has an
>> automatic duplexer. You have to manually duplex oversize (larger than
>> 11x17) sheets, but it is very handy for 11x17 and smaller, and it adds
>> almost no additional cost.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 8:25 AM, dfr...@smcm.edu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> I’ve been using an HP5000 printer for a very long time. It still works
>>> great. I installed a card that allowed it to print via ethernet (so, in
>>> essence, it is a HP5000N). It is a 600dpi, large-format, laser printer.
>>> 
>>> I use a MacBook, running Sierra (not High Sierra). Suddenly, with the last
>>> system upgrade from Apple (to 10.12.6), the printer is no longer found.
>>> 
>>> Is anyone on the list using a setup similar to mine, who experienced the
>>> same problem and has a solution?
>>> 
>>> Or, perhaps, could someone make recommendations for a reliable printer
>>> that can print up to 12x18?
>>> 
>>> Hoping for help!
>>> 
>>> David Froom
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> 
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> Portland OR 97202
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Finale] printing advice

[Robert Patterson]

When I decided on the CP5225 I also looked at one of the large monochrome
laser printer. (It was HP M-something, probably essentially the same as
Lee's.) I ultimately chose the CP5225 because

1) the CP5225 was about $1000 cheaper
2) the CP5225 does color, which has uses for me outside music
3) HP may be discontinuing those big monochrome lasers. The one I found
seemed like it was left-over inventory.
4) The HP M is significantly larger and heavier. I would have had trouble
fitting it where it has to go, even with a helper. This was probably the
deciding factor for me.

What I gave up was
1) 1200dpi. (The CP5225 only does 600.)
2) A tray with 12x18 capacity. (But I can still hand-feed 12x18.)

So far I am quite pleased with the performance. I also find the duplexer to
be completely reliable. My previous printer was 1200dpi and could feed up
to 13x20. It was dissatisfying to give those up, but I'm still very happy
with the results I am getting.


On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 6:44 PM, Lee Actor <l...@leeactor.com> wrote:

> I've had an HP5000 since 2001 and have printed much music with it.  Years
> ago I tried the duplexer for it, but found it to be unreliable, at least
> with the heavyweight paper I use.
>
> I kept my eye on the large format laser printer market for a long time,
> and 2+ years ago finally bit the bullet and bought a HP M712DN (1200dpi) at
> a huge discount.  This machine has been an absolute dream.  The duplexer is
> 100% reliable; I have never had a paper jam or misfeed the entire time I've
> owned it.  I use it exclusively to print music, and keep heavyweight letter
> and 11x17 paper in its two paper trays.  It's 4-5x faster than the LJ5000,
> and has saved me innumerable hours printing orchestral parts and scores.
> With the HP5000 I had to manually feed the flip side of duplexed pages to
> avoid paper jams, requiring my constant attention throughout a large print
> job; but with the M712DN I can send it as many print jobs as needed and
> immediately get back to what I was doing, letting the printer churn away
> until it's done.  There's still the folding/stapling/trimming/binding
> etc. to produce finished sheet music, but my time involved with the actual
> printing has been reduced by as much as 95%.
>
> The main downside to the M712DN is that it is quite large, and weighs 85
> lbs.; definitely a 2-person job to pick it up and move it around.  But it's
> the biggest productivity enhancement I've encountered since engraving
> software.
>
> -Lee
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Finale [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of dfr...@smcm.edu
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 11:56 AM
> To: <finale@shsu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Finale] printing advice
>
> Dear Chuck and Robert,
>
> Thank you! All I needed to do was to ask the printer preferences to find
> and add the HP5000 printer again (IP address from the printer’s info page).
> I should have figured this out on my own. For some reason, this was vastly
> easier than the initial time I was forced to print over IP (at the point
> when appletalk disappeared from macs). And that first IP connection has
> survived through at least 3 machine and many system upgrades.
>
> What a great machine! Still going after all these years. 1200 dpi, or 600
> dpi at super speed, long-lasting printer cartridges (shockingly, still
> available as OEM). Granted, I don’t use it very heavily, but still, it is,
> by far, the oldest technology in my house. 25 years old sounds about right.
>
> David
>
> Chuck Israels wrote:
> > Dear David,
> >
> > This is exactly the setup I have (iMac - not Macbook) ? the printer must
> be 25 years old!
> >
> > In my case, this has happened and removing the printer and adding it
> again in the System Preferences/printer setup has solved the problem. I
> think the Mac loses th IP address and sometimes generates another new one.
> I don?t think it has to do with the particular OS you are using.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >> On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:25 AM, dfr...@smcm.edu wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello all,
> >> I?ve been using an HP5000 printer for a very long time. It still works
> great. I installed a card that allowed it to print via ethernet (so, in
> essence, it is a HP5000N). It is a 600dpi, large-format, laser printer.
> >>
> >> I use a MacBook, running Sierra (not High Sierra). Suddenly, with the
> last system upgrade from Apple (to 10.12.6), the printer is no longer found.
> >>
> >> Is anyone on the list using a setup similar to mine, who experienced
> the same problem and has a solution?
> >>
> >> Or, perhaps, could someone make recommendations for a reliable printer
> that can 

