Re: 20 guage
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shotguns were big in 'Nam. Rapid-fire, large-magazine weapons to chop the brush and hopefully hit any enemy hiding there. Merek
Re: Microchips
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/12/00 6:00:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Great idea - but what would you do with a horse that HAS no chestnuts? None? Nowhere? How about the ergots? I don't really think they shed the whole thing, though you know about peeling them off not one of my favorite jobs, but oh well Maybe he's got teeny tiny ones. I don't know. Something I've never heard of, but anything is possible on this earth. Pamela
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #48
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] re ticks Select products puts out a fly spray that repels ticks also. It is expensive, but as long as I remember to use it Baldur doesn't get covered in ticks on trial rides. Here in CT we seem to have a real problem with them...heck I live 20 minutes from Lyme! The also put out some super supplements. I had Baldur on their Bioten for a year after I got him to my barn and his feet are finally holding shoes on. Kate in CT mom to Baldur
Re: Another Fjord Site Coming Soon
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/12/00 9:57:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The archives will go back to day one of the list. The site protects email addresses from harvesters by changing them to graphics, and I intend to make our archives private and password protected. This is good news. I've printed some of the information that I thought extremely relevant to have, and sometimes the printer has broken midjob, after I've lost the original email. OR I've saved things in my computer's Personal Filing Cabinet, only to find my husband has been upgrading my computer, and during upgrading has deleted all my old AOL stuff. And I already asked you to send me the old stuff once! I didn't want to ask again. But if they are all, from day one, archived in one place, that will be wonderful! I especially like keeping our email names unavailable to spam operators. Thanks! Pamela
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: Kim Gibson-Rogstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Jean Gayle Never used one in the military , but learned to plink wih it for trap and sceet.The airbourne had them at one time though 12 gauge.Something I learned and was passing on. Gunnar Rogstad Tall Pines
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: Bushnell's [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 06:22 PM 02/12/2000 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: linda hickam [EMAIL PROTECTED] cougars are NOT endangered... by cracky, they will be if Peg spots them! ha ha ha they may not be categorically an Endangered species, but they are protected probably, at least here in Montana, unless you have a permit, per quota. Ruthie
Re: Stock protection
This message is from: Bushnell's [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 02:48 PM 02/12/2000 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: fjords [EMAIL PROTECTED] We live in cougar country as well. We have a stock protection dog that is absolutely magnificent. He is an Akbash,.. http://www.whitelands.com/akbash/main.cfm I love my Akbash he is more fun then a loaded gun. Lauren Sellars Lauren, I couldn't seem to connect with that website for some reason..? I hope I may yet see a photo of one though, sounds like a great dog for the country. (not that I'm in the market for one! just curiosity) Ruthie
Re: Angel horse pin
This message is from: Laurie Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd like to see one Jill. Laurie - Original Message - From: Handwovens by Jill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 5:11 PM Subject: Angel horse pin This message is from: Handwovens by Jill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some time ago a few people had asked about angel horse pins. I have created a little pin. Please e-mail me privately if you would like to see a photo of one. Thanks, Jill
Re: Microchips
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Merek, you've gotta think outside the box for this one. You go to the local auctions, people ARE handling the horses. A quick swipe with an alcohol swab, and then a quick ink stamp and voila. Great idea - but what would you do with a horse that HAS no chestnuts? While brushing Sindar yesterday prior to the farrier's visit, I noticed that he has NO chestnuts anywhere. And, no, it's not because they are lost in his winter coat - the farrier checked too and could not find any. Possibly some horses periodically shed their chestnuts? Which would also make it difficult to identify those horses until their chestnuts grew in again. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Say Gunnar when did the military use shotguns? When I went to Germany they started me out on carbines for hunting and I thought this was the lightest gun. Even shot from horse back with these.Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: Fiskars/ Nancy's method
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aha Jean in Alaska I see that you mean you do not leave the black higher than the white and then bevel so that the highest point is black. I think that is what I heard about Nancy Lehnert that she does that by pushing the mane over and doing the outside. Fiskars or clippers? Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: linda hickam [EMAIL PROTECTED] cougars are NOT endangered... -- From: Alison Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: 20 guage Date: Sat, Feb 12, 2000, 7:08 PM This message is from: Alison Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hmm, I can't find the original comment on cougar problems so can't comment of the situation, but before you kill them please remember that they are an endangered species. They are endangered mostly because they have been shot bu farmers. Please make sure it is absolutely necessary before you kill one.
