Re: Web pages, anyone?
This message is from: Laurie Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] My site is just a personal homepage, but I have lots of pictures of fjords there. Feel free to pass it on if you like. Laurie Laurie's Equine Images http://www.angelfire.com/wa/torshome - Original Message - From: Nathan Lapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 7:19 PM Subject: Web pages, anyone? This message is from: Nathan Lapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] A lady who saw our Fjords and loves them asked if there's a web page she could look up on the breed. I've seen several good pages from list participants but didn't save the addresses. Would anyone care to post again so I can forward them to the interested lady? Bernadine, I have yours, and sent it to her already. Also, is it a good idea to share this list address with anyone interested? Barbara Lyn Lapp
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone know if there is an official brand or logo for the Fjord? I'm thinking of the ones used for various warmbloods, Holsteiner, Dutch, etc. and would really like to find one for the Fjord if there is such a thing. Elaine Olsen
Re: Equitana Script Idea
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Alex, If we can get enough people involved, it would be fantastic to have you do the costumes! You have some really good ideas which I am sure can be put to wonderful use. The problem I see is the numbers of people and horses we would need. Two drivers/four horses, 13 women acting as valkyries/13 horses, PLUS the two warrior bands. I would think 10 a piece there. That totals 35 people and 37 horses! This does not even take into consideration the expertise needed on behalf of the riders, nor the training which would be involved. BUT, it would make an awesome display of the Fjords, I would think! As I said previously, it is just an idea I had while shoveling manure :). Other, more experienced Fjord people would have to take it over. Lynda Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm
Re: fjordhorse-digest V99 #95
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve, Would you please post the price for the t-shirts? Thanx, Gayle Ware Field of Dreams Eugene, Or
Re: fjordhorse-digest V99 #95
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/1/99 3:03:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gayle it was great meeting you too. I don't think I would worry about where Dusty might have been, where he is is terrific. Jean Thank you, too, Jean. I appreciate that! Gayle Ware Field of Dreams Eugene, Or
Re: fjordhorse-digest V99 #95
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/1/99 3:03:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes kudos to Gayle and Dusty. Not only is Dusty a great rep for the breed, (he is the old fashioned style build from Norway but still is extremely athletic) but Gayle has the talent and energy to help him reach that potential. I remember seeing some one's home video on some Fjords at Libby and showing it to Dusty's breeder when I bought my stallion Jovan from him. I said, if my horse grows up to be like that one I will be a happy Fjord owner. The breeder looked at me and smiled. Don't you know who that stallion is? He asked. I didn't. He said, That stallion is Jovan's full brother Dusty. I felt pretty lucky then and a few years down the road, after seeing Joe's offspring, I still do. I have not had the pleasure of meeting either Gayle or Dusty in person yet, but I am assuming that Dusty has a very level headed and sweet temprament that Joe does too. I have to say thanks to Gayle too because she is a very informed breeder of horses and she has been so helpful to me over the past few years in sharing her knowlegde of Fjords. Thank you for the kind words, Misha. I hope we get to meet in person someday. Gayle Ware Field of Dreams Eugene, Or
Web pages, anyone?
This message is from: Nathan Lapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] A lady who saw our Fjords and loves them asked if there's a web page she could look up on the breed. I've seen several good pages from list participants but didn't save the addresses. Would anyone care to post again so I can forward them to the interested lady? Bernadine, I have yours, and sent it to her already. Also, is it a good idea to share this list address with anyone interested? Barbara Lyn Lapp
Re: Equitana Script Idea
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Lynda (et al), This is from Alex Wind, in VA, hot muggy days, cool evenings. Your script for wild Fjord exhibition at Equitania sound very good, full of imagination and great costume possibilities. I have long thought about a primitive get-up for a costume class. Bridle made of leather thongs, little animal skulls and other charms and totems tied to reins. Me dressed as a valkirie, with (fake) animal skin leggings laced on and wild hair braided with bells and trinkets, face painted blue (?) and arm bands, possible horns on helmet. I would be willing to help make costumes. Your problem would be getting sufficient practice time, with people bringing their Fjords from all different directions. Sounds very wonderful and full of entertainment possibilities. A great way to establish how calm Fjords are, if they could bring this off, with all the accompanying sturm und drang Dry ice in water makes great mist, but you would have to have a dress rehearsal, so everybody was ready to not exactly see their footing at times. Keep up the good thinking!
