Re: [Finale] Fin2006a now available!
On Nov 2, 2005, at 3:02 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: People bought Finale 2006 under the assumption it would work as well as 2005 and then some. It's anything BUT right now.. A lot of contributors to this thread seem to be operating under the assumption that almost everyone in the Finale community purchased 2K6, but I don't believe that is the case. I am one of many who turned down 2K5 and/or 2K6 because the new features offered were not worth the price of the upgrade. Given that 2K6 is so disastrously buggy, and that MakeMusic has made no move to fix it in a timely fashion, I will, obviously, be extremely leery of 2K7 no matter what features it offers, and simply won't buy it until it has been vetted and found clean by its early adopters. I am sure that I am not the only 2K4 or 2K5 user thinking along these lines. Those committed to 2K6 may be stuck for now, but when 2K7 comes out they will be faced with the choice of whether to trade the devil they know for the devil they don't, and a great many will, at the very least, hesitate before (allegedly) upgrading. In other words, MakeMusic's abusive behavior toward its customers is going to turn around and bite them in just a few months. Count on it. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2006a now available!
The only way I'd upgrade to 2007 is for it to have some compelling features. I debated about upgrading to 2006, but they were pushing it (and still are) has having performance gains. Ha! 2007 needs dynamic parts, or something like it. That would be the only thing I'd upgrade for now. I'm not going to be lured into MakeMusic's marketing again. And I am not going to put my system at risk with their crappy installers and crappy testing practices. Andrew Stiller wrote: A lot of contributors to this thread seem to be operating under the assumption that almost everyone in the Finale community purchased 2K6, but I don't believe that is the case. I am one of many who turned down 2K5 and/or 2K6 because the new features offered were not worth the price of the upgrade. Given that 2K6 is so disastrously buggy, and that MakeMusic has made no move to fix it in a timely fashion, I will, obviously, be extremely leery of 2K7 no matter what features it offers, and simply won't buy it until it has been vetted and found clean by its early adopters. I am sure that I am not the only 2K4 or 2K5 user thinking along these lines. Those committed to 2K6 may be stuck for now, but when 2K7 comes out they will be faced with the choice of whether to trade the devil they know for the devil they don't, and a great many will, at the very least, hesitate before (allegedly) upgrading. In other words, MakeMusic's abusive behavior toward its customers is going to turn around and bite them in just a few months. Count on it. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2006a now available!
On 11/3/05, Eric Dannewitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only way I'd upgrade to 2007 is for it to have some compellingfeatures. I debated about upgrading to 2006, but they were pushing it(and still are) has having performance gains.Ha!2007 needs dynamic parts, or something like it. That would be the only thing I'd upgrade for now. I'm not going to be lured into MakeMusic'smarketing again. And I am not going to put my system at risk with theircrappy installers and crappy testing practices. Like you, I have absolutely no plans to upgrade to 2007. Also like you, I *might* consider the upgrade if something like dynamic parts (similar to Sibelius's capability) is added. Even if they add a must-have feature, I will definitely upgrade *only* after others have evaluated the upgrade for at least 4-5 months. If the 2007 upgrade is as unstable as 2006, I won't upgrade even if it has dynamic parts!-- Morris Inouye [EMAIL PROTECTED]Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. --Hanlon's Razor ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2006a now available!
On 3 Nov 2005 at 13:35, Morris Inouye wrote: I have absolutely no plans to upgrade to 2007. Also like you, I *might* consider the upgrade if something like dynamic parts (similar to Sibelius's capability) is added. Even if they add a must-have feature, I will definitely upgrade *only* after others have evaluated the upgrade for at least 4-5 months. If the 2007 upgrade is as unstable as 2006, I won't upgrade even if it has dynamic parts! It's funny how many of you are now coming around to the same position on upgrades that I've *always* had -- don't upgrade until the features are compelling and the upgrade is stable. I've *never* understood the logic of knee-jerk upgrades, as it removes all the customer's power of expression, as well as exposing you to early adopter bugs. I understand that MakeMusic depends on those upgrade revenues, but this is a case where their interests and mine seem to me to be at odds. I'm not going to compromise my own interests just to keep them in business, particularly since enforcing my own interests is the only way I have to discipline them to respond to my needs. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Fin2006a now available!