Nancy Lehnert
This message is from: Ursula Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry to use the list in this manner. Nancy, I have lost your new e-mail address and need to talk to you...please contact me privately Ursula Brian Jensen Trinity Fjords Box 1032 Lumby BC Canada V0E-2G0 http://okjunc.junction.net/~ujensen/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (250) 547-6303
Angel horse pin
This message is from: Handwovens by Jill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some time ago a few people had asked about angel horse pins. I have created a little pin. Please e-mail me privately if you would like to see a photo of one. Thanks, Jill
Friesian/ BOD's
This message is from: fjords [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from Lauren Sellars, at Snowy Mtn Fjords Personally I wish the fjord could be recognised as a great kids horse instead of the rich man?s horse. Reality is that very few families with young kids can afford a registered Fjord. If a certain person got her way, most of us couldn't even afford to breed fjords... How many of us can afford to hire trainers full time and/or take endless classes in every discipline then travel hundreds of miles, /or across international borders to get to evaluations. Not all of us that is for sure. There are many great stallions that haven?t even made it to the show ring yet. Not because they are inferior but maybe because the cost is very prohibitive and possibly owners don?t have show experience. For us to take a few horses to Montana it cost at least a thousand dollars. That is a lot of money for a family farmer. I would rather thank the BODs for giving their free time, then chew on them for not reading every weather report, everybody?s opinion on mules or goats or weed control how to shoot a 20 gaug. I enjoy hearing this but I wouldn? t want every BOD to feel bad about not reading it. Otherwise we will have very few volunteers to do the jobs that need to be done. We might wind up with some volunteers that get in by acclamation. These volunteers just might have ulterior motives.$$ Excuse me if this sounds harsh, but I would rather see more people afford fjords, then less. The Fjord horse has given me great happiness, as all of you. I never could have afforded one, if I had to pay 10,000 U.S for mine. That does not make them inferior or take away from the joy they bring. Time to ride on a mare that has never even seen a judge. These horses are for fun for all. Lauren Sellars Lauren Sellars
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: Alison Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hmm, I can't find the original comment on cougar problems so can't comment of the situation, but before you kill them please remember that they are an endangered species. They are endangered mostly because they have been shot bu farmers. Please make sure it is absolutely necessary before you kill one.
Stock protection
This message is from: fjords [EMAIL PROTECTED] We live in cougar country as well. We have a stock protection dog that is absolutely magnificent. He is an Akbash, a rare breed simular to a great Pyrenees. He is calm, sweet and serious business when it comes to protecting stock . Our entire herd pay close attention to him. Unfortunately he is getting very old and needs to teach a young one soon. There is a web page on Akbash Dogs worth checking out. In the winter you can really see the story written in the snow. He is doing his job. There are cougars out there but generally they don?t come closer then about 3/4 of a mile. He keeps bears coyotes away as well. I would not want to be without a stock protection dog. They do not behave like other dogs ie. Shepherds that obey all your commands . They think for themselves and stock protection comes above anything. They need unlimited space. So may not be appropriate for all farms. For those of us in very rural areas they are truly a God send. A perfect combination with such fine horses. http://www.whitelands.com/akbash/main.cfm I love my Akbash he is more fun then a loaded gun. Lauren Sellars
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: Kim Gibson-Rogstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello I just had to respond to the question of the 20 guage.Now the 20 is just as effective as a. 12 gauge if you use the right loads.If your 20 can take magnum loads that can roughly bring you up to a 12 gauge 2 and 3/4 load.It just depends on how many grains of powder in the load and type of shot when using SSG or SLUG (ssg 12, 32 calibre rounds, slug is one round in 12 gauge its 50 caliber),but with any kind of shot your good for roughly 50 feet,Slug you should be able to shoot to 100 yards.A shotgun does not have to be used from the shoulder it can be used from the waist by holding it in to your side using it this way there is no recoil.When using shot this is quite an effective method.Just practise on plastic bottles.Shotgun or rifle it does not matter they still both kill. Sorry to be long winded about this, but use to be a small arms coach in the military. Gunnar Rogstad Tall Pines
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #49
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Rollins) Hello from Cornerstone Fjords in Deer Park, Wa. About a week ago on the list a runaway accident was described that occured at Libby two years ago while participants were readying themselves for the big parade there. I wanted to comment on that incident as I was a witness to it. I didn't feel the description was very accurate. Many people were present there that could easily describe how upset this little mare was at being hitched. Her foal was also attatched to her by a string or rope and she didn't want to step into her spot next to the pole. She was jumping back and forth and side to side and I remember the foal was finally unhooked as she kept moving and bumping into it. This little mare was an accident waiting to happen and it was visible to all who saw it. I remember a lot of us were comforted by the fact that Howard Berge, an experienced driver stepped in to assist in what way he could. After finally hitching them them got only a small distance away before they started to run. It was a miracle that they didn't get into more trouble than they did. As it was, Howard's wife Lois was hurt considerably being slammed into the back of the driver's seat. This was an upsetting thing to watch and the smartest move afterward was to unhook this pair and not go into the parade. It would have been a poor decision to contine working with them on the show grounds as many people and spectators could have been injured. A show is not a place to correct and run them til they stop.. A show and parade are places where well trained and worked with animals are presented