Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
On Oct 10, 2004, at 8:30 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: I've uploaded my bracket library to http://files.aaron.sherber.com/brackets.zip for anyone who's interested. It's not a perfect solution either, but it works well for me. The brackets are set to automatically position themselves horizontally. When applying a bracket, click on the *bottom* note of the double stop; you may need to nudge the artic a little bit to get it vertically correct. If the double stop has accidentals, you will also need to nudge the artic horizontally. Feel free to alter/distribute. Aaron. Aaron, I get a Page not found error from your URL. I can edit the URL to get as far as your home page (very nice!) but files.aaron.sherber.com lets me know that there is no browsing on this page. Are you certain of the accuracy of the address? Thanks for the post. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
At 08:44 AM 10/11/2004, Christopher Smith wrote: I get a Page not found error from your URL. My bad -- I uploaded to the wrong directory. The file is now in the right place: http://files.aaron.sherber.com/brackets.zip Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
On Oct 11, 2004, at 9:06 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 08:44 AM 10/11/2004, Christopher Smith wrote: I get a Page not found error from your URL. My bad -- I uploaded to the wrong directory. The file is now in the right place: http://files.aaron.sherber.com/brackets.zip Aaron. Aaron, I was able to download it, but I can't load it into Finale. It actually corrupts my open file when I do load it (FinMac 2005) and I have to force quit, but I can't find any new articulations at all before I do that. Perhaps if you could send an empty Finale file with the articulation library loaded, I could save the library myself, and try to load it that way. If it is any consolation, I have had little luck in sending library files to colleagues. I've usually resorted to the method in the last paragraph. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
I get an 'incompatible file' error - Win2K3 Christopher Smith wrote: On Oct 11, 2004, at 9:06 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 08:44 AM 10/11/2004, Christopher Smith wrote: I get a Page not found error from your URL. My bad -- I uploaded to the wrong directory. The file is now in the right place: http://files.aaron.sherber.com/brackets.zip Aaron. Aaron, I was able to download it, but I can't load it into Finale. It actually corrupts my open file when I do load it (FinMac 2005) and I have to force quit, but I can't find any new articulations at all before I do that. Perhaps if you could send an empty Finale file with the articulation library loaded, I could save the library myself, and try to load it that way. If it is any consolation, I have had little luck in sending library files to colleagues. I've usually resorted to the method in the last paragraph. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
At 10:57 AM 10/11/2004, Owain Sutton wrote: I get an 'incompatible file' error - Win2K3 Well, it is a Win2K4 file -- I didn't realize that libraries were version-specific. You are unzipping the file first, right? Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
Yeah, it's unzipped. It doesn't surprise me that they aren't backwards-compatible, though. Aaron Sherber wrote: At 10:57 AM 10/11/2004, Owain Sutton wrote: I get an 'incompatible file' error - Win2K3 Well, it is a Win2K4 file -- I didn't realize that libraries were version-specific. You are unzipping the file first, right? Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
On Oct 11, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 10:57 AM 10/11/2004, Owain Sutton wrote: I get an 'incompatible file' error - Win2K3 Well, it is a Win2K4 file -- I didn't realize that libraries were version-specific. You are unzipping the file first, right? Aaron. Libraries aren't SUPPOSED to be version, nor platform, specific. I can't open it in FinMac 2004b either. It corrupts my file in the same way (creating a blank multi-measure rest for the first 23 measures or so, and other odd behaviour, indicating most likely a corrupt file.) Yes I unzipped it. It shows up as Bracket Articulation.LIB on my desktop, but Finale doesn't recognise it as a Finale file (no news there, since it came from a PC, it wouldn't have the Mac-specific headers). But when I ask Finale to load a library, select All file types, and open it anyway (which works in most Mac programs to force recognition) I get the behaviour I described. Perhaps a full Finale file, with only the articulation library loaded? I (nor my colleagues) don't usually have any problems with those, especially when zipped. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