I share this opinion and resent MM's near-forced-subscription model. I wrote about that earlier but it didn't seem to register. 2006 was the last for me for a while (I should have skipped it--2004 worked ok for me); I will be waiting for compelling notation improvements and/or more thorough VST implementation. *IF* I ever order another Finale upgrade, I will never again be an unpaid beta tester for MM. I will wait for careless bugs to be worked out by the first users. My guess under the forced subscription model is that bugfixes and improvements will be parceled out so that only one or two of any consequence occur each year, regardless of requests or reports. If the one you want is six years away, you are hosed. Fluff can be added at a low marginal cost (in $ and person-hours), and evidently brings large marginal benefits (at least for initial purchases) so we should see an endless stream of that, though I'm not sure what could top the rhyming dictionary. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of David W. Fenton Sent: Thu 03-Nov-05 16:05 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Fin2006a now available! On 3 Nov 2005 at 13:35, Morris Inouye wrote: I have absolutely no plans to upgrade to 2007. Also like you, I *might* consider the upgrade if something like dynamic parts (similar to Sibelius's capability) is added. Even if they add a must-have feature, I will definitely upgrade *only* after others have evaluated the upgrade for at least 4-5 months. If the 2007 upgrade is as unstable as 2006, I won't upgrade even if it has dynamic parts! It's funny how many of you are now coming around to the same position on upgrades that I've *always* had -- don't upgrade until the features are compelling and the upgrade is stable. I've *never* understood the logic of knee-jerk upgrades, as it removes all the customer's power of expression, as well as exposing you to early adopter bugs. I understand that MakeMusic depends on those upgrade revenues, but this is a case where their interests and mine seem to me to be at odds. I'm not going to compromise my own interests just to keep them in business, particularly since enforcing my own interests is the only way I have to discipline them to respond to my needs. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale winmail.dat___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2006a now available!
But I don't have any custom print settings. I'm using the standard settings. Darcy James Argue wrote: Eric, I've seen the crash-on-print thing with Finale 2006 (not 2006a) as well. The solution is to delete and re-create your custom print settings (i.e., delete everything but Standard). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2006a now available!
Just to be sure we're talking about the same thing: In the print dialog, in the Presets pull-down menu, you have only Standard? Hmm. Try maybe creating a new preset, then, and see if that helps? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 02 Nov 2005, at 1:11 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: But I don't have any custom print settings. I'm using the standard settings. Darcy James Argue wrote: Eric, I've seen the crash-on-print thing with Finale 2006 (not 2006a) as well. The solution is to delete and re-create your custom print settings (i.e., delete everything but Standard). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2006a now available!
Maybe if you created some custom print settings and then deleted them? ;-) David Bailey (who is amused by all this mess of Finale 2006 and 2006a and is glad he didn't uninstall Finale2005) Eric Dannewitz wrote: But I don't have any custom print settings. I'm using the standard settings. Darcy James Argue wrote: Eric, I've seen the crash-on-print thing with Finale 2006 (not 2006a) as well. The solution is to delete and re-create your custom print settings (i.e., delete everything but Standard). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2006a now available!
Makes me wonder if people can sue Apple for making a product that gets scratched easily (IE: the Nano), why can't we sue Make Music for providing this POS software? I've already had my Library/Application Support wiped out by the original installer. Isn't that worse than a scratch? Then the software crashes all the time when printing, which Finale 2005 never did. 2005 was really really stable compared to 2006. Wish I knew a good lawyer who could pursue this dhbailey wrote: Maybe if you created some custom print settings and then deleted them? ;-) David Bailey (who is amused by all this mess of Finale 2006 and 2006a and is glad he didn't uninstall Finale2005) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2006a now available!
