Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #33
This message is from: Alison Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, there is at least one society that I know of that actually actively encourages crossbreeding, especially with Lipizzaners. This is no longer true. The registry has declared that it will now only register horses born in the original area of breeding (sorry, I couldn't tell you exactly where that is). This has raised a stink because the spanish riding school has been breeding purebreds for centuries, and they are not included. I am afraid I do not know more as it is a magazine reference which has been tidied up somewhere, but I believe the reason was to prevent some of the crossbreeding that has been going on.
RE: Misty Meadows Birth Announcement
This message is from: Frederick J. (Fred) Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Cathy, Congratulations. Looks like foals are popping out all over the West. Our mare was 333 days of gestation.s.. about a week early. Catherine Lassen is already arranging a date with my little girl. How about yours? Good luck, and again congratulations. I hope you're as happy as we are. Fred Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Misty Meadows B B Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 11:58 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Misty Meadows Birth Announcement
Re: mules
This message is from: Jen Timm [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's a saying that mule people have (and this applies to the model equine variety as well) - mules can do anything a horse or pony can do, only better! Not just simply a cheaper alternative :) Back into lurker mode Jen P.S. If anyone wants to see a model equine ze-fjord please see my gallery - link is below... Just to give you an idea of what one might look like :) Jennifer E. Timm [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wpi.edu/~jetimm [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.angelfire.com/wa/willows/ That is the exploration that awaits you! Not mapping stars and studying nebula, but charting the unknown possibilities of existence. --Q to Picard in ST:TNG's All Good Things
Re: More country living
This message is from: Jon Mary Ofjord [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 06:34 PM 1/31/00 -0600, you wrote: This message is from: Mark and Lisa K. McGinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** Directions are given using the stop light as a reference Uh oh. The County I live in (which is the largest in Wisconsin) doesn't have a stoplight in it let alone the town I live in! No wonder we are always lost. Mark McGinley Bayfield County Oh no! We have one stoplight in the county with 4500 people to share it. Sometimes we just stand there and watch it change colors. How does it do that? You don't have to try out for any of the high school teams. We are over 100 miles to the nearest MacDonald's (thank God). Jon and Mary Ofjord Cook County, Minnesota
RE: New Baby!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fred, You are too cruel!!! Here we are sitting at home slobbering in anticipation of our own soon (but not soon enough) to arrive babies and YOU come along and tease us with this GORGEOUS!! little filly. You should be ashamed of yourself. I just can't wait till I can reciprocate! You'll be sorry then. Your envious friend, Amy Dun Lookin' Fjords Bud, Tillie Amy Evers Redmond OR [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
Re: mules and some comments on hybrids
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kathy, in your post concerning cross breeding you stated that, in nature, the barriers against crossbreeding are geographic I think this is exactly one of the strongest contributing forces that shaped the Fjord. With the Fjord, I believe you have to give special consideration to it's antiquity and preserve it's ancient beginnings. I know the Arab is an old breed, too, but I'm not sure which goes back further, the Fjord or the Arab. The point is, you are not dealing with a modern day horse like a quarter horse, etc. when it comes to cross breeding, you are custodians of a living piece of history.
Re: mini's
This message is from: John and Martie Bolinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm with Laurie, The only real wreck I had driving was with a little 9+ hand pony. Got away from me; could not stop him. Was thrown out of cart. Only casualty was the cart fortunately, but it was 5 years before I had the nerve to drive again - a Percheron of all things. Even the little guys can be strong! Martie in MD Laurie Pittman wrote: This message is from: Laurie Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] after driving one, my second only time to drive, I felt totally secure. Not to mention the easy entry into the cart. If they started forward I am sure I could have held them back Hi Jean, I think this is the second time that I've seen you mention this and I just wanted to say don't get yourself convinced that a mini (or small pony) can't get away from you. The one and only runaway/wreck that I've had was with a 36 pony (mini?). Something scared her and she was gone. We went thru a fence before it was over. Fortunately, the cart was the only real casualty. It was many years before I thought about driving again. I felt like if I couldn't stop that little pony, how on earth can I stop a full sized horse? I did get over that fear, but I never let myself think that it can't happen. Don't let size lull you into a false sense of security! Laurie
Re: More country living
This message is from: Mark and Lisa K. McGinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** Directions are given using the stop light as a reference Uh oh. The County I live in (which is the largest in Wisconsin) doesn't have a stoplight in it let alone the town I live in! No wonder we are always lost. Mark McGinley Bayfield County
More country living
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Your car stays filthy because of the dirt roads, and you will never own a dark vehicle for this reason ** You think kids that ride skateboards are weird ** The town next to you is considered trashy or snooty, but is actually just like your town ** Getting paid minimum wage is considered a raise ** You refer to anyone with a house newer than 1980 as the rich people ** The people in the city dress funny, then you pick- up on the trend two years later ** You bragged to your friends because you got pipes on your truck for your birthday ** Anyone you want can be found at either the Dairy Queen or the feed store ** You see at least one friend a week driving a tractor through town ** Football coaches suggest that you haul hay for the summer to get stronger ** Directions are given using the stop light as a reference ** The city council meets at the coffee shop ** Your letter jacket was worn after your 19th birthday ** You have ever taken a trailer or dog to school on a daily basis ** Weekend excitement involves a trip to a Wal-Mart ** Even the ugly people enter beauty pageants. ** You decide to walk somewhere for exercise and 5 people pull over and ask if you need a ride ** Your teachers calls you by your older siblings names ** Your teachers remember when they taught your parents ** You can charge at all the local stores ** The closest McDonald's is 45 miles away ** So is the closest mall ** It is normal to see an old man riding through town on a riding lawn ** You laugh your butt off reading this because you know they're all true and forward it to everyone who lives in your town! (because you know them all!) You can't date anyone in town because they are all related to you somehow Bud Tillie Evers http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