for judging in events that they are suited for. This was not the case in this instance. The safety of participants and spectators at a show is paramount. The Libby show has an excellent reputation for safety and I for one want to keep it that way. We must strive to handle our animals in a manner befitting the event we are entering in and keep in mind that the show has both experienced horse people and non-horse people attending. We must also encourage new and old alike to recieve training in the discipline they are interesed in. The Libby show is a wonderful place where even beginners with some training and experience can recieve sound advise and assistence when they need it. It is only by passing on our experience that we insure that the breed we love is presented to the public in a safe and proper manner. I hope that any fjord presented at any of our fine fjord shows around the country and in Canada is in healthy shape, groomed and trimmed properly, and has recieved training in the discipline they are being shown in. I look forward to seeing all the wonderful folks again this fall at Libby. Much planning and preparation has already been taking place to insure this year is even better than ever. I would like to personally thank Sherrie Dayton in particular for working so hard on the show.If you have never been to Libby I would encourage you to plan ahead to come. I know you won't be sorry. On a personal note I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of one of our foals due in March. Our first one due will be out of our mare Budeia. She was bred to Penfrydd's Raynor (a Kongard son), owned by Ursula Jensen. We are excited about this match ! I promise to write in and announce when the big day arrives. We love our mare Bud, (affectionally know as spudnick at home). This is an exciting season and I enjoy hearing everyone's good news . I also feel sadness when a little one is lost, I pray we never experience that. Well this is much longer than I intended. Kathleen Rollins
Re: Fiskars/ Nancy's method
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] NO, NO, I arch it to shape a nice arch over the neck, but initially it is cut straight across from one side to the other, unless I am leaving the black a half inch higher in the middle. Then I bevel the sides so it is higher down the center line than on the sides. ...IE the black center stripe is higher and it slopes off on either side. this shows the black stripe pretty well and may be a bit easier than actually cutting the white a half inch shorter. I still sort of like the looks of the straight cut, tho, depends on the season and the horse. Adel, with no real stripe (only an increasing number of scattered black hairs) looks best in the summer with a nice arched cut that is fairly short and flat from side to side. Then you can tell it is mane and not her neck! LOL Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska. I'm going to actually ride one of these guys today, in my little arena (No place else to ride with deep snow) Love this weather! Jean in Alaska, you say you cut the mane straight across? Do you mean you do not arch it over the upper neck to the ears? Jean in Aberdeen Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #48
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] to carol m. , the only thing i can suggest for ticks would be spray um. Since you mentioned spray... I would reccomend Adams flea and Tick, blue spray bottle. Contains permethrins (sp?).Found it highly effective against deer ticks in Ca. I found it in Jeffer's catalog. They have a dog formula that they claim also works onhorses, and now a horse version, I've tried both they work. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: Fiskars/ Nancy's method
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean in Alaska, you say you cut the mane straight across? Do you mean you do not arch it over the upper neck to the ears? Jean in Aberdeen Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List, A response to the coyote/mountain lion deterrant thread. Back in California, when I was pioneer woman ,(that's what my friends called me, as we had no running water or electricity),in San Andreas,Ca,in the Calif. Foothill Gold country,(not too far away from where Denise Delgado lives), we had TONS of coyotes and the occasional mountain lion. We used a 12 gauge to shoot over the coyotes when they came in close during daylight hours, and if the scream of the mountain lion was close, but mostly my favorite tactic was the 'ol pot banging technique, screaming like a banshee at the same time. Great release at the end of a busy day! We never had a coyote attack the dogs or stock, and niether with the mountain lion. Our friends who live up closer to where Denise lives,about 10 miles away upcountry in a more treed/deeper drainage area, do have a significant problem, as they have goats poultry who have been attacked. They now have a rottwieler that they swear has cut down the actual mortality, but not frequency of visits. I did have a weird close call early one morning. I awoke very early to pick up my mother in law from the airport. Half asleep I heard the strangest caterwauling, coming from the creek area below. I thought it was some of the local cats yukking it up doing the mating thing. I left for the airport, and when I returned, I saw the foaling paddock with the no climb fencing split clean in half. Apparently the cat screaming had continued, and my husband ran out and witnessed my 5 mo. old filly Tise taking a big run at the fence. She didn't stop at the fence, just kept going, breaking the corral boards as well as splitting the fence. She was remarkably unhurt, only a little cut on her chest, and what I can only describe as a slight re-alignment, or shifting of her face: one eye is slightly higher now than the other. Didn't seem to affect her later on, as she has a blue in conformation and a silver medallion in performance from the NFHR. Guess the cat was a little too close for her comfort. Never found tracks, and can only assume that the sound traveled quite a distance up the drainage. Here in Nevada, the big cats are much more scarce, but when they do make it into town, they are usually shot and killed,( a real tragedy IMO),and then the big debate starts about trapping vs. killing... __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: Fiskars
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] For those that do not know which Fiskars seem to work the best check this site. It has a picture of the best ones we have found. http://www.fiskars.com/crafts/softouch_scissors/softouch_multi-purpose/softo uch_multi-purpose.html Also if you want to look around this is the Fiskars web site: http://www.fiskars.com You will see that they make a lot more than scissors.
