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This message is from: Frederick J. (Fred) Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the message I received from Ortho-Flex Fred Pack -Original Message- From: Ortho-Flex Saddle Co., Inc. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 7:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Ortho-Flex Dear Sir, Thank you and we are currently working on the site. Hopefully it will be up and going soon. Thanks Kris At 11:17 PM 9/20/98 -0700, you wrote: Dear Sir, If you are NOT associated with Ortho-Flex, please forgive and ignore this message. Many of us are unable to access the Ortho-Flex web site. When http://www.Ortho-Flex.com is requested, a Forbidden message appears. I have been able to access the site before, but not for the last two weeks. A proud owner of a Tempi Ortho-Flex saddle, Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wilkeson, WA
Re: Carol's Comments
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sharon L. Falck) Hi Fjord Lovers, I have been reading the responses to Carol's letter. Her comments, as far as I am concerned, were right on target. I served on the NFHR Board for three years and was dismayed to learn, at that time, that there was no operating budget . If some one had a pet project they brought it to the board and asked for funds. Sometimes it was even after the event had taken place and the persons requesting the funds assured the board they were truly representing the breed on behalf of the NFHR. I know a budget committee is now in place and hopefully they will set some guidelines for requesting funds to promote the breed at Horse Fairs sponsored by the various state Horse Councils, Equitana and anyother event. As Secretary-Treasurer of the Midwest Fjord Horse Club I receive many inquiries(50-60 per year) from people who are interested in knowing more about the breed and in joining our group. When we formed the MWFHC, one of the first things we did was to develop a brochure to send to people making inquiries and to use at our regional events. We did it in color, with less written information than is in the NFHR publication, but with many colored pictures showing the horse being used in many different ways. We distributed 10,000 of these brochures the first two years. We are now on our second printing(revised edition) and have distributed about 5,000. When we discussed new brochures for the NFHR there was always the concern about the cost. I gave them the name of our member who had printed ours and told them to contact him. To my knowledge the contact was never made. We have made arrangements for Wayne Hipsley to present a clinic at our winter meeting February 6 7th in Galena, IL. At this point the title of the clinic is Handling and Preparing the Fjord Horse for Judging. If any of you are interested in coming please contact me and I will send you the registration information . There will be a fee of $20 for MWFHC families and $35 for non-member families. When Bill and I started looking for Fjords we talked to several breeders, attended the Blue Earth show and read everything we could get our hands on. I know that other people have done the same , therefore , I think it is time we have accurate information available from our breed registry, the NFHR. Sharon .
Promotion, tack
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Information Architecture) I think that the idea of a video is excellent. I would love to see a PROFESSIONAL video showing off the Fjord Horse and its ability. Show Gayle Ware, Anne Appleby, Kit Davis or the Boes and their draft horses, Vivian Creigh and her advanced driving pair, the Jensens, there are a lot of people with extremely well trained horses out there. We have a lot of horses that are well trained and that can DO things -- show them. Show our good stallions. Show some scenes from the shows and evaluations, but don't let that drag on. As some of you might know, I have a couple of Icelandic horses as well as the Fjords. The breeds are similarly (and often inaccurately) marketed and many buyers I've spoken with have looked at both breeds. But the marketing and promotional position of the Icelandics is SO MUCH BETTER than the Fjords. There are 6 or 7 videos out -- IN ENGLISH, PROFESSIONAL, 1 hour plus! There is a series of 5 books on the horses and breeders in Iceland, talking about the lines, etc. ALL IN ENGLISH. There are other picture books, plus some xeroxed type books on shoeing the Icelandic, training the Icelandic, etc. There are full color posters showing Icelandic gaits, Icelandic colors, Icelandic evaluated stallions, etc. There are frequent articles in horse magazines, there are ads. It's not all good, and some of it is related to the fact that more people are making significant money off Icelandics than from Fjords, but I think that the Fjord community (and registry?) needs to do more. We need some materials to show people what our horses can do. And it needs to be well done. The videos I've seen of Turlock and Libby are ok, but they're not nearly professional enough, and no one really wants to just watch a show. A video needs music, narrative, and photographic excitement. The other thing is I've read a lot lately on people wanting special tack for Fjords. A lot of times regular tack will fit a Fjord, it's just not the tack commonly stocked in tack stores. Anyway, I am currently in the process of buying an all purpose/eventing type of saddle and I've found a wonderful resource, especially for those computer junkies -- it's www.horsemall.com, phone number 1 800 888 8721. They sell a WIDE range of English (dressage, all purpose, close contact, polo, you name it) and Western saddles at extremely good prices. What's better is that they will mail you the saddle for $28.50 postage, let you TRY IT FOR 2 WEEKS, and then have UPS pick it up for free if you don't like it/doesn't fit your horse, etc. And they will ship you another saddle to try for free. Plus they make saddles, and will custom fit your horse, refit the saddle to fit the horse or you, etc. The saddle I think I'm getting is stuffed with a sort of synthetic padding that molds to fit the horse -- I was suspicious of such things, but am quite happy with it. So far, it seems to fit my Icelandic mare and all the Fjords, including the wide-backed, witherless model, does seem comfortable to them (and to me), and really does remold. The people are very nice to deal with and have a good reputation with everyone I've spoken with. Take a look at their web site, and give them a call. I thought it would be difficult to buy a saddle mail order unless I knew what I wanted exactly, but it's not all that bad. They listen, they know what a Fjord looks like (do you have the model with or without withers? was one of the first questions they asked) and they try. Happy Fjording. Becky Vorpagel
Request also.