Re: Misty Meadows Birth Announcement
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 11:58 AM 1/31/00 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: Misty Meadows B B [EMAIL PROTECTED] The colt as yet unnamed (is there a good Norwegian word for surprise, anybody??) My little Norwegian dictionary says: n overraskelse or v overraske; forbause === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mules and some comments on hybrids
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you Kathy, for a very informative and understandable explaination of Cross breeding, hybrids and the effects, etc. I was thinkning of trying to express some of that, but you did it much better than I could ever had done. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska At 12:55 PM 1/31/2000 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Kathy Spiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just couldn't resist two cents worth about mules. In this part of the country a well bred mule is far more expensive than a well bred horse. I have bred a few mules. The well bred, registered thoroughbred mare I use did not cost me a whole lot more than the stud fee and shipping costs on the Jack. As soon as the babies hit the ground I have offers in excess of many of the ads for young or even started Fjords I have seen from the members on this list. The mules are bred for specific reasons and perform better than either parent IN SOME SITUATIONS and therefore there are compelling reasons to produce them. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hefting
This message is from: Knutsen Fjord Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List - Dr Brian, you have been helpful, honestly. However, he [His Majesty] hates horning in on his honorable he-man parts. So here I hover, hopeless, hapless, and helpless in happy Ellensburg. Here's back to you, handsome, Peg knutsen www.eburg.com/~kffjord
Re: portrait on line
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:32 PM 1/31/00 +0100, you wrote: This message is from: karin wennas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gee! It works overseas too. Amazing!! Karin in Sweden Hey the FBI has files on EVERYONE!!! ;-)
Anothe question from people
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This letter was sent to the SFJ, and Amy has answered, sending them to NFHR. I wonder if the NFHR could advertise in the SFJ? From : Roger Madelyn Ferrell Box 157 Malta, MT.59538 Hello We are looking for a horse register for Fjord horses in the US. We have purchased 4 colts in Canada that are Reg. there, but we want them to be reg. here. We looked in your magazine,(which we love) but didn't see anything about it. We did see an address for the American Cream Draft Horse Asso., so we thought you might help us with the Fjords. thank you very much, Roger Madelyn. A good place for the information. Tillie Dun Lookin' Fjords Bud, Tillie Amy Evers Redmond OR [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
urine color
This message is from: Carl Sarah Nagel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, blood in the urine would be a problem. And a problem for the Vet. But, having said that Is the reddish/brown/orangish(?) urine appearing in the snow? On a sunny day? I had a BIG scare after our first snow this winter as there was bloody urine ALL OVER our pasture. I just knew I needed to call the vet. But which horse? So, after catching each, and wiping their privates down with a white cloth to try and figure out who it was responsible boy did I get some funny looks from each horse!! LOLAfter taking their temperature, all were normal. After calling a friend . she had the best laugh!! I guess this happens alot. There is some kind of chemical reaction that can occur, and when the sunlight shines on the snow/urine, it appears a reddish/orangish/brown color.I then checked with my vet, and yes . it happens. She gets many calls each winter about this problem. Anyway, check for temperatures, and if the horses are acting normally, eating and not depressed and it's a sunny day and the urine looks normal the next day, when it's a little cloudy, or even that evening when you check with a flashlight (yes, I did that also!) I think you guys are ok. Vets on the list? Comments? More experienced horse owners? Anything else? Sarah Nagel, in snow covered, sunny ... and yes, some colored spots in our horse area right now even, Northern Idaho
What do we get for joining the NFHR?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We need to talk about this subject again. Promoting the Fjord horse in a positive way. And a lot of help (or money to be used by the NFHR) to make pamphlets that we can give free to interested people. I am always trying to get new members in our Reg. They ask the old question what do we get for joining? When we joined we got nothing. Then I brought up the question, Is there a rule book? Answer no, but one is in the making. I asked can we get something to show we belong to NFHR. I mentioned a decal for our pickup or some to put on our trailer. Well, there was a small decal made and I think everyone got one? We have asked to be given some information on up and coming evaluations. What about them? Where are they to be? Are we all going to have to go to Blue Earth? That's a long way to some of us. Will the Northwest and southwest people have a place to have their horses evaluated? I ask these questions and hope for some answers. Please. (I am flame retarted).Think about this note and ask your questions on these subjects. I am proud to give interested people who stop in all I have printed and made flyers of on. The subject of the Fjord horse. I have also taken them with me everywhere I go, To give out, free to promote these animals. Tillie All have a laughs with this little bit of humor below, OK You know you are from a small town if... ** You can name everyone you graduated with. ** You know what 4-H is. ** You ever went to parties at a pasture, barn, or in the middle of a dirt road ** You used to drag main. ** You said the 'f' word and your parents knew within the hour. ** You schedule parties around the schedule of different police officers, since you know which ones would bust you and which ones wouldn't-same goes with the game warden ** You ever went cow-tipping or snipe hunting ** School gets canceled for state events. ** You could never buy cigarettes because all the store clerks knew how old you were (and if you were old enough, they'd tell your parents anyhow). ** When you did find someone old enough and brave enough to buy cigarettes, you still had to go out to the country and drive on back roads to smoke them. Dun Lookin' Fjords Bud, Tillie Amy Evers Redmond OR [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
