Re: Melanomas in Fjords
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just sold a very nice gelding,Rocky Hill Arnie ( one less available guy!!!) to an excellent home in Bend, Or. Arnie has a sarcoid above his R eyelid. It was diagnosed this spring, and I went thru a treatment w/ an anti-cancer drug, Regressin, inj. into the site. There were a total of 3 inj. To my mind, it did nothing but swell up the eye, cause Arnie terrible discomfort and make him kind of out of it for the first 3-4 days. I then read a website article about melanomas and sarcoids, and found a reference to an English company, Hilton Herbs. I checked their website and found a product, an herbal blend, Ditton, composed of about 6 herbs, and started Arnie out on their rec. dosage, along with a topical application of thuja ointment (hemlock?), and voila, it started working after about 2 1/2 weeks. His sarcoid has shrunken to less than 1/2 its orig. size, and seems to keep going down. The vet sure was happy! Fortunately he is not against alternative therapies, and checked into the info himself for future use. Those of you w/ similar diagnoses might attempt this. Ditton mix and thuja ointment are available from Chamisa Ridge website. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Oof, another one bites the dust . .
This message is from: Mike and Casey Rogillio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Man, oh, man. It's been 2 years since I 'fell' from a horse, and now twice in 2 weeks. Ugh. I'm ok, at least from a broken things standpoint, and Tyr is ok too. I just had to share this with y'all. The only solace I have is that he's short . . . and tonight clinched my decision to LEAD in the Showcase of Breeds on October 9th!! We were out of the pasture, in a lovely hay field in the middle of cotton fields, working on listening to me and doing what I wanted. He was really behaving quite well, so we progressed to trot/walk transitions. Again, he was doing well, when suddenly, after about the 3rd transition (no, not tired) he seemed to skid across the ground. In horror I realized his front feet were under him, tucked under him and he couldn't get them out to get back up. In slow motion we dove for the dirt. He got dirt shoved up his nose, poor baby. He landed on his left side, on my poor squooshed foot, and I landed on my left 'hip' as the doctors call it. My left calf is bruised pretty good, my hip probably is too, my left wrist hurts, maybe I braced?, my right thigh is scraped and bruised and generally, I just don't feel too chipper! I checked him over, he seemed fine, not even shaky or spooky, which was good imo. I looked around for something to trip over, or a hole in the trail to fall into. Nothing. So I dragged myself back on (1/2 mile from home, already stiffening up good) and we walked on home. Various pieces of us and tack are a lovely dirty orangey/red color now. I assume various pieces of us will be a dark blue color tomorrow! Upon hearing of our accident, Nick said, well, why don't you just pray for it? Good question buddy, would you do that for me? So he prayed for my legs, my wrist and my hips. What a faith-filled little boy! And to unspoken questions, yes, helmet and boots were on. I don't care anymore about the funky shorts with boots look. Too dadburn hot to ride in jeans, and less than one month to the fun show I want to take Tyr to. Maybe we can learn grace and poise and balance between now and then . . .! Sore Casey Tyr in hot Alabama
Cancers in Fjords
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't have any experience with melanomas in Fjords, but have had one squamous cell carcinoma. This was on Nansy's third eyelid, at the inside corner of the eye. At first, it just looked like she had a goober in that eye, then it started to get bigger. I had the vet out to check it; she snipped it off, along with surrounding parts of the third eyelid. The lab report indicated a squamous cell carcinoma that (as the vet put it) had not yet gotten itself organized, and the surrounding tissue was clean. It has not reoccurred. Interestingly, Nansy's sire, King Harald, was put down after Hestdalen's staff discovered a malignant tumor on his penis. From what I've read, that's another common site for squamous cell carcinomas. Yet another reason to clean sheaths regularly--- apparently, Bauer's vet told him that if King Harald's tumor had been caught earlier, it probably could have been removed with minimal scarring, and his long breeding career would have continued. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. ---
Re: Melanomas in Fjords
This message is from: Brenda Simonson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you would like to read a very good article on melonomas in horses and current treatments, go to the web page www.thehorse.com. You will need to do a search in past articles on melonomas and sarcomas. You should get a 5 or longer page article on melonomas that was printed in their June issue. I found it pretty interesting and it also helped relieve some of my fears. Brenda Simonson
Re: Melanomas in Fjords
