Re: [Finale] 2K7a dumb question #1

[Eric Dannewitz]

I always thought the updaters asked before overwriting things like that. 
I guess not. I too had my default file over written. I complained to 
MakeMusic support. It's insane. You should be at least ASKED if you want 
to overwrite that file..


Chuck Israels wrote:
Sure, but I was thinking about those of us who are converting to the 
maintenance upgrade.  I found that that move also destroyed my 
configurations in the default file I had made in 2007, and I could 
have saved myself some time and irritation!





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Re: [Finale] 2K7a dumb question #1

[Chuck Israels]

Sure, but I was thinking about those of us who are converting to the  
maintenance upgrade.  I found that that move also destroyed my  
configurations in the default file I had made in 2007, and I could  
have saved myself some time and irritation!



On Dec 23, 2006, at 3:42 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:

Yes, Andrew could simply have copied his 2k4 default file into the  
Fin2k7 Component Files folder, although he would be missing out on  
a lot of the new features, like auto-flip expressions and the cue  
note staff style.


Cheers,

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On 23 Dec 2006, at 12:55 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:


Andrew et al,

Shouldn't it be possible to remove your Maestro Font Default file  
from your Finale folder before updating (not that I remembered to  
do this!) and then replace it after the update?


Is there something I'm missing here.  It did not occur to me to do  
this, so I spent hours reconfiguring mine, but it seems so easy in  
retrospect.


Chuck


On Dec 23, 2006, at 12:40 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:



On Dec 23, 2006, at 4:17 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:

I am not on Windows, but for an upgrade from 2k4 to 2k7a I am  
sure it would have to completely install new default files and  
settings, since otherwise a lot of new features of Finale would  
simply be lost.


I just spent hours doing just that,  and I fail to see how  any  
new  features would be lost if the installation algorithm were to  
copy, say, my shortened stem length from 2K4 to 2K7a. Or my  
choices of fonts for various items. Or any of several dozen other  
settings.


The installation does, after all, read the user's midi setup and  
copy it to the new program despite great changes in the midi  
setup procedure. If it can do that, it can do those other things.


And, oh yes, would it be so hard to have my preferences  
automatically copied too?


I lost an entire day of productivity reproducing all this stuff  
in 2K7a, and I'm *still*  not finished. :-(




And on a related topic: is there any way to globally set the  
*length* of tie stubs? The only settings I know are for height  
and inset percentage.


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Re: [Finale] 2K7a dumb question #1

[Darcy James Argue]

Oops -- I meant auto-flip articulations, not expressions.

Cheers,

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On 23 Dec 2006, at 3:42 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:

Yes, Andrew could simply have copied his 2k4 default file into the  
Fin2k7 Component Files folder, although he would be missing out on  
a lot of the new features, like auto-flip expressions and the cue  
note staff style.


Cheers,

- Darcy
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Brooklyn, NY



On 23 Dec 2006, at 12:55 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:


Andrew et al,

Shouldn't it be possible to remove your Maestro Font Default file  
from your Finale folder before updating (not that I remembered to  
do this!) and then replace it after the update?


Is there something I'm missing here.  It did not occur to me to do  
this, so I spent hours reconfiguring mine, but it seems so easy in  
retrospect.


Chuck


On Dec 23, 2006, at 12:40 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:



On Dec 23, 2006, at 4:17 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:

I am not on Windows, but for an upgrade from 2k4 to 2k7a I am  
sure it would have to completely install new default files and  
settings, since otherwise a lot of new features of Finale would  
simply be lost.


I just spent hours doing just that,  and I fail to see how  any  
new  features would be lost if the installation algorithm were to  
copy, say, my shortened stem length from 2K4 to 2K7a. Or my  
choices of fonts for various items. Or any of several dozen other  
settings.


The installation does, after all, read the user's midi setup and  
copy it to the new program despite great changes in the midi  
setup procedure. If it can do that, it can do those other things.