Re: new to list urine color
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Gordon and Gen welcome to the list. Hope you find your answers. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: new to list urine color
This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] gsfulton.telusplanet.net wrote: What color is the normal color for a bred mares urine to be light yellow or a reddish brown color? Sometimes if they aren't drinking enough their urine is very concentrated and can appear orange in the snow. You could take a sample to the vet, just to be sure. Lori
new to list urine color
This message is from: gsfulton.telusplanet.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi! to all on the list, Greetings from sunny central Alberta, We (Gordon Geri) have been on the list since mid December,this is the first time I am writing to the list. I enjoy getting the e-mail everyday and reading the fjord list. We live on a farm 10 miles west of Bowden,Ab. (Bowden is 60 miles north of Calgary)We raise purebred Dorset Sheep,I (Geri) also have a flock of around 50 colored sheep. I enjoy spinning and weaving with the fleeces from my girls. We have 7 fjords at our place (6 are ours) 1 Stallion,2 Geldings, 3 Mares and 1 little guy that was born last spring and to be gelded this spring. We have been to the show at Libby for the past 2 years, we had a great time watching everyone in the show. We are planning on going this year as well. I don't recall reading the dates for this years show on the list, have they set a date yet? If so could somebody please post it so we can plan our vacation around it? MY QUESTION IS (please don't laugh to hard) What color is the normal color for a bred mares urine to be light yellow or a reddish brown color? 2 of our mares are bred and one has light yellow urine and the other has the reddish brown colored urine. (Could she be sick,should we get the vet out,she does not look or act like she isn't feeling good)Take Care Geri McNeil Gordon Fulton EDYMORE DORSETS AND FJORDS Sunny Central Alberta
Re: Misty Meadows Birth Announcement
This message is from: sini seppala [EMAIL PROTECTED] CONGRATULATIONS! What an unusual coloring too. ;) Surprise is 'overraskning' (o with dots) in Swedish and it's probably something close to that in the Norwegian language. (Those two languages are so close to each other you can easily understand Swedish if you speak Norwegian yourself and vice versa.) Do we have people from Norway on here? So wonderful everything went fine. You must be very happy, all of you! All the best Sini. Misty Meadows B B wrote: Here at Misty Meadows in Victoria, BC we have a wonderful new colt born in secret in the paddock this morning about 7:00AM. His dam Lyn is enjoying this time of stalling (can you say non-stop eating!!!) and Sire Claylee's Cole was proudly in attendance at the birthing. (6, weanlings, yearlings, two year olds and broodmares also stood nearby and watched) The colt as yet unnamed (is there a good Norwegian word for surprise, anybody??)
Re: Misty Meadows Birth Announcement
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Congratulations Cathy, with all this talk of crossbreeding must have been scary to find a foal half black and half white How nice that you now do not have to go through that waiting business. Altho I used the Mare predictor set, I still needed to stay up. Alls well that ends well. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: I can't believe this!
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] It would have come up pretty bare of you if it had connected Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: Cross Breeding
This message is from: William Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] The February issue of Equus has an excellent article on crossbreeding The question of Purity. Goes through the history of horses and how most were crossbred somehow but also makes the case to keep strong purebred lines to insure the diversity that we now have in types of horses.
Re: We are pleased to announce....
This message is from: sini seppala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh Boy - wonderful pictures. What a sweet filly and a proud Mom. Thanks for sharing this Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html http://www.nfhr.com
Re: web site with new pictures of our foal
This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] Congratulations Fred, on your lovely leggy little lady. I just love the snuggle-faces photo. Lori Frederick J. (Fred) Pack wrote: Just uploaded two pictures of the new foal. They can be seen at : http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3158/OurFamilyPho.html
Misty Meadows Birth Announcement
This message is from: Misty Meadows B B [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here at Misty Meadows in Victoria, BC we have a wonderful new colt born in secret in the paddock this morning about 7:00AM. His dam Lyn is enjoying this time of stalling (can you say non-stop eating!!!) and Sire Claylee's Cole was proudly in attendance at the birthing. (6, weanlings, yearlings, two year olds and broodmares also stood nearby and watched) The colt as yet unnamed (is there a good Norwegian word for surprise, anybody??) is at that cocky prancing around stage and is a very curious foal. Lyn was to be due in a little over a month human time, did her riding lesson as usual on Friday, had no bag, no signs of impending foaling etc, etc. Her humans who love to plan and control everything down to the nth degree were going to move the foaling monitor next week and begin all that exciting baby watch and anticipation stuff at that time. The foal color is solid black dun with a white head. ::: As the day goes on and the mud dries, we are finding bits of brown dun underneath. Poor baby - it just isn't supposed to happen like this. For obvious reasons, no pictures will be taken until tomorrow, unless they are of her human's red faces. Anyway, today we're spending the day imprinting, (grooming) and rejoicing. It's spring in the Pacific Northwest - watch for early babies. Cathy
Re: mules and some comments on hybrids
