[Fink-devel] off topic: fink-devel subscribers
A completly off-topic thingy, i just looked through the fink-devel subscriptions and I must say I am always surprised again about some of the domain names used to subscribe. I compiled a brief list of the more well-known ones. while this in no way means that the companies/organizations listed here endores Fink, it does mean that some people working there (or at least having an email address there) apparently are using or watching Fink: apple.com blizzard.com debian.org gnu.org oreilly.com netscape.org sgi.com w3.org Also interesting for me is to see a subscriber from stack.nl, an organization at the TU Eindhoven where I am studying currently. Cheers, Max --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] Re: gettext 0.11.5 for fink
At 14:20 Uhr +0200 22.01.2003, Chris Leishman wrote: On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 01:38 PM, Max Horn wrote: At 13:21 Uhr +0200 22.01.2003, Chris Leishman wrote: Hi Max, I was wondering if you had an opportunity to look at updating the gettext package to the 0.11.5 upstream version? We have discussed this in #fink and in fink-devel in the past. It won't happen anytime soon, because it is binary incompatible to older versions, and updating it will be a mess. But the .so's (or .dylibs actually) should be versioned shouldn't they? As long as it doesn't change the .po format or the API then it should be ok? Sure it would mean restructuring the gettext fink package slightly, because at the moment there is only a single gettext package. You would need separate packages for the shared libs and for the rest. Then you could have multiple shared lib packages installed for the 0.10.40 version and the 0.11.5 version. The user could then choose which of the versions to choose for the rest of the files (and naturally they'd conflict with each other). Actually - after just writing that I saw your msg in fink-devel: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=2226789 I'll try and do some checking into API compatibility if you like - though I'm fairly sure it will be ok. First off, the gettext folks themselves admit they broke some API compatibility, IIRC. Secondly, the problems largely stem from the fact that this is an Essential package. Even if you split it, it will not solve the problem. That easily. More on this in the archives I guess. To sum it up roughly: gettext is essential, and many many things need it, but w/o declaring it so. If gettext 0.11 is 100% source & binary compatible to 0.10, we have no problem, and can stop this dicussion now, and simply update the gettext package to the new version. However, IIRC it is *not* so. If its *not* source compatible, then its going to be ugly, see the URL Chris pasted. If it is source but not binary compatible, the situation is something like this: Let's say we add gettext11 (if its binary incompatible it gotta have a different name). Let's also assume we splitoffize it. Then of course both -shlibs can be installed at the same time. fine, but that's not the issue (but note that we would have to declare both shlibs essential, which is not so nice because then the user has to always build and install two version of gettext when he bootstrap Fink - very ugly). No the complications come from the -dev parts. Quite obviously you can't install both of them at once. Howver, one of the always *must* be installed. I.e. must be Essential. And here comes the problem, only one of them can be essential, since they conflict. A simple "Provides: gettext" in gettext11 won't be sufficient to overcome the problem. Maybe we could get away by "cheating" and declarig gettext to be a dependency of one of the other essential packages, but I am not even sure that would work (during bootstrap time that is), I haven't touched that code for too long, so somebody might want to try it. That pretty much sums up the situation (once again ) Max --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] (no subject)
Folks, if you have a suggestion or request about changing or improving Fink, please either post it to one of the trackers or raise the issue on this mailing list. Do not mail it directly to me. -- Dave Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:23:22 +0100 Subject: New license.. From: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: David Morrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> David could we please add GPL2 to the license list? GPL and GPLv2 do have differences and some choose to license their stuff under gpl2 explicitly. - -d - - Face me and you shall surely perish. From: "David R. Morrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 05:26:09 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New license.. X-Archive: archive/0301/2078 This is something to be discussed on fink-devel. Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:32:09 +0100 Subject: Re: New license.. From: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "David R. Morrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Mittwoch, Jänner 22, 2003, at 11:26 Uhr, David R. Morrison wrote: > This is something to be discussed on fink-devel. Once more I do not quite see the point of discussing this, but please feel free to. - -d --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] Re: [Fink-devel]Adding GPL2 or GPLv2 to the list of allowed licenses