Re: [Finale] printing advice

[Lee Actor]

I've had an HP5000 since 2001 and have printed much music with it.  Years ago I 
tried the duplexer for it, but found it to be unreliable, at least with the 
heavyweight paper I use.

I kept my eye on the large format laser printer market for a long time, and 2+ 
years ago finally bit the bullet and bought a HP M712DN (1200dpi) at a huge 
discount.  This machine has been an absolute dream.  The duplexer is 100% 
reliable; I have never had a paper jam or misfeed the entire time I've owned 
it.  I use it exclusively to print music, and keep heavyweight letter and 11x17 
paper in its two paper trays.  It's 4-5x faster than the LJ5000, and has saved 
me innumerable hours printing orchestral parts and scores.  With the HP5000 I 
had to manually feed the flip side of duplexed pages to avoid paper jams, 
requiring my constant attention throughout a large print job; but with the 
M712DN I can send it as many print jobs as needed and immediately get back to 
what I was doing, letting the printer churn away until it's done.  There's 
still the folding/stapling/trimming/binding etc. to produce finished sheet 
music, but my time involved with the actual printing has been reduced by as 
much as 95%.

The main downside to the M712DN is that it is quite large, and weighs 85 lbs.; 
definitely a 2-person job to pick it up and move it around.  But it's the 
biggest productivity enhancement I've encountered since engraving software.

-Lee

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From: Finale [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of dfr...@smcm.edu
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 11:56 AM
To: <finale@shsu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Finale] printing advice

Dear Chuck and Robert,

Thank you! All I needed to do was to ask the printer preferences to find and 
add the HP5000 printer again (IP address from the printer’s info page). I 
should have figured this out on my own. For some reason, this was vastly easier 
than the initial time I was forced to print over IP (at the point when 
appletalk disappeared from macs). And that first IP connection has survived 
through at least 3 machine and many system upgrades.

What a great machine! Still going after all these years. 1200 dpi, or 600 dpi 
at super speed, long-lasting printer cartridges (shockingly, still available as 
OEM). Granted, I don’t use it very heavily, but still, it is, by far, the 
oldest technology in my house. 25 years old sounds about right.

David

Chuck Israels wrote:
> Dear David,
> 
> This is exactly the setup I have (iMac - not Macbook) ? the printer must be 
> 25 years old!
> 
> In my case, this has happened and removing the printer and adding it again in 
> the System Preferences/printer setup has solved the problem. I think the Mac 
> loses th IP address and sometimes generates another new one. I don?t think it 
> has to do with the particular OS you are using.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Chuck
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:25 AM, dfr...@smcm.edu wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> I?ve been using an HP5000 printer for a very long time. It still works 
>> great. I installed a card that allowed it to print via ethernet (so, in 
>> essence, it is a HP5000N). It is a 600dpi, large-format, laser printer.
>> 
>> I use a MacBook, running Sierra (not High Sierra). Suddenly, with the last 
>> system upgrade from Apple (to 10.12.6), the printer is no longer found.
>> 
>> Is anyone on the list using a setup similar to mine, who experienced the 
>> same problem and has a solution?
>> 
>> Or, perhaps, could someone make recommendations for a reliable printer that 
>> can print up to 12x18?
>> 
>> Hoping for help!
>> 
>> David Froom: text/plain; charset="UTF-8”

