Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan Font bug in 2012 - now fixed
Hi Darcy, Jari, Steve and all who responded, Nick Carter sent me the latest version of the ChordSym font, and the characters in question now appear in editing slots that are accessible in Finale 2012. The FAN files have been adjusted and the symbols are working correctly. I will let the MM people know too. Thanks again - especially to Darcy, who encouraged me to contact Nick and get the updated font (now called FPChordSym). Chuck On Oct 15, 2011, at 2:19 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: On 2011-10-14 11:48, Chuck Israels wrote: There are two essential (to me) symbols in Bill Duncan's fonts for which one cannot adjust the FAN files, because the symbols (the small and large slashes for rhythmic notation) are in slots that are currently not supported in Finale 2012. The symbols are in spaces 257 and 259, and the grid that Finale shows where such things can be accessed in order to edit them stops at #255. I'm a bit confused here. I understand the fact that the 2012 FAN editor doesn't support characters above 255, and that's a bug in Finale 2012 (since they didn't expand the editor to allow the Unicode range). But characters occupying slots 257 and 259 would NOT be possible to use in Finale 2011 or earlier versions at all. So you would not be able to see or use these characters in pre-2012 versions. Pre-2012 versions could only support characters within the 0-255 range. I don't have Bill Duncan's fonts so I can't test myself, but this issue doesn't sound logical to me. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 1310 NW Naito Parkway #807 Portland, OR 97209-316 land line: (971) 255-1167 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraels.com www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan Font bug in 2012
On 2011-10-14 11:48, Chuck Israels wrote: There are two essential (to me) symbols in Bill Duncan's fonts for which one cannot adjust the FAN files, because the symbols (the small and large slashes for rhythmic notation) are in slots that are currently not supported in Finale 2012. The symbols are in spaces 257 and 259, and the grid that Finale shows where such things can be accessed in order to edit them stops at #255. I'm a bit confused here. I understand the fact that the 2012 FAN editor doesn't support characters above 255, and that's a bug in Finale 2012 (since they didn't expand the editor to allow the Unicode range). But characters occupying slots 257 and 259 would NOT be possible to use in Finale 2011 or earlier versions at all. So you would not be able to see or use these characters in pre-2012 versions. Pre-2012 versions could only support characters within the 0-255 range. I don't have Bill Duncan's fonts so I can't test myself, but this issue doesn't sound logical to me. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan Font bug in 2012
Dear Jari, In order to explore this discrepancy, I opened Finale 2011 and looked for the problem symbols in the FAN editor. Lo and behold, they appear in slots 213 and 218 in 2011. How is it that they have migrated to different places when viewed in 2012? I'm sorry, if there is some element of understanding that I am missing. I am doing my best to supply all relevant information. Can you help? Thanks, Chuck On Oct 15, 2011, at 2:19 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: On 2011-10-14 11:48, Chuck Israels wrote: There are two essential (to me) symbols in Bill Duncan's fonts for which one cannot adjust the FAN files, because the symbols (the small and large slashes for rhythmic notation) are in slots that are currently not supported in Finale 2012. The symbols are in spaces 257 and 259, and the grid that Finale shows where such things can be accessed in order to edit them stops at #255. I'm a bit confused here. I understand the fact that the 2012 FAN editor doesn't support characters above 255, and that's a bug in Finale 2012 (since they didn't expand the editor to allow the Unicode range). But characters occupying slots 257 and 259 would NOT be possible to use in Finale 2011 or earlier versions at all. So you would not be able to see or use these characters in pre-2012 versions. Pre-2012 versions could only support characters within the 0-255 range. I don't have Bill Duncan's fonts so I can't test myself, but this issue doesn't sound logical to me. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 1310 NW Naito Parkway #807 Portland, OR 97209-316 land line: (971) 255-1167 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraels.com www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan Font bug in 2012
Hello Chuck, Did you share this info with MM? I've had issues with 2012 FAN files so this type of info is not something I've supplied to them. Thanks, Steve From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Chuck Israels [cisra...@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 2:37 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan Font bug in 2012 Dear Jari, In order to explore this discrepancy, I opened Finale 2011 and looked for the problem symbols in the FAN editor. Lo and behold, they appear in slots 213 and 218 in 2011. How is it that they have migrated to different places when viewed in 2012? I'm sorry, if there is some element of understanding that I am missing. I am doing my best to supply all relevant information. Can you help? Thanks, Chuck On Oct 15, 2011, at 2:19 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: On 2011-10-14 11:48, Chuck Israels wrote: There are two essential (to me) symbols in Bill Duncan's fonts for which one cannot adjust the FAN files, because the symbols (the small and large slashes for rhythmic notation) are in slots that are currently not supported in Finale 2012. The symbols are in spaces 257 and 259, and the grid that Finale shows where such things can be accessed in order to edit them stops at #255. I'm a bit confused here. I understand the fact that the 2012 FAN editor doesn't support characters above 255, and that's a bug in Finale 2012 (since they didn't expand the editor to allow the Unicode range). But characters occupying slots 257 and 259 would NOT be possible to use in Finale 2011 or earlier versions at all. So you would not be able to see or use these characters in pre-2012 versions. Pre-2012 versions could only support characters within the 0-255 range. I don't have Bill Duncan's fonts so I can't test myself, but this issue doesn't sound logical to me. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 1310 NW Naito Parkway #807 Portland, OR 97209-316 land line: (971) 255-1167 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraels.com www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan Font bug in 2012
