Re: [Finale] Opening Finale files with Sibelius 4
At 05:29 PM 07/28/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: >On 28 Jul 2005 at 11:52, dennis c. wrote: >> >> http://www.philomela.net/sib/ >> > >Wow, your work is quite beautifully engraved! Not to mention the fact that I'm a real sucker for Centaur, especially when it's used so appropriately. Have you ever seen a copy of the Oxford Lectern Bible, or some other large-format book with Centaur from metal type? There's a certain slight roughness to the characters that electronic versions don't quite capture. Whoops! Sorry -- wrong list. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Opening Finale files with Sibelius 4
On 28 Jul 2005 at 11:52, dennis c. wrote: > Michael Good écrit: > . . . Have a look for yourself here (and anyone > else who's interested): > > http://www.philomela.net/sib/ > > where I put the beginning of two different pieces with GIFs from > Finale 2004 and screenshots of the result imported in Sibelius 4 as > ETF and as XML. The names of the files speak for themselves. Wow, your work is quite beautifully engraved! Anyway, here's my examples of the same thing, from WinFin2K3 to the Sibelius 4 demo: http://www.dfenton.com/Sib/ The ETF import into Sibelius was pretty good. Yes, it has some problems (notably, the sf being the wrong size for some reason, and the misplaced staff names), but it wouldn't take a huge amount of work to get it into publishable condition. And, to be honest, the first system, at least, looks better in Sibelius than it does in Finale (I haven't done final layout on the source file, so it isn't very good engraving to start with), because Sibelius's glyphs just look more attractive to me. Also, you'll note that Sibelius's onscreen display is more readable than Finale's (FoersterX_Finale.gif is a screenshot, while FoersterX.gif is a TIF export) because Sibelius seems to anti-alias the display fonts better than Finale. If I were somehow forced to convert to Sibelius, I'm sure I'd hate it, but I don't think it would be impossible to get my files into printable shape. But I also think it's not all that relevant. I can't conceive of circumstances where this would be required in the first place. If someone wanted to use my Finale files as the basis for a published edition, they'd definitely be making a huge number of changes if using Finale directly, and might even start over from scratch, even in Finale. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Opening Finale files with Sibelius 4
Hi Dennis, > Neither import preserves the layout, nor measure attached > expressions, nor smart shapes (at least not mine) Layout transfer will be improved when using Finale 2006, and even more so with the upcoming version 3 of the Dolet for Finale plug-in. But measure-attached text expressions and smart shapes should transfer via the MusicXML file today. If you'd be willing to e-mail a sample Finale file to me off-list, I would be interested in looking at it to see where the problem may be. Thanks, Michael Good Recordare LLC www.recordare.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Opening Finale files with Sibelius 4
dennis c. wrote: Like many of you, I've been fooling around with the Sibelius 4 demo. Among other things, I tried opening a few fairly simple Finale 2004 files (saved as ETF, as requested by Sibelius), and they are such a mess that they are just about useless. Has anyone actually managed to get decent results? Are there any tricks, such as copying the whole thing into some kind of template (as I'd do in Finale)? For all the touted "openness" of the finale file format, it still needs a lot of debugging and disassembly. Try (if you have any) earlier versions of Finale and see what the results were. When I tried opening a then-current Finale file (I believe it was Finale2003) with the then-current Sibelius (version 2.11) I ran into problems and was told by Sibelius that they were aware of problems opening the most recent version of Finale into Sibelius. The new MusicXML1.1 should make such transfers much better, although it does require you to invest in new Dolet plugins for both Sibelius and Finale to get the maximum benefit. It seems Recordare are really onto something, well on their way to becoming the lingua franca of the music notation world. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Opening Finale files with Sibelius 4
On 27 Jul 2005 at 13:04, dennis c. wrote: > Like many of you, I've been fooling around with the Sibelius 4 demo. > Among other things, I tried opening a few fairly simple Finale 2004 > files (saved as ETF, as requested by Sibelius), and they are such a > mess that they are just about useless. Has anyone actually managed to > get decent results? Are there any tricks, such as copying the whole > thing into some kind of template (as I'd do in Finale)? I believe that MusicXML is recommended over ETF import, but I found that I wanted the performance information to import, and only ETF could do that. In my tests, it wasn't all that bad, but I've got an old version of the Dolet plugin (the version that shipped with Finale 2003), so the comparison is not really fair. On the other hand, my complete inability to figure out how to change the playback instrument of a staff in Sibelius made me prefer the ETF import, which got that right without needing to ask. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Opening Finale files with Sibelius 4
I have been most sucessful at copying my old Finale files to Sibelius by importing them then pasting them stave by stave (triple click on a stave, ctrl+c, then ctrl+v to paste) into a blank, native Sibelius score of the same design as the imported one. That seems to make the file mostly like a native Sibelius file. Then it's pretty easy to clean up, edit, or otherwise change it. One should also be familiar with the many plug-ins that are useful for cleaning up imported files as well as the very sophisticated filtering that Sibelius has. Richard Smith www.rgsmithmusic.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "dennis c." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:04 AM Subject: [Finale] Opening Finale files with Sibelius 4 Like many of you, I've been fooling around with the Sibelius 4 demo. Among other things, I tried opening a few fairly simple Finale 2004 files (saved as ETF, as requested by Sibelius), and they are such a mess that they are just about useless. Has anyone actually managed to get decent results? Are there any tricks, such as copying the whole thing into some kind of template (as I'd do in Finale)? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Opening Finale files with Sibelius 4
I don't think the importing of ETF files into Sibelius works very well. I got pretty good results saving a Finale file as MusicXML and importing that. Michael Cook On 27 Jul 2005, at 13:04, dennis c. wrote: Like many of you, I've been fooling around with the Sibelius 4 demo. Among other things, I tried opening a few fairly simple Finale 2004 files (saved as ETF, as requested by Sibelius), and they are such a mess that they are just about useless. Has anyone actually managed to get decent results? Are there any tricks, such as copying the whole thing into some kind of template (as I'd do in Finale)? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