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Mittwoch, Jänner 22, 2003, at 01:52 Uhr, David R. Morrison wrote: Folks, if you have a suggestion or request about changing or improving Fink, please either post it to one of the trackers or raise the issue on this mailing list. Do not mail it directly to me. Actually this was neither meant as request nor suggestion, I would have added the GPL2 myself to the allowed list of licenses, yet I thought it would be more polite if you did it, since it does seem that you have been compiling the list and looking after it. Since the GPL is already on the list this would not mean introducing a major change and thus I did not deem it necessary discussing this with Max or Benjamin. The GPL is allread accepted as license model, it would simply make the whole filed more precise if we could specify the major version as well. Although I agree with David, that general suggestions and requests should be mailed to the mailing list. I hope that clarifies things, I apologise for any confusion caused. - -d - - Face me and you shall surely perish. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQE+LphRiW/Ta/pxHPQRA28TAJ0WuySc9e7NAtMJz61IQik+vBCcYwCgnBHI pKorslpPL3Wh9jMK/ekqtg4= =j0wf -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: [Fink-devel]Adding GPL2 or GPLv2 to the list of allowed licenses
Again, I beg to differ about the importance of this question. Paying careful attention to licenses is one of Fink's strengths. We have very rarely made *any* change in license policy, and the recent change to allow "Restrictive/Distributable" was thoroughly discussed on this list before it was implemented. The only other change I can recall in nearly two years was adding the "GPL/LDP" and "GPL/GFDL" dual licensing options, and I'm not sure anybody uses those in packages. Our use of the "BSD" license category is already pretty loose -- we lump a lot of more-or-less similar licenses together there. I personally don't see a need for any more precision in the GPL license category. -- Dave --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: [Fink-devel]Adding GPL2 or GPLv2 to the list of allowed licenses
On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 08:10 AM, David wrote: Actually this was neither meant as request nor suggestion, I would have added the GPL2 myself to the allowed list of licenses, yet I thought it would be more polite if you did it, since it does seem that you have been compiling the list and looking after it. Since the GPL is already on the list this would not mean introducing a major change and thus I did not deem it necessary discussing this with Max or Benjamin. The GPL is allread accepted as license model, it would simply make the whole filed more precise if we could specify the major version as well. Although I agree with David, that general suggestions and requests should be mailed to the mailing list. I hope that clarifies things, I apologise for any confusion caused. I would assume that the reason he forwarded to the list is because he wanted to discuss the need to explicitly add GPL2. I don't see any reason we need to have it as a choice, it seems as if the list of licenses is purposfully broad so as not to have to list every license type in existence. Not only that, but the docs explicitly state that discussion on adding any new licenses should happen on the list. =) Oh, and by the way, your reponses are still getting messed up by pgp-mime, it seems. I had to open up the text of your mail as an attachment again. :P --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: [Fink-devel]Adding GPL2 or GPLv2 to the list of allowed l
I agree GPLv1 or v2 is still GPL. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Our use of the "BSD" license category is already pretty loose -- we lump >a lot of more-or-less similar licenses together there. I personally don't >see a need for any more precision in the GPL license category. -=[JFH] Justin F. Hallett -=[JFH] Rendek Communications Inc. -=[JFH] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: [Fink-devel]Adding GPL2 or GPLv2 to the list of allowed l
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Mittwoch, Jänner 22, 2003, at 02:23 Uhr, Justin Hallett wrote: I agree GPLv1 or v2 is still GPL. That is not quite correct, go read the licenses you will notice that there are legal implications. This why some authors do explicitly choose to license their stuff under the GPL2 Whereas BSD "Type" license usually implies the main thing. That you can do pretty much "anything" to the source code expect for a. b. c which is then stated in the license. - -d - - "Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing, - - Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream to dream before.." Edgar Allen Poe - The Raven -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQE+LqTliW/Ta/pxHPQRA37uAJ0XGfJVBswxHrWtqDey0Kjv1cjhvQCeJwGU 0m8JSwk1Ip5RoeVbsMc1ZyM= =/NbB -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] Epoch support
In case anybody is interested in working on epoch support in Fink: Sylvain started work on this (see https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=607742&group_id=17203&atid=317203), but there were some issues, and apparently he has no time currently to work on it. So if your are interested in having a stab at this, feel free to do so. You may want to say so here first, though, to avoid duplicate work. I suppose this would be done by adding an "Epoch" field, and then augmenting our version_cmp function accordingly. Furthermore, the epoch must be passed on to dpkg properly, of course. And it would need to be encoded into the .deb file name, too. Cheers, Max --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] Build dir patch
I am going to checkin Chris Zubrzycki's build directory patch real soon now. This will add a new field to fink.conf, so the documentation for that needs to be updated. Maybe Chris can do that himself? Cheers, Max --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
[Fink-devel] Re: Fink-devel digest, Vol 1 #848 - 14 msgs