and Robert Patterson wrote:
> 
> I think Chuck's suggestion of dropping and re-adding the printer is the
> right first step. It looks like HP has stopped supporting the 5000. If
> dropping and re-adding it doesn't work (as Chuck suggested), I have some
> further suggestions.
> 
> 1) Download the appropriate driver from the hp website and reinstall it. It
> looks like your driver may not have been updated since macOS 10.6. But it
> still might work.
> 
> 2) Create a virtual machine of a lower macOS version and print from there.
> I did this for years with my previous large-format printer, which ceased to
> function correctly starting with Mavericks. Considering my usage patterns,
> for me it was not a noticeable hardship to start up the virtual for a print
> job.
> 
> 3) If you are in the mood for a new printer, I just bought a HP Color
> Laserjet CP5225 that I am very happy with. With the manual feeder I can go
> as large as 12.5"x18.5". (The tray goes up to 11x17.) It is not super-fast,
> but the results are so much better than my previous printer which had been
> slowly dying for a number of years. 

Re: [Finale] printing advice

[dfr...@smcm.edu]

Dear Chuck and Robert,

Thank you! All I needed to do was to ask the printer preferences to find and 
add the HP5000 printer again (IP address from the printer’s info page). I 
should have figured this out on my own. For some reason, this was vastly easier 
than the initial time I was forced to print over IP (at the point when 
appletalk disappeared from macs). And that first IP connection has survived 
through at least 3 machine and many system upgrades.

What a great machine! Still going after all these years. 1200 dpi, or 600 dpi 
at super speed, long-lasting printer cartridges (shockingly, still available as 
OEM). Granted, I don’t use it very heavily, but still, it is, by far, the 
oldest technology in my house. 25 years old sounds about right.

David

Chuck Israels wrote:
> Dear David,
> 
> This is exactly the setup I have (iMac - not Macbook) ? the printer must be 
> 25 years old!
> 
> In my case, this has happened and removing the printer and adding it again in 
> the System Preferences/printer setup has solved the problem. I think the Mac 
> loses th IP address and sometimes generates another new one. I don?t think it 
> has to do with the particular OS you are using.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Chuck
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:25 AM, dfr...@smcm.edu wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> I?ve been using an HP5000 printer for a very long time. It still works 
>> great. I installed a card that allowed it to print via ethernet (so, in 
>> essence, it is a HP5000N). It is a 600dpi, large-format, laser printer.
>> 
>> I use a MacBook, running Sierra (not High Sierra). Suddenly, with the last 
>> system upgrade from Apple (to 10.12.6), the printer is no longer found.
>> 
>> Is anyone on the list using a setup similar to mine, who experienced the 
>> same problem and has a solution?
>> 
>> Or, perhaps, could someone make recommendations for a reliable printer that 
>> can print up to 12x18?
>> 
>> Hoping for help!
>> 
>> David Froom: text/plain; charset="UTF-8”