This message is from: Evers [EMAIL PROTECTED] !! I would love to get a copy of the archived Fjord email list. Having been involved with Fjords for just a bit over a year now, and on this list only for several months, I'd like to catch up on all the information that's been flowing through from the beginning. Thanks, Pamela I am also requesting a copy. I am sure its a book by now of good information needed by all the new owners of these wonderful horses. Dun Looking' Fjords Tillie Evers
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #185
This message is from: Arthur and Carol Rivoire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi! This message is from Carol at Beaver Dam Farm, Nova Scotia. I have a couple of points to make regarding the discussion about the NFHR doing more to aid breeders and owners, ie - PROMOTION EDUCATION. I'd also like to add another goal to that list - PROTECTION of the breed. I feel, and so do others apparently, that the NFHR isn't moving forward as well as it might to promote and protect the breed, and to educate breeders and owners. I'd like to see the NFHR hire a Consultant; namely, Wayne Hipsley, as this man has a diverse background helping other breed associations, and also has a very specific knowledge of the Fjord breed. Wayn'e expertise wouldn't be free, of course, but I feel it would be money very well spent. All of us would benefit, and the horses would benefit. Is there any good reason why forty or fifty thousand dollars should be sitting in the NFHR's bank account not doing anything for the horses, breeders, and owners? I wish somebody would answer that. That's all I'm going to say for now on that subject. The other point I'd like to make is I think the show organizers have done a good job at setting a certain tone for the shows; that of a low-key family show. This atmosphere is very comfortable and very attractive and appealing to some newcomers. I think we should strive to keep the family atmosphere and the friendly atmosphere. Of course, this is all to the good and is appropriate to our special breed of horses. --- However, as good as this basic premise for our shows is . . . it could be improved to service the needs of all the owners and breeders who want to attend the shows. For instance, the in-hand classes. Even though the in-hand classes at the shows are not Evaluations, they are still important for breeders. -- I would like to see a list of all horses in the halter classes included in the show program . . . A separate insert, if that's what works. - So, here's the important part! Each horse being shown in-hand should have his sire, his dam, and his dam's sire listed as well as the name of the breeder and his location. That is the only way the spectators can possibly learn anything about Fjord breeding. --- This information s hould also be read on the loudspeaker, at least for the ribboned horses. I also think that the sire and dam, and the dam's sire should be required for all horses appearing in the Fjord Herald. This is an extremely effective educational tool, and the way it's done in Holland. I get the Dutch Studbook's quarterly magazine, and since I can't read Dutch, I content myself with studying the pictured horses and in the process learning a lot about what different stallions produce. I can do this because each horse in the magazine is identified by name, AND by his or her sire, the dam, and the dam's sire. I have suggested this last bit several times to show committee people both at Libby and Woodstock. Nobody seems to see the value in it . . . but I can tell you that I've stood at the rail with spectators and heard them moaning that they couldn't tell what they were looking at with no pedigree information provided. Several people in the dog showing world have been astounded at the way we do things. Best Regards from Carol at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia.