Hi Steve, Yes, we are in communication. Thanks, Chuck On Oct 15, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Fiskum, Steve wrote: Hello Chuck, Did you share this info with MM? I've had issues with 2012 FAN files so this type of info is not something I've supplied to them. Thanks, Steve From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Chuck Israels [cisra...@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 2:37 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan Font bug in 2012 Dear Jari, In order to explore this discrepancy, I opened Finale 2011 and looked for the problem symbols in the FAN editor. Lo and behold, they appear in slots 213 and 218 in 2011. How is it that they have migrated to different places when viewed in 2012? I'm sorry, if there is some element of understanding that I am missing. I am doing my best to supply all relevant information. Can you help? Thanks, Chuck On Oct 15, 2011, at 2:19 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: On 2011-10-14 11:48, Chuck Israels wrote: There are two essential (to me) symbols in Bill Duncan's fonts for which one cannot adjust the FAN files, because the symbols (the small and large slashes for rhythmic notation) are in slots that are currently not supported in Finale 2012. The symbols are in spaces 257 and 259, and the grid that Finale shows where such things can be accessed in order to edit them stops at #255. I'm a bit confused here. I understand the fact that the 2012 FAN editor doesn't support characters above 255, and that's a bug in Finale 2012 (since they didn't expand the editor to allow the Unicode range). But characters occupying slots 257 and 259 would NOT be possible to use in Finale 2011 or earlier versions at all. So you would not be able to see or use these characters in pre-2012 versions. Pre-2012 versions could only support characters within the 0-255 range. I don't have Bill Duncan's fonts so I can't test myself, but this issue doesn't sound logical to me. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 1310 NW Naito Parkway #807 Portland, OR 97209-316 land line: (971) 255-1167 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraels.com www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 1310 NW Naito Parkway #807 Portland, OR 97209-316 land line: (971) 255-1167 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraels.com www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan Font bug in 2012
I haven't seen any major issues with the articulations font and 2012 finale. Some really old files that seem to use the BDFont (maestro) were messed up for me. Did you manually move all the FAN files into the Finale 2012 folders? Sent from my iSomething -- Eric Dannewitz Musician/Polymath/Evil Genius http://www.ericdannewitz.com/ iMessage ericdannew...@me.com On Oct 14, 2011, at 3:02 AM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote: There are two essential (to me) symbols in Bill Duncan's fonts for which one cannot adjust the FAN files, because the symbols (the small and large slashes for rhythmic notation) are in slots that are currently not supported in Finale 2012. The symbols are in spaces 257 and 259, and the grid that Finale shows where such things can be accessed in order to edit them stops at #255. ( I don't know if this is platform related, but I am on a Mac and OS 10.7.2.) I am insufficiently computer savvy to know if there is a way around this, short of moving misplaced ties, articulations, and expressions into place manually, thereby guaranteeing that they will be misplaced again when the FAN files are repaired. Does anyone have a practical workaround for this? MM says they are exploring the problem, but meanwhile - go back to v.2011. I can wait a little, but MM does not yet suggest a timeline for the repair, nor do they seem to guarantee that they will address it. Perhaps they are actually working on it. In any case, I am forced into being a paying beta tester, and I had volunteered to be a real one earlier, only to find that I am ill suited to the task. I wonder if any of the real beta testers ran into this issue. Darcy? Were you one? Another (perhaps harebrained) idea: might it be possible for Nick Carter, the owner/distributor of the Bill Duncan material, to move the symbols into earlier empty positions in the grid in which they appear, so that Finale could access them? I apologize, if this is an ignorant thought. I am responding to what I see on screen and have only the most rudimentary idea of what that might mean in terms of computer code. Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 1310 NW Naito Parkway #807 Portland, OR 97209-316 land line: (971) 255-1167 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraels.com www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan Font bug in 2012
Hi Eric, Yes, the appropriate FAN files have been moved into the right place, but there is a real bug, acknowledged by MM. I have had a message from them that the right people at MM are working on it, so I am hopeful. Thanks, Chuck Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote: I haven't seen any major issues with the articulations font and 2012 finale. Some really old files that seem to use the BDFont (maestro) were messed up for me. Did you manually move all the FAN files into the Finale 2012 folders? Sent from my iSomething -- Eric Dannewitz Musician/Polymath/Evil Genius http://www.ericdannewitz.com/ iMessage ericdannew...@me.com On Oct 14, 2011, at 3:02 AM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote: There are two essential (to me) symbols in Bill Duncan's fonts for which one cannot adjust the FAN files, because the symbols (the small and large slashes for rhythmic notation) are in slots that are currently not supported in Finale 2012. The symbols are in spaces 257 and 259, and the grid that Finale shows where such things can be accessed in order to edit them stops at #255. ( I don't know if this is platform related, but I am on a Mac and OS 10.7.2.) I am insufficiently computer savvy to know if there is a way around this, short of moving misplaced ties, articulations, and expressions into place manually, thereby guaranteeing that they will be misplaced again when the FAN files are repaired. Does anyone have a practical workaround for this? MM says they are exploring the problem, but meanwhile - go back to v.2011. I can wait a little, but MM does not yet suggest a timeline for the repair, nor do they seem to guarantee that they will address it. Perhaps they are actually working on it. In any case, I am forced into being a paying beta tester, and I had volunteered to be a real one earlier, only to find that I am ill suited to the task. I wonder if any of the real beta testers ran into this issue. Darcy? Were you one? Another (perhaps harebrained) idea: might it be possible for Nick Carter, the owner/distributor of the Bill Duncan material, to move the symbols into earlier empty positions in the grid in which they appear, so that Finale could access them? I apologize, if this is an ignorant thought. I am responding to what I see on screen and have only the most rudimentary idea of what that might mean in terms of computer code. Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 1310 NW Naito Parkway #807 Portland, OR 97209-316 land line: (971) 255-1167 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraels.com www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