Re: Fiskars/ Nancy's method
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I cut the mane straight across (one side at a time) and then with one hand push the mane over to one side, and then cut the hair that sticks out, winding up with a beveled edge. Is this very clear? experiment with holding the mane over to one side and see how the outside hairs will stick out longer, thus you can bevel them off. I usually dress up the manes this way a little even if I intend to leave them fairly blunt cut across. (I'm sure this is about as clear as mud! LOL) Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, ANOTHER +20's day, a year ago this date it was -50! We have had about 4 weeks of this balmy weather now! And over 8 hours between sunrise and sunset! Laurie I hear Nancy lays the mane over some way and just zips along. Any ideas? Jean Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fiskars
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] you can get them at most hardware stores, walmart, drugstores, sewing and fabric storesthey are pretty common. denise
Re: Fiskars
This message is from: Laurie Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Laurie I hear Nancy lays the mane over some way and just zips along. Any ideas? Jean Sorry Jean. I guess I didn't get that tip. : ) Laurie
Re: Fiskars
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] misha, fiskars are the best!! you can get them anywhere. they have orange handles and the newer ones come in different colors. just make sure they are fiskars. i did quinn yesterday after a break in the rain. he was sopping wet and my husband, ralph, said he looked like some sort of wild bushman with his winter mane almost covering his neck, sticking out in all directions. he shamed me into grooming. so out i went and i was done in 10-15minutes. this is with quinn, an almost 3 year old, who does'nt sit still unless he is sleeping or eating! poor knutie, my almost 8 yo. quinn loves to chase him, nip him and sumo wrestle him. but knute only takes s much! denise in mud-pie makin, mokelumne hill, calif.
Re: manes
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] karen, where do you send the hair and how much does it cost? denise
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] peg, lions have been known to jump into paddocks and runs, over the bars and fencing to get to their desired target. the monitor sounds like a good idea as does the radio tuned to an all night talk show. good luck, denise
Re: Fiskars
This message is from: Walter Monheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Misha, Here in Wisconsin we have Fleet Farms and I buy Fiscars Shop Shears they are grey with a black handle and a orange safety clip, they are spring loaded and are very easy on the thumbs and hands, as I have bad thumbs and am able to clip three fjords at a time before I get tired. The springs really help. I believe they are around $16.00/$18.00 a pair and last a long time, We have 8 fjords that get clipped every 4/6 weeks and have been using them for two years and just started to use our second pair. Sherle in Northen Wisconsin where its a chilly 14 below. Spring will come some day. misha nogha wrote: This message is from: misha nogha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey you guys. How can you cut a bunch of Fjord manes with a scissors. I get about half way through a mane and the scissors gets dull and I get blisters on my hands. I always use clippers but since I have horses in so many different areas of the farm it would be nice to just take a scissors out there instead of haul out all the clipper stuff or bring horses in for the mane trim. So are these Fiskars the real good ones and where do you get em? And will they cut even thick Fjord manes? Misha
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #48
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] to carol m. , the only thing i can suggest for ticks would be spray um. works around here, though we don't have much lyme disease. the ticks attach here mostly in the spring and fall. they are'nt a big horse problem. they mostly bother the dogs that run through the grasses and weeds here. may cut away low hanging branches on trees and keep them out of the brush during the tick season? denise
Re[2]: sales horses on video and Myopia
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Denise-- Thursday, February 10, 2000, you wrote: laura, i hate to be stupid, but what other types of driving do they combine the water hazards with to get that name? iow, why do they call it combined driving? honestly, i don't know..i just ride. denise, who needs some enlightening. For a good picture primer on Combined Driving see the Eastern Nebraska Driving Society web site. You can find it at: http://groups.discoveromaha.com/ENDS/. Also, anyone interested in learning more about combined driving, is invited to attend the Ninth Annual Nebraska Pioneer CDE, in Tecumseh, Nebraska on June 3 and 4. If you're interested in a closeup picture of the sport, we welcome volunteers to work the dressage, cones and marathon courses. Anyone interested in competing, we are offering training, open preliminary, and intermediate divisions. There will be single and multiple, horses and ponies classes, with combined tests at all levels. Entries open April 1. It's a friendly, fun show with good Midwestern hospitality. -- Steve McIlree -- Pferd Skipper -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA When I bestride him, I soar, I am a hawk...the basest horn of his hoof is more musical than the pipe of Hermes. --William Shakespeare(1564-1616)