This message is from: Brenda Simonson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheryl Beillard wrote: This message is from: Cheryl Beillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] two flat black raised spots on the side of Soleia's muzzle, quite small, but Cheryl, My Fjord developed one there as well. It was sort of flat, black and raised. It looks like it is growing back. Th ones on my guy started out looking wart-like (but not quite). They are not overly lumpy. It is definitely tissue that doesn't belong where it is growing! Brenda
Re: melanomas in fjords
This message is from: Brenda Simonson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My friend has a year old filly with a tentatively-diagnosed melanoma. The lab results aren't back yet, but that's what the vet thinks it is. Are these common in fjords? She's so young, and she's not grey. Gail in Albuquerque Gail, I was going to ask almost the same question. My five year old has just developed his third sarcoma/melonoma. I am waiting for the flies to die down before I have it removed and sent it. I would be interested in hearing more about yours. Brenda
Re: fjordhorse-digest V99 #179
This message is from: ceacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To The Nagels I wanted to express my shared saddness for your loss, I would have responded sooner but I couldn't get my e-mail to work. Having lost several beloved mares, I know that it takes time to remember the happy memories without the ache in your heart. It helps to put up photos to keep the healthy happy times in your mind, at least it did for me with the first old mare that I lost. It took me until now, almost two years later, to look at the photos of the young horses that died in 97, but the old mare that had lived a good long life was kept young in my mind by the photos of her when she was healthy. Wishing you only good thoughts. Sincerely, Ceacy Henderson
Re: Brian Jenson's Report
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/2/99 2:41:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello everyone! What are members to think when we hear that the BOD has been waiting to hear from the Evaluation Committee, and the EC has been waiting to hear from the BOD, and both have been waiting for months and months and months? The only virtue I can see in this situation, is that both sides have an abundance of patience. As a member, I find this deplorable. I also find the understated comments of negligence posted awhile back toward the Evaluation Committee ridiculous. The fact is the BOD are the elected officials of the NFHR. It is THEIR responsibility to follow up and communicate with the Evaluation Committee. Period. If their personal lives are too hectic to allow them to be a good, qualified, working, and caring BOD members, than by all means, step down and let someone else do the job better. That Evaluations are not the place to demonstrate great proficiency in the various disciplines. As I understand Evaluations, they are the place to determine if individual breeders, be they backyard or professional, are going in the right direction. -- Also, to determine on a national scale if the breed is maintaining quality, improving quality, or losing ground. THIS HAS MORE TO DO WITH CONFORMATION, MOVEMENT, BREED TYPE, AND TEMPERAMENT THAN IT DOES WITH HOW WELL THE HORSE IS TRAINED. Amen, Carol! I could not have said this any better. Lynda Daniel Bailey and Lynda C. Welch-Bailey Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI
Re: Brian Jenson's Report
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) A Goodday Everybody, from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm - I was glad to see Brian's statement on the Evaluation Committee's dealings with the BOD, as I had no idea what was happening. NFHR BOARD OPERATING IN A VACUUM - -- In my opinion, the most important thing Brian said was that the BOD should not be OPERATING IN A VACUUM. He's right! That's exactly what they've done, which is why the rest of us are confused. NFHR members have the right to know EVERYTHING the Board does. Complete minutes should be posted on the NFHR site IMMEDIATELY after each Conference Call. And these minutes should be complete enough so that members can understand and get a feeling of what transpired. For the life of me, I can't think of a single reason why this should not be so. TAPED RECORD OF NFHR CONFERENCE CALLS - Further, I think a tape recording should be made of each conference call, and should be available to every member requesting it. This would be much more complete, valuable, and timely than the bare bones minutes we now get in the Herald -- MONTHS AFTER THE FACT. If the American public got to see and hear each and every detail of the O.J. case and the Clinton hearings . . . shouldn't we have the right to know EVERYTHING THAT'S DISCUSSED on these conference calls? The answer is, of course we have the right, and we also have the need to know. COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE BOD AND COMMITTEES (EVALUATION OTHERS) I really find this lack of communication incredible. I mean, you'd think each side was dealing with a foreign governement. HOW CAN THEY NOT COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER? Sorry, for the caps, but I can't shout or highlght on email. I really dont' get it. What kind of an organization is this? It's a horse registry. OUR REGISTRY! Compared to many other breed registries, we're miniscule. Most of us know each other. What's the problem? Why don't these