Eric Dannewitz / 2005/11/02 / 01:57 PM wrote: Makes me wonder if people can sue Apple for making a product that gets scratched easily (IE: the Nano), why can't we sue Make Music for providing this POS software? I've already had my Library/Application Support wiped out by the original installer. Isn't that worse than a scratch? Don't forget: software vs hardware -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2006a now available!
Nope, I'm using a Brother printer. And I do use the standard printer settings. Finale 2006a has taken crashing to a new high, which is nearly every other document. Ryan Beard wrote: Eric, If you're using an HP printer and you are printing from a saved setting, you may want to change the settings to standard. I experience a similar thing on my MiniMac with 1 gig of ram as well. Since printing from the presets in other programs also crashes, I doubt it's a finale issue. Oh, and HP tech support isn't very helpful with this problem either! Hope that helps a little... Ryan ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2006a now available!
This is where the corporate yahoos get to hide behind their license which we all agree to when we break the seal on the CD/DVD and install the software, to wit: there is no implied fitness for any purpose whatsoever, even for the purpose for which you purchased the software. Quoting from their license, which we have all agreed to: THE SOFTWARE AND ACCOMPANYING DOCUMENTATION MATERIALS ARE PROVIDED SOLELY ON AN AS IS BASIS, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND. THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO THE QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE OF THE SOFTWARE AND ACCOMPANYING DOCUMENTATION MATERIALS IS WITH YOU. YOU ASSUME ALL RESPONSIBILITY FOR SELECTION OF THE SOFTWARE AND ACCOMPANYING DOCUMENTATION MATERIALS TO ACHIEVE YOUR INTENDED RESULTS, AND FOR THE INSTALLATION, USE, AND RESULTS OF THE SOFTWARE. IF THE SOFTWARE OR ACCOMPANYING DOCUMENTATION MATERIALS PROVE TO BE DEFECTIVE, YOU, NOT MAKEMUSIC OR ITS DEALERS, DISTRIBUTORS, AGENTS, OR EMPLOYEES, ASSUME THE ENTIRE COST OF ANY AND ALL NECESSARY SERVICING, REPAIR, OR CORRECTION. Basically, they are telling us how f#$cked up we were to purchase this to begin with as if we really thought it would work for music notation purposes without a hitch. But interestingly enough they state THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO THE QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE OF THE SOFTWARE AND ACCOMPANYING DOCUMENTATION MATERIALS IS WITH YOU. yet they claim copyright in their precious code so that we can't even fix it ourselves, if we were so inclined or able to do so. Then they tell us that if the software proves defective (which it apparently has) WE have to assume the entire cost of any and all necessary servicing (we all know who has gotten serviced with this upgrade), repair, or correction. Funny, that's what I had thought we all plunked down our precious money for when we purchased the upgrade. Oh, yeah, I forgot -- We've got f#$cking GPO playback to assuage our bruised souls with while we sit staring at disappearing data and a program that crashes when attempting to print. Well, we did purchase it on an as is basis, and what a sorry as is it has turned out to be! Now for some corporate e-mails where they say nyah, nyah, we got you! Now back to our smartmusic development! Oh well, at least they didn't cripple 2005 when they released 2006! David H. Bailey Eric Dannewitz wrote: Makes me wonder if people can sue Apple for making a product that gets scratched easily (IE: the Nano), why can't we sue Make Music for providing this POS software? I've already had my Library/Application Support wiped out by the original installer. Isn't that worse than a scratch? Then the software crashes all the time when printing, which Finale 2005 never did. 2005 was really really stable compared to 2006. Wish I knew a good lawyer who could pursue this dhbailey wrote: Maybe if you created some custom print settings and then deleted them? ;-) David Bailey (who is amused by all this mess of Finale 2006 and 2006a and is glad he didn't uninstall Finale2005) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2006a now available!
