RE: New Pictures
This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Great pictures Peg. I "stole" the pictures of SWF and Pepper for our personal enjoyment. Fred and Lois Pack Proud owners of Silly Willie Filly and Pepper from Knutsen Fjord Farm. Hi all - New pictures on our web site. Enjoy! Peg Knutsen http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/ >
Re: sleigh
This message is from: Alison Bakken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Jane, I am interested in your sleigh made from snowmobile skiis. Could you send me a picture of it? I am hoping to build a bobsled type sleigh to haul wood. Alison Bakken
Re: last comment on drawings
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in NOva Scotia - Yes, Beth, I was talking about Horse Shows and not Evaluations. Beth wrote regarding the Breed Standard drawing of head and croup . . . >Carol, if you are talking only about a Horse Show, your scenario regarding your >two mares certainly might happen, given that in a horse show only one horse >takes home the 1st prize ribbon. If you have two or more mares of equal >quality and movement in a class, and you only have the conformation of the head >to differentiate them, then the one with the more balanced, pretty, head would, >and should, take 1st. THAT IS EXACTLY MY POINT!!! I disagree with the "would and should" part of it. --- I'm saying some high quality Fjords have "pretty" heads, and other high quality Fjords have, what I've always called "beautiful" heads. We just sent a young mare to Georgia who illustrates this perfectly. Her name is TANJA, and she's a granddaughter of Gjest (Fjellwin sire) and her maternal grandsire is Astrix. Watch for this mare in the future. She's one of the best I've ever seen. And, her head isn't "pretty". . . it's handsome! Absolutely magnificent!!! This is a knock your socks off mare - A head turner in any company. Yet, her head is not typical "pretty". It's a longer, narrower head with great refinement, strength, and character. So, according to the scenario you outlined, Beth, with all things being equal, she'd place behind the mare with the pretty head. --- Sorry, but I don't agree, and that's the basis of my argument. This type of longer head is common in the breed, and it comes with more or less refinement and quality as does the "pretty" type head. It would be very wrong to get focused on one type of head, or croup, or length of forearm, etc., etc. I'm not going to spend any more time discussing this, but I do think it's a reasonable question, and should be discussed by the Standards Committee. Just because these drawings have been added to the Standards, doesn't mean they are beneficial and should remain. Anyway, enough. This subject is boring even me. Best Regards, Carol Rivoire > Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
Re: Van Bon studbook, breeding Fløtren
This message is from: Lloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Julie, My name is Joy Recore and could you reseve a copy for me. I'm new to the breed and this would be helpful. I will send the check out on tomorrow. Thank you Julie Will wrote: > This message is from: "Julie Will" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hello all, and I hope your Thanksgiving Holiday was filling, with happiness > as well as good food! > > I have 11 copies of the Van Bon Stud book left to sell, at $22.50 which > includes delivery by Priority mail. For those of you not familiar with the > book, it is written in Dutch, but has a wealth of photos of stallions from > today, back to the beginning, and traces the pedigrees of every major > stallion line. It serves for Norwegian as well as Dutch horses, since > Holland has been buying from Norway for many years. I am selling them at > cost, and hand carried them back from Norway last year...Bob had hand > carried them to the stallion show for me. Of course I had asked for a dozen > and received 26, which left us with some fancy packing to do and very heavy > luggage! I also brought back a Norwegian Trekking saddle, made in Germany > for Fjord Horse International. Let me tell you my sweet husband who lugged > it all the way was thankful to see our barn at last! > > If you want a book, email me privately to reserve your copy, and send a > check to 2502 Brick Church Road, Weedsport, NY 13166. > > Several people have inquired if we will be standing Fløtren in the spring, > due to my illness. YES...he will be available, but limited to 20 mares. > Please email me privately if you would like a breeding contract sent. > Fløtren has two "American" born foals, born a day apart in early September. > A filly named LLF Valena born to the Lapps "MVF Viola" (by Ronald) and a > colt named Grå Valebu, born to the Lunde's "Phelisia" (by Briggen) and owned > by ourselves. The colt is a grey, which verifies Fløtrens genotype as being > capable of throwing any of the five colors, as per Tor Nestass' paper on > Fjord color inheritance. Both foals sport his tiny ears and small muzzle, > long hip and free stride. > > I am doing amazingly well and am grateful for the wonderful support poured > out to me from the Fjord "community". Bless you all! > > Julie