Re: remedial riding, part 2...
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brigid, Maybe thy're bored? Or I suppose their feet could be sore, except my horse never have sore feet after shoeing with my farrier...but it IS a possibility. Have they learned to go forward when ground driving with a touch of the whip on the side where the leg would go? go back to basics and reinforce your leg, with a touch of the whip if they don't respond. They should think of the whip as a signal and correction but not be afraid of it (I carry one on trail rides and Bjorken knows that he's supposed to keep his head out of the grass...but I can brush mosquitoes off of him with it and he know I'm using for that..not to signal him!) You maybe should ground drive them to see how they move, and reinforce your command to go forward, Then if they seem ok (not foot sore, and moving forward,) ride them and use the riding whip to reinforce the go forward command from your leg. (Squeeze your legs..if no response tap with the whip, no response tap harder till he moves, then go back to the leg...don't just kick and kick..They get dull to the leg..don't use the whip all the time either..Don't tap all the time. and go back to the lightest tap that will bring a response. Leave them alone when they are moving forward..Maybe your balance was telling them to stop. Hope this helps, Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, another gorgeous (hot) day! 85 degrees Today they both decided to walk halfway around, then stop and refuse to move. I decided it was best to dismount and end for the day, rather than get upset and confuse all three of us. Could their feet be sore from the new shoes, or are they just pulling a fast one on me? In either case, what should I do? Brigid in CA Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Doubling
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somehow I see a flaw in these direction.. Grab a handful of mane and the left rein tightly Are we talking about Fjords here?..With their manes trimmed? :) Yup. Trimmed to arch a little, maybe 3 to 4 long at the middle of the neck. OK, so maybe that lesson was when Sleepy's mane had grown out a little between trims ;-) But, I can usually find enough hair to grab mane when going up a steep slope! For doubling, all you need to do is stabilize that hand, mid-neck. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. ---
remedial riding, part 2...
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Happy Fjording to All! Anvil's Tommes Rafael are doing very well. They just had new shoes and their sheaths cleaned (yuck!) yesterday. I have ridden both bareback, with a loose ring snaffle. We have walked around the arena, done a few circles/figure-8's, fast/slow pace, and of course whoas : ) Today they both decided to walk halfway around, then stop and refuse to move. I decided it was best to dismount and end for the day, rather than get upset and confuse all three of us. Could their feet be sore from the new shoes, or are they just pulling a fast one on me? In either case, what should I do? Brigid in CA
Re: Doubling
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Somehow I see a flaw in these direction.. Grab a handful of mane and the left rein tightly (plus the right rein, loosely), mid-neck. Now, with the right hand, Are we talking about Fjords here?..With their manes trimmed? :) Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, 85 degrees and sunny (too hot for this northerner!) Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Doubling
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought doubling was doubling the horse back on himself, i.e. letting go of one rein and pulling back to your knee with the other. I'm probably all wet. I was taught a variation on this for doubling. If you just yank on one rein, you can pull the bit thru the animal's mouth, which can make the problem worse. (For purposes of illustration, visualize that we're doubling to the right.) Briefly hold both reins in the right hand, while you run the left hand down both reins, to about the middle of the horse's neck. Grab a handful of mane and the left rein tightly (plus the right rein, loosely), mid-neck. Now, with the right hand, take hold of the right rein, in front of where it goes thru your left hand, and haul backwards on it---you may need to let the right rein slip thru the braced left hand a little. Your braced left hand gives you a place to push, as you pull with the right, giving you a little more oomph. By trapping the left rein when you grab mane, you keep the bit from pulling thru the horse's mouth, and the rein action tends to pull the nose both in to the chest and rightward. In theory, the horse feels off balance, so