Longing
This message is from: Mark and Ann Restad [EMAIL PROTECTED] In response to Kristine Werner's experience longing her horse, I had the same problem when working with Dro/y this winter. We had a lot of snow and I was longing him in the only open area, which was not in any enclosure. he also hated it and would buck and occasionally make a break for it and get away. I got the impression that it is way too boring for him- he loves to get out and see things. Anyone's comments would be appreciated but I wont be able to answer for a week as I am heading to Nancy's tonight to look at a mare and spend a week. One note in response to the recent discussion: we Americans especially have to be careful not to be ethnocentric and remember that other people live with many different circumstances in their lives that we ourselves have not experienced. One shouldn't look at one small point in a culture and pass judgement without any more information than that one fact. thanks Ann
Longing...
This message is from: Ingrid Ivic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Kristine and welcome! Compared to Hannoveraners and so on Kai is a real terror on the longe. Oh boy! You've never met the Hannoverian I owned! :o) Ingrid
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This message is from: Beck, Sharon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone have experience using/driving a chariot? Im thinking of getting a chariot instead of a cart. I'm just starting my horse and thought a chariot would be easyer to jump off , it he runs off etc.
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Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #145
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello List ! from slightly cooling off So. California, where I plan on driving my mare tonight! Thanks for all those who dropped by my Fjord Chat, Sun. night on PETSnVETS! Jackie, from Austrailia, who rides a Fjord is becomming a regular, and always is a welcome addition. I have been reading the last few posts regarding culling fjords, with alot of interest. After many years of raising and showing Pygmy Goats, I have a different perspective on the issue, however, a goat, is NOT a horse, and while I got very attached to my does, and even some of the hand raised bucks, I could not bear to slaughter any for meat. Some breeders did. However, I cut most of my male wethers as they were not breeding quality, and always had a market for hand raised babies. Dont know if I could ever call the butcher for one of my equine friends, and dont even like going to the tack auctions locally, because after the tack, they have a horse sale. Of course, its the lame, old, untrainable, horses and ponies that go through there, and I always want to save them all. Instead, I contribute to a horse rescue that buys back as many as they can, saving me from alot of vet and feed bills! Thought that I would modify a well-known recipe from my Good-Housekeeping Book on Elephant Stew , and for those of you who have met me, know of my slightly warped sense of humor, so please take it with a grain of salt. and write Mike May, if you want to yell at someone. ( Gottcha Mike! ) FJORD STEW 200 lbs. of peeled potatoes 150 lbs. of carrots 20 bunchs of celery 15 large onions 10 Bay leafs Salt and Pepper to taste 1 med. Fjord, sectioned 5 lbs. of meat tenderizer Chop up vegtables. Cover with water in large pot and cook with seasonings till blanched. Brown Fjord sections, in Olive Oil, ( healthier ) and add to pot, with tenderizer. Cook till tender. ( Aprox. one week ) Serves 100. Bon Appitite' Lisa P. PS Saskia, missed you since Blue Earth show, on Sun. nights! Dare you to drop by!! LP
Skylark
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd like to announce the arrival of Skylark, Nikki's baby at 4:35 this morning. A beautiful, strapping, strong filly! Couldn't be happier. The placenta is another story. Vet's on his way out to help Nikki. A shot of oxytocin didn't do it. (By the way, she's not unattended, husband is out with them, I just had to come in and announce her arrival! Pamela
Loungeing fjords and Grabb