and Robert Patterson wrote:
> 
> I think Chuck's suggestion of dropping and re-adding the printer is the
> right first step. It looks like HP has stopped supporting the 5000. If
> dropping and re-adding it doesn't work (as Chuck suggested), I have some
> further suggestions.
> 
> 1) Download the appropriate driver from the hp website and reinstall it. It
> looks like your driver may not have been updated since macOS 10.6. But it
> still might work.
> 
> 2) Create a virtual machine of a lower macOS version and print from there.
> I did this for years with my previous large-format printer, which ceased to
> function correctly starting with Mavericks. Considering my usage patterns,
> for me it was not a noticeable hardship to start up the virtual for a print
> job.
> 
> 3) If you are in the mood for a new printer, I just bought a HP Color
> Laserjet CP5225 that I am very happy with. With the manual feeder I can go
> as large as 12.5"x18.5". (The tray goes up to 11x17.) It is not super-fast,
> but the results are so much better than my previous printer which had been
> slowly dying for a number of years. (And it isn't any slower than that one
> was.) Plus it does color! It's not great for photo printing, but for adding
> color accents to a document it is perfect. It is larger and heavier than I
> would like. If I live long enough to replace it, I probably won't try to
> move it again by myself. It really needs two people to lift it safely.
> 
> Final note: if you order a CP5225, make sure you get the one that has an
> automatic duplexer. You have to manually duplex oversize (larger than
> 11x17) sheets, but it is very handy for 11x17 and smaller, and it adds
> almost no additional cost.
> 
and Chuck Israels wrote:
> 
> And I forgot another thing: there is a way (in the menus on the printer 
> settings) to have the printer print a page that has its IP address (it 
> sometimes randomly generates a new one). Don?t remember where that is, but 
> there is printer setting that prints out a page with "Printer Information?.  
> I keep a copy of the IP address it prints out taped to the side of the 
> printer so I can tell the Mac where it is, if it doesn?t find it 
> automatically.
> 
> Every time something like this happens and I think I need a new printer, a 
> cure turns up and the HP 5000N soldiers on.
> 
> For B large format ? others have recommended a Ricoh model, but I am still 
> using the HP.
> 
> Chuck


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Re: [Finale] printing advice

[Chuck Israels]

And I forgot another thing: there is a way (in the menus on the printer 
settings) to have the printer print a page that has its IP address (it 
sometimes randomly generates a new one). Don’t remember where that is, but 
there is printer setting that prints out a page with "Printer Information”.  I 
keep a copy of the IP address it prints out taped to the side of the printer so 
I can tell the Mac where it is, if it doesn’t find it automatically.

Every time something like this happens and I think I need a new printer, a cure 
turns up and the HP 5000N soldiers on.

For B large format — others have recommended a Ricoh model, but I am still 
using the HP.

Chuck

> On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:57 AM, Robert Patterson  
> wrote:
> 
> I think Chuck's suggestion of dropping and re-adding the printer is the
> right first step. It looks like HP has stopped supporting the 5000. If
> dropping and re-adding it doesn't work (as Chuck suggested), I have some
> further suggestions.
> 
> 1) Download the appropriate driver from the hp website and reinstall it. It
> looks like your driver may not have been updated since macOS 10.6. But it
> still might work.
> 
> 2) Create a virtual machine of a lower macOS version and print from there.
> I did this for years with my previous large-format printer, which ceased to
> function correctly starting with Mavericks. Considering my usage patterns,
> for me it was not a noticeable hardship to start up the virtual for a print
> job.
> 
> 3) If you are in the mood for a new printer, I just bought a HP Color
> Laserjet CP5225 that I am very happy with. With the manual feeder I can go
> as large as 12.5"x18.5". (The tray goes up to 11x17.) It is not super-fast,
> but the results are so much better than my previous printer which had been
> slowly dying for a number of years. (And it isn't any slower than that one
> was.) Plus it does color! It's not great for photo printing, but for adding
> color accents to a document it is perfect. It is larger and heavier than I
> would like. If I live long enough to replace it, I probably won't try to
> move it again by myself. It really needs two people to lift it safely.
> 
> Final note: if you order a CP5225, make sure you get the one that has an
> automatic duplexer. You have to manually duplex oversize (larger than
> 11x17) sheets, but it is very handy for 11x17 and smaller, and it adds
> almost no additional cost.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 8:25 AM, dfr...@smcm.edu  wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> I’ve been using an HP5000 printer for a very long time. It still works
>> great. I installed a card that allowed it to print via ethernet (so, in
>> essence, it is a HP5000N). It is a 600dpi, large-format, laser printer.
>> 
>> I use a MacBook, running Sierra (not High Sierra). Suddenly, with the last
>> system upgrade from Apple (to 10.12.6), the printer is no longer found.
>> 
>> Is anyone on the list using a setup similar to mine, who experienced the
>> same problem and has a solution?
>> 
>> Or, perhaps, could someone make recommendations for a reliable printer
>> that can print up to 12x18?
>> 
>> Hoping for help!
>> 
>> David Froom
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Re: [Finale] printing advice

[Robert Patterson]

I think Chuck's suggestion of dropping and re-adding the printer is the
right first step. It looks like HP has stopped supporting the 5000. If
dropping and re-adding it doesn't work (as Chuck suggested), I have some
further suggestions.

