Fjords for sale, and fjord wanted
This message is from: misha nogha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey Guys: Terri Letcher from Washington State is looking for a well broke gelding for her fourteen year old daughter for pony club. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just sold mine to girl of same age. I still have for sale, four year old mare, just started, 14.1 hands brown dun and gorgeous Snowy's Harmony, Yearling gelding, will be 14.1 athletic, sporty, very sweet and gentle, weanling gelding, should mature 14 h, long legged, very pretty type with dished face, weanling filly should mature 14 h, cute as a bug and sporty, 15 year old mare, broke to drive, mostly a broodmare who has produced wonderful foals. Misha Shota Fjords [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Panic snaps & other stuff
This message is from: Jon & Mary Ofjord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Listers; Just trying to catch up on all the emails since we were away at Blue Earth. We didn't bring any of our horses, but did transport a stallion for someone else, and helped, and got in the way too! Had a great time seeing old friends and making new ones. Great looking bunch of Fjords at the show & evaluation. I have a question for anyone who may care to answer...I have always put a panic snap or trailer tie with the panic snap-end attached to the ring or stationery object, and the bull snap attached to the horse's halter. Some folks do just the opposite, attaching the panic snap to the horse's halter. Is there a correct way to do this? Or is it just personal preferences? I had to chuckle when I read about people losing equipment where they board. While I'm sure losing equipment does happen, I'm forever picking up stray brushes, whips, lead ropes and other assorted stuff left laying around by our boarders. I have a central "Lost & Found" bucket where I put the stray stuff and they can reclaim it when it comes up missing. Our county will also be losing our horse vet. He & his family just moved here about two years ago. All of the horse owners in this and the next county were elated to finally have a vet up here. But due to health problems, they have to move back to the big city. WAH! We will be "Vet-less In Northern Minnesota" again. Any vets out there wanna move up to a cool part of the country? Wonderful people, beautiful area, great horses...well, we can only hope. Carol R..As far as Blue Earth went, all the Green Valley Farm mares placed high, especially at halter & evalutaion, and the Rokida Fjord stallions placed high in Halter & evaluation, but (IMHO) never the twain shall meet. It was great to see Obie from Starfire Farms and see how well their horses were trained. Those ladies do a great job, along with many others at the show. Gotta go to bed.. Mary Ofjord North Coast Fjords
Re: ring bone
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike, again thanks for the information on that site.Also there is an article the sight. Also thanks for the printable flyer on information you have on the NFHR page. I have given out already around a dozen to people that stop in for information. I am going to set a box full out front (like the ones the Realtors use.) With our Fjord information. I have made copies to use, of the NFHR on the back of our flyers. PS did you get our request for DNA packets and reg. applications OK ? Tillie Bud & Tillie Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
Re: ring bone
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hmmm! Mike you really know how to hurt a gal. But then again thanks for the info. Grr!! Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Shirley
This message is from: "Bushnell's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 02:02 PM 08/02/2000 -0700, you wrote: >This message is from: "Oscar and Shirley Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >1. Trimming manes: Hi Shirley! You know how I manage the mane arch? I see in my mind a perfectly symmetrical rainbow shape peaking at the half point. You know how you have to look ahead of your scissors when cutting material to get a straight line.. that's what I do with the envisioned rainbow. Would you believe our horses are so happy they don't bust out of their contented pastures? What's with all these escapes? Just kidding!!! =)) Glad to know you're hanging in there through this despicable heat. Working up a website so get that drum roll going.. my best to all, Ruthie, nw mt (not far from Shirley's) 2. New Zealand fencing: We have it - I love it. The big springs that we >have at intervals give enough to handle snow and ran away horses (but not >the local moose that takes out my fence periodically). My stud ran into our >fence at a full gallop. Gus was unmarked, and is now well trained in >avoiding that nasty little bite that comes with a hot wire. I also had a >young gelding try to jump the fence. The insulator broke - more slack built >into the system. We have used the New Zealand system for eight years, >without mishap. > >On to other projects. >Shirley Anderson. > > > > >
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This message is from: "Oscar and Shirley Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Two thoughts came to mind while I read yesterdays list. 1. Trimming manes: When we purchased our first Fjord from Larry Boe several years ago he suggested the following method. Begin cutting at the withers and angle up the mane until you are above the fullest part of the neck (about 2/3s of the way up the neck), at this point hair length should be about 3 fingers deep. Now start at the bridle path and angle up to meet the other cut. Round the point off. If you want to trim the hair to show that wonderful black strip - trim about 1 finger of the white hair along entire length of mane. Of course practice makes perfect. 2. New Zealand fencing: We have it - I love it. The big springs that we have at intervals give enough to handle snow and ran away horses (but not the local moose that takes out my fence periodically). My stud ran into our fence at a full gallop. Gus was unmarked, and is now well trained in avoiding that nasty little bite that comes with a hot wire. I also had a young gelding try to jump the fence. The insulator broke - more slack built into the system. We have used the New Zealand system for eight years, without mishap. On to other projects. Shirley Anderson.