This message is from: Kathy Spiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just couldn't resist two cents worth about mules. In this part of the country a well bred mule is far more expensive than a well bred horse. I have bred a few mules. The well bred, registered thoroughbred mare I use did not cost me a whole lot more than the stud fee and shipping costs on the Jack. As soon as the babies hit the ground I have offers in excess of many of the ads for young or even started Fjords I have seen from the members on this list. The mules are bred for specific reasons and perform better than either parent IN SOME SITUATIONS and therefore there are compelling reasons to produce them.I see no cruelty to the mule just because it can't produce offspring. There are mules which have excelled in dressage, cutting competions, driving and just plain use. I am told that the reason the cow cutting competitions are now closed to mules is that a bunch of quarter horse owners got their noses bent out of shape when a mule by the name of RENO won the competion some years back - with no halter or bridle on. Just as with any breed ( recall the recent discussion about Fjord types and uses) there are applications which might benefit from prudent crossing of two species or two breeds. The mules and opposite crosses have been described in the wild where ranges of Donkeys and wild or feral horses overlap. Hybridization is one of natures tools in generating diversity. Not all hybrids are as sterile as the mule. There is a difference between hybidization ( crosses between different species) and crossbreeding ( crosses between different strains of the same species) All horses are members of the same species. All the breed registries are artificial. In nature the barriers against crossbreeding are geographic and behavioral and allow for the isolation of breeding populations and fixation of characteristics - probably one of the steps leading to the development of a species. In domestication we accelerate the process by breeding for characteristics and fixing a type. The danger in doing it under domestication is the loss of valuable genetic characteristics which might help the individual under changing environmental conditions or emerging diseases. Cross breeding, hybidizing and even gene insertions are methods by which animal and plant breeders reintroduce lost or introduce desirable genetic material into domesticated species. This opens an incredible can of worms and volatile opinions on all sides - re some of the hassels concerning international trade and shipments of genetically engineered crops across national boundaries. Animals kept in captivity, where wild stock is no longer available for outcrossing, are in danger of losing the ability to adapt and the concentrating deletorius genes in the breeding stock( see discussions of miniature horses - the lethal white in paint horses and the increased problems with kidding in dwarf goats). This is something that any registry needs to address when the gene pool is restricted and selection of breeding animals is based on humanly determined positive traits, rather than adaptively determined traits. It is one of which the NFHR appears to be aware and it may be a problem to be addressed in the future. Sorry this is so long but there are opinions on both sides. What each registry wants to do is up to its members and if an individual wants to play ball with that registry and reap the benefits, then the rules should be followed. But there may also be reasons to look at crossbreeding and even hybridization in certain situations. Kathy
portrait on line
This message is from: karin wennas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gee! It works overseas too. Amazing!! Karin in Sweden
Re: I can't believe this!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] All it asked me for was a nickname, I have none, and a shoe size, then it refused connection. I don't allow cookies, so it came up pretty bare on me.
Re: I can't believe this!
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:31 AM 1/31/00 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike I found the greatest picture of me as an infant. How do they do that I always tried to get mother to wear her bra but then what can you expect. Jean Ahh yes Mother child together again! ;-)
Horses have air-conditioned heads
This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Someone sent me this article which is quite interesting:
http://www.exn.ca/html/templates/htmlpage.cfm?ID=2127-53
Lori A.
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Upcoming Events
This message is from: Handwovens by Jill [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would be interested in anyone giving me dates and events of their Fjord activities in and about the Pacific NW. I'm the master driving apron maker and happy weaver of lap robes, etc. Smile and would like to find events where I can bring my things to set up as a vendor/salesperson. Please keep me in mind! Thanks very much Jill in Oregon where it's a chilly time! Handwovens by Jill What you have in mind I'll put into design! Website Address: http://www.spiritone.com/~jillhack
Re: We are proud to announce....
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Fred, Congratulations! That is about the cutest picture, the one where they are snuggled up head to head. Sure does look like a white dun! Is Troika's sire Leidjo? He seems to have the genes for grey and white dun. Granted that Adel's Mom, Anvil's Stina, was a white dun, the fact she had so many whites with no black stripe in the mane suggests Leidjo has the gene's also. It will be interesting to see how she turns out! Especially if she IS white dun and not related to Line and Stella or to Modellen, if she will have some of the same qualities, body type, etc. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, -2F degrees with a south wind. At 12:59 PM 1/30/2000 -0800, you wrote: Hi friends, Last night at 9:19 PM, we were able to be present (and assist) the birth of a beautiful little filly. She looks like she will be a White Dun Norwegian Fjord with the longest legs I have ever seen on a foal. Her name will probably be Zagorska. We toyed with the idea of calling her Saturday Night Special. The mare is Troika out of Suzy and the sire is Anne Appleby's Misha (out of Gromar). Elated, and dog tired. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mules
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mary, re your looked like a mule mare. Some horse friends stopped by to visit for the first time since Gunnar. Of course he looks like a yak (crossbred?) at this cold time but they also remarked You know he reminds me of a uh a duh I chimed in and asked if they meant a donkey. Yes they did and he does, best breeding and all. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: I can't believe this!
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike I found the greatest picture of me as an infant. How do they do that I always tried to get mother to wear her bra but then what can you expect. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
White dun from Troika/Misa?