1) Download the appropriate driver from the hp website and reinstall it. It
looks like your driver may not have been updated since macOS 10.6. But it
still might work.

2) Create a virtual machine of a lower macOS version and print from there.
I did this for years with my previous large-format printer, which ceased to
function correctly starting with Mavericks. Considering my usage patterns,
for me it was not a noticeable hardship to start up the virtual for a print
job.

3) If you are in the mood for a new printer, I just bought a HP Color
Laserjet CP5225 that I am very happy with. With the manual feeder I can go
as large as 12.5"x18.5". (The tray goes up to 11x17.) It is not super-fast,
but the results are so much better than my previous printer which had been
slowly dying for a number of years. (And it isn't any slower than that one
was.) Plus it does color! It's not great for photo printing, but for adding
color accents to a document it is perfect. It is larger and heavier than I
would like. If I live long enough to replace it, I probably won't try to
move it again by myself. It really needs two people to lift it safely.

Final note: if you order a CP5225, make sure you get the one that has an
automatic duplexer. You have to manually duplex oversize (larger than
11x17) sheets, but it is very handy for 11x17 and smaller, and it adds
almost no additional cost.


On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 8:25 AM, dfr...@smcm.edu  wrote:

> Hello all,
> I’ve been using an HP5000 printer for a very long time. It still works
> great. I installed a card that allowed it to print via ethernet (so, in
> essence, it is a HP5000N). It is a 600dpi, large-format, laser printer.
>
> I use a MacBook, running Sierra (not High Sierra). Suddenly, with the last
> system upgrade from Apple (to 10.12.6), the printer is no longer found.
>
> Is anyone on the list using a setup similar to mine, who experienced the
> same problem and has a solution?
>
> Or, perhaps, could someone make recommendations for a reliable printer
> that can print up to 12x18?
>
> Hoping for help!
>
> David Froom
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Re: [Finale] printing advice

[Chuck Israels]

Dear David,

This is exactly the setup I have (iMac - not Macbook) — the printer must be 25 
years old!

In my case, this has happened and removing the printer and adding it again in 
the System Preferences/printer setup has solved the problem. I think the Mac 
loses th IP address and sometimes generates another new one. I don’t think it 
has to do with the particular OS you are using.

Hope this helps,

Chuck

> On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:25 AM, dfr...@smcm.edu wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> I’ve been using an HP5000 printer for a very long time. It still works great. 
> I installed a card that allowed it to print via ethernet (so, in essence, it 
> is a HP5000N). It is a 600dpi, large-format, laser printer.
> 
> I use a MacBook, running Sierra (not High Sierra). Suddenly, with the last 
> system upgrade from Apple (to 10.12.6), the printer is no longer found.
> 
> Is anyone on the list using a setup similar to mine, who experienced the same 
> problem and has a solution?
> 
> Or, perhaps, could someone make recommendations for a reliable printer that 
> can print up to 12x18?
> 
> Hoping for help!
> 
> David Froom
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[Finale] printing advice

[dfr...@smcm.edu]

Hello all,
I’ve been using an HP5000 printer for a very long time. It still works great. I 
installed a card that allowed it to print via ethernet (so, in essence, it is a 
HP5000N). It is a 600dpi, large-format, laser printer.

I use a MacBook, running Sierra (not High Sierra). Suddenly, with the last 
system upgrade from Apple (to 10.12.6), the printer is no longer found.

Is anyone on the list using a setup similar to mine, who experienced the same 
problem and has a solution?

Or, perhaps, could someone make recommendations for a reliable printer that can 
print up to 12x18?

Hoping for help!

David Froom
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