Re: [Finale] Multiple Time Sigs]
Hi Scott, Thanks for your help. That's the look I want but it would obviously be better if it could be accomplished in a time signature w/out the help of an expression. I experimented with using some other expressions instead of the time signature plus sign, but as far as I can tell, any item used in that slot simply moves the second signature over to the right. For the time being I guess I'll be using your solution. Don Hart on 1/22/05 10:25 PM, Scott Jones wrote: > Don, > > Look at this sample and tell me if this is what you are wanting. If so > this is what I did... > > Create the composite time signature like I suggested earlier. Change > the PLUS to a blank character. You might have to try a few diff. > characters to get the space to work. On my MAC I used character 9 > instead of 8 because 8 was blank including space but 9 worked fine. > Then I went to the expression tool and created the bracket in the shapes > dialog and positioned them accordingly as a solid shape (create two > parentheses and then group them together). > > If this is not what you are looking for then I certainly hope you find a > workaround that you are willing to share with the rest of us! > > On Jan 22, 2005, at 6:28 PM, Don Hart wrote: > >> Thanks, Scott - that's helpful to know. When I first tried it I >> didn't like >> how close the two signatures were to each other (looked like a time >> sig. of >> 93/84), but I enlarged the font size of the space to make it look right. >> >> Gardner Read refers to this and similar situations as combined meters (p. >> 166 of "Music Notation") and puts the second signature in parentheses, >> or in >> the case of 6/8 and 3/4, for example, separates them with an equal sign. >> >> So, is there a way to do this totally within Finale's time signature >> and not >> resort to also using an expression? I tried briefly to do this and >> didn't >> really come up with anything. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Don Hart >> ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Multiple Time Sigs
Thanks, Scott - that's helpful to know. When I first tried it I didn't like how close the two signatures were to each other (looked like a time sig. of 93/84), but I enlarged the font size of the space to make it look right. Gardner Read refers to this and similar situations as combined meters (p. 166 of "Music Notation") and puts the second signature in parentheses, or in the case of 6/8 and 3/4, for example, separates them with an equal sign. So, is there a way to do this totally within Finale's time signature and not resort to also using an expression? I tried briefly to do this and didn't really come up with anything. Thanks, Don Hart on 1/22/05 9:18 AM, Scott Jones at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The easiest way to do it is to create a time signature of 9/8 + 3/4 and > then go in and change the + to a blank character. That will remove it > and also remove the space between the two time signatures and make it > look how you want it to be. > On Jan 22, 2005, at 6:11 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: > >> Horace Brock wrote: >>> What would be the best way to do two time signatures in the same >>> staff? Say you had a triple meter that could be triple-duple or >>> triple-triple (3/4 or 9/8), what would be the best way to put the two >>> side by side at the beginning of the piece? The source has the second >>> sig in parentheses. >>> I thought of creating an expression for the second one (REALLY large >>> parentheses, and not in Maestro). >> >> Good approach, specially if you're using Fin2005. Create the time sig >> in the shape designer, put it in the score as a measure expression >> (reference it horizontally from the beginning of the music, for >> example) and in the measure attributes for that measure, add the extra >> space needed at the start of measure. >> >> If you do this properly, you never have to worry about spacing or >> other side-effects. >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Jari Williamsson >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Multiple Time Sigs
The easiest way to do it is to create a time signature of 9/8 + 3/4 and then go in and change the + to a blank character. That will remove it and also remove the space between the two time signatures and make it look how you want it to be. On Jan 22, 2005, at 6:11 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Horace Brock wrote: What would be the best way to do two time signatures in the same staff? Say you had a triple meter that could be triple-duple or triple-triple (3/4 or 9/8), what would be the best way to put the two side by side at the beginning of the piece? The source has the second sig in parentheses. I thought of creating an expression for the second one (REALLY large parentheses, and not in Maestro). Good approach, specially if you're using Fin2005. Create the time sig in the shape designer, put it in the score as a measure expression (reference it horizontally from the beginning of the music, for example) and in the measure attributes for that measure, add the extra space needed at the start of measure. If you do this properly, you never have to worry about spacing or other side-effects. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Multiple Time Sigs
At 07:37 AM 01/22/2005, dhbailey wrote: >I would only add that you can configure the default appearance of >triplets before you begin to enter the notes and set things so that no >bracket and no number shows up, to make life easier. Or, after inserting your double time sig, you can then define the following measures as 3/4 or 9/8, as appropriate, and then use the Measure Tool to hide all time sigs in those measures. So the 9/8 bars will actually *be* 9/8 bars, not 3/4 bars with triplets with hidden numbers. This has the advantage of making it slightly easier to enter notes, since you don't need to worry about entering the triplets as triplets. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Multiple Time Sigs
Horace Brock wrote: What would be the best way to do two time signatures in the same staff? Say you had a triple meter that could be triple-duple or triple-triple (3/4 or 9/8), what would be the best way to put the two side by side at the beginning of the piece? The source has the second sig in parentheses. I thought of creating an expression for the second one (REALLY large parentheses, and not in Maestro). It would also be necessary, I think, to do the 9/8 bars with triplets with none of the markings showing. No brackets, little 3's, etc. How say you, colleagues? I was going to post some alternate suggestions, but as I was typing them into this message, I realized that what you have come up with is probably the best way of doing things to get proper appearance and proper playback. I would only add that you can configure the default appearance of triplets before you begin to enter the notes and set things so that no bracket and no number shows up, to make life easier. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Multiple Time Sigs
Horace Brock wrote: What would be the best way to do two time signatures in the same staff? Say you had a triple meter that could be triple-duple or triple-triple (3/4 or 9/8), what would be the best way to put the two side by side at the beginning of the piece? The source has the second sig in parentheses. I thought of creating an expression for the second one (REALLY large parentheses, and not in Maestro). Good approach, specially if you're using Fin2005. Create the time sig in the shape designer, put it in the score as a measure expression (reference it horizontally from the beginning of the music, for example) and in the measure attributes for that measure, add the extra space needed at the start of measure. If you do this properly, you never have to worry about spacing or other side-effects. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
