Re: [Finale] O.T. iPads/Kindles/Electronic books for music editions?
Blake Richardson wrote: From: "Dean M. Estabrook" Reply-To: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:32:36 -0800 To: Subject: Re: [Finale] O.T. iPads/Kindles/Electronic books for music editions? I've wondered the same thing myself. I say it won't be long before an ensemble will be playing with E books in front of them instead of paper music ... with some sort of page turning device available, say a foot pedal or such ... The only drawback I can see is that I remember from my playing days, during rehearsals, the conductor was always making slight changes‹ repeating a section only once, even though the music indicated two repeats, or adding a long sustain on some note or beat or whatever‹ and you¹d just pick up your pencil and make the appropriate reminder on your music. Can¹t really do that when the music is on a screen rather than on paper. On the electronic music stands, you can mark the music because there's a touch-sensitive screen. And the conductor can mark it from his stand and it appears in all the musicians' stands. Of course that sort of a setup is extremely expensive. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: Re: [Finale] O.T. iPads/Kindles/Electronic books for music editions?
From: "Dean M. Estabrook" Reply-To: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:32:36 -0800 To: Subject: Re: [Finale] O.T. iPads/Kindles/Electronic books for music editions? > I've wondered the same thing myself. I say it won't be long before > an ensemble will be playing with E books in front of them instead of > paper music ... with some sort of page turning device available, say > a foot pedal or such ... > The only drawback I can see is that I remember from my playing days, during rehearsals, the conductor was always making slight changes repeating a section only once, even though the music indicated two repeats, or adding a long sustain on some note or beat or whatever and you¹d just pick up your pencil and make the appropriate reminder on your music. Can¹t really do that when the music is on a screen rather than on paper. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. iPads/Kindles/Electronic books for music editions?
Hello David! Am 27.01.2010 um 23:53 schrieb dhbailey >: You can't buy a modern book without DRM except for some of the smaller niche market publishers. It will be only a short while before the iPad is jailbroken and ePub eBooks are ripped off DRM. Gerhard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. iPads/Kindles/Electronic books for music editions?
On 1/27/2010 5:15 PM, dhbailey wrote: Actually, Connick's band used electronic music stands, not simple ebook readers. And they have a touch sensitive screen, so you *can* "mark" the music if you wish. Ah, that's interesting. Gets rid of at least one of my objections. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. iPads/Kindles/Electronic books for music editions?
On 1/27/2010 5:09 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: You do know that you can DRAW in these things on a PDF right? There are a couple of FREE programs that let you do that.. Yes, I do KNOW that. It's still more involved than making a couple of marks with a pencil. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. iPads/Kindles/Electronic books for music editions?
The format is free and open -- all that means is that anybody can use it, and all the ebook reader content providers are moving to it. But that doesn't mean it can't be wrapped in DRM, which is what Kindle and Sony and the other ebook reader devices and programs and the eReader program for handhelds do. You can't buy a modern book without DRM except for some of the smaller niche market publishers. Baen (science fiction / fantasy publisher) releases their books, or at least they used to, without DRM. It will be very interesting to see how this all washes out now that Apple has intruded into the field that Steve Jobs insisted wasn't an important field a few years ago. :-) David H. Bailey Eric Dannewitz wrote: Um http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB http://www.epubbooks.com/ Free and Open. I'm not sure what Sony does, but.it's like the AAC format iTunes uses. It is free and open (mp3's successor) but Apple did/does put DRM on it..though nothing I've bought lately has been DRMed from the iTunes store. On 1/27/10 2:10 PM, dhbailey wrote: Eric Dannewitz wrote: I'm not sure exactly what you mean. But I have scanned or have found scanned versions of a TON of books that I use for teaching. They are in PDF format. I'm not sure if a Kindle can read PDFs. The new iPad will. The iBook store uses a format called ePub which is open (unlike the Kindle's).. Open to a point -- I'm not sure if an iPad ePub file can be read on a Sony Reader or if the copy-protection limits the reading of copyrighted materials only to the specific device it's registered to. Sony's copy protection works that way. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. iPads/Kindles/Electronic books for music editions?
