Re: Sore swollen eye - after hours vet help requested.
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gail, Try to pry the eyelids apart and examine the eye with a penlight. Is the cornea cloudy? Is there any discharge? "Bloodshot" appearance? These would be causes for calling the vet tonight. If the cornea is clear and the lids just appear puffy, then he probably just bumped the eye and got some swelling and you can call the vet tomorrow. You can apply a cold pack for awhile to help with the swelling. Generally, a uveitis will not cause a swelling in the lids, but they will squint. Has this horse had an episode of uveitis before? Hope this helps. Steve White Waterloo, NE
Fingerlakes show pictures
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lynn Binkowski) I just posted some pictures from the NY Fingerlakes show to my photopoint album. Some of the pictures are a little fuzzy, but hey, they're better than nothing! Just pretend it's winter and the fjords are fuzzy! The show was great and next year I hope to be too busy showing my own fjord to take any pictures! Here's the address: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=986491 Re: the Rein-Aid...I was the one who posted the original message. I've decided to try to make my own, but will only use them in the arena just in case the "brakes" aren't there anymore! Thanks for the feedback! Wet and drippy in CT, Lynn and Trina P.S. I think I just sent a blank message to the list...oops...sorry!
Sore swollen eye - after hours vet help requested.
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jim just called me out to look at his QH. His right eye is swollen, but with NO discharge and no evidence of injury at all. The lid - top and (I believe) bottom is swollen, and the eye is sort of partially closed. He looks sleepy in that eye. If I act like I am going to hit the eye, he blinks, but the reaction is slower than the other eye. Is this an emergency - where I need to get a vet NOW? The only thing I can think of is a blow to the eye - that he has the horsey equivalent of a black eye. I thought of uveitis, but there should be a discharge, according to my "Veterinary notes for horse owners (NOT all that helpful). Any thoughts? TIA - Gail Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sore swollen eye - after hours vet help requested.
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gail, Can't you call your vet and just ask him what he thinks? Got any eye salve or ointment that you could put in it? I should think if the eyeball was involved you could see the difference in size and liquid. Did you look under the lids? Roll the lid up or just pull it out and shine a light on it to see if there may be something irritating the eye. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Riding Ouch
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Don't feel bad, Tish (take more Ibuprofen, LOL) It has happened to me on Bjorken several times. Usually when I'm not paying attention, once coming back from a nice ride, relaxed on the trail behind my house, the neighbor started shooting squirrels. BAM! I was suddenly on the ground! I hung on to the reins, but had to almost crawl over to a stump and drag myself up on him to get home, my back was hurting so much. Took the longest time, also, to get him unsaddled, etc. I think it can happened with the best trained horse when they startle. Bjorken is perhaps getting better, only flinching in place, but the key is to stay alert and keep the horse focused on YOU. I think they startle more abruply when THEY are half asleep! I won't guarantee it will work all the time, but it helps. I have seen Bjorken startle in the pasture, once when I was up in the woods where he couldn't see me and broke a stick. He leaped sideways in a huge leap, no wonder I fell off when he did that riding him? You can, of course, get him used to sudden noises, spooky things so he'll be less likely to jump and dump you. Jean in still rainy Fairbanks,Alaska, (but I am STILL thankfull we don't have the fires!) > We came around the other side of the house, just walking all! > this while and BOOM suddenly I am off! From a nice easy ride, to grass up my nose. Of course I had my helmet on (thankfully, I did thump) and then must have landed on my left hip/then shoulder. Elph was curious enough to come over to look at me on the ground, then realized he could graze and thus proceeded. I hurt so bad, it took about half an hour to put him away and take about a thousand little half steps to my car. Luckily I could drive. > >So what happened is, when this guy gets startled, he doesn't run. Oh, no, no flight in him. It's EXPLODE, and big jump sideways, that is how he always reacts when startled. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2 year old behavior
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If it is boredom, try clicker training. I've recently discovered that clicker training works much better if I deliberately train away the "mugging behavior." When I do that, I get incredible willingness and softness. My stallion (after VERY LITTLE work) backs up when I merely point at his chest. And he will turn on the forehand with just a finger pointed at the back of his rib cage. And he comes to me looking all soft-eyed and interested. I highly recommend it - even if only as a break from "serious training." Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Riding Ouch