slows to turn and not crash. (However, I'm told it doesn't work with mules, who can still run forward, or even leftward, with the nose pulled around to the right!) cross your wrists over each other - and plant each fist on the opposite side of the neck (with rein in fist) at about midneck. [...] The effect is the horse's movement as he gallops pulls strongly and intermittently on the reins. I've gotten a similar effect by just steadying myself by putting my hands down on either side of my mare's withers, with reins in clenched fists. (No, she wasn't bolting---just doing a gentle canter when I wasn't expecting it---bareback.) When her head motion, running into the bit with the movement of the stride, annoyed her sufficiently, she dropped back into a trot. ;-) Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. ---
Re: Doubling
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] I thought doubling was doubling the horse back on himself, i.e. letting go of one rein and pulling back to your knee with the other. I'm probably all wet. Is what you are talking about the same as a pulley rein. (which will stop Gunthar in a snaffle- at least when he has just begun to run - not sure about later when his head goes down to balance and then..). I actually can't remember very well how I did it, but, as I remember, you cross your wrists over each other - and plant each fist on the opposite side of the neck (with rein in fist) at about midneck. The reins go from bit, crossing over the crest and being planted in the neck on the opposite side. The effect is the horse's movement as he gallops pulls strongly and intermittently on the reins. Hmm - my trainer was just trying to get me to bump and release - with a nice strong bump and a good release - this is exactly what would happen with a pulley rein - only the horse would be providing all the strenth - you just provide the fist braced into the neck. Same thing as you are talking about? Gail When riding, a bolt can be stopped by doubling the animal---asking for a sudden reverse of course. It involves planting one hand mid-neck, grasping one rein and mane, then using the other hand/arm/back to pull back firmly on the other rein. Neither of our large, stiff, drafty Fjord geldings was able to resist it. Even Rom, bolting on the trail from a coat monster was easily doubled to a halt by our trainer. (I had a bit of trouble practicing doubling, as Sleepy helpfully stopped whenever I leaned onto his neck to initiate the maneuver!) Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. --- Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Equitana Script Idea
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone, I was asked by another member to expand on my thoughts of the Valkyrie script for Equitana. She liked it and thought I should post this to all of you to get your take. I am going to assume this is an indoor arena, where we can control the lighting...also, as for music, I was thinking of possibly a very strong theme, such as Warsaw Concerto, or something along those lines. The opening scene would be complete darkness and quiet. From one end, we would hear the slow walking of horse hooves. A dim light would appear BEHIND the noiseeventually getting brighter and brighter as the chariot appeared. This would be driven by a woman with long, blond hair. She, the chariot, harness, etc., would all be costumed in white and gold. If possible, she should be cloaked in a HUGE, billowing cape which spreads far out behind her and the chariot. The sun, lighting, would be behind her, following her and the horses across the ring. She would eventually go from a walk to a trot, then an extended trot out the other side of the ring. She is the sun. For this part, two white or yellow duns would be perfect. Also, to be mythologically correct, there needs to be a shield between the chariot and the horses. This shield protects the horses from the actual heat of the sun. The reason for the sun is to enhance the mythological concept, AND to reaffirm the fact the Norse only battled in the light of day. We could somehow have a Viking ship prop on the side of the ring, sitting in water. Now, regardless what anyone says, Norse did not NORMALLY fight on horseback, but we can certainly ad lib. Usually they fought on foot, with the belief of the Valkyries being on horseback. Anyway, the warriors would awaken, then off load their mounts, getting ready for the upcoming battle. They would toast the gods with drinking horns and wait for the enemy. The other group of warriors would THUNDER in from the side, and the battle would commence. Before the battle actually began, however, one warrior from our side would throw a spear over the heads of the opposing host. This depicts this