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any idea where the white dun came from? Last night at 9:19 PM, we were able to be present (and assist) the birth of a beautiful little filly. She looks like she will be a White Dun Norwegian Fjord with the longest legs I have ever seen on a foal. Her name will probably be Zagorska. We toyed with the idea of calling her Saturday Night Special. The mare is Troika... out of Suzy and Leidjo. The sire is Anne Appleby's Misha (out of Gromar). I will send some pictures to the NFHR site. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Clicker List Web Site : http://clickryder.cjb.net
Re: photo online
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MAN !! am I ever a sucker... and MIKE, YOU were so cute as a baby. Finally got to see the photo. They could not find one of me however :) Lou Check out our website A HREF=http://members.aol.com/dbldayfarm/index.htm;DoubleDay Farm Miniature Paint Horses/A
Re: web site with new pictures of our foal
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fred, that has to be the leggiest baby going. she is absolutely feminine despite those stilts. How ever does she manage? Beautiful mama too. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: web site with new pictures of our foal
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] fred, what a cutie pie!!! denise
Re: photo online
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 11:47 AM 1/31/00 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 01/31/2000 8:43:05 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://209.69.229.50/FBI/default.asp?B=P=0303R=0100 Says connection refused when I try to gring it up. This is a scary thought that just anyone could get a photo of someone else. It was probably over its connection limit. Try back later.
Re: mules
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 07:25 AM 1/31/00 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Think about it - why would anyone want to use an inferior(poorly bred) animal if he could use the best? I couldn't agree more. The answer is that they often must settle for less than the best because they simply cannot afford the best. It really doesn't matter how much the horse costs Mary. It will still end up being the cheapest part of the whole equation. I laughed at the guy that told me that before I actually wrote the check for our Fjord. But I stopped laughing a couple of months later after I bought a pickup for 20K (this was back a ways) and then a trailer for another 2.5 that turned out to be not good enough so I bought a better one a few years later. I am now on the second pickup, second trailer then there is the harness, saddles clothes, carts, etc. etc. etc. The Horse is the cheapest part...
Re: Crossbreeding in Europe!
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 02:13 PM 1/31/00 +, you wrote: This message is from: David Stewart, Registrar [EMAIL PROTECTED] You breeders and owners in America and Canada have such an easy time of it - don't you think? Mike, do you agree? Well it might seem easy but things aren't always as they seem... ;-) Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mules
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:11 AM 1/31/00 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] But what can you get for a Fjord? I would be reasonably sure one could find a Fjord gelding for under $3000, and maybe significantly lower than that, by shopping around. Forget some of these breeders who want $10,000 for a stripe down the back. A good mule could likely get as much or more to the right person. Merek But you could also get a nice little Filly out of the deal. Or with the right breeding a good quality stallion that is worth much more. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I can't believe this!
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:15 AM 1/31/00 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/31/00 9:01:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://209.69.229.50/FBI/default.asp?B=P=0303R=0100 That didn't work! All it did was ask for a nickname (I have none) and a shoe size, then I got a Connection Refused message. Merek Then put Merek in for your Nickname. It is what people call you right?
Re: We are proud to announce....
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] CONGRATS TO FATHER FRED, A FJORD FILLY WITH FANTASTIC FORM!!
Thanks to vets
This message is from: misha nogha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just wanted to say thanks to Steve White and Brian Jacobson for writing to the list and answering horse health issues. You guys are just too cool. Eh everyone! It's so awesome to be able to get comments and advice from these guys! It shows to me that these men really love animals and the Fjord horse that they are willing to read the list and answer questions. Wow, whate rare and wonderful people they are. Thank you! Hi Steve from the list. Say, could you send me your address again? Misha http://www.eoni.com/~mishamez
Re: web site with new pictures of our foal
This message is from: Starfire Farm, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Frederick J. (Fred) Pack wrote: Just uploaded two pictures of the new foal. They can be seen at : http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3158/OurFamilyPho.html How totally cute! Love that up close and personal shot. Okay, mini babies have nothing on fjord babies! Beth -- Beth Beymer Sandy North Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO www.starfirefarm.com
Re: photo online
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 01/31/2000 8:43:05 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://209.69.229.50/FBI/default.asp?B=P=0303R=0100 Says connection refused when I try to gring it up. This is a scary thought that just anyone could get a photo of someone else. Lou Check out our website A HREF=http://members.aol.com/dbldayfarm/index.htm;DoubleDay Farm Miniature Paint Horses/A
Re: New German Fjord site
This message is from: Starfire Farm, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meredith Sessoms wrote: Check out the photos, well worth the wait and the pop-up ads: http://www.get.to/nordvind Great site! What beautiful photos. Thanks, Meredith. -- Beth Beymer Sandy North Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO www.starfirefarm.com
Re: mini's
This message is from: Starfire Farm, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] William Kelley wrote: This message is from: William Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sini I have 4 mini horses know a little about them. They are just small horses in every respect. Just as some Fjord breeders breed the tallest mare with the tallest stallion to get the 15+ hand Fjord breeding mini's has been breeding the smallest with the smallest. As with any breeding genetic problems can happen and you don't want to continue breeding those problems. We have a mini breeder across the street from us. She bred high quality minis for a number of years. I've had several discussions about their bloodlines with her. She told me of several serious genetic problems with them, due to their heavy inbreeding. Last year she told me that she refuses to breed anymore, even though she has one of the best stallions in the area. She learned that one of her nicest foals ended up having no cartilage in his joints! She's also experienced problems with malformed jaws, and blood disorders. After learning about the latest problem, she decided that the genetic problems were just too great to overcome and discontinued breeding. On another note, they are absolutely the cutest things when they are first born (almost rivaling a fjord baby!) Beth -- Beth Beymer Sandy North Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO www.starfirefarm.com
Re: web site with new pictures of our foal
This message is from: linda hickam [EMAIL PROTECTED] CUTE..CUTE.CUTE -- From: Frederick J. (Fred) Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: web site with new pictures of our foal Date: Mon, Jan 31, 2000, 2:17 AM This message is from: Frederick J. (Fred) Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just uploaded two pictures of the new foal. They can be seen at : http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3158/OurFamilyPho.html Some of the pictures are high quality and will take a little longer to download. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Creator of the Clinton Bridge to the 21st Century
Re: Greys - David Klove
This message is from: Starfire Farm, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Peg, How you like to harp, harry, heckle and harangue! How can you hazard the highly hopeful hypothesis that the information harking from the hinterlands would be Herculeanly heavy if you haven't hefted? Now hurry out there, hunker down, (Heaven help us if any horseplay happens), and heft! Brian J. And please, please, would you have someone take a video Beth -- Beth Beymer Sandy North Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO www.starfirefarm.com
Re: web site with new pictures of our foal
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Congratulations on the new baby Fred. The pictures are wonderful. Sue Clark-Sorger Crown Oak Fjords Sandia Park NM
RE: Re: We are pleased to announce....