Van Bon studbook, breeding Fløtren
This message is from: "Julie Will" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello all, and I hope your Thanksgiving Holiday was filling, with happiness as well as good food! I have 11 copies of the Van Bon Stud book left to sell, at $22.50 which includes delivery by Priority mail. For those of you not familiar with the book, it is written in Dutch, but has a wealth of photos of stallions from today, back to the beginning, and traces the pedigrees of every major stallion line. It serves for Norwegian as well as Dutch horses, since Holland has been buying from Norway for many years. I am selling them at cost, and hand carried them back from Norway last year...Bob had hand carried them to the stallion show for me. Of course I had asked for a dozen and received 26, which left us with some fancy packing to do and very heavy luggage! I also brought back a Norwegian Trekking saddle, made in Germany for Fjord Horse International. Let me tell you my sweet husband who lugged it all the way was thankful to see our barn at last! If you want a book, email me privately to reserve your copy, and send a check to 2502 Brick Church Road, Weedsport, NY 13166. Several people have inquired if we will be standing Fløtren in the spring, due to my illness. YES...he will be available, but limited to 20 mares. Please email me privately if you would like a breeding contract sent. Fløtren has two "American" born foals, born a day apart in early September. A filly named LLF Valena born to the Lapps "MVF Viola" (by Ronald) and a colt named Grå Valebu, born to the Lunde's "Phelisia" (by Briggen) and owned by ourselves. The colt is a grey, which verifies Fløtrens genotype as being capable of throwing any of the five colors, as per Tor Nestass' paper on Fjord color inheritance. Both foals sport his tiny ears and small muzzle, long hip and free stride. I am doing amazingly well and am grateful for the wonderful support poured out to me from the Fjord "community". Bless you all! Julie
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #307
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Claudia Galup) #26...O, Holy Night? claudia
Re: Christmas Songs
This message is from: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Unplanned detrimental contact" sounds like it could be a little more serious than a kiss if you know what I mean! Can you say college fund? Mark Jean Ernest wrote: > This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >> > 18. Female ancestor making unplanned detrimental > >> > contact with a Christmas > >> > delivery unit. > > > >How about "I saw Mommie kissing Santa Claus"??? > > > I think it is more likely "Grandma got run over by a reindeer" or > something like that. The word "detrimental" makes this more likely. > > Jean in Fairbanks, alaska , colder today, -8 F degrees and partly cloudy > > Jean Ernest > Fairbanks, Alaska > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Christmas Songs
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > 18. Female ancestor making unplanned detrimental >> > contact with a Christmas >> > delivery unit. > >How about "I saw Mommie kissing Santa Claus"??? > I think it is more likely "Grandma got run over by a reindeer" or something like that. The word "detrimental" makes this more likely. Jean in Fairbanks, alaska , colder today, -8 F degrees and partly cloudy Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #307
This message is from: "Catherine Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I encourage anyone wanting to know more about EVALUATIONS and CONFORMATION of the FJORD to attend the seminars that are given. Catherine Lassesen
Re: Christmas Songs
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 03:30 PM 11/27/00 -0600, you wrote: This message is from: Mark and Lisa McGinley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > 26. Within the span of a single earth orbit, this > > > specific passage of time > > > is pre-eminent in it's splendor. How about "The most wonderful day of the year" Yeah but isn't it really "The most wonderful TIME of the year" I am disqualified because I own a music store? Only if you get it right! ;-) === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #307