Re: sucrus (sp)??
This message is from: "Patty Bronson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks, the vet referred to it as "street nail". Patty
Re: ring bone
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 12:01 PM 8/2/00 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carol I also tried to find info on ring bone on the net without success. Hmm I found some info on the first try. Here is a link: http://www.nutri.org/cgi-bin/uk/load.cgi?lnk=http://www.nutri.org/cgi-bin/uk/problems.cgi?dp=h and then: http://www.horseshoes.com/search/htsearch.cgi?config=htdig&restrict=&exclude=&method=all&sort=score&words=ring+bone Mike 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com
Re: ring bone
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thank you Steve for a clear picture of what I may be dealing with. Re balancing the hoof, the ferrier feels the side bone, if that is what we are dealing with, gives the appearance of the hoof being out of balance. He is an old timer and teaches at the ferrier school so I think he would be doing a good job. I will have it x-rayed if it does not stay small, altho we have few horse vets in the vicinity. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: ring bone
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carol I also tried to find info on ring bone on the net without success. I did reach Dr. Huber at Oregon State Vet school who advised of two types. Also, he said side bone is different than ring bone and does not become ring bone. Ring bone is a calcium deposit either high or low on the pastern. Low is the most difficult and high lets them fuse the joints to help with pain. He felt that as my big Trakehner is 19 and retired there should not be too much trouble. Problem is greatest where a horse is being kept sound to work. I did hear a rumor that ring bone may be caused by too much calcium especially re race horses who are kept stabled. Seems to me there is a lot more to that i.e. racing as a youngster when the joints are not finished forming. Dr. Huber suggested three days of DMSO, three days off, three more days dmso and then no more. I am having trouble with my horse as he tends to over react to meds and gets the "whuffles" snorting and stamping for about an hour. I elected to do the DMSO every other day and off for seven. We are on the off seven right now. The swelling has reduced more than half. Where it was tennis ball size it is now ping pong ball size. Whether it remains that way is to be seen. Steve can you help us here? Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: ring bone
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gail, > Is "sidebone" just "ring bone" that doesn't "ring" P2? Sidebone is not the same condition. Sidebone is a mineralization of the lateral cartilages in the foot. You will see these commonly in older horses especially drafts. It used to be thought they could be a source of lameness, but now the general thought is that they are not a problem. Is there > preventive > management for sidebone? Keeping a well balanced foot. Avoiding hard concussion (i.e. riding on hard roads) Sometimes it just seems like they will get them no matter what though. > Farrier thought > there > was nothing to do for it but try to trim his foot better. If there > is > something to be done about it I should get the vet out and do x > rays, etc. It sounds like that is probably sidebone, but I would hate to make a diagnosis thru email. Sure wouldn't hurt to have it xrayed to be sure. Sometimes if there is sidebone, then other things may be present (i.e. ringbone). As your farrier said, keep the foot trimmed up well. Dubbing the toe seems to help a lot with the hock spavin. Steve White Waterloo, Nebraska
Re: sucrus (sp)??
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Patty, I think you may mean the sulcus, as in the sulcus of the frog. This is just the little "canyon" in between the frog and the sole. Not really a structure, but more like a space. This is a pretty common injury. I've dug all kinds of stuff out of there: sticks, nails, screws, teeth, old hypodermic needles. Steve White Waterloo, Nebraska
Re: salt replacement
This message is from: "Patty Bronson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thank you everyone on the salt info. I just wanted to make sure no one was being "deprived" of something they needed. Patty
Re: ring bone
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Is "sidebone" just "ring bone" that doesn't "ring" P2? Is there preventive management for sidebone? My farrier pointed out some not-yet-hardened bony growth on the inside of a hind pastern - just above the coronary band on one of my horses. This is the horse whose hock conformation is not the best, and whose upper hock joints are in the process of fusing. On downhills it appears that he weights the inside of that foot to avoid flexing his hocks (though it is better when we get his upper hock joint injected) . Farrier thought there was nothing to do for it but try to trim his foot better. If there is something to be done about it I should get the vet out and do x rays, etc. TIA Gail > >Treatment and prognosis for ringbone would depend on the stage that it is >in. If it is in the early stages where it is just barely seen on x rays, >then with treatment you can have a good prognosis of managing it. If it >is advanced with lots of changes seen on the x rays, then it can be >pretty tough to keep the horse sound. Treatments include rest, cold >therapy (ice water soaks), corticosteroids (injected right into the joint >if articular), and surgery for advanced cases. Also, it is very >important to keep the foot properly trimmed and balanced. Many of the >ringbones that I see are from a foot that is out of balance so one side >is carrying more weight than the other. > >I can go on about this complex problem, but maybe this will get you >started and if you have more specific questions I'll be happy to answer >what I can. Hope this helps! > >Steve White >Waterloo, Nebraska > > Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Address change
This message is from: "Meredith Sessoms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all ... please note that I am changing my address tomorrow. The new address will be: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .:.; Meredith Sessoms ;.:. .:...:.:; Tooksend Art ;:.:...:. Moulton . Alabama . USA .:..:.;.:..:.