At 11:48 AM 10/11/2004, Christopher Smith wrote: Perhaps a full Finale file, with only the articulation library loaded? I (nor my colleagues) don't usually have any problems with those, especially when zipped. Okay. Try downloading the file again http://files.aaron.sherber.com/brackets.zip It now contains a WinFin2004 file with the articulation library loaded, as well as the library itself. Hope this works for you. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:48:57 -0400, Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 11, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 10:57 AM 10/11/2004, Owain Sutton wrote: I get an 'incompatible file' error - Win2K3 Well, it is a Win2K4 file -- I didn't realize that libraries were version-specific. You are unzipping the file first, right? Libraries aren't SUPPOSED to be version, nor platform, specific. I can't open it in FinMac 2004b either. It corrupts my file in the same way (creating a blank multi-measure rest for the first 23 measures or so, and other odd behaviour, indicating most likely a corrupt file.) Yes I unzipped it. It shows up as Bracket Articulation.LIB on my desktop, but Finale doesn't recognise it as a Finale file (no news there, since it came from a PC, it wouldn't have the Mac-specific headers). But when I ask Finale to load a library, select All file types, and open it anyway (which works in most Mac programs to force recognition) I get the behaviour I described. Perhaps a full Finale file, with only the articulation library loaded? I (nor my colleagues) don't usually have any problems with those, especially when zipped. When I attempt to load the library on MacFin2k5, it will cause the first 23 measures (of any score I attempt to load it into) to become one giant blank measure, and nothing is added to the articulation selection dialog. I even tried opening a new Document without Libraries, and the same thing happened. It appeared to work fine at first, but when I tried to enter notes into the first bar it swallowed up the following 22 bars and made the file unusable again. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:00:38 -0400, Aaron Sherber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:48 AM 10/11/2004, Christopher Smith wrote: Perhaps a full Finale file, with only the articulation library loaded? I (nor my colleagues) don't usually have any problems with those, especially when zipped. Okay. Try downloading the file again http://files.aaron.sherber.com/brackets.zip It now contains a WinFin2004 file with the articulation library loaded, as well as the library itself. Hope this works for you. Thanks, Aaron. The Finale file worked, and I could save a usable articulation library from it. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
On Oct 11, 2004, at 12:00 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 11:48 AM 10/11/2004, Christopher Smith wrote: Perhaps a full Finale file, with only the articulation library loaded? I (nor my colleagues) don't usually have any problems with those, especially when zipped. Okay. Try downloading the file again http://files.aaron.sherber.com/brackets.zip It now contains a WinFin2004 file with the articulation library loaded, as well as the library itself. Hope this works for you. Aaron. Great! This works for me now. I opened up the file in FinMac 2004 and 2005, both versions worked, and I was able to save the library and load it into my default file. Thanks very much for that; it was very generous of you. As they are articulations, I can take them into account when spacing, so it makes them very convenient. I should mention that I immediately went in and edited some things to make it more to my taste (like changing the text to 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc., as counting by spaces is less intuitive for me; and turning Avoid Staff Lines off in the placement, as the top horizontal bar kept being masked by a staff line; and moving them a little closer to the chord) but all that work you did is terrific, and you are a true community citizen for sharing it with us. Regards, Christopher ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
At 12:39 PM 10/11/2004, Christopher Smith wrote: I should mention that I immediately went in and edited some things to make it more to my taste (like changing the text to 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc., as counting by spaces is less intuitive for me; and turning Avoid Staff Lines off in the placement, as the top horizontal bar kept being masked by a staff line; This is all somewhat a matter of taste. I agree that counting by spaces is less intuitive, but I think it makes more sense in this case, for exactly some of the reasons you mention. For example, if you had a double stop E4 and G4 on the treble clef, the correct bracket to use is actually the 2 space bracket, which you probably have labeled as a 5th. This will let the bracket extend from just below the E to just above the G. The avoid staff lines checkbox makes sure that the bottom of the expression doesn't collide with a staff line, and picking the right height makes sure that the top doesn't. Note that this changes somewhat depending on what the notes are. If your third is C4 and E4, you should use the 1.5 space bracket, which will go from directly next to the C to just above the E. And if your third is F4 and A4, you actually do want the 1 space bracket (which you've probably got as a 3rd). To me it makes more sense to think of these in terms of spaces (distances) rather than intervals -- I wouldn't think to apply a bracket of a 4th or 5th to an interval of a 3rd -- but as I say, whatever works for you. Glad you find this useful as a starting point. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