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mary, that is not a WHITE DUN, but an ALBINO or KVIT. The white dun or Ulsdun does have a dark muzzle, black skin, etc. See the pictures http://www.nfhr.com/Horses%20of%20Different%20Colors.html Mike, The picture of a white dun at the nfra sure doesn't have a dark muzzle, it is pink all over like a cremello quarter horse. I have had one of those, and I can tell you that the skin color does not change after birth, only the hair. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I can't believe this!
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:48 AM 1/31/00 -0600, you wrote: This message is from: Mark and Lisa McGinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I went to this site and entered your name Mike 'cause I wanted to see a picture of you (always curious to SEE who's on the list). What an attractive guy! I also entered a few other lister's names... I'm starting to think that I might be on the wrong list! No it won't show pictures of other people unless you have the secret password. It knows who you are and only displays YOUR picture!! ;-)
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #32
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/30/00 2:08:09 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mixing breeds seems like an inhumane thing to do, creating misfits for a life of misery and, and, and, you shouldn't tamper with Mother Nature! I disagree with that. We wouldn't have many horse or dog breeds if we hadn't mixed breeds. I don't personally have the urge to try to invent new ones, I'm satisfied with what's out there. But if someone hadn't done that, there wouldn't be what there is out there. But in purebred dogs we don't create mongrels not because mongrels aren't sometimes the most wonderful creatures, but because it's harder to guarantee what will happen to them and what they will produce. Think of that old sweet pea genetics stuff we learned in school, the possible variations become endless pretty quick and you can't breed with a strong idea of what you'll get. But lots of people love mules and they don't breed, so I think that has to be an exception. There is a difference between a breeding program to create a new breed, like they're trying to bring back the Shagyar Arabians, and just dabbling to see what you'll get. I think the dabbling leads to what happened when we got our first watercolor boxes and mixed all the colors.
Re: I can't believe this!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike, You're a bad boy!!! Once again, I wonder what information we sent to the site when we played their little game. Bill
Re: mules
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:39 AM 1/30/00 -0800, you wrote: Because - believe it or not - some people actually PREFER mules to horses. Just ask any mule man(or woman). Plus it's my guess that a mule is cheaper than a Fjord - and think of the potential hybrid vigor! But why would you want to have your mare bred to have a less valuable offspring? Sometimes money isn't everything. Sometimes it is better to produce something affordable and useful to the general farmer or whoever, who prefers to use mules. And there ARE situations in which a mule is better suited to the task than a horse. Money should never be the sole objective in producing animals - one of the considerations, yes - but not the only one. Sometimes I think that a lot of us in the horse world have lost track of that fact - thus producing horses that are wonderful but are priced completely out of the reach of the very people who could make the best use of them. Think about it - why would anyone want to use an inferior(poorly bred) animal if he could use the best? The answer is that they often must settle for less than the best because they simply cannot afford the best. Are we really doing the end-users a great service by driving the price of a good horse beyond their means? I am not advocating starting a whole new equine industry here - mass producing of mules. I am merely suggesting that there are times and situations where it would be prudent to produce an occasional Fjord mule. I happen to think they would be very exceptional animals - albeit probably very smart. I once actually owned a Fjord filly (prebred, registered, etc.) who reminded me more of a mule than a horse in her personality. She was purchased by some mule people who are very happy with her, I understand. And, no, they are not breeding mules from her. They like her just the way she is. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: We are proud to announce....
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 12:59 PM 1/30/00 -0800, you wrote: Last night at 9:19 PM, we were able to be present (and assist) the birth of a beautiful little filly. She looks like she will be a White Dun Norwegian Fjord with the longest legs I have ever seen on a foal. Her name will probably be Zagorska. We toyed with the idea of calling her Saturday Night Special. Two pictures of the new foal mom are on the NFHR website. Look in the Gallery then the Nursery. The last 2 pictures are Zagorska Troika. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I can't believe this!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/31/00 9:01:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://209.69.229.50/FBI/default.asp?B=P=0303R=0100 That didn't work! All it did was ask for a nickname (I have none) and a shoe size, then I got a Connection Refused message. Merek
Re: mules
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] But what can you get for a Fjord? I would be reasonably sure one could find a Fjord gelding for under $3000, and maybe significantly lower than that, by shopping around. Forget some of these breeders who want $10,000 for a stripe down the back. A good mule could likely get as much or more to the right person. Merek
Crossbreeding in Europe!