This message is from: "Tish Pasqual" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, Elph and I got a little adventurous this weekend, we were tired of just going round in the riding arena. I have been very successfully using a bitless bridle with him, and just gently tap with a bat when he has a "direction" problem that seat/leg then hands doesn't correct (he seems to get curious, turn to look at things, attention falls away . . . he is only three). Anyway, on Saturday we went out into the pasture with another horse/rider and made a few rounds. This is a mare that he is superior to in the pecking order, and he did try to herd her but I didn't let him get away with anything. We rode ahead, behind, to the left and right of the other horse/rider. He did very well. Then yesterday we rode in the ring, rode over to the round pen, in and out of it, then around the house. Past my car, down the hill, past the wishing well, hammock, deck. Then reverse, past those things again and up the hill. We came around the other side of the house, just walking all! this while and BOOM suddenly I am off! From a nice easy ride, to grass up my nose. Of course I had my helmet on (thankfully, I did thump) and then must have landed on my left hip/then shoulder. Elph was curious enough to come over to look at me on the ground, then realized he could graze and thus proceeded. I hurt so bad, it took about half an hour to put him away and take about a thousand little half steps to my car. Luckily I could drive. So what happened is, when this guy gets startled, he doesn't run. Oh, no, no flight in him. It's EXPLODE, and big jump sideways, that is how he always reacts when startled. I know I was more "on" that riding at that point, I had been lulled by very, very good behavior for the preceding half hour. So what to do? Any advice on how to get him to just stand when startled, as opposed to the big jump? I wonder if I had been ready for it if I could have stayed on or not (I have survived smaller jumps in the past). One good thing - the saddle (Orthoflex) did stay on so I must have had it properly cinched up! Otherwise Yours in Ibuprophen, Tish Crippled up and moving in Great Pain and Elphie Big Jump Equine in Minneapolis
Re: 2 year old behavior
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > This message is from Carol at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hi List, > As a new member of the list I've been following all > the threads with > interest. I'm training a 2 year old gelding, > Duster, Things > are going well for a > youngster, I believe, but what I'm encountering is > "when he's good, he's very > good".."when he's bad he's horrid" kind of > behavior. The > folks on the Fjord chat on > Sunday night suggested he was bored, and to do > shorter schooling > sessionshints would be appreciated and is this > typical 2 year old Fjord > behavior? Carol, >From our experience with Fjords, yes, this is typical two year old Fjord behavior. And yes, he probably is bored with the 'same old'. Challenge him - try him on something harder, he just might surprise you. Go easy on asking for lots of turns - or working too long at the trot or canter in a circle without a change of direction - as Fjords mature VERY slowly and his joints and tendons are still growing. He's still 'pretty loosely put together', so try not to overtax anything. We, and our trainer, used short - 15 to 20 minute - sessions for four days, then three days off, while training until the 'boys' were four years old. Then we still kept to the four on, three off - or an every other day - schedule with them. It almost seems that Fjords need time to 'think about' a lesson in their stall or pasture. They come out the next day having 'figured it out' in some cases. Really odd sounding, but it seems to be so. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: 2 year old behavior
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) Carol this is two year old behavior and lucky that it is intermittant and not consistantly bad. It does sound as though he is bored. Short rewarding sessions with a young horse is important. It is often true that if the work is interesting anyone will do it. A horse except a mindless or push button type, needs some push and reward but a balance. Take some time off to play and groom, like three or four days or even a week. Two is quite young for serious work. Good luck Jean >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >This message is from Carol at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Hi List, >As a new member of the list I've been following all the threads with >interest. I'm training a 2 year old gelding, Duster, that I've had since the >end of May, to drive. He is my first Fjord. Things are going well for a >youngster, I believe, but what I'm encountering is "when he's good, he's very >good".."when he's bad he's horrid" kind of behavior. Because of the bad >behavior it's hard for me to tell when it's appropriate to go on to the next >training step. I always felt that if they did something right for two weeks >move on. Right now we are working on the long lines at a good strong, walk, >trot, plus some cantering. He reverses quite well at the walk trot and does >figure 8's. I was going to move to working around obstacles over the weekend >and he simply refused to walk forward past one area of the training area! >Arrrkkk I think, back to square one??? I worked 'til I got one success and >stoppedand now I'm thinking now what?? The folks on the Fjord chat on >Sunday night suggested he was bored, and to do shorter schooling >sessionshints would be appreciated and is this typical 2 year old Fjord >behavior? > >Carol in Michigan, where it's been wet, humid and buggybut wonderfully >sunny and cool today. > > Jean Gayle --- A Subscriber at Techline