Re: Ido :o)
This message is from: fjord ido [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all! o, thank you thank you. i'll tell you something about him: i bought ido two years ago an he was at that time 8 years old and very fat. he is a 146 cm high gelding and he has a very strong will of his own (a REAL fjord). This summer I passed a week-end with Ilona and Ido and so she announced I had to ride Ido. Knowing his reputation (he once jumped on top of a car with Ilona), I was rather nervous (I'm not very heroic) and mounted him all pale and shivering... (this is a little exaggerated, but you have an idea of my feelings!). Well, as soon as I was in the saddle, I felt totally at ease. I have never felt so safe and happy on a horse I never rode before. He took big steps and is a fast mover, but so nice and smoothly... I really love him! Thank you Ilona and Ido! Saskia become a member of his fanclub, saskia: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/9592/ido.html ido loves you too! i am making a english version of my homepage too, so that everybody on this list can understand it. ido really has changed in two year yuo know. he is more willing to pleasure me now than in the beginning. only when he is in a bad mood he can be annoing. but, well, who isn't sometimes in a bad mood... it can happen to me too! grettings, ilona __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re[4]: Carol's comments
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:25 AM 9/24/98 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike-- Thursday, 24 September 1998, you wrote: This is important, because if someone wants to take his or her Fjord to an open show that is conducted under ADS rules, they can easily throw a blanket across their knees to satisfy the apron/lap robe requirement. They surely can come up with a pair of gloves and a hat somewhere. They probably are already use a whip when they drive. But if their horse can't deliver three good trots, they might as well stay at home. If it is so easy to do then why not just DO IT??? Because Mike, if we try to do it those for whom the ADS is evil incarnate will holler that the family fun show is being destroyed and it won't happen. If we just ask for three trots, people will learn what's expected in the outside world and we won't have to mention ADS. Whatever == Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Webster, NY, USA (Suburb of Rochester) Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Carols comments, shows and organization
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 11:52 PM 9/23/98 -0600, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Information Architecture) 1. Concerning shows. I am aware that the NFHR does not sponsor any of the shows, but I think it might be a good idea if they did. I would not like to see them restricted to NFHR-registered horses, nor would that be a good idea cost wise, but most breed registries sponsor at least a nationals (or world) show as some call it and many sponsor regional shows as well. I think that this would contribute to the professionalization of our breed. Let Libby and Woodstock be as they are, but perhaps the registry could start by setting standards for shows and approving shows as NHFR-approved (like AHSA approved or ADS approved. We wouldn't even have to have the registry sponsor entire shows, perhaps classes would do, that somehow counted for points towards regional or national awards. I am not sure that all of the groups take advantage of it or not but the NFHR DOES sponsor classes at the shows. I know they sponsor classes at the Woodstock show. I am not sure about the Blue Earth show as a lot of it is paid for by the County Fair. So I am not sure they even accept sponsorships. I know it was offered to the Libby show, I don't know if it was accepted or not. It was also offered to the Turlock show. I think I like the NFHR Approved Show classification. If the show organisers want to run it our way then they could use that in their programs etc. The regional or national awards are also a good idea. The NE group does have a program like this. It allows for lots of different catagories of showing and encourages the showing in open shows as well as 4H etc. It is a great way to get people out showing their horses. One of the benefits of this, if the registry did it, would be to obtain and provide a blanket insurance policy for a show and the actual show producer could ask that their show be covered under that policy (perhaps for a small fee). I have produced 2 Fun Days and insurance for each event cost me $350! Obviously, you can't run too many events that way. Yes insurance is always a problem. Another good idea Becky. But there's more... 2. If we were to have regional shows, we would need regions. Most breeds have the country divided up into regions. The, we would need at least one organization in each region that would be the official NFHR-affiliate. For example, the Promotional Group might want to be that for one region (or it might not)...Fjordings West for another The establishment of regional groups would give us personnel to run a show in a region. The Fjord Herald could have a regional report in each issue for that region. Regions could be used to accumulate points for the nationals or whatever...Plus, it would give new Fjord owners a clear local organization to belong to -- I'm in Oregon and right now I don't know if I should tell people to belong to the Promotional Group or to Fjordings West or to both. It would be much easier if Oregon were officially covered by one region. Well we don't have any well defined Regions yet. So far our regions have sort of been defined by quanity of horses in the areas. For instance if we had a southeast region we would have a real problem getting more than a handfull of horses to a show. Brian Jacobsen would be pretty lonely. I do think that as we progress this will have to happen though. For now though I would join the ones that are closest to me or that have the most activity. I belong to both the NE the midwest groups. 