This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Kristine, Welcome to the list! I agree that loungeing is a great training method. I found with Tank that walk and trot were OK but that he had a lot of trouble with the canter. I think it was matter of balance. Tank could canter in a straight-away, but had a lot of trouble on a circle. He would buck and pull out and otherwise not cooperate. He is better now, but still very lazy (as a protest I think) on the lounge line. Tank still tends to launch himself into a canter but is learning the balance. He is fine in the cart, it is under saddle he still has a little difficulty - with practice this is getting better (without so much rain it would be better still). Part of his early problem was that as a young horse he was kept in small areas and never really had a chance to canter. When he was four, he had to the opportunity to be in some really large pasture and could really go. That, and getting him to canter out on the road finally gave him the opportunity to learn how to balance himself - but he still doesn't like a circle or even an arena for that matter. We are working on this. Grabb is Tank's grandsire. His son, Grabbson, is still standing at stud for Phyllis and Tim Hamlett in Strawberry Point, Iowa. Grabbson belonged for most of his life to Bill Steavenson of Fontenelle, Nebraska. Bill passed away two years ago and he was a long time friend of Harold Jacobson's. Cynthia Madden, Coordinator Office of Sponsored Programs Research University of Nebraska at Omaha EAB 202, 6001 Dodge Street, Omaha, NE 68182-0210 Phone: (402) 554-2286 FAX: (402) 554-3698 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Welcome to Christine
This message is from: Werner, Kristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Saskia - I live near the one on the Main. I have also been to Leuven - about 15 years ago - I know it rather well, actually! Belgium is a beautiful but smallish country - I really enjoyed myself there. You are right about the longing exercise. We do have a so-called round-pen at our stall. The only thing is that it is not fully closed - but as you said, you just have to find objects of a larger proportion to seal off the area. I am sure that Kai would run around me - why not ? Without that pesky longing rope pulling at his soft head, life is certainly more comfortable - there goes his reason for bucking. You are right ! I am going to try that tonight !! How old is your kitty ? Did you break her in yourself ? -Original Message- From: saskia [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dienstag, 18. August 1998 14:08 To: fjordenlijst Subject: Welcome to Christine This message is from: saskia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Welcome to the list Christine!!! Which Frankfurt do you live nearby, am Main or am Oder??? (The first makes you even closer a neighbour than the last, I live near Leuven, Belgium). As to longeing, did you try longeing without a longe? I always do that and it is much easier (especially for a very lazy and awkward person - myself). I made a sort of ring of 11 by 11 meters, put myself in the middle (I walk small cercles) and let Kitty run. First I used a longeing-whip, that I held behind her, higher to go quicker, lower to slow down, but now my arm is enough. It's a good exercise and not so boring when you put it full of games! For example, as soon as I duck down, Kitty knows she can come to me and get a hug or a cookie. So she keeps very attentive, always looking if I'm not preparing to duck... The book of Klaus Ferdinand Hempfling (Tanzen Mit Pferden) was very helpful to me. Hope to hear more about you and Kai (nice name!), Saskia (and yes, it is raining and grey here in Belgium again!)
Welcome to Christine
This message is from: saskia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Welcome to the list Christine!!! Which Frankfurt do you live nearby, am Main or am Oder??? (The first makes you even closer a neighbour than the last, I live near Leuven, Belgium). As to longeing, did you try longeing without a longe? I always do that and it is much easier (especially for a very lazy and awkward person - myself). I made a sort of ring of 11 by 11 meters, put myself in the middle (I walk small cercles) and let Kitty run. First I used a longeing-whip, that I held behind her, higher to go quicker, lower to slow down, but now my arm is enough. It's a good exercise and not so boring when you put it full of games! For example, as soon as I duck down, Kitty knows she can come to me and get a hug or a cookie. So she keeps very attentive, always looking if I'm not preparing to duck... The book of Klaus Ferdinand Hempfling (Tanzen Mit Pferden) was very helpful to me. Hope to hear more about you and Kai (nice name!), Saskia (and yes, it is raining and grey here in Belgium again!)
