[Fink-devel] Re: Package database webpage layout
Martin Costabel [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The first option uses the screen real estate better. The column headers that are somewhat too heavy could be made lighter by replacing the two-liners stablebrversion and unstablebrversion by just stable and unstable. It is clear at this point that the numbers in the columns refer to versions. Also, as has been suggested, some color would be useful, for example like here: http://perso.univ-rennes1.fr/martin.costabel/fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/test/passwd.html Looks great. And so it has been implemented. dan -- Daniel Macks [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.netspace.org/~dmacks --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5047alloc_id=10808op=click ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] Re: Package database webpage layout
At 2:34 + 19/8/04, you wrote: Okay, two layout options now. Both now have more familiar (to users) terms in the headings and clearer structure. The first is just improvements to the visual layout and headings: http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/passwd.html Looks a bit too busy perhaps. The second moves back a bit towards the original and keeps clear stable and unstable divisions, but logically groups the various dists: http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package2.php/passwd Looks clean visually and clear content-wise. Maybe this is the way to go? I like the first version, as it makes a very clear distinction between the binary distribution, and the source distributions. It also avoids the not present for the unstable packages/binary distribution mix. Looks great. If you want to list the maintainers for each version, you could add a line below each package version, but you would then need to put borders on those cells. This might be a bit busy. Kevin Horton --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: Package database webpage layout
Le 19 août 2004, à 17:42, Martin Costabel a écrit : The first option uses the screen real estate better. The column headers that are somewhat too heavy could be made lighter by replacing the two-liners stablebrversion and unstablebrversion by just stable and unstable. It is clear at this point that the numbers in the columns refer to versions. Also, as has been suggested, some color would be useful, for example like here: http://perso.univ-rennes1.fr/martin.costabel/fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/ test/passwd.html Much better, though it does not solve the problem of multiple maintainers Would it be possible to have multiple lines at the end in case of different maintainers? Not in the table, but as it is now at the bottom of the screen. Michèle http://micmacfr.homeunix.org PGP.sig Description: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ceci_est_une_signature_=E9lectronique_PGP?=
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: Package database webpage layout
Le 19 août 2004, à 17:42, Martin Costabel a écrit : The first option uses the screen real estate better. The column headers that are somewhat too heavy could be made lighter by replacing the two-liners stablebrversion and unstablebrversion by just stable and unstable. It is clear at this point that the numbers in the columns refer to versions. Also, as has been suggested, some color would be useful, for example like here: http://perso.univ-rennes1.fr/martin.costabel/fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/ test/passwd.html Apart the maintainer problem, the layout makes a presupposition that all the other fields are identical for all versions, which is not always the case: - Description may vary - Section may vary - License may vary Then I'm not sure colors may be suitable for color-blind people, though I'm in this category and have no problem with them, but there are many different way of being color-blind. Michèle http://micmacfr.homeunix.org PGP.sig Description: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ceci_est_une_signature_=E9lectronique_PGP?=
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: Package database webpage layout
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Re: [Fink-devel] Re: Package database webpage layout
On 19-8-2004 19:29, Michèle Garoche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then I'm not sure colors may be suitable for color-blind people, though I'm in this category and have no problem with them, but there are many different way of being color-blind. If you want to know: find out! I always love the visibone remarks on web layout. And in this case, one www.visibone.com/colorblind they link to this site: http://www.vischeck.com/vischeck/vischeckURL.php As you can see, the colours are suitable. Regards, Freek --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: Package database webpage layout
Michèle Garoche wrote: Apart the maintainer problem, the layout makes a presupposition that all the other fields are identical for all versions, which is not always the case: - Description may vary - Section may vary - License may vary Taking care of this would not be a problem of visual layout, but of database organization and would require some serious coding, I suspect. It would go some way in the direction of debian's package database. They have completely different pages for the different distributions and for each package just a small page with links for the different versions, for example: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=namesversion=allexact=1keywords=passwd Then the page for each version has each and every bit of information one can ever want to have about the package. I am not sure if we want to go down this path. Our public is different (not to mention manpower). Then I'm not sure colors may be suitable for color-blind people, though I'm in this category and have no problem with them, but there are many different way of being color-blind. Yes, on the color layout page referred to by fink.css http://www.pixy.cz/apps/barvy/index-en.html I learned that there are at least 8 kinds of color blindness. But in our case, the colors wouldn't carry essential information, so this wouldn't be a problem. Anyway, I am not sure what this information is good for. Do there exist web sites where you can choose your variant of color blindness and you get pages in different color schemes? -- Martin --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: Package database webpage layout
Le 19 août 2004, à 21:12, Martin Costabel a écrit : Michèle Garoche wrote: Apart the maintainer problem, the layout makes a presupposition that all the other fields are identical for all versions, which is not always the case: - Description may vary - Section may vary - License may vary Taking care of this would not be a problem of visual layout, but of database organization and would require some serious coding, I suspect. I think particularly of packages which have now several variants. Maybe a warning to read the info file for the specific version could be sufficient. Do there exist web sites where you can choose your variant of color blindness and you get pages in different color schemes? Not directly, but there are several stylesheets based on different color schemes and you can choose among them the one which fits best your eyes (handicap or not). Michèle http://micmacfr.homeunix.org PGP.sig Description: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ceci_est_une_signature_=E9lectronique_PGP?=
[Fink-devel] Re: Package database webpage layout
Okay, two layout options now. Both now have more familiar (to users) terms in the headings and clearer structure. The first is just improvements to the visual layout and headings: http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/passwd.html Looks a bit too busy perhaps. The second moves back a bit towards the original and keeps clear stable and unstable divisions, but logically groups the various dists: http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package2.php/passwd Looks clean visually and clear content-wise. Maybe this is the way to go? dan -- Daniel Macks [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.netspace.org/~dmacks --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: Package database webpage layout