On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 05:27:03 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Send Fink-devel mailing list submissions to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fink-devel digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the moral equivalent > (Ben Hines) >2. Re: for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the moral >equivalent (Benjamin Reed) >3. Re: for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the moral equivalent > (Ben Hines) >4. Re: for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the moral equivalent > (Ben Hines) >5. Re: Registering fink.fm? (Chris Zubrzycki) >6. HELLO (ismaila shidaku) >7. [OT] Re: [Fink-devel] HELLO (Carsten Klapp) >8. off topic: fink-devel subscribers (Max Horn) >9. Re: gettext 0.11.5 for fink (Max Horn) > 10. (no subject) (David R. Morrison) > 11. Re: [Fink-devel]Adding GPL2 or GPLv2 to the list of allowed licenses > (David) > 12. Re: Re: [Fink-devel]Adding GPL2 or GPLv2 to the list of allowed > licenses (David R. Morrison) > 13. Re: Re: [Fink-devel]Adding GPL2 or GPLv2 to the list of allowed > licenses (Benjamin Reed) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:25:47 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Fink-devel] for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the > moral equivalent > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fink Devel) > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Xavier HUMBERT) > From: Ben Hines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 11:57 AM, Xavier HUMBERT wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hisashi T Fujinaka) wrote : > > > >> it puts things places I don't want > >> (overwriting /usr/bin/head, for example) > > > > Dan't blame CPAN, but Apple with their crappy HFS+, for that... > > > > I expericenced, the same problem, of course :-} > > > > No, DO blame CPAN. Why are they putting stuff in /usr/bin ? That is for > vendor supplied things in any case. > > -Ben > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:34:12 -0500 > From: Benjamin Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Organization: DFT > To: Ben Hines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Xavier HUMBERT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Fink Devel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Fink-devel] for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the > moral > equivalent > > Ben Hines wrote: > >> Dan't blame CPAN, but Apple with their crappy HFS+, for that... > >> > >> I expericenced, the same problem, of course :-} > >> > > > > No, DO blame CPAN. Why are they putting stuff in /usr/bin ? That is for > > vendor supplied things in any case. > > Agtually, blame Apple. Apple's perl is configured to put scripts in > /usr/bin. :P > > > [g4:~/cvs/darwin-kde] ranger% perl -V:installscript > installscript='/usr/bin'; > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:46:43 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Fink-devel] for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the > moral equivalent > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal L. Schwartz) > From: Ben Hines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > On Monday, January 20, 2003, at 04:45 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > > > > Any thoughts on how to do this without breaking everything open? > > > > With the current fink, the way to make a system-* package would be: > > filename: system-perlmodules.info > > Package: system-perlmodules > Version: 1.0 > Provides: gd-pm, algorithm-diff-pm, http-dav-pm (parse the package > names from the output of "fink list --section=perlmods -w=200" and put > them all here) > Type: nosource > CompileScript: echo "Placeholder for all perlmod packages" >> README > InstallScript: echo "none" > DocFiles: README > > (the README is needed because dpkg complains if you have zero files in > a package) > > put that in /sw/fink/10.2/local/main/finkinfo/ and "fink install > system-perlmodules". > > That will work for everything except things that have a "versioned" > dependency on a perl module. (cause you can't "provide" a version with > the current fink) > > -Ben > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:49:46 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Fink-devel] for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the > moral equivalent > From: Ben Hines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal L. Schwartz) > > > On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 01:46 PM, Ben Hines wrote: > > erlmodules.info > > > > Package: system-perlmodules > > Version: 1.0 > > Provides: gd-pm, algorithm-diff-pm, http-dav-pm (parse the > > package names from the output of "fink list --section=perlmods -w=200" > > and put them all here) > > Type: nosource > > CompileScript: echo "Placeholder for all perlmod packages" >> REA
Re: [Fink-devel] Epoch support
On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 07:09 AM, Max Horn wrote: In case anybody is interested in working on epoch support in Fink: Sylvain started work on this (see https://sourceforge.net/tracker/ index.php?func=detail&aid=607742&group_id=17203&atid=317203), but there were some issues, and apparently he has no time currently to work on it. So if your are interested in having a stab at this, feel free to do so. You may want to say so here first, though, to avoid duplicate work. I suppose this would be done by adding an "Epoch" field, and then augmenting our version_cmp function accordingly. Furthermore, the epoch must be passed on to dpkg properly, of course. And it would need to be encoded into the .deb file name, too. I will check it out. -Ben --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