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/27/00 3:50:17 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Thanks for all your help and as soon as I get to our farm supply store I am going to look into this "water heater" thing. >> Before I moved to Las Cruces from Albuquerque, I kept a coil in their water tank and they drank much more water that way. It also helps warm them when it gets really cold. Remember that lots of wild animals died from natural conditions but there was nobody to note it. Gail D. Vinson Las Cruces, NM
Re: Christmas Songs
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/27/00 12:53:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << > > 18. Female ancestor making unplanned detrimental > > contact with a Christmas > > delivery unit. How about "I saw Mommie kissing Santa Claus"??? >> Nope, that one is. scroll down if you want the answer... I'm not putting it right up top in case other's want to figure it out... . . . . . . . . . . . . . Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer
Re: Christmas Songs
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Could #26 be "New Years Eve"? Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Christmas Songs
This message is from: Mark and Lisa McGinley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > 26. Within the span of a single earth orbit, this > > > specific passage of time > > > is pre-eminent in it's splendor. How about "The most wonderful day of the year" I am disqualified because I own a music store? Mark McGinley Mariposa Farm http://www.mariposafarm.com
Re: Christmas Songs
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 26. Within the span of a single earth orbit, this > > specific passage of time > > is pre-eminent in it's splendor. > > This one has me stuck too. My guess... A Day, Bright Day of Glory "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>cc: Sent by:Subject: Re: Christmas Songs [EMAIL PROTECTED] ystery.com 11/27/2000 03:40 PM Please respond to fjordhorse This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 08:09 AM 11/27/00 -0800, you wrote: >This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > 18. Female ancestor making unplanned detrimental > > contact with a Christmas > > delivery unit. How about "I saw Mommie kissing Santa Claus"??? > > 26. Within the span of a single earth orbit, this > > specific passage of time > > is pre-eminent in it's splendor. This one has me stuck too. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Horse Show in Heaven
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 12:25 PM 11/27/00 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike you better start dodging bullets and next time you enter a show do not be too surprised if you end up last. :)) Not to worry there Jean. I don't show at all! ;-) === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Christmas Songs
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 08:09 AM 11/27/00 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 18. Female ancestor making unplanned detrimental > contact with a Christmas > delivery unit. How about "I saw Mommie kissing Santa Claus"??? > 26. Within the span of a single earth orbit, this > specific passage of time > is pre-eminent in it's splendor. This one has me stuck too. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Horse Show in Heaven
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike you better start dodging bullets and next time you enter a show do not be too surprised if you end up last. :)) Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Riding fun
This message is from: "Starfire Farm, LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi list, Here's a short one to counter balance my lastst longer posts. ;-) Brigid and Jack, I've enjoyed reading about your trail ride adventures. Everyone else, also. Sorry I can't mention everyone. Yesterday I rode our young stallion, Obelisk, after not having time to ride him since September, prior to Libby. Just brushed him, tacked him up and got on. Aside from a little playful head shaking and an attempt to call to "his girls," he went right to work and was such a pleasure to ride. Forward, listening, energetic and obedient. I love these horses! If you haven't been to our website for a while, we've finally updated our photo pages. Some pics of Libby 2000 and our summer activities. Go to: http://www.starfirefarm.com and enjoy! Beth p.s., Let me know, privately, if you have any problems with the site. Thanks. -- Beth Beymer & Sandy North Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO http://www.starfirefarm.com
Re: Flat Croup Conformation, Drawings, etc.
