Re: Horse Whispers-or Horsefeathers?
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---Bushnell's [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ruthie, I have also read Monte's book. Have not read the magazine article defaming him, but I imagine it is like most other things. There is more that one way to do a thing. If you are successful doing a thing (moreso than others, say) then you will make enemies and they will try to detract from your success. I have used some of his ideas re: horse body language and found it works. If it works for me I use it, if not I don't. Not all methods work for all people or for all horses. This I learned from Wil Howe, another horse trainer - not a whisperer, a real trainer. He says to take what works for you from each person's method you study and make your own method. Works for me. Cheers, Mary == Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Yippee! Alaskan Cold snap breaks!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/13/99 21:18:08 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tomorrow it is supposed to get as warm as + 10 or even warmer! (just love thos Plus signs!) Maybe I'll get the snow blower out and clear some trails and clean out the little arena! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, ZERO Degrees at 8:00 PM with 8 hours 18 minutes of daylight! I sense some excitement here g Glad things are warming up for you. Soon you'll have that late, late daylight that I love and you can ride your ponies at midnite if you like. Sorry about the moose. Poor momma. Pamela
Yippee! Alaskan Cold snap breaks!
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] The temperature here in Fairbanks reached the Zero mark for the first time in three weeks today, after the 3rd longest cold snap on record! It would have broken the record if it hadn't warmed up to -19 degrees the last two days. It was -41 Degrees F. just yesterday morning, and down to -35 lst night. But Today, it really warmed up! I was walking around the shopping center parking lot with no hat, no gloves and my coat open and Comfortable! The four Fjords all sacked out in the sun. Now the problem is getting some of that weight off that they gained over the last three weeks with all that extra hay and some extra grain.. I have already cut back on the grain, and reduced the number of hay feedings. As far as myself, I also have to cut back..but I got to the Athletic club today to work out and swim. What a great day! Now to attack the vast accumulation of POOP! As you can imagine, when you feed twice the hay, you get twice the poop! I had been concentrating most of it into a big pile in the corral, but of course Adel has to get in the middle of the pile of frozen balls and dig for the scraps of hay, spreading the pile out as she paws through it. You'd think she was starving! The rest of the winter should be a breeze! Bright sunny days, a gorgeous Aurora shimmering across the skies at night. All the trees were decorated with a beautiful coating of snow and hoar frost, which will fall off when it gets much warmer. One of my pair of moose which had frequented the haybarn got hit on the road right by my property, and I saw the survivor wandering around looking rather lonely. I think it was the calf that got it. When a moose is killed on the road here one of the several crews which salvage the meat for charities is called immediately to come butcher the animal. The meat is given to various charities such as the Rescue mission, bread Line, churches, etc. which feed the poor and needy families. Believe it or not, Stella is actually starting to shed a little! The Daylight is increasing by 7 minutes a day. They have an awlful lot to shed however! Tomorrow it is supposed to get as warm as + 10 or even warmer! (just love thos Plus signs!) Maybe I'll get the snow blower out and clear some trails and clean out the little arena! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, ZERO Degrees at 8:00 PM with 8 hours 18 minutes of daylight! Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Horse Whispers-or Horsefeathers?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/13/99 15:41:14 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I read Monty's book The Man Who Listens to Horses and thought it was a pretty good book - an interesting biography. I also read the article in Horse Rider and was rather surprised at how it shot down just about every aspect of his bio. I dunno about this article. I was brought up in the Hollywood type environment and know that whenever somebody makes it, there are a hundred vultures with no talent ready to tear down those who do have talent (one of the reasons that National Enquirer exists, I would imagine). I've heard other negative things about Monty, and really can't say they are right or wrong. But a long time ago I worked for him. He was a good horseman, and was very kind to me. In the short time I worked for him (was helping get horses ready for his St. Patrick's Day Sale at Hollywood Park) he taught me a lot of stuff that I still use to this day. And told me some of the stories that are now in his book. BUT some of those stories have taken a slightly different twist than when he told them to me those many years ago. I would assume that he is just a great storyteller. There are threads of truth to the stories and points he's trying to make, but changing a little twist here or there makes the reader/listener want more. Nothing wrong with that in my book. But then again, I may be unduly influenced because my ex is an independent filmmaker, and I saw the poetic license that is sometimes needed to make a mundane story saleable. Pamela
More Monty Roberts
This message is from: Jon A. Ofjord [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess I have to go with the pro-Monty bunch. I read his book and also found it quite fascinating. Especially his description of watching wild horses using the language of Equus among themselves. I have used his methods on my horses and have been suprised and pleased at the results. They were just as described in the book. His methods of round pen use caused the horses to focus on me. Also, on another horse forum, there has been some other discussion on people defaming Monty Roberts. From what I understand, a lot of the defamation was from other members of his family. They apparently stated there was no abuse between Monty and his father. They didn't like the exposure he gave the family because of the book. I believe there is some good information in the book, at least in my case. It made the interactions between horses eaiser for me to understand. Most training methods that I've come across explain HOW to do something, but this was the first time anyone had explained WHY it worked. Since I am not a horse trainer, this was of interest to me. I have since used The language of Equus on my horses and they do understand it. (I have a hard time getting my ears to lay back, though)vbg Just my nickles worth. Mary Ofjord North Coast Fjords
Re: Horse Whispers-or Horsefeathers?