Um http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB http://www.epubbooks.com/ Free and Open. I'm not sure what Sony does, but.it's like the AAC format iTunes uses. It is free and open (mp3's successor) but Apple did/does put DRM on it..though nothing I've bought lately has been DRMed from the iTunes store. On 1/27/10 2:10 PM, dhbailey wrote: Eric Dannewitz wrote: I'm not sure exactly what you mean. But I have scanned or have found scanned versions of a TON of books that I use for teaching. They are in PDF format. I'm not sure if a Kindle can read PDFs. The new iPad will. The iBook store uses a format called ePub which is open (unlike the Kindle's).. Open to a point -- I'm not sure if an iPad ePub file can be read on a Sony Reader or if the copy-protection limits the reading of copyrighted materials only to the specific device it's registered to. Sony's copy protection works that way. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. iPads/Kindles/Electronic books for music editions?
Eric Dannewitz wrote: I'm not sure exactly what you mean. But I have scanned or have found scanned versions of a TON of books that I use for teaching. They are in PDF format. I'm not sure if a Kindle can read PDFs. The new iPad will. The iBook store uses a format called ePub which is open (unlike the Kindle's).. Open to a point -- I'm not sure if an iPad ePub file can be read on a Sony Reader or if the copy-protection limits the reading of copyrighted materials only to the specific device it's registered to. Sony's copy protection works that way. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. iPads/Kindles/Electronic books for music editions?
Aaron Sherber wrote: On 1/27/2010 4:32 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: I've wondered the same thing myself. I say it won't be long before an ensemble will be playing with E books in front of them instead of paper music ... Some people are already using them. I think I remember reading an article about Harry Connick's band not too long ago. From a music librarian's point of view, I understand the appeal. All your rep is right there, doesn't take up a lot of room. Need to add bowings? Correct a wrong note? Done and in the parts. But I don't see this catching on with many performers. You can't write on the parts, to put in fingerings or bowings or notes to yourself. You can't stick the music in your case. And you've added one more mechanical thing that could go wrong (very wrong) in performance. What happens when the device freezes and won't let you turn the page? Or won't display the piece you're playing? Actually, Connick's band used electronic music stands, not simple ebook readers. And they have a touch sensitive screen, so you *can* "mark" the music if you wish. Or the conductor can (if the whole orchestra is wired to a server) mark his/her screen and it shows up on the musician's stands. But it's a very different system from these iPad and Sony Reader (my ebook reader of choice) and Kindle and other such devices. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. iPads/Kindles/Electronic books for music editions?
You do know that you can DRAW in these things on a PDF right? There are a couple of FREE programs that let you do that.. On 1/27/10 1:59 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: On 1/27/2010 4:54 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Actually, you can make annotations with a PDF. Sure, if you don't mind drawing a rectangle where you want the annotation, calling up the keyboard, and then typing something. Seems like a lot more work than drawing in a pair of eyeglasses with one hand while the other holds your violin. Or drawing an X next to the systems you need to practice. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. iPads/Kindles/Electronic books for music editions?
On Wed, January 27, 2010 4:32 pm, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: > I've wondered the same thing myself. I say it won't be long before > an ensemble will be playing with E books in front of them instead of > paper music ... with some sort of page turning device available, say > a foot pedal or such ... Kindle 2 supports PDF, as do many other readers. They supposedly display the embedded fonts. I haven't tried it -- not ready for quite so small a display. Don't know anything about Apple's new reader except it also has a small (9.7") display. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. iPads/Kindles/Electronic books for music editions?