battle is an honorable one, and also tells the gods all souls are a sacrifice to them. After this action, the battle really begins. Here, we would need the music and soundtracks of horses hooves, swords striking each other, etc. After the battle is started, we need to create a mist on one side of the ring. Valkyries ALWAYS appear from either the sea or clouds. At this stage, we would need LOUD thunder and hoof sounds, accentuating the Valkyries approach to the battle scene. When the women and their horses appear (13) through the mist, they have to literally appear to be wild! They need to scream, yell, ride around crazily, etc. If they could do this as a group all the better! For instance, gallop, whirl, that sort of thing. An absolute perfect entrance would be through mist somehow jumping over something so that when they appear, they seem to be coming DOWN from the clouds. Maybe a better idea would be for them to ride a ramp and jump off? The Valkyries all would need long blond hair, and dressed in white gowns with golden corsets, swords, and shields. I will research more on their appearance, if needed. These women and their mounts will get involved in the battle, a few collecting slain warriors behind them and thundering off into the mist, one or two will be jumping from their mounts to ride behind a chosen warrior, and a few others will be using their swords to stop the enemy swords from hitting the warrior they are protecting. The rest will continue to be hollaring and riding through and around the battle looking for more souls. When the battle is complete, the Valkyries will, as a group, wheel around and thunder back out of the ring through the mist, screaming and yelling as they go. At this point, on the same side as where the sun appeared, a very dark chariot, with a dark man dressed in a very dark HUGE cloak, will be. He will need two dark horses, greys or dark brown duns. He will begin to drive them slowly across the ring increasing speed as he goes, with total darkness following. He is the moon (Mani), and is the end of the show. The warrior dress is fairly simple. They normally wore skins or cloth of some type, short with one arm free, very similar to the Celts. They would wear leggings reaching just below the knee. They also did wear either metal or leather helmets, but the horn thing is not too accurate. That dates too far back to depict the scene we would be creating. Anyway, as for dress, I can research this as well if necessary. For weapons, they would have huge broadswords straped to their backs, and also axes. Some may have bows, but it is not necessary. Well, that is the idea, but that is about as far as I can take it. LOL Well, I can help with the concepts, dress, etc. One important note, however. I would
Re: What Bit to Use!!
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have been riding Gunthar in a Myler bit that my trainer thinks is IDEAL for bending, but not for straight-back-pulling to stop a bolt. That is, it is mild enough that pulling straight back doesn't do much. [...] The overall effect is like having a multiple jointed snaffle like the KK French Link - but with more joints. Many years ago, I was in the position of having to drive my donkey with a very gentle bit (rubber bar snaffle---she was teething), which didn't give me much brakes. I did a lashup which solved the problem for us. Basically, I got a western-style curb chain---chain in the middle, leather ends that buckled onto the bit. I applied this to the rings of the bar snaffle, placing it loosely OVER her nose, held up by a scrap of leather bootlace tied to her noseband, to keep it well above the cartilage on her nose. (I told you it was a lashup!) When she went along nicely, we communicated via the soft rubber bit. When she decided to pull against it, the rubber bit would bend, bringing the chain into contact with the bridge of her nose--- something she was familiar with, from the stud chain on her halter (yes, she was a pushy little brat). I think I had to escallate to sawing the reins (hence the chain across her nose) ONCE, and she got the picture---whoa means WHOA! When riding, a bolt can be stopped by doubling the animal---asking for a sudden reverse of course. It involves planting one hand mid-neck, grasping one rein and mane, then using the other hand/arm/back to pull back firmly on the other rein. Neither of our large, stiff, drafty Fjord geldings was able to resist it. Even Rom, bolting on the trail from a coat monster was easily doubled to a halt by our trainer. (I had a bit of trouble practicing doubling, as Sleepy helpfully stopped whenever I leaned onto his neck to initiate the maneuver!) Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. ---
Re: What Bit to Use!!