This message is from: David Stewart, Registrar [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think Sherrie and Anneli have made some excellent points as regards NOT allowing crossbreeding for obvious reasons - well said by both! However, there is at least one society that I know of that actually actively encourages crossbreeding, especially with Lipizzaners. The offspring that are produced are registered and given breed papers. What is more alarming is that the crossbreeds being bred are often bred again to make a 3/4 bred! Also, any Fjord look-a-like is registered in a true-to-type register! In Scotland, we adhere to the same rules and regulations as the NFHR, and actively discourage crossbreeding. To act as an encouragement of only pure breeding, the FHRS allows members to breed registered mares FREE of charge to FHRS approved stallions. Thankfully, no breeder in Scotland has crossbred since the incoproration of the FHRS three years ago. But, if they were to join the society mentioned, then they certainly WOULD be allowed to do so! As far as I am aware, in Europe, as part of the European Commission Directive 90/427/EEC, all societies must follow the exact same rules as the country recognised as holding the Mother Stud Book. As regards Norwegian Fjord horses, the country recognised by the European Council is, of course, NORWAY. Therefore, every breed society throughout Europe, infact the world, should follow the rules and regulations set down by Norway. This being the case, there should be NO crossbreeding of Norwegian Fjord horses whatsoever as the Mother Country does NOT allow it! What about the registration of crossbreeds? Well, in the UK, there is a society called the British Horse Database which registrers horses without papers. By doing this, the database is actually giving the horse being registered a much better chance of finding a loving home as they are now recognised by an official body. This can only be a good thing all round as horses not registered with the breed society cannot be bred with by society approved stallions, or mares. The BHD works alongside breed societies (such as the FHRS) for the good of the genetic purity of all breeds. At the moment, the FHRS and the DHB, are producing passports for all foals born from 1st January, 1998 as it is now mandatory that breed societies in Europe issue passports as part of the EU Decision 92/353/EEC. You breeders and owners in America and Canada have such an easy time of it - don't you think? Mike, do you agree? David Stewart
RE: Re: We are pleased to announce....
This message is from: Mary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike, The picture of a white dun at the nfra sure doesn't have a dark muzzle, it is pink all over like a cremello quarter horse. I have had one of those, and I can tell you that the skin color does not change after birth, only the hair. She is a cutie. Not sure about the white dun though. They tend to have a blacker muzzle than what she seems to have. To soon to tell yet though really. Congratulations! Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com
web site with new pictures of our foal
This message is from: Frederick J. (Fred) Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just uploaded two pictures of the new foal. They can be seen at : http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3158/OurFamilyPho.html Some of the pictures are high quality and will take a little longer to download. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Creator of the Clinton Bridge to the 21st Century
Oops....wrote wrong address
This message is from: Frederick J. Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] I goofed on the address of the American Miniature Horse Association. The correct address is http://www.minihorses.com/amha/ Fred Pack
We are proud to announce....
This message is from: Frederick J. (Fred) Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi friends, Last night at 9:19 PM, we were able to be present (and assist) the birth of a beautiful little filly. She looks like she will be a White Dun Norwegian Fjord with the longest legs I have ever seen on a foal. Her name will probably be Zagorska. We toyed with the idea of calling her Saturday Night Special. The mare is Troika out of Suzy and the sire is Anne Appleby's Misha (out of Gromar). Elated, and dog tired. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables
Re: I can't believe this!
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 09:26 AM 1/31/00 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is wild, but I found this website that uses the Internet to find an actual photograph of ALMOST ANYBODY. I was shocked to find that with no trouble at all, it brought up an (old) picture of me. A, were you ever cute! No you can't see my picture there only your own! Mike
Re: I can't believe this!
This message is from: Mark and Lisa McGinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I went to this site and entered your name Mike 'cause I wanted to see a picture of you (always curious to SEE who's on the list). What an attractive guy! I also entered a few other lister's names... I'm starting to think that I might be on the wrong list! :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is wild, but I found this website that uses the Internet to find an actual photograph of ALMOST ANYBODY. I was shocked to find that with no trouble at all, it brought up an (old) picture of me. You should see if they have yours too! Mike http://209.69.229.50/FBI/default.asp?B=P=0303R=0100
Re: I can't believe this!
This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is wild, but I found this website that uses the Internet to find an actual photograph of ALMOST ANYBODY. I was shocked to find that with no trouble at all, it brought up an (old) picture of me. A, were you ever cute! Lori
Re: We are pleased to announce....