This message is from: "Starfire Farm, LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carol Rivoire wrote: > Beth, I agree that discussion on such matters should be encouraged. > > Regarding the drawing in the Breed Standards that illustrates (according to > the NFHR) the "correctly rounded croup", I believe it could cause problems > down the road. If, indeed, that shape is "correct", it is not the only > shape of croup that's correct. Therefore, rather than attempt > llustrations of two or three different correctly shaped croups, I suggest > it would serve the breed better to have no drawing of "THE CORRECT CROUP". > The drawings of faulty hindend conformation should stay, of course. > > The same reasoning applies to the drawing of the head. > I suppose if Uloza's owner took her to a Breed Show today, and the judge had > only the Breed Standards illustration to go by, then he'd certainly pass over > Uloza. > Therefore, I think here again we should have no illustration of what a > Fjord head should look like. Perhaps you missed what I said in my last posting, about how educated an Evaluator should be prior to performing as an Official Evaluator. Here is what I said: "The drawing that Carol refers to is just that, a drawing. Each evaluator should have, in their mind, a mental image of the "perfect fjord horse." That image should come from looking at hundreds (if not thousands) of fjord horses, as well as other breeds, and a sound basis of knowledge of form vs. function. A drawing (which was created in an attempt to have something visual to refer to without pointing to any particular horse) should not have a definitive affect on an evaluator's decision as to whether or not a horse's croup is correct." In addition to "looking at" hundreds of Fjord horses, the Evaluator Trainees in the NA Evaluator Training Program are studying good and bad conformation and how it affects movement, then taking stringent tests (a number of us had to re-test portions of the tests from the April training, kind of like re-taking the BAR exam. Does it mean that those folks aren't capable? Not necessarily, just another part of the learning process.) During this testing and training, we have been asked to verbalize our observations, for a good evaluator needs to be able to communicate verbally to the horses' owners (publicly also) as well as in writing on the evaluation sheet. Then we'll be evaluating Fjord horses alongside the revered Norwegian evaluators in the "Mother Country." In addition, we have to "do our time" alongside senior evaluators, standing in the evaluator's circle judging each horse in at least two (and probably many more than that when all is said and done) official NFHR evaluations. Scores will be compared and discussed and the trainee's progress noted. If more training or re-training is necessary, that will be addressed. Once the Evaluation Committee deems that a trainee has performed sufficiently to be recommended as an Evaluator (along with comment and recommendation from Senior Evaluators) their name is passed along to the NFHR Board of Directors, who make the final approval. IMHO, a person in the program who only takes the literal drawing of the horse's head in the Standard as their only standard for evaluating a horse, will not succeed in this program, thus, will not become an NFHR Evaluator. Carol, if you are talking only about a Horse Show, your scenario regarding your two mares certainly might happen, given that in a horse show only one horse takes home the 1st prize ribbon. If you have two or more mares of equal quality and movement in a class, and you only have the conformation of the head to differentiate them, then the one with the more balanced, pretty, head would, and should, take 1st. However, if you are talking about an Evaluation, a horse would not be "passed over" for simply having a long head. Of the 49 points of conformation that are listed on an Evaluator's sheet, 8 define the "Head" category. They are listed as follows: Length proportional; Eyes large, expressive; Ears small, truncated; Forehead wide, slightly dished; Throatlatch clean; Jaws strong, wide; Nostrils large; Bite (should say even here.) Of those 8 points listed, if the horse's head has all of the positive attributes, but has a long head, the Evaluator would note that the horse has a long head, but would still give the horse an overall rating in the plus, or good category. Thus giving the horse a "Blue" rating for the head category. A horse could be an outstanding individual in all other categories BUT the head, and still receive a Blue conformation rating. The only thing that would prevent that horse from receiving a Blue rating is if the horse had such a poor head that it would receive a 4.0 or less in that category. Page 13 of the Conformation and Movement section of the NFHR Evaluation Program states: "Should a horse receive a score of four or less in any comformation category, that horse will automat
Re: Maine
This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Don & Jane Brackett wrote: > This message is from: Don & Jane Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I think your locals MURDERING a young mother and walking away free > because > the deceased was an "outsider" is obscenely unacceptable. > > I would agree, that if that is what happened, it is horrendous. That is > not my point. My point is that you cursed my children, because of where > they were born. That is equally obscene. And if you plan on cursing > all people that live in a state where our justice system has failed, > then you better curse all of mankind, yourself included. HEY!! KNOCK IT OFF CHRISTMAS IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER ALL STATES HAVE THEIR BAD APPLES. LET'S NOT FORGET JEFFERY DAHMER OF MILWAUKEE FAME. THAT DOES NOT MAKE ALL OF US IN WISCONSIN LIKE HIM. -- "Built FJORD tough" Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
Re: Maine
This message is from: "Lynn Mohr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What is your point?? You can't really believe "Everyone" in Maine is a murderer, If so, you are a fool. These discussions offer nothing to the ownership or care of fjord horses. Not all hunters are irresponsible or murders in fact only a very few cause problems. These broad brush approaches at casting blame are an insult to everyone's intellegence and serve no purpose other than to polarize and foster hatred and irrational comments. I really doubt that the circumstances of the incident were quite as described by Merek. Everyone is intitled to their opinion but that doesn't make it fact. Just my thoughts on this subject. Lynn Mohr
Re: water....water...