3. We need a rulebook (or to adopt the rulebook of other organizations). For the NFHR. I've mentioned this to people and it's mostly fallen on deaf ears, but there was some confusion at the Oregon Evaluation over tack -- what was allowed, what wasn't, was what was being used legal or not? If it were written down, that would be the end of it. For example, at a breed show, what's a two-year old? Aged by date of birth or having an official birthday on Jan. 1 of the next year (like most breed registries do, so that a baby born in October turns 1 the next January). Some people might go by the AHSA standard, but I can guarantee that others do not. If it were written down, it might be clearer. And what of tack -- can we use snaffles on older horses shown Western? or must they be in a curb bit? Is training tack allowed? I'm not talking about silver show saddles -- I would hate to see the breed go that direction -- but are we having breed shows that accept schooling tack? If we are, fine, but let's decide and write it down. I agree that if we are going to have such a thing as an NFHR Approved Show then we need a rule book to go along with that. As to the confusion at the Oregon Evaluation - I didn't see it as confusion. We do have rules for the Evaluation. The confusion you are talking about was cleared up by the Technical Delegate (me in that case) My
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This message is from: Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Becky Vorpagel..Hear, Hear! Becky has some wonderful ideas contained in her comments. I whole heartedly agree with the adoption of an existing Associations rule book. There is too much excellent work out there to, as Becky says, reinvent the wheel. The level of professionalism and safety apparent at any horse show is in great part determined by show rules and the enforcement of such by the Ring Stewards. I also agree with the developement of regions. A few of us in the Southwestern region have been putting together a survey/questionaire regarding the developement of such an organization. Hopefully, this will be mailed out next week to those NFHR members in our region. It came about since we are slowly growing down here but are geographically isolated from the current Fjord events. A regional group would allow us to attempt to host clinics, shows, evaluations, etc at a location which is reasonable for our isolated NFHR members. Those officers of NFHR I have contacted via phone have provided much useful info and have willingly supported the idea. If anyone resides in the Southwestern region of the US and is not listed in the NFHR members listing, please send me with your snail-mail address and/or e-mail address. We would like to get a copy of the survey/questionaire to you. I can be reached at Salt Lick Stables @505-722-6118. Josie Larson
Re[4]: Carol's comments
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike-- Thursday, 24 September 1998, you wrote: This is important, because if someone wants to take his or her Fjord to an open show that is conducted under ADS rules, they can easily throw a blanket across their knees to satisfy the apron/lap robe requirement. They surely can come up with a pair of gloves and a hat somewhere. They probably are already use a whip when they drive. But if their horse can't deliver three good trots, they might as well stay at home. If it is so easy to do then why not just DO IT??? Because Mike, if we try to do it those for whom the ADS is evil incarnate will holler that the family fun show is being destroyed and it won't happen. If we just ask for three trots, people will learn what's expected in the outside world and we won't have to mention ADS. -- Steve McIlree Cynthia Madden -- Pferd, Keyah, Skipper, Tank -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA There is no secret so close as that between a rider and his horse. --Robert Smith Surtees(1803-1864)
Re[3]: Carol's comments
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 01:58 PM 9/23/98 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't want to beat this to death, but you are following the divergence from the point that Tom started. Nobody really cares about turnout, those of us who usually show ADS are already wearing our skirts. The woman who started the whole discussion simply stated that she thought that we should START ASKING FOR THREE TROTS. I am steeped in ADS rules, and that (three distinct trots) is the only change I would like to see made to what exists. Read what I wrote above. We don't need to change the classes we have, just make sure we're showing well trained pleasure driving horses. I may be wrong, but I believe that that's all any of the pro-ADS people are asking. But why do it half way? This is important, because if someone wants to take his or her Fjord to an open show that is conducted under ADS rules, they can easily throw a blanket across their knees to satisfy the apron/lap robe requirement. They surely can come up with a pair of gloves and a hat somewhere. They probably are already use a whip when they drive. But if their horse can't deliver three good trots, they might as well stay at home. If it is so easy to do then why not just DO IT??? Carol, do you see the problems we are about to be up against if we try to tell the local groups how to run their shows? Mike == Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Webster, NY, USA (Suburb of Rochester) Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #183