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:09 PM 1/30/00 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: Frederick J. (Fred) Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi friends, Last night at 9:19 PM, we were able to be present (and assist) the birth of a beautiful little filly. She looks like she will be a White Dun Norwegian Fjord with the longest legs I have ever seen on a foal. Her name will probably be Zagorska. We toyed with the idea of calling her Saturday Night Special. The mare is Troika... out of Suzy and Leidjo. The sire is Anne Appleby's Misha (out of Gromar). I will send some pictures to the NFHR site. Got the pictures Fred. I will put them up on the site later today. Look for them in the Gallery, Nursery She is a cutie. Not sure about the white dun though. They tend to have a blacker muzzle than what she seems to have. To soon to tell yet though really. Congratulations! Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I can't believe this!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is wild, but I found this website that uses the Internet to find an actual photograph of ALMOST ANYBODY. I was shocked to find that with no trouble at all, it brought up an (old) picture of me. You should see if they have yours too! Mike http://209.69.229.50/FBI/default.asp?B=P=0303R=0100
Request for transport help
This message is from: Joanna Crell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, I am hoping to find someone who is traveling from the south or west to the northeast who can help us get a marathon carriage. It is located in Bristol, Virginia; right off Interstate 81 and possibly it could be brought to a different access point like Rte. 95. It is a 4 wheel cart, weighs 460 and can fit in the back of a pickup ( ramped up winched in) We are willing to work out any arrangements, Suggestions gladly heard!! Since we live in Maine; a part way transport is also do-able (any where closer to here than NY). Just think, it could be a great way to help pay for your trip and meet a fun horse-driver on either end, one of them a fjord-keeper! Please share this request with anyone who might be headed our way. Thankyou, joanna === Joanna Crell - David Folger Willowind Therapeutic Horseback Riding Center Phone FAX (207) 288-9506
Re: worm info
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/30/00 8:42:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is exactly the information I wanted to know and now I know to start it after their next Ivermectin. Many thanks. Anything that helps me avoid the dreaded colic is better than ok with me!!! There's only one thing Brian forgot to mention about Strongid C. Not only do you start it after Ivermectrin, but you should also give your horse Ivermectrin at the start of fall, and at the start of spring. From what I hear Strongid C does not do anything for bots. You administer Ivermectrin at the beginning and end of bot season. Then your horse should be complete protected from worms. Pamela
Re: Re;Top Ten Exercises to Become a Better Horseman
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 03:58 PM 1/29/00 -0800, you wrote: Fear not I will be fine. No broken bones and my head is fine. Just alot of bruses. Dr. says I'ii be sore but ok. Thank-you for the laugh. I needed it. Caitlin Well I am glad to hear you are ok anyway. I didn't mean for you to actually try the rules out! ;-) === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mules
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:39 AM 1/30/00 -0800, you wrote: Because - believe it or not - some people actually PREFER mules to horses. Just ask any mule man(or woman). Plus it's my guess that a mule is cheaper than a Fjord - and think of the potential hybrid vigor! But why would you want to have your mare bred to have a less valuable offspring? Somehow this still doesn't make much sense. I could at least see a reason if the resulting offspring was going to be worth more money that a real Fjord foal would be.
Re: We are pleased to announce....
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/30/00 8:27:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Last night at 9:19 PM, we were able to be present (and assist) the birth of a beautiful little filly. She looks like she will be a White Dun Norwegian Fjord with the longest legs I have ever seen on a foal. Congratulations on your filly. She sounds wonderful. Will look forward to seeing the pictures of her. Pamela
Re: Cross Breeding
This message is from: Anneli Sundkvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sherri wrote: Depending on what it was crossed with it can look like a Pure Bred Fjord to a none Fjord person. This happens here in Sweden where fjords have been rather common, and most horse-people therefore have seen a few fjords. When I worked in the pony camp (80+ fjords) I encountered a family who had bought a pure-bred fjordhorse who they brought to the camp (sometimes the kids brought their own horses). When the horse came out of the trailer it was quite clear that she was a pony-cross. Smaller, darker, thinner than any of our fjords (that were of all sizes) and with somewhat different markings - the mane more greyish, the legs darker, the markings on the head different. I told the family that their horse was not a pure-bred fjord and they just REFUSED TO BELIVE ME! Outside the stable some 20 PUREBRED FJORDS were tied up waiting to have farrier work done. The family just couldn't see the diffrence between their horse and these horses. Then the owner of the camp turned up and spontaneously said something like: Oh, a pony-cross. That made the family realise that MABYE I know what I was talking about. I later explained to them that I had nothing against their horse but I didn't want what was obviously a cross be labeled as a purebred fjord. The family that had brought a broadmare and came to have her covered by our sire is another (sad) story. We thought the mare looked a bit strange (very heavy, dark, undefined markings etc) when unloaded and asked to se her papers. She was by a Belgian stallion out of a fjordmare and had been sold to the family as a broadmare! They didn't know enough about bloodlines to realise what she was. They had bought a mare because they wanted to breed from here and ended up with this horse, who they loved dearly but was not what they wanted. We all know that horses sometimes don't turn out the way you have expected - but in this case the mare never had the possibility to become the horse they dreamed of because she was not pure-bred. I'm sure she would have been the right horse for somebody who wanted a horse for logging, driving and/or farmwork (beeing very drafty) but the seller just wanted to make some extra $$$ to sell her as a broad mare! I often hear people who own cross-breds say that their horses 'look just like a purebred fjord'. So far, I haven't seen a cross-bred who actually DO look like a pure-bred, but many non-fjord-people haven't seen enough 'real' fjords to recognize the characteristics of the breed and to know what diffrences that are TO different. In many cases, the cross-breds that are sold as pure-breds are bought to be riding/driving horses and in those cases the 'damage' is limited, but IF the owners want to breed there are problems: most stallion-owners don't accept the mare, which makes the owners disappointed. But som fjord-stallion-owners actually DO ACCEPT crossbreds which results in MORE cross-breds. A cross-bred can be a nice HORSE but it's not a FJORDHORSE! Regards Anneli ** Anneli Sundkvist Dept. of Archaeology Ancient History St. Eriks torg 5 75310 Uppsala SWEDEN +46-18-4712082 (work) +46-18-553627 (home)