This message is from: "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi everyone...here is a little ditty to the tune of "Cool Water" I call it "Ode To Storm" Here she comes whats this in my pail Its water, water... nice warm water...(water, water) I'll have a sip oh this is delicious ... of.water,water...nice warm water (water, water) Oops I just spilled some but oh its fun with water, water... nice warm water (water,water) Oh now its gone all over the floor... but thats ok she'll bring some more of water...water,water... nice warm water (water,water) Ah here it is I can have some more ... Wish I'd collicked long before on water,water. cold clear water (water, water) Now this is more like it... I can have more fun... with water, water... nice warm water (water, water) uhoh here she comes... my fun is all done with water... Nice warm water...(water,water) Well there you have it guys and girls...what awaited me after putting 2 pails of water into Storms stall this morning. The lightbulb had blown and the sloshing underfoot was not noticeable until I went out to feed noon hay. Thank goodness it had stopped raining and I could turn the brat out. What a mess..water...water everywhereand neer' a drop of Quick...ah well its been a long day *grin* . I dumped nearly half a garbage bag of shavings in his stall and had to use a towel to mop out his hanging graindish (too close to water, wateroops there I go again Guess I will hold his pail for him next timeshees what a mess Thanks everyone for all the advice...have a nice day, Sue in N.B. (Desert Storm's mom)
Re: Maine
This message is from: Don & Jane Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think your locals MURDERING a young mother and walking away free because the deceased was an "outsider" is obscenely unacceptable. I would agree, that if that is what happened, it is horrendous. That is not my point. My point is that you cursed my children, because of where they were born. That is equally obscene. And if you plan on cursing all people that live in a state where our justice system has failed, then you better curse all of mankind, yourself included.
Re: Christmas Songs
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/27/00 8:13:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << OK, so is there an 'answer key' somewhere? Or are we on our own entirely? >> On our own entirely. They sent me the questions, with no answers. I've got them all but #19 and #26. I'll give you answer #18 if you give me #19! Pamela
Re: Maine
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/27/00 8:26:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I think your personal attacks of myself and other list members from Maine are unacceptable. Jane Brackett Maine >> I think your locals MURDERING a young mother and walking away free because the deceased was an "outsider" is obscenely unacceptable. Account settled. Maine LOSES!