Re: Cushings Disease in Fjords
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Denise's <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Denise's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > maybe equine encephalitis? I, too, was wondering if it was 'something else' - maybe EPM? You know, that protozoal disease sometimes carried by 'possums? (I hope those are the 'right letters', there are several "E" diseases.) Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: Older mares foaling
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raising an orphan is > not a lot of fun!! That is > precisely why I have decided not to breed our 24 > year old King Herald mare > anymore. She likely would be able to give us a few > more of her lovely foals, > but I would never forgive myself if she died because > I selfishly required her > to give us just one more baby. She loves being a > mom and is a great > broodmare, but she has served us well through the > years and feel that she > deserves to retire and enjoy her remaining time with > us. Amen to that! That is exactly why we retired Line at 23 - her last foal was a normal pregnancy, somewhat more difficult than normal delivery, and a real drain on her to raise. We weaned that one at three months because Line was a rack of bones trying to feed the filly. For those wondering about 'when to retire mares' - we decided to retire Line at 23 based on three things: 1) Increasing difficulty in getting her in foal. 2) The advancement of arthitis in her hocks, making late pregnancy uncomfortable for her. 3)Increasing difficulty for the mare in foaling/raising the foal. When the mare is 'shutting down' physically(fewer fertile heats and less lactation after foaling) then it's time to 'pull the plug' on the foal factory. Time to let the 'old girl' enjoy what time she has left. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: 2 year old behavior
This message is from: "Denise's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dear carol, make the area he resfuses to get near a "good" area, a place where he can rest, maybe get a pat or two and the other areas the "work places." pretty soon he will want to be in that area and he will not be refusing. justa a thought, denise > I was going to move to working around obstacles over the weekend > and he simply refused to walk forward past one area of the training area! > Arrrkkk I think, back to square one??? I worked 'til I got one success and > stoppedand now I'm thinking now what??
2 year old behavior
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from Carol at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List, As a new member of the list I've been following all the threads with interest. I'm training a 2 year old gelding, Duster, that I've had since the end of May, to drive. He is my first Fjord. Things are going well for a youngster, I believe, but what I'm encountering is "when he's good, he's very good".."when he's bad he's horrid" kind of behavior. Because of the bad behavior it's hard for me to tell when it's appropriate to go on to the next training step. I always felt that if they did something right for two weeks move on. Right now we are working on the long lines at a good strong, walk, trot, plus some cantering. He reverses quite well at the walk trot and does figure 8's. I was going to move to working around obstacles over the weekend and he simply refused to walk forward past one area of the training area! Arrrkkk I think, back to square one??? I worked 'til I got one success and stoppedand now I'm thinking now what?? The folks on the Fjord chat on Sunday night suggested he was bored, and to do shorter schooling sessionshints would be appreciated and is this typical 2 year old Fjord behavior? Carol in Michigan, where it's been wet, humid and buggybut wonderfully sunny and cool today.
Re: The boxer shower case
This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean Gayle wrote: > This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Naughty, naughty Martie!!! > > Jean Gayle > Aberdeen, WA > [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" > Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] > http://www.techline.com/~jgayle > Barnes & Noble Book Stores All right everyone with your naughty thoughts. When I got on the Fjord list, I was not aware that it was a bit on the kinky side. Now I have never gone to those sights on the web that are off color. And I surely am not interested in getting into those areas on a horse info list. So you all get back to the up and up and keep it clean. OK Got ya! LOL LOL ROTFL -- "Built FJORD tough" Carol M. On Golden Pond