people get on the phone or email, and talk to each other? What are members to think when we hear that the BOD has been waiting to hear from the Evaluation Committee, and the EC has been waiting to hear from the BOD, and both have been waiting for months and months and months? The only virtue I can see in this situation, is that both sides have an abundance of patience. IMPORTANCE OF PERFORMANCE TESTING IN EVALUATIONS - It's been stated that the reasons the EC decided against using European Evaluators, even to get us started on the road to routine Evaluations, is that they wished to maintain American standards for the performance tests in Dressage, Western, Draft Driving. I may be wrong, but it came across to me that PERFORMANCE TESTING WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT aspect of American Evaluations. If this is so, then I object. CONFORMATION COMES FIRST EVALUATIONS SHOULD START WITH YOUNG HORSES! The purpose of Evaluations is to identify good breeding stock. It gives specific feedback in terms of strengths and weaknesses indicating how you can breed to improve your herd, or if you're a backyard breeder with only one foal, how you can get a better foal next time around. THE PERFORMANCE TESTS - I'm only familiar with the Dutch system, but in that, the horse is judged on - GAITS, SUPPLENESS, WILLINGNESS, ATTITUDE, SELF CARRIAGE. (If his 20 meter circle is 25 meters, and less than round, he will not lose points.) Within reason,the horse is judged, not the rider/driver. * MY POINT IS - That Evaluations are not the place to demonstrate great proficiency in the various disciplines. As I understand Evaluations, they are the place to determine if individual breeders, be they backyard or professional, are going in the right direction. -- Also, to determine on a national scale if the breed is maintaining quality, improving quality, or losing ground. THIS HAS MORE TO DO WITH CONFORMATION, MOVEMENT, BREED TYPE, AND TEMPERAMENT THAN IT DOES WITH HOW WELL THE HORSE IS TRAINED. Best Regards, Carol Rivoire Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
weaning / June
This message is from: griet vandenbroucke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi list, First of all I do feel with sarah and her family. May the good moments you had with here be always in your minds. About weaning, As Askeladden is our first foal, we do not have the experience. We will keep him at home, but one day he has to become independant from his mother and I will go back driving her as well so... There are always many people with good advice, but when you hear 10 friends , you have 10 different ideas. We figured out what would be the best for us. As we don't have that much space to separate them we decided to board him for a few weeks. My vet has +/- 10 foals to wean within this month and he offered me to take care of Askeladden. He will be together with those other little fellows so he won't be alone. How will the mare react (usually) when you take her baby away like that? Please give me some advise about taking care of my litle mama horse Griet from Ieper
Onalee's challenge
This message is from: Nathan Lapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hannah and Onalee, our 4-yr-old Fjord mare, are gearing up for a 15-mile competitive trail ride on September 12. The Fjord and her mount will be put to the test against accomplished quaterhorses and Arabs. A 7-mile mini version of the 15-mile ride was held a couple weeks ago to prepare 4-H youngsters and inexperienced adults. Hannah fit the latter category--never paticipated in a horse event before, and riding experience was limited to informal farm settings. So she and Onalee had a lot to learn on trial protocol. The other horses there (several dozen--about half the anticipated number for the competition) were all quarter horse of Arabian types, except for one child's Haflinger. Onalee was excited about the company, and eager to go. She took all the logs, ravine banks rocky creek beds without hesitation and came out of the woods in fine form. Since heart rates and other endurance criteria will be paramount to winning, we have to condition Onalee with hours of trail riding each day. Hannah and our 13-year-old nephew, Jacob, are the main riders and both are enjoying the challenge. A farrier checkup pronounced Onalee okay without shoes at first, but the wear and tear caught up with her so we shod her on front. Hannah says Onalee is undaunted by the steepest ravine banks imaginable, and asks: How does the rider know where the line is between challenging and dangerous? Barbara Lyn Lapp Lapp Family Fjords
Re: 'Other Milk'
This message is from: Evers [EMAIL PROTECTED] I watched a show on Animal Planet or Discovery a while back where this Arab Sheik kept a herd of camels just to milk them and feed the milk to his MARES! It showed them pour the milk into a big wide shallow vat and this whole herd of Arab mares practically stampeded trying to get to it first. There must have been 20 or so gallons of milk, and the mares had it sucked dry and licked clean in a matter of two or three minutes. It was really something to see. I guess this guy is one of the most renound breeders in the middle east. Amy Bud, Tillie Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589 Speak yer mind, but ride a fast horse.