RE: Culling Fjords
This message is from: Werner, Kristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, Saskia - in Germany it is also common to have horses slaughtered that just simply don`t fill the bill anymore - for whatever the reason. You can get up to DM 500 for your sickly or unwanted animal. I think that is disgusting, too, but there are so many ways in which human handling of God`s creatures is wrong and appalling. Breeding standards in Germany are also very stringent. I have heard that the French go so far as to even kill fjords that are born of a whitish or greyish color. Here, those are the most expensive ones !! -Original Message- From: saskia [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dienstag, 18. August 1998 12:45 To: fjordenlijst Subject: Re: Culling Fjords This message is from: saskia [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just looked up what culling meant... until now I presumed it was another word for eating... :-) I must have missed some of the first, non-culinary postings! As to culling, I agree about selecting the horses you breed. And I agree that geldings are very good promotors of the breed. I never would have bred Unna, because she had summer-eczema. And Sybren is growing out to be a very nice little stallion, but he will be a very nice gelding too. The question of gelding him or not is not yet the question (?). As to putting animals to sleep, for me that is something you only do with deadly ill animals or animals that represent a danger for human beings. I was shocked to read on the Dutch horse-list that they consider it so normal to send wounded horses to the slaughterhouse, because that way they get some money for the meat and dead the horse will be anyway. Well, in this matter everyone should decide for him/herself. Saskia
RE: Welcome to fjordhorse
This message is from: Werner, Kristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everybody - I`m new now to the Fjord Mailing List as of today and thought I would introduce myself and my pony. My name is Kristine and I live near Frankfurt, Germany. My horse`s name is Kai, from Kvest Halsnaes. He just turned four in May. I have been riding him and having him ridden since November of last year. What a joy he is !! But I must admit, as willing and sweet-natured as he is under saddle and going for walks, he hates to be longed ! I wonder if any of you have experienced the bucking and kicking Fjord horse trying with all his might to get out of doing this exercise. Compared to Hannoveraners and so on Kai is a real terror on the longe. I am wondering whether he will ever get used to it. I suppose it is boring and he thinks it is senseless - but I am convinced of it`s virtues. What do you think ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dienstag, 18. August 1998 10:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Welcome to fjordhorse -- Welcome to the fjordhorse mailing list! Please save this message for future reference. Thank you. If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send the following command in email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: unsubscribe Or you can send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe fjordhorse or from another account, besides [EMAIL PROTECTED]: unsubscribe fjordhorse [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. [Last updated on: Thu May 28 15:33:33 1998] You may choose to receive fjordhorse in either digest format or as individual messages. If you are currently receiving individual messages and would prefer to receive a daily digest, send the following command in e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: set digest If on the other hand, you are currently receiving the digest format and would prefer to receive individual messages, send the following command in e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: set nodigest fjordhorse is an open forum dedicated to the discussion of all subjects relating to the Norwegian Fjord horse. The primary subject of the list is the Fjord horse, but the list is open to the discussion of any related equine issue. Typical subjects may include selection, breeding, care, training, and use of Fjord horses. Postings of competitions and clinics, and for sale ads relating to horses and equipment are welcome. Non-related commercial ads, chain letters and flaming will not be tolerated. Personal experiences, discussions of training techniques, good advice and pleasant conversation are always welcome here. View the list as an opportunity to sit around the kitchen table with friends and discuss Fjord horses over a pot of good coffee. Remember that people do take comments personally--that's what makes it so fun to be with them. Before posting an angry response, sleep on it. Go ahead and write it up before you forget what you want to say, but don't hit the send button until the next day. Then reread what you have written as if it were directed toward you. If you wouldn't be hurt go ahead and send it. Otherwise you might want to reword your message. Discussion and disagreement are accepted on this list, derision is not. Even if you intend to mostly lurk on this list, please introduce yourself when you first subscribe. It's fun for everyone to know everyone else on the list. Tell the rest of us about yourself and your horses. Where do you live? How many horses do you have? What activities do you enjoy with your horse? And whatever else you think the folks sitting around the virtual kitchen table would like to know. Saskia Schoofs from Belgium already has a Web site up and running to compile a who is who from these introductions. You can view it at: http://fjord.hypermart.net/mail/ To send a message to the list address it to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you are replying to a message that has been previously posted just hit the reply button on your mail program. I would remind you that if you reply to a message, you can make others on the list happy by making liberal use of you mail program's block and delete capabilities. The rest of us received the same message and probably need to see only a sentence or two to establish the context to which you are replying. Please be sure that your e-mail program is set to send messages in plain ASCII text format. Some programs default to sending messages in HTML or some enhanced-text format. While these messages look very nice when viewed by someone using the same program, they often look like pure garbage when
Re: Culling Fjords
This message is from: saskia [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just looked up what culling meant... until now I presumed it was another word for eating... :-) I must have missed some of the first, non-culinary postings! As to culling, I agree about selecting the horses you breed. And I agree that geldings are very good promotors of the breed. I never would have bred Unna, because she had summer-eczema. And Sybren is growing out to be a very nice little stallion, but he will be a very nice gelding too. The question of gelding him or not is not yet the question (?). As to putting animals to sleep, for me that is something you only do with deadly ill animals or animals that represent a danger for human beings. I was shocked to read on the Dutch horse-list that they consider it so normal to send wounded horses to the slaughterhouse, because that way they get some money for the meat and dead the horse will be anyway. Well, in this matter everyone should decide for him/herself. Saskia