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are quite right Steve, when it can be done that way. I was referring to the filmed story of his attempt to break a wild horse out on the prairie. It was tedious to me and dangerous work and the horse really was not tamed as I recall. Jean -Original Message- From: Steven A White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, February 13, 1999 4:05 PM Subject: Re: Horse Whispers-or Horsefeathers? This message is from: Steven A White [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, I think the point was why use cruelty when you can just as easily get good results with kindness. Many horses have been injured and killed when they were force broken. I have seen in person Monty Roberts start a green horse that wasn't even halter broke and have a person riding him around a ring within 25 minutes. I personally knew the man who owned the horse, so I know that it wasn't a hoax. 25 minutes doesn't seem like a lot of trouble to me. -Steve White Waterloo, NE On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 13:06:35 -0800 Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well I for one thought his way of handling wild horses was an attempt to prove himself right and his father wrong. nothing wrong with that. The movie showing him working with a wild horse over a period of days made me wonder if the old cowboys did not save themselves a lot of trouble by their methods of breaking. Having ridden many cow ponies who were broken in less than gentle means I found them reliable and not afraid of humans. There is more than one way to do all things. Jean Gayle Wash. state -Original Message- From: Bushnell's [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, February 13, 1999 11:40 AM Subject: Horse Whispers-or Horsefeathers? This message is from: Bushnell's [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just read a feature piece in the February issue of Horse and Rider entitled Horse Whispers-or Horsefeathers? in which Monty Robert's best seller, The Man Who Listens to Horses is maligned. A cowboy hero bites the dust, as many of his accounts are discredited. We were both originally favorably impressed with the book (although felt it had a lame conclusion) but it must be theorhetically correct insofar as horse taming is concerned. What do you think? Ruthie Bushnell
Re: Horse Whispers-or Horsefeathers?
This message is from: Kate MacGillivray [EMAIL PROTECTED] I read Monty's book The Man Who Listens to Horses and thought it was a pretty good book - an interesting biography. I also read the article in Horse Rider and was rather surprised at how it shot down just about every aspect of his bio. Regardless of whether or not Monty fabricated and embellished much of his life, I was still blown away at the way he handled and joined up with the horses we saw at a demonstration in Ottawa. I don't think there is any dispute over his horsemanship. Kate
Re: Old Heralds
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] That looks like a collection fo barbed wire!! Jean -Original Message- From: Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FjordHorse-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 9:49 PM Subject: Re: Old Heralds This message is from: Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Beth wrote ... .,;:- .,;:- .,;:- .,;:- .,;:- .,;:- .,;:- .,;:- .,;:- .,;:- What in the world were you saying? It's just a design ... in my mailbox my things look different on a new message than they do once they go through the mail. I don't know why the 'brains' made it that way. In this case, it obviously looked better before I sent it!=:-o v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v ~^+=~^+=~^+=~^+=~^+=~^+=~^+=~^+=~^+= ooxooxooxooxooxooxooxooxooxooxooxooxooxooxoo pqbdqpbdpqbdqpbdpqbdqpbdpqbdqpbdpqbdqpbdpqbdq ~ Meredith in Soddy-Daisy TN (who doodles in 'puterese)
Re: Horse Whispers-or Horsefeathers?
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well I for one thought his way of handling wild horses was an attempt to prove himself right and his father wrong. nothing wrong with that. The movie showing him working with a wild horse over a period of days made me wonder if the old cowboys did not save themselves a lot of trouble by their methods of breaking. Having ridden many cow ponies who were broken in less than gentle means I found them reliable and not afraid of humans. There is more than one way to do all things. Jean Gayle Wash. state -Original Message- From: Bushnell's [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, February 13, 1999 11:40 AM Subject: Horse Whispers-or Horsefeathers? This message is from: Bushnell's [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just read a feature piece in the February issue of Horse and Rider entitled Horse Whispers-or Horsefeathers? in which Monty Robert's best seller, The Man Who Listens to Horses is maligned. A cowboy hero bites the dust, as many of his accounts are discredited. We were both originally favorably impressed with the book (although felt it had a lame conclusion) but it must be theorhetically correct insofar as horse taming is concerned. What do you think? Ruthie Bushnell
Horse Whispers-or Horsefeathers?
This message is from: Bushnell's [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just read a feature piece in the February issue of Horse and Rider entitled Horse Whispers-or Horsefeathers? in which Monty Robert's best seller, The Man Who Listens to Horses is maligned. A cowboy hero bites the dust, as many of his accounts are discredited. We were both originally favorably impressed with the book (although felt it had a lame conclusion) but it must be theorhetically correct insofar as horse taming is concerned. What do you think? Ruthie Bushnell
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #352
This message is from: Joel a harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] The get from Trygve (Grabbson x Ljosa) have been lighter in the front end from him but the mares were lighter in the front end. They do have lots of feather but not the heavy ankles cannon bone like Trygve. different subject DVMs please correct me if I'm wrong. It's the endophytes in certain strains of fescue that may cause mares to abort. It only seems to be a problem when fescue hay has been cut too late. I don't know of any problems in the pasture. Talk to your local extension agent. There are endophyte free strains of fescue available. Happy Trails Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: Old Heralds
This message is from: Starfire Farm, L.L.C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v ~^+=~^+=~^+=~^+=~^+=~^+=~^+=~^+=~^+= ooxooxooxooxooxooxooxooxooxooxooxooxooxooxoo pqbdqpbdpqbdqpbdpqbdqpbdpqbdqpbdpqbdqpbdpqbdq ~ Meredith in Soddy-Daisy TN (who doodles in 'puterese) Thanks, Meredith, my 'puterese is not so easy. Don't want to miss out on any hidden meanings! Beth