Libby Cart
This message is from: Catherine Lassesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, We were contact to try to help Lisa bring her horse from Libby to Southern Oregon. However, we cannot arrange the trailer to get a 3rd horse in without leaving a cart behind. ANYONE in the LIBBY area not using a cart? And are willing to bring it to the show for us to use in the driving classes. (I mean all the driving classes)??? This way we can say Yes to Lisa... who is SOOO excited that she bought her first fjord! Please email me QUICKLY... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Catherine Lassesen HESTEHAVEN - The Horse Garden 256 May Creek Road Days Creek, OR 97429
RE: The final word on Evaluations
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 09:48 PM 9/1/99 -0500, you wrote: As far as I know, the Eval Comm is still waiting for a detailed BOD reaction to their recommendations so they can proceed. While the BOD is waiting to hear back from the committee! That appears to be the case. A suggestion to improve communication - the BOD meeting minute section of the NFHR web site has not been updated since March. I thought the BOD had agreed to post approved minutes. Your right I am to blame for this one. It just slipped my mind. I will get them up there as soon as I can. For my part, I will forward this particular message to all BOD members who have email (only one member does not). Actually all members do have email now. Dennis Johnson was the only one without and he has had it now for close to six months. His address was in the last Herald. It is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have already forwarded your message to the BOD mailing list. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Evaluation Process and Reccomendations
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 09:56 PM 8/31/99 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Ursula Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear List I want to respond to Cynthia M. who posted awhile back and Brian Jacobsens comments yesterday on the present Eval. program and add some insights of my own. And you bring up some very good points too Brian This paper has been in draft on my desk for a week while we were in Calgary with the four-in-hand at the Calgary High Country Pleasure Driving Show.It has seen many changes and revisions. I am speaking as a Registry member only as I resigned from the Eval. Committee in May. This is news to me. I bet it is news to the BOD to. Who did you tell that you resigned? As far as I know the BOD still thinks you are a member. I guess there is a communication problem here. Brief History of The American Evaluation Program. deletions The idea of producing an American Evaluation Binder containing the five completed evaluations had been discussed earlier and work was already in progress. As you know a proposal is now sitting on the Board table for consideration. The proposed binder has been designed to accommodate all future Evaluations as chapters of a larger book. A fully American Booklet. Actually I think we might have some more lack of communication here. The last time I spoke to Urusla we agreed that she was going to look into the cost reduction that would be gained by going to BW photographs instead of color ones. I myself have not yet heard a revised estimate for the cost of the book. If she has sent it to someone else then I am out of the loop so to speak. I was also supposed to be sent the specs on the book so I could get a price from one of our members that does printing. I have not received them yet. I know the summer is a busy time of year for all but lets keep the communication lines open any way. I have a mailing list setup for the Evaluation committee the BOD as well as the Education committee. I offered to set one up for the Record book committee but no one ever responded to my offer. After stepping back and looking at the bigger picture I would like to offer some ideas and suggestions to members and Board for discussions at the Fall Board Retreat. Some of these suggestions are similar to Brian Jacobsons memo but it shows many members are thinking the same thing. I also believe the board cannot work in a vacuum without membership direction. You are absolutely right here Brian. The BOD is not made up of mind readers. They need the input from the members or they don't have any idea of what you are thinking. I believe this is the end of this story. I certainly hope not. We are still a young registry. I see us as still being in the beginning and not the end of a hopefully LONG story. Thank you for your time and attention. I am only here because 16 years ago two furry fillies arrived and changed our lives forever. They deserve the best. They have done that very same thing for a lot of families. What a neat breed of horse we are all involved with. Next week finds us heading to Vancouver Island for the Victoria Horse Driving Trials. We are again using our four-in-hand for a C.D.E. Should be a real hoot. Now that does sound interesting for sure. Please let us all know how you make out Brian. Mike PS. Thanks for a most enlightening post. I am forwarding it to the BOD mailing list to make sure they all see it. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jonetta
This message is from: Knutsen Fjord Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To the Nagels - My heartfelt condolences to you on your loss. Jonetta may be physically absent, but she will remain in your hearts forever. Peg Knutsen