There's been an electronic music stand on the market for a long time. For these e-readers, they're all too small for good music reading, but they all handle PDF files, so you can simply print your music to PDF or scan it in, and then make sure it's formatted for whatever page size the readers can handle. I've had 3 different Sony readers over the past 4 years, and the screens are all too small for adequate music reading. I don't know what size the new iPad will be, but if you want electronic music reading, spend the money and buy the electronic music stand -- the screen is a decent size, backlit and therefore easy to read even in a darkened pit, and there's a foot-switch for page turns. David H. Bailey Dean M. Estabrook wrote: I've wondered the same thing myself. I say it won't be long before an ensemble will be playing with E books in front of them instead of paper music ... with some sort of page turning device available, say a foot pedal or such ... Dean, in for Nostradamus On Jan 27, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Hi everyone: I'm curious, can music editions be ported to these new electronic book formats? If so, what's involved? Thank you kindly. Km ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Canto ergo sum And, I'd rather be composing than decomposing Dean M. Estabrook http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 1/27/2010 4:54 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Actually, you can make annotations with a PDF. Sure, if you don't mind drawing a rectangle where you want the annotation, calling up the keyboard, and then typing something. Seems like a lot more work than drawing in a pair of eyeglasses with one hand while the other holds your violin. Or drawing an X next to the systems you need to practice. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Actually, you can make annotations with a PDF. And there is at least one iPhone/iTouch app that lets you do that. Probably more. And I've never had my iPhone freeze. Turning pages could be an issue though. On 1/27/10 1:45 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: Some people are already using them. I think I remember reading an article about Harry Connick's band not too long ago. From a music librarian's point of view, I understand the appeal. All your rep is right there, doesn't take up a lot of room. Need to add bowings? Correct a wrong note? Done and in the parts. But I don't see this catching on with many performers. You can't write on the parts, to put in fingerings or bowings or notes to yourself. You can't stick the music in your case. And you've added one more mechanical thing that could go wrong (very wrong) in performance. What happens when the device freezes and won't let you turn the page? Or won't display the piece you're playing? Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. iPads/Kindles/Electronic books for music editions?
On 1/27/2010 4:32 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: I've wondered the same thing myself. I say it won't be long before an ensemble will be playing with E books in front of them instead of paper music ... Some people are already using them. I think I remember reading an article about Harry Connick's band not too long ago. From a music librarian's point of view, I understand the appeal. All your rep is right there, doesn't take up a lot of room. Need to add bowings? Correct a wrong note? Done and in the parts. But I don't see this catching on with many performers. You can't write on the parts, to put in fingerings or bowings or notes to yourself. You can't stick the music in your case. And you've added one more mechanical thing that could go wrong (very wrong) in performance. What happens when the device freezes and won't let you turn the page? Or won't display the piece you're playing? Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. iPads/Kindles/Electronic books for music editions?
I wonder how do you get the music into a Kindle though? Is there specific software other than say, PDF? On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Lawrence Yates wrote: > Did a gig last year and the soloist did just that. > > Cheers, > > Lawrence > >\ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Did a gig last year and the soloist did just that. Cheers, Lawrence 2010/1/27 Dean M. Estabrook > I've wondered the same thing myself. I say it won't be long before an > ensemble will be playing with E books in front of them instead of paper > music ... > -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I'm not sure exactly what you mean. But I have scanned or have found scanned versions of a TON of books that I use for teaching. They are in PDF format. I'm not sure if a Kindle can read PDFs. The new iPad will. The iBook store uses a format called ePub which is open (unlike the Kindle's).. Sounds like a pretty cool device to me. As an iPhone user, it is really amazing to use the iPhone to go on the web. That is probably THE thing I do the most on it. Plus there are some amazing music apps. On 1/27/10 1:22 PM, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Hi everyone: I'm curious, can music editions be ported to these new electronic book formats? If so, what's involved? Thank you kindly. Km ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. iPads/Kindles/Electronic books for music editions?
I've wondered the same thing myself. I say it won't be long before an ensemble will be playing with E books in front of them instead of paper music ... with some sort of page turning device available, say a foot pedal or such ... Dean, in for Nostradamus On Jan 27, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Hi everyone: I'm curious, can music editions be ported to these new electronic book formats? If so, what's involved? Thank you kindly. Km ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Canto ergo sum And, I'd rather be composing than decomposing Dean M. Estabrook http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