And, oh yes, would it be so hard to have my preferences  
automatically copied too?


I lost an entire day of productivity reproducing all this stuff  
in 2K7a, and I'm *still*  not finished. :-(




And on a related topic: is there any way to globally set the  
*length* of tie stubs? The only settings I know are for height  
and inset percentage.


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Re: [Finale] 2K7a dumb question #1

[Darcy James Argue]

Yes, Andrew could simply have copied his 2k4 default file into the  
Fin2k7 Component Files folder, although he would be missing out on a  
lot of the new features, like auto-flip expressions and the cue note  
staff style.


Cheers,

- Darcy
-
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Brooklyn, NY



On 23 Dec 2006, at 12:55 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:


Andrew et al,

Shouldn't it be possible to remove your Maestro Font Default file  
from your Finale folder before updating (not that I remembered to  
do this!) and then replace it after the update?


Is there something I'm missing here.  It did not occur to me to do  
this, so I spent hours reconfiguring mine, but it seems so easy in  
retrospect.


Chuck


On Dec 23, 2006, at 12:40 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:



On Dec 23, 2006, at 4:17 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:

I am not on Windows, but for an upgrade from 2k4 to 2k7a I am  
sure it would have to completely install new default files and  
settings, since otherwise a lot of new features of Finale would  
simply be lost.


I just spent hours doing just that,  and I fail to see how  any  
new  features would be lost if the installation algorithm were to  
copy, say, my shortened stem length from 2K4 to 2K7a. Or my  
choices of fonts for various items. Or any of several dozen other  
settings.


The installation does, after all, read the user's midi setup and  
copy it to the new program despite great changes in the midi setup  
procedure. If it can do that, it can do those other things.


And, oh yes, would it be so hard to have my preferences  
automatically copied too?


I lost an entire day of productivity reproducing all this stuff in  
2K7a, and I'm *still*  not finished. :-(




And on a related topic: is there any way to globally set the  
*length* of tie stubs? The only settings I know are for height and  
inset percentage.


Andrew Stiller
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Re: [Finale] 2K7a dumb question #1

[Chuck Israels]

Andrew et al,

Shouldn't it be possible to remove your Maestro Font Default file  
from your Finale folder before updating (not that I remembered to do  
this!) and then replace it after the update?


Is there something I'm missing here.  It did not occur to me to do  
this, so I spent hours reconfiguring mine, but it seems so easy in  
retrospect.


Chuck


On Dec 23, 2006, at 12:40 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:



On Dec 23, 2006, at 4:17 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:

I am not on Windows, but for an upgrade from 2k4 to 2k7a I am sure  
it would have to completely install new default files and  
settings, since otherwise a lot of new features of Finale would  
simply be lost.


I just spent hours doing just that,  and I fail to see how  any  
new  features would be lost if the installation algorithm were to  
copy, say, my shortened stem length from 2K4 to 2K7a. Or my choices  
of fonts for various items. Or any of several dozen other settings.


The installation does, after all, read the user's midi setup and  
copy it to the new program despite great changes in the midi setup  
procedure. If it can do that, it can do those other things.


And, oh yes, would it be so hard to have my preferences  
automatically copied too?


I lost an entire day of productivity reproducing all this stuff in  
2K7a, and I'm *still*  not finished. :-(




And on a related topic: is there any way to globally set the  
*length* of tie stubs? The only settings I know are for height and  
inset percentage.


Andrew Stiller
Kallisti Music Press
http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/

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Re: [Finale] 2K7a dumb question #1

[Andrew Stiller]

On Dec 23, 2006, at 4:17 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:

I am not on Windows, but for an upgrade from 2k4 to 2k7a I am sure it 
would have to completely install new default files and settings, since 
otherwise a lot of new features of Finale would simply be lost.


I just spent hours doing just that,  and I fail to see how  any new  
features would be lost if the installation algorithm were to copy, say, 
my shortened stem length from 2K4 to 2K7a. Or my choices of fonts for 
various items. Or any of several dozen other settings.