sucrus (sp)??
This message is from: "Patty Bronson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dr. White Would you explain what the "sucrus" (I have no idea if I'm saying or spelling correctly as I can't find it any books - probably a good sign I'm misspelling it). My mare ran a stick through the "sucrus" up under the frog and broke it off. The vet has removed the stick (about the size of your index finger and approximately 3 inches long). It went in at an angle causing a smaller portion to slide in under the frog. Patty
Re: ring bone
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carol, Describing ringbone may be a little difficult to do without illustrations, but I will try to do my best. Also, I'm not sure of your knowledge of the anatomy of the lower limb, so if I get too basic then please excuse me. On the other hand if something is unclear, please let me know. There are 3 main bones in the lower limb below the fetlock (ankle): the 1st phalanx (P1) or the long pastern bone, the second phalanx (P2) or short pastern bone, and the third phalanx (P3) or coffin bone. P1 and P2 make up the pastern and the coffin bone sits inside the hoof. The navicular bone sits behind the coffin bone, but it isn't important in this discussion. Ringbone is a deposit of bony growths along P2. You can have ringbone on upper P1, but then we call it osselets for some reason. There are different forms of ringbone depending on the location. You can have high ringbone or low ring depending on the which level of P2 is involved, and you can have articular and non articular ringbone depending on if it involves the joint or not. Articular ringbone is kind of like an arthritis in the joint. Non articular ringbone is a calcification on the bone where the tendons and ligaments attach due to a straining or tearing of these structures. You can have a combination of these (i.e. high articular ringbone would involve the joint between P1 and P2) Treatment and prognosis for ringbone would depend on the stage that it is in. If it is in the early stages where it is just barely seen on x rays, then with treatment you can have a good prognosis of managing it. If it is advanced with lots of changes seen on the x rays, then it can be pretty tough to keep the horse sound. Treatments include rest, cold therapy (ice water soaks), corticosteroids (injected right into the joint if articular), and surgery for advanced cases. Also, it is very important to keep the foot properly trimmed and balanced. Many of the ringbones that I see are from a foot that is out of balance so one side is carrying more weight than the other. I can go on about this complex problem, but maybe this will get you started and if you have more specific questions I'll be happy to answer what I can. Hope this helps! Steve White Waterloo, Nebraska
Re: salt replacement
This message is from: Don & Jane Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Our gelding, Geilo uses the salt block once a day. He waits until I've scrubbed out the water tank and filled it with clean water. Then he gets a big mouthful of water, spits it over the block, licks and smears until his mouth is full of muck, gargles throughly in the water tank. He repeats this process until the water is satisfactorily muddied. Occassionally, he'll replace mud for the salt to decorate the water! :) Jane
Re: salt replacement
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Patty - same here with my two horses. I put a large salt block, along with the smaller mineral blocks, out in the paddock. Both horses lick them out there. Go figure :) Linda in MN
ring bone
This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List, Can someone give me an explanation of ring bone and what a problem it may be? A friend of my daughters has a horse that may have it. I have not been able to find any information about it on the internet. I would sure appreciate it since I am now curious about it too. Hopefully we will have some cooler and drier days now and less bugs in northern WI -- "Built FJORD tough" Carol M. On Golden Pond
SV: salt replacement
This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I belive that there is research going on about the need of electrolytes. In the last years, new salt supplements have reached the market here in Sweden. But from what I've heard, these supplements are not given on a daily bases, rather when the horse has undergone some kind of training/competing that has involved a lot of sweating;o) I belive that many endurance and eventing riders give their horses salt supplements after the comptetions. Regards Anneli * Anneli Sundkvist Department of Archaeology & Ancient History Uppsala University St. Eriks Torg 5 S-753 10 Uppsala Sweden Phone: +46-18-4712082 (dept.) +46-18-553627 (home)