Re: Camargue saddles
This message is from: saskia schoofs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Anneli, thought that he had made his choice and I had to get used to it. Now I have - I now think my saddle is VERY comfortable (proves that we can get used to almost anything:o) I thought it looked very comfortable on that picture. And a beautiful form/colour! Strange, those Camargue-saddles. When I was there, along the roads hundreds of those horses stood waiting for tourists, and all had a typical Camargue-saddle (most of them not in very good shape). Well, alternatives enough in the Spanish/Portuguese saddles. I like western saddles as well (never been on one, though) and there is a big western-tack shop nearby, but all their saddles have such a funny colour... I like the colour your saddle has most of all. Through the window I see my Shet Janosch playing with Sybren. How nice it is to have horses!!! hjärtliga hälsingar from stormy Belgium! Saskia (having a mother who studies Swedish in the evenings and knows how to say heartly greetings ;-) I hope it's correctly spelled etc.!)
Re: Fiskars
This message is from: Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 13:55 2/12/2000 +0300, you wrote: This message is from: sini seppala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Misha So are these Fiskars the real good ones and where do you get em? Yes I think they're really good for this. Just make sure they are no copies - it should say Fiskars and Finland on them. Have sometimes bought some which looked about the same but were less durable. In fact they couldn't take a Fjord mane without going to pieces. Fiskars is actually a place in Finland and there is an old famous factory over there that makes knives, forks, tools etc. - also camp spades for the US army these days, by the way. 'Fiskare' is the same as 'Fisherman' so the history of this area has a lot to do with shipping. It's on the Southern-Western coast of Finland. Thank you for reminding - went out and trimmed two manes right after reading your post.:) Good luck Sini. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html More FisKars: The single bottom plow for my tractor and the also the felling lever I use in the woods are Fiskars. I have seen their plows with up six bottoms on them. Richard ** Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] 156 Sarty Rd RR1 Barss Corners, NS1-902-644-3288 CA B0R 1A0 **
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 06:03 PM 2/11/00 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: Knutsen Fjord Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all - Thanks for the input about the 20-guage. But here's the deal. No one recommended it to me for cougar. I got it because a 12-gauge is too much for me. I have arthritis in my hands and don't have as much upper body strength as I would like. Soccer doesn't build that part of you. Maybe I should just go up to the cat and give him/her a good kick! Well it might be better than just wounding it letting it suffer actually. Unless your at a very close range a 20 gauge probably won't kill a Cougar (or a coyote). Is your intention to just shoot over it scare it or shooting at it? If your going to be shooting at it you might want to save that last shot for when it is just a couple of feet away. As I mentioned, the most likely use will be for coyotes, but this model holds three shells and makes just as much noise as any other gun. I don't want a rifle around the house - this is what I'm comfortable with. If all you want to do is make noise it can be done with some much safer devices than a shotgun.
Re: Fiskars
This message is from: sini seppala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Misha So are these Fiskars the real good ones and where do you get em? Yes I think they're really good for this. Just make sure they are no copies - it should say Fiskars and Finland on them. Have sometimes bought some which looked about the same but were less durable. In fact they couldn't take a Fjord mane without going to pieces. Fiskars is actually a place in Finland and there is an old famous factory over there that makes knives, forks, tools etc. - also camp spades for the US army these days, by the way. 'Fiskare' is the same as 'Fisherman' so the history of this area has a lot to do with shipping. It's on the Southern-Western coast of Finland. Thank you for reminding - went out and trimmed two manes right after reading your post.:) Good luck Sini. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