The installation does, after all, read the user's midi setup and copy 
it to the new program despite great changes in the midi setup 
procedure. If it can do that, it can do those other things.


And, oh yes, would it be so hard to have my preferences automatically 
copied too?


I lost an entire day of productivity reproducing all this stuff in 
2K7a, and I'm *still*  not finished. :-(




And on a related topic: is there any way to globally set the *length* 
of tie stubs? The only settings I know are for height and inset 
percentage.


Andrew Stiller
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Re: [Finale] 2K7a dumb question #1

[Johannes Gebauer]

On 23.12.2006 David W. Fenton wrote:
Doesn't this depend on whether you upgrade an existing installation 
or create a new installation? That is, if you install the update into 
the folder where an existing Finale version is installed, won't it 
inherit the old installation's settings, and if you create a new 
folder for a fresh install it will not?


I have a vague perception that on the Mac the default for 
installations is to create a new installation by default and on 
Windows to install over top of the old installation and inherit all 
its existing settings. Am I wrong in that misty surmise?




I am not on Windows, but for an upgrade from 2k4 to 2k7a I am sure it 
would have to completely install new default files and settings, since 
otherwise a lot of new features of Finale would simply be lost.


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Re: [Finale] 2K7a dumb question #1

[David W. Fenton]

On 22 Dec 2006 at 16:02, Andrew Stiller wrote:

> Since Finale does not (tho it should) carry over default document
> settings when updating, it is necessary/customary for the user to
> alter the new default file so as to include the settings so
> painstakingly worked out for prior versions.

Doesn't this depend on whether you upgrade an existing installation 
or create a new installation? That is, if you install the update into 
the folder where an existing Finale version is installed, won't it 
inherit the old installation's settings, and if you create a new 
folder for a fresh install it will not?

I have a vague perception that on the Mac the default for 
installations is to create a new installation by default and on 
Windows to install over top of the old installation and inherit all 
its existing settings. Am I wrong in that misty surmise?

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Re: [Finale] 2K7a dumb question #1

[Christopher Smith]

On Dec 22, 2006, at 4:08 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
The file named by that preference is indeed used when you do File |  
New. But when you use the Setup Wizard, Finale always looks  
specifically for a file called Maestro Font Default.


Or JazzFont Default, depending on which option you select in the last  
Setup Wizard window.


There is actually no reason why you couldn't have TWO Maestro files,  
one the regular name, the other called JazzFont Default (or whatever  
the new name is) for two different purposes, containing different  
variants of the various settings, but both using Maestro font.


I don't do this because I use both types, but I don't know of any  
reason preventing you from trying this out.


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Re: [Finale] 2K7a dumb question #1

[Aaron Sherber]

At 03:56 PM 12/22/2006, Andrew Stiller wrote:
>below)--it's called "Maestro Font Default," even though it is not a
>font file... Do I gather correctly that I can change this name provided
>I then select the new name in Finale 2007/Preferences/Program
>Options--New?

Yes and no. The file named by that preference is indeed used when you 
do File | New. But when you use the Setup Wizard, Finale always looks 
specifically for a file called Maestro Font Default. Don't bother 
complaining about this; we've all been complaining since the Setup 
Wizard was introduced.


>Am I also correct that, whatever it may be called, this
>is still the good ol' Finale Default File, wh. I can modify in whatever
>ways and have those ways appear in any new document I create?

Yes.

Aaron.

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Re: [Finale] 2K7a dumb question #1

[Andrew Stiller]

On Dec 22, 2006, at 2:11 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote:


Andrew Stiller / 2006/12/22 / 02:05 PM wrote:


Nope.  Any other ideas?


What/Why are you looking for?



Since Finale does not (tho it should) carry over default document 
settings when updating, it is necessary/customary for the user to alter 
the new default file so as to include the settings so painstakingly 
worked out for prior versions.