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have an eight year old gelding, used to driving. He had a history of running away and spooking. I say had. Now my trainer has him in a Hackamore 5-3/4 with a twisted iron snaffle for him to mouth. He is delightful with it. We tried a plain Hackamore and he did fine, but seems to like the snaffle too. I sounds a bit (get it) rough, but he has a toughened mouth from driving and is used to not giving way, or not getting release when complying. Whatever the cause, this bit works. Wish you and your horse well, Denise in hot, hot, hot and sunny Mokelumne Hill, Calif. - Original Message - From: Jackie Bellerive [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 5:10 PM Subject: What Bit to Use!! This message is from: Jackie Bellerive [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Everyone, My friend has just bought her self a fjord gelding. He is very calm and gentle. BEAUTIFUL HORSE. But the horse was never taught to flex so she has been using a Tom-thumb bit on him and seems to not mind it at all. But she feels it doesn't turn the horse around into a circle incase she ever had a problem like a run away. I have been using full cheek snaffles and d-ring snaffles. But she wants more control for Luella is 65 years old and a small person. Her trainer suggested a o-ring twisted iron bit. What do you guys think or what kind of bit would you suggest. Thanks Jackie
Re: What Bit to Use!!
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have been riding Gunthar in a Myler bit that my trainer thinks is IDEAL for bending, but not for straight-back-pulling to stop a bolt. That is, it is mild enough that pulling straight back doesn't do much. However Gunthar, who does not bend well (drafty, heavy neck, weaker hindquarters, it is hard for him) bends beautifully in it. (I will, at some point, post a long, obnoxious brag about how he beat out the $10,000 warmbloods at a little schooling show at the * dressage barn he got booted out of for not bending* - plus a few other minor sins like running off with the trainer - due at least in part to his Myler bit - along with some clicker training.) Will try to describe it. The overall effect is like having a multiple jointed snaffle like the KK French Link - but with more joints. The mouthpiece isonly about 3/8 in diameter - certainly no more than 1/2 inch - definitely a thin bit). My trainer calls it a three barrel mullen. Basically, it is like taking a narrow mullen mouth bit, and putting little joints in it. She does not call it a snaffle because all the joints are covered with little barrels (that he can roll on his tongue if he wants to) that keep the joint from poking him in the mouth. It allows even, me, with my poor riding skills, to get a bend from Gunthar. My description, above is impossible to figure out, I know. If anyone has a picture of Myler Bits I'd love to know where to get one (digital version) so I can forward it to others. Anyway - it works quite well for bending, but a loose ring snaffle works better for pull-back stopping. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Van Bon Book
This message is from: Julia Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone ~ I still have 10 or 12 copies of the Van Bon Book left to sell. For those who are new to the list, it is an excellent resource book with numerous photos of the greats of the breed, and extensive pedigree information. It is written in Dutch, but horses names are the same in any language! The cost is $21.50, and includes shipping. Send orders to Julie Will, 2502 Brick Church Road, Weedsport, NY 13166. Have a great day! Julie
Re: What Bit to Use!!
This message is from: Anneli Sundkvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi! I (who ride English) use a loose-ring jointed snaffle when I work in the arena and a double-jointed loose-rings snaffle when I trail-ride or jump. Both bits are made from a copper/iron-mix, which makes them very heavy but not very thick which seems to be the choice of my gelding Cider who has a pretty small mouth but doesn't like light-weighted bits. On my mare (now leased out) I used a double-jointed loose-ring stainless steel snaffle for dressage work and a pessoa-bit for trailriding jumping and jousting. She could sometimes get a little strong in hand, but the double-jointed snaffle gave better control and she liked it better than a single-jointed too. As for your friend - if she does not mind double reins, why not try a pelham? In that case she can use the snaffle-rein most of the time, but she still has the curb rein as a security. The mouthpiece is made in many shapes: jointed, with rubber etc. I've only used English pelhams myself, but I belive that the same idea are present in western tack aswell. Regards Anneli in Sweden Anneli Sundkvist Dept. of Archaeology Ancient History St. Eriks torg 5 75310 Uppsala SWEDEN +46-18-4712082 (work) +46-18-553627 (home)