On Oct 11, 2004, at 1:13 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 12:39 PM 10/11/2004, Christopher Smith wrote: I should mention that I immediately went in and edited some things to make it more to my taste (like changing the text to 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc., as counting by spaces is less intuitive for me; and turning Avoid Staff Lines off in the placement, as the top horizontal bar kept being masked by a staff line; This is all somewhat a matter of taste. I agree that counting by spaces is less intuitive, but I think it makes more sense in this case, for exactly some of the reasons you mention. For example, if you had a double stop E4 and G4 on the treble clef, the correct bracket to use is actually the 2 space bracket, which you probably have labeled as a 5th. This will let the bracket extend from just below the E to just above the G. The avoid staff lines checkbox makes sure that the bottom of the expression doesn't collide with a staff line, and picking the right height makes sure that the top doesn't. Note that this changes somewhat depending on what the notes are. If your third is C4 and E4, you should use the 1.5 space bracket, which will go from directly next to the C to just above the E. And if your third is F4 and A4, you actually do want the 1 space bracket (which you've probably got as a 3rd). To me it makes more sense to think of these in terms of spaces (distances) rather than intervals -- I wouldn't think to apply a bracket of a 4th or 5th to an interval of a 3rd -- but as I say, whatever works for you. Glad you find this useful as a starting point. Aaron. Thanks for the explanation. I went back and tried it with Avoid staff Lines back on, and sure enough, all worked out exactly as you described it. I WAS using too-short brackets in certain situations, and your method works out perfectly. As is often the case, I learn more about engraving and improve my eye from this list! I STILL can think more easily in terms of intervals, though, so I left the text identifiers as I had edited them. I did find out, though, why you had so carefully kept the text to the RIGHT of the left-most limit of the bracket; it's because hidden text is taken into account for spacing purposes! I discovered this the hard way. Change of subject: On another topic, for those here who use the JazzFont, I discovered a better way to notate a jazz turn (like a classical turn, but in manuscript shape) than the glyph that is included. I tried hand-crafting one in the Shape Designer, and it looked terrible. Then I found a nice one in the Apple Chancery font - the tilde character (~), at 28 points and bold, matches the JazzFont nicely. Some tildes in other fonts are too flat; this one is nice and curvy without the exaggerated curve in the classical turn. While I was at it, I reduced the point sizes for some of the diagonal lines in the articulation library of the JazzFont, which made them shorter AND not quite so clunky. I am really enjoying the enhancements to the default file included with recent versions of Finale; it is MUCH more usable than before. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
At 07:48 PM 10/10/2004, Brian Williams wrote: The Engraver music font, which is automatically installed with Finale, contains 8 vertical square bracket characters in heights from 1 to 4 spaces. They can be accessed on the Mac by typing Opt-# where # = the numbers 1-8. Numbers 1-4 face right and numbers 5-8 face left. You can use these to create automatically-positioning articulations. This is a good start, but the brackets are only in whole spaces (no halves), and only go up to 4 spaces, as you note. I've uploaded my bracket library to http://files.aaron.sherber.com/brackets.zip for anyone who's interested. It's not a perfect solution either, but it works well for me. The brackets are set to automatically position themselves horizontally. When applying a bracket, click on the *bottom* note of the double stop; you may need to nudge the artic a little bit to get it vertically correct. If the double stop has accidentals, you will also need to nudge the artic horizontally. Feel free to alter/distribute. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
At 03:16 PM 10/08/2004, shirling neueweise wrote: but they are dealing with it finally! well, it is at least now on the official finale feature request list (as of july 19, 2004) What official list would that be? ... so far no news on just which version will feature non-copying metatool-assigned shape expressions though. I have to say that I always considered this a feature, not a bug, for exactly the reasons that have been discussed. It is nice to be able to customize one appearance of an expression without affecting all instances. The trade off is, of course, file bloat. If this behavior is altered, I think it should be an option rather than a forced change. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