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 12:25 PM 9/23/98 -0300, you wrote: This message is from: Arthur and Carol Rivoire [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - Regarding comments to my message of today in which I suggested that our Registry, the NFHR, could be doing more for its memebers in the areas of EDUCATION PROMOTION. Mike May commented that I was confused in thinking that the NFHR ran the shows. -- Yes, that's possible. However, I feel that whether or not the registry is actually running the BREED SHOWS across the country, it should, as the governing body of the Norwegian Fjord breed, have a positive influence. . . A GUIDING INFLUENCE . . . on the standards of the show. For example - All horses should be pure-bred Fjords and registered with an approved registry. - All horses must be properly presented (manes cut, clean, groomed) - No abusive handling of horses - No unsafe equipment allowed - Horses and handlers tacked and dressed appropriately. Those are just my preliminary thoughts that could be used as guidlines from the NFHR to the BREED SHOW organizers. -- This comes under the heading of EDUCATION. -- Also, I understood at the Libby Annual Meeting that all the shows, except Libby, were NFHR sanctioned. Well I am not sure what NFHR sanctioned means really. I do know that the Woodstock show is only open to NFHR registered horses or horses registered with a Foreign Registry.This allows our Canadian registered neighbors to show also. The Blue Earth show as far as I know will allow any registered Fjord to show. I know Libby's is open to amy of the Registries. I am not even sure that they require the horses to be registered. I have never been to or know anything about the Turlock show. But it is also a combined show with the Icelandics I believe. I wish it were actually possible for us to have as much power as you think we do. I do agree that we should make suggestion to the show organisers. We however can't force them to follow any of them. A possibility could be that if we did give each of the shows a to be determined amount of money to hold the show if they followed our guidelines. As to the statement above: For example - All horses should be pure-bred Fjords and registered with an approved registry. Approved by who? The show organiser of the NFHR? So, how could the NFHR help its members show appropriately? Well, it could publish EDUCATIONAL pamphlets informing newcomers to the breed, and to showing, just what is expected at open shows and at breed shows. That would be just one of the EDUCATIONAL pamphlets the breed could publish. Another could be on proper GROOMING. Another on proper FEEDING. On basic HEALTH CARE - FOOT CARE - WORMING - VACCINATIONS I think these all are good ideas. But other than maybe Grooming Feeding is it really any different than any other breed? Worming Vaccinations can also be a bit specific to different areas of the country. But I do agree with the concept. Now all we need is the volunteer(s) to write them up and get some pictures to go with them. I can't speak for the BOD but I am pretty sure something like this would not have a problem with funding. - Lists could be made available of books and videos and magazines helpful to Fjordowners.These suggestions would be so simple to implement, and not very costly. And before the directors start decrying cost - Well since the only book I know of written in English anyways is yours I think we have a pretty short list. In fact I can keep that list in the back of my head. I have sent people looking for books your way Carol. I have one more thing to say today - Steve mentioned that it was too bad all the DIRECTORS OF THE NFHR are not on the List. Well, I guess! BUT, WHY AREN'T THEY? This is the information age, afterall, and what better way is there for the Directors to know what owners and breeders are thinking than for them to tune into the exchange of information and ideas this List generates? It should be REQUIRED READING for NFHR directors! Well I just found out last night that Stoors Bishop now has a PC. It isn't hooked up yet but it will be soon. Now all we have to do is get him on the Net. As of right now the following BOD members have email: Catherine Lindsay Julie Will Keith Brighton Marcy Baer Roger Cabic Susan Davies Lindsay Sweeney That is 7 out of 9 Storrs is about to join us. Now we have to get them to join the list. So far Julie Marcy Baer are on it. I will send all of the rest of them the instructions for joining the list. Mike
Re: Ido :o)
This message is from: saskia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all! o, thank you thank you. i'll tell you something about him: i bought ido two years ago an he was at that time 8 years old and very fat. he is a 146 cm high gelding and he has a very strong will of his own (a REAL fjord). This summer I passed a week-end with Ilona and Ido and so she announced I had to ride Ido. Knowing his reputation (he once jumped on top of a car with Ilona), I was rather nervous (I'm not very heroic) and mounted him all pale and shivering... (this is a little exaggerated, but you have an idea of my feelings!). Well, as soon as I was in the saddle, I felt totally at ease. I have never felt so safe and happy on a horse I never rode before. He took big steps and is a fast mover, but so nice and smoothly... I really love him! Thank you Ilona and Ido! Saskia