I do not wish to use an ensemble template for this purpose, because I 
publish all different kinds of music, and prefer to configure all files 
from a minimal, one-bar/one staff starter, and do not use any of the 
wizards.


--Andrew

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Re: [Finale] 2K7a dumb question #1

[Andrew Stiller]

On Dec 22, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

Ah, well, there's the answer. It's not called "Maestro Default File" 
anymore (wh. is what you called it in your first reply, see 
below)--it's called "Maestro Font Default," even though it is not a 
font file... Do I gather correctly that I can change this name provided 
I then select the new name in Finale 2007/Preferences/Program 
Options--New? Am I also correct that, whatever it may be called, this 
is still the good ol' Finale Default File, wh. I can modify in whatever 
ways and have those ways appear in any new document I create? (And yes, 
yes, I do know that preferences get saved separately--and  what items 
count as preferences. IMO *all* this stuff should be automatically 
carried over when updating.)


--Andrew

Um, yeah. That is where it is. Applications, Finale 2007 (or whatever 
your Finale Folder is), Component Files, Maestro Font Default. That is 
the Default file that Finale will uses. Unless you changed it 
somehow


Andrew Stiller wrote:
just upgraded from FinMac2K4 to 2K7a, and what I want to know is: 
where's the default file, and what's it called?

On Dec 22, 2006, at 1:45 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

Applications->Finale 2007->Component Files->Maestro Default File (I 
think).




Nope.  Any other ideas?

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Re: [Finale] 2K7a dumb question #1

[A-NO-NE Music]

dc / 2006/12/22 / 02:17 PM wrote:

>>What/Why are you looking for?
>
>Andrew wrote:
>
>>where's the default file, and what's it called?
>
>That answers your first question.

No.  I asked because what Finale takes default isn't what he is looking for.

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Re: [Finale] 2K7a dumb question #1

[Eric Dannewitz]

"That is the Default file that Finale will uses". Erg. That is the 
default file that Finale will use!


The other one, Jazz Font Default, is also located in that folder. You 
might maybe check your Finale Preferences to see where the Component 
Files. Perhaps they are set to somewhere other than Finale 
2007/Component Files.


Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Um, yeah. That is where it is. Applications, Finale 2007 (or whatever 
your Finale Folder is), Component Files, Maestro Font Default. That is 
the Default file that Finale will uses. Unless you changed it 
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Re: [Finale] 2K7a dumb question #1

[Eric Dannewitz]

Um, yeah. That is where it is. Applications, Finale 2007 (or whatever 
your Finale Folder is), Component Files, Maestro Font Default. That is 
the Default file that Finale will uses. Unless you changed it 
somehow


Andrew Stiller wrote:
just upgraded from FinMac2K4 to 2K7a, and what I want to know is: 
where's the default file, and what's it called?

On Dec 22, 2006, at 1:45 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

Applications->Finale 2007->Component Files->Maestro Default File (I 
think).




Nope.  Any other ideas?

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Re: [Finale] 2K7a dumb question #1

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Andrew Stiller / 2006/12/22 / 02:05 PM wrote:

>Nope.  Any other ideas?

What/Why are you looking for?

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Re: [Finale] 2K7a dumb question #1

[Andrew Stiller]

Andrew Stiller wrote:
OK, I just upgraded from FinMac2K4 to 2K7a, and what I want to know 
is: where's the default file, and what's it called?

On Dec 22, 2006, at 1:45 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

Applications->Finale 2007->Component Files->Maestro Default File (I 
think).




Nope.  Any other ideas?

--Andrew

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Re: [Finale] 2K7a dumb question #1

[Eric Dannewitz]

Applications->Finale 2007->Component Files->Maestro Default File (I think).

And the same location, Jazz something default file.

Andrew Stiller wrote:
OK, I just upgraded from FinMac2K4 to 2K7a, and what I want to know 
is: where's the default file, and what's it called?


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