Re: [Finale] joining layers
On 07.10.2008 Christopher Smith wrote: But I still wonder what the results would be of a part written, say, two half notes in one voice and a whole note in the other voice. Are we certain what we are asking for? Exactly what Implode does now with two staves. Try it, it works surprisingly well, for certain tasks. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] joining layers
On 6-Oct-08, at 6-Oct-08 4:14 PM, dhbailey wrote: In fairness to David Fenton, though, he didn't say he thought it would be easy, just that it would be possible. Which may still be an unjustified assumption, but not quite the same thing as saying it would be easy. TG Tools is able to explode parts correctly both with and without separate layers, so I imagine if anyone could write a plugin to switch multi-layer parts to single layer, it would be Tobias. But I still wonder what the results would be of a part written, say, two half notes in one voice and a whole note in the other voice. Are we certain what we are asking for? christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] joining layers
Richard Yates wrote: How is that any different from combining multiple saves, as the existing implode already does? I'm with Johannes: it seems obvious that if you can do it for staves, you can do it for layers. David W. Fenton I seem to vaguely remember someone here soundly scolding me for assuming how easy it would be to make modifications to Finale's features. That said, I agree that it does seem that imploding layers could be implemented. In fact, I assume that it is a mechanical data manipulation that Johannes or others could design a plug-in to do. RY In fairness to David Fenton, though, he didn't say he thought it would be easy, just that it would be possible. Which may still be an unjustified assumption, but not quite the same thing as saying it would be easy. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] joining layers
Richard Yates wrote: How is that any different from combining multiple saves, as the existing implode already does? I'm with Johannes: it seems obvious that if you can do it for staves, you can do it for layers. David W. Fenton I seem to vaguely remember someone here soundly scolding me for assuming how easy it would be to make modifications to Finale's features. That said, I agree that it does seem that imploding layers could be implemented. In fact, I assume that it is a mechanical data manipulation that Johannes or others could design a plug-in to do. RY Someone scolding others on this list for making assumptions about ease of programming to change Finale's functions or to add new things? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you. I would never imagine such a thing from anyone on this list. ;-) I don't think Johannes is a plug-in designer. And I believe I recall Robert Patterson remarking something about how the new plug-in developer's kit didn't have the same data access in it that previous versions had, so it might not even be possible to create a plug-in to do that. But that's just something from the dim corners of my memory which might best have been left there. :-) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] joining layers
>How is that any different from combining multiple saves, as >the existing implode already does? I'm with Johannes: it seems >obvious that if you can do it for staves, you can do it for layers. >David W. Fenton I seem to vaguely remember someone here soundly scolding me for assuming how easy it would be to make modifications to Finale's features. That said, I agree that it does seem that imploding layers could be implemented. In fact, I assume that it is a mechanical data manipulation that Johannes or others could design a plug-in to do. RY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] joining layers
On 6 Oct 2008 at 2:51, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: > Johannes Gebauer wrote: > > ...is pretty much the way I did it in the end, thanks. It seems odd > > that such a simple thing is not included in the mass edit functions. > > Well, except the number of instances where one would want, and be able > to combine layers is probably pretty small, since every vertical > duration in all layers much exactly match. The moment a you have a > single disjunction in durations, you are right back to needing two > layers, or two voices. How is that any different from combining multiple saves, as the existing implode already does? I'm with Johannes: it seems obvious that if you can do it for staves, you can do it for layers. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] joining layers
>> Well, except the number of instances where one would want, >and be able to combine layers is probably pretty small, since >every vertical duration in all layers much exactly match. The >moment a you have a single disjunction in durations, you are >right back to needing two layers, or two voices. My most common use of implode is as the first step in producing lute tablature. The whole point is to merge the "disjunction in durations". Imploding layers would be very helpful. RY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] joining layers
On 06.10.2008 dhbailey wrote: Well, if nothing else turns up, you could add a couple of scratch staves, move the music from the current staff into the same layer on the two new staves, then implode them back to the original staff. A lot of work, but if nobody comes up with a better system, it should do what you want. That's what I did in the end. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] joining layers
On 06.10.2008 Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Well, except the number of instances where one would want, and be able to combine layers is probably pretty small, since every vertical duration in all layers much exactly match. The moment a you have a single disjunction in durations, you are right back to needing two layers, or two voices. Ok, but the function to Implode music does already do that, and it only needs to be changed so it can operate on layers instead of staves. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] joining layers
Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 05.10.2008 dhbailey wrote: I think you need to use the "Implode Music" command. As far as I can tell this takes several staves and combines them, but it won't work on one staff in several layers. Johannes Well, if nothing else turns up, you could add a couple of scratch staves, move the music from the current staff into the same layer on the two new staves, then implode them back to the original staff. A lot of work, but if nobody comes up with a better system, it should do what you want. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] joining layers
Johannes Gebauer wrote: ...is pretty much the way I did it in the end, thanks. It seems odd that such a simple thing is not included in the mass edit functions. Well, except the number of instances where one would want, and be able to combine layers is probably pretty small, since every vertical duration in all layers much exactly match. The moment a you have a single disjunction in durations, you are right back to needing two layers, or two voices. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] joining layers
On 06.10.2008 Noel Stoutenburg wrote: The way I've done it in the past: ...is pretty much the way I did it in the end, thanks. It seems odd that such a simple thing is not included in the mass edit functions. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] joining layers
Johannes Gebauer wrote: Is there a way to join homophonic layers into one? The way I've done it in the past: 1) add a scratch staff for each layer to be combined (two layers, two scratch staves), plus an extra. 2) Set to "display active layer only". 3) Choose each layer in succession 4) Move active layer to its own scratch staff 5) Move layer to desired layer, if needed. 6) Implode all scratch staves to one staff (this is where I use the extra staff) 7) Copy the music from the imploded scratch staff back into the desired staff. 8) Delete the scratch staves. I know this worked several versions ago, but haven't had to use the technique in a recent version. I've no reason to think it wouldn't work. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] joining layers
On 05.10.2008 dhbailey wrote: I think you need to use the "Implode Music" command. As far as I can tell this takes several staves and combines them, but it won't work on one staff in several layers. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] joining layers
Johannes Gebauer wrote: Is there a way to join homophonic layers into one? I think you need to use the "Implode Music" command. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