A-NO-NE Music wrote: Eric Dannewitz / 2005/11/02 / 01:57 PM wrote: Makes me wonder if people can sue Apple for making a product that gets scratched easily (IE: the Nano), why can't we sue Make Music for providing this POS software? I've already had my Library/Application Support wiped out by the original installer. Isn't that worse than a scratch? Don't forget: software vs hardware They laugh at software that doesn't work because when you throw it at them it doesn't hurt them (maybe if we filed the edges of our installation CDs into ninja death stars and threw them at makemusic?) but if everybody threw their hardware nanopods at Steve Jobs, he'd get hurt. Software gets to hide behind the it'll never be perfect because we don't feel like making it perfect -- oops what I meant to say was it'll never be perfect because there's too many different hardware installations for us to cope with while hardware is something that even judges and juries understand when it doesn't function properly. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2006a now available!
Y'know, Finale is the only app I have ever seen that doesn't like inkjet printer if you didn't specify the printer driver in the page setup. I don't have this particular problem since my printer is Postscript, but all of my students whose printer is inkjet has had this issue. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2006a now available!
Which is a poor argument. Look, I bought Finale 2006 in order to get new features and better performance. Both of which were advertised. Instead, I received an installer on the Mac side that wiped out a whole directory on my computer, serious performance lags, and huge bugs (ie: my printing issue). How many different hardware installations are on the Apple platform? Does it matter? Wiping out a directory is just plain bad programming on Make Music's part, and laziness or lack of testing as well. People bought Finale 2006 under the assumption it would work as well as 2005 and then some. It's anything BUT right now.. dhbailey wrote: They laugh at software that doesn't work because when you throw it at them it doesn't hurt them (maybe if we filed the edges of our installation CDs into ninja death stars and threw them at makemusic?) but if everybody threw their hardware nanopods at Steve Jobs, he'd get hurt. Software gets to hide behind the it'll never be perfect because we don't feel like making it perfect -- oops what I meant to say was it'll never be perfect because there's too many different hardware installations for us to cope with while hardware is something that even judges and juries understand when it doesn't function properly. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2006a now available!
Ok, I can still hope! EPS WinXP still not working... I guess it will come in Finale 2300...:-( Kurt At 17:34 02.11.2005, you wrote: Eric Dannewitz wrote: Doubtful. As I said in a previous post, 2006a on Mac still will quit out on me. On my MiniMac with 1 gig of ram, it will quit when I go to print. Eric, If you're using an HP printer and you are printing from a saved setting, you may want to change the settings to standard. I experience a similar thing on my MiniMac with 1 gig of ram as well. Since printing from the presets in other programs also crashes, I doubt it's a finale issue. Oh, and HP tech support isn't very helpful with this problem either! Hope that helps a little... Ryan __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2006a now available!
Well, when I went to the site and hit the download button (Mac), an Explorer window opened up filled with program language, the wheel spun for about 3 min, and after the screen went back for a bit, nothing else happened, and there was no installer on my desktop. I tried it twice with the same result...so, what gives? Dean On Nov 1, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: Finlisters: I just got notice from MakeMusic! that the 2006a updater is now available for Windows and Mac. Here is the URL they gave: http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/update.aspx Maybe I'll even be able to use Fin2006 now! -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Silence will save me from being wrong (and foolish), but it will also deprive me of the possibility of being right. ~ Igor Stravinsky ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2006a now available!
Doubtful. As I said in a previous post, 2006a on Mac still will quit out on me. On my MiniMac with 1 gig of ram, it will quit when I go to print. It is good to see that they want to address fluff like GPO instead of stability issues and stuff. Whatever. Brad Beyenhof wrote: Finlisters: I just got notice from MakeMusic! that the 2006a updater is now available for Windows and Mac. Here is the URL they gave: http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/update.aspx Maybe I'll even be able to use Fin2006 now! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