Both look good to me, I like the second best, the only thing is that it doesn't take in consideration multi maintainers in multi trees. --- TS http://southofheaven.org Chaos is the beginning and end, try dealing with the rest. On 18-Aug-04, at 8:34 PM, Daniel E. Macks wrote: Okay, two layout options now. Both now have more familiar (to users) terms in the headings and clearer structure. The first is just improvements to the visual layout and headings: http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/passwd.html Looks a bit too busy perhaps. The second moves back a bit towards the original and keeps clear stable and unstable divisions, but logically groups the various dists: http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package2.php/passwd Looks clean visually and clear content-wise. Maybe this is the way to go? dan -- Daniel Macks [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.netspace.org/~dmacks --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: Package database webpage layout
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, Daniel E. Macks wrote: Okay, two layout options now. Both now have more familiar (to users) terms in the headings and clearer structure. The first is just improvements to the visual layout and headings: http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/passwd.html Looks a bit too busy perhaps. I think the use of cell padding makes it easy to understand where cells start and stop without cluttering things up (see below). You find your system on the left column and then just scan along the line to find your available version(s). The second moves back a bit towards the original and keeps clear stable and unstable divisions, but logically groups the various dists: http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package2.php/passwd Looks clean visually and clear content-wise. Maybe this is the way to go? I actually think this makes it difficult to tell what the difference is between '0.7.0' and 'cvs/rsync' because there's no line between them. At first glance it seemed to me that the single table cell read '0.7.0[newline]cvs/rsync'. I tried putting a line between them, but then it looks clumsy. Also, in the 2nd example, all the point distros (0.7.0, 0.6.3, 0.4.1) show 'not present' for unstable in the passwd example used. If I understand correctly, the binary distributions never have an unstable version, so the 2nd example will always have extraneous cells showing 'not present'. Finally, perhaps CVS should not be mentioned in the final layout since rsync is the recommended update method now? Although CVS update is still available, normal updaters aren't supposed to use it, and those that have a need for it should hopefully already understand what they need. If space allows, '(rsync?) Source Distribution' contrasts nicely with 'Binary Distribution. Hanspeter -- The great tragedy of science is the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact. --Thomas Henry Huxley --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: Package database webpage layout
Also, if you change the background color of just the 10.2-gcc3.3 row to #d0, the very pale yellow color clearly separates the three System rows without being obtrusive. Hanspeter -- And when the last last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you - where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? --Robert Bolt, A Man For All Seasons --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: Package database webpage layout
Le 19 août 2004, à 4:34, Daniel E. Macks a écrit : Okay, two layout options now. Both now have more familiar (to users) terms in the headings and clearer structure. The first is just improvements to the visual layout and headings: http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/passwd.html Looks a bit too busy perhaps. The second moves back a bit towards the original and keeps clear stable and unstable divisions, but logically groups the various dists: http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package2.php/passwd Looks clean visually and clear content-wise. Maybe this is the way to go? Yes, this one is far better. Michèle http://micmacfr.homeunix.org PGP.sig Description: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ceci_est_une_signature_=E9lectronique_PGP?=
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: Package database webpage layout
Le 19 août 2004, à 5:39, Hanspeter Niederstrasser a écrit : On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, Daniel E. Macks wrote: Okay, two layout options now. Both now have more familiar (to users) terms in the headings and clearer structure. The first is just improvements to the visual layout and headings: http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/passwd.html Looks a bit too busy perhaps. I think the use of cell padding makes it easy to understand where cells start and stop without cluttering things up (see below). You find your system on the left column and then just scan along the line to find your available version(s). The second moves back a bit towards the original and keeps clear stable and unstable divisions, but logically groups the various dists: http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package2.php/passwd Looks clean visually and clear content-wise. Maybe this is the way to go? I actually think this makes it difficult to tell what the difference is between '0.7.0' and 'cvs/rsync' because there's no line between them. At first glance it seemed to me that the single table cell read '0.7.0[newline]cvs/rsync'. I tried putting a line between them, but then it looks clumsy. Also, in the 2nd example, all the point distros (0.7.0, 0.6.3, 0.4.1) show 'not present' for unstable in the passwd example used. If I understand correctly, the binary distributions never have an unstable version, so the 2nd example will always have extraneous cells showing 'not present'. It could be solved with an 'NA' text. Finally, perhaps CVS should not be mentioned in the final layout since rsync is the recommended update method now? Although CVS update is still available, normal updaters aren't supposed to use it, and those that have a need for it should hopefully already understand what they need. If space allows, '(rsync?) Source Distribution' contrasts nicely with 'Binary Distribution. Some users have no other choice than cvs, and just to ensure that all possibilities are present too. Hanspeter -- The great tragedy of science is the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact. --Thomas Henry Huxley --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel Michèle http://micmacfr.homeunix.org PGP.sig Description: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ceci_est_une_signature_=E9lectronique_PGP?=
[Fink-devel] Re: Package database webpage layout
I would recommend the following headings for end-users: System Binary distribution: Fink version; package version (Now: Point Distribution: bindist; Package) Source distribution: Stable version; Unstable version (Now: Current: Stable package; unstable package) I don't think the terms point and bindist are very well known. Furthermore, the term package is a bit redundant. After all, the table lists a version number, not a package name. Also, it may be a good idea to make the distinction between heading (e.g. Binary Distribution) and subheading (e.g. fink version) more clear. Either visually (add a horizontal line between them) or layout (use different font size or font weight). I accidentially read the headings as Point bindist and Distribution package. Regards, Freek --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