Re: Christmas Songs
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Just had this sent to me the other day. I figured > out all but about three of > them. Have fun! This was fun, definitely! OK, so is there an 'answer key' somewhere? Or are we on our own entirely? I "think" I may have made a pretty good stab at most of them, but.that #18 and #26 are a little vague(?). I did come up with answers for all 29, but some are probably WAY off base ;)! Hmmm. How about the rest of you? Mary > > CHRISTMAS SONGS > Can you guess their real titles? > > 1. Move hitherward the entire assembly of those who > are loyal in their > beliefs. > 2. Embellish interior passageways. > 3. Natal celebration devoid of color as a > hallucinatory phenomenon for me. > 4. Twelve o'clock on a clement night witnessed His > arrival > 5. The Christmas preceding all others. > 6. Omnipotent supreme being who gives respite to > ecstatic distinguished > males. > 7. Jovial Yuletide desired for the second person > singular or plural by us > 8. Exclamatory remark about a small municipality in > Judea southwest of > Jerusalem. > 9. Exceedingly happy emotions for all inhabitants of > the planet. > 10. Post daytime period devoid of aural stimulation > but special due to > spiritual emphasis. > 11. Forceful remark about a conifer identified with > the Yuletide season. > 12. Numerated expanse of time associated with > unusual taste in gift > selection. > 13. Metallic objects noted for their musical > properties when vibrated. > 14. Located in a livestock nutritional dispenser far > from here. > 15. Expressing a desire for hexagonal crystalline > structures to descend from > the meteorlogic domain. > 16. A claim of Asian residency made by a small group > of males with regal > distinction. > 17. Nordic beast of burden renowned for unusually > colored respiratory > apparatus. > 18. Female ancestor making unplanned detrimental > contact with a Christmas > delivery unit. > 19. Seasonal hallmark associated with depressive > mental condition. > 20. Entity of the male gender consisting of cold > spherical accumulations of > di-hydrogen oxide. > 21. A rotund, jovial gentleman will be visiting our > local collection of > residences. > 22. Our aural senses are stimulated by emanations > from celestial beings in > lofty places. > 23. Obtain, on your own, a festive holiday which is > not exceedingly > ostentatious. > 24. Conducting bipedal locomotion in an area marked > by beautiful displays of > seasonal climatic manifestations. > 25. I will return to my locus of habitation in order > to observe the day for > which the season derives it's etymologic origin. > 26. Within the span of a single earth orbit, this > specific passage of time > is pre-eminent in it's splendor. > 27. Exposing the reproductive products of Castonea > Fagaceae to a high > temperature plasma for the purpose of enhancing > their ingestive > palatability. > 28. An act of endearment between my female > progenitor and a festive > gentleman was covertly observed by me. > 29. The object of desire which I esteem above all > others is the replacement > of my missing pair of incisors. = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: My "Solo" ride
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/26/00 7:20:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << the training never ends-for him and me! Joni in S.E. Wisconsin >> >>Hi there Joni, Thank you for your support and in put. Greatly appreciated And we realize that "the training never ends for them or us" But isn't "communication" what keeps relationships strong : ) Jack 'n Brigid
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #306
This message is from: Mark and Lisa McGinley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sue Harrison wrote: > but how to heat the > outside tub...that is a problem...since it is artesian and flows in > erattically I am not sure how a heater would work...by heater do you guys > mean a coil? I have only seen one of these and it was just for heating one > pail. Hi Sue, It's called a stock tank heater and they are basically an electric coil. There are three types that I have seen. The first is a sinking coil that mounts to a basket that keeps the coil from touching the bottom. Then there is kind of the same model that floats on the surface. And finally, there is a model that mounts in the drain plug of the stock tank. I like the first model the best because it's easy to take out when you clean the tank and the horses don't seem to play with it like they would with the floating model. I'm sure the safest one would be the one that replaces the drain plug but I would think it would be a pain to clean around. They all sell for around $25.00 (US) around here. They also are thermostatically controlled and shut off if the tank is empty BUT the basket sinking type will still function when the "sensor" is in the water but the coil is above water level. This can be a problem if there is any hay in the tank and it sits on the coil. My sheep tank in my old barn always had some hay in it (messy eaters?) so I had to really keep an eye on the level of that tank. I had caught it with smoking hay on the coil once! You are correct in thinking that you wouldn't want to try to heat constantly replenishing artesian water with the stock tank heater. It would probably be on all the time if the water is colder that what the heater is factory set for. I have a feeling though that the water is warmer than that setting. I'll take the temperature of one of my tanks with a heater in it and let you know what it says. If your water is warmer don't waste your money on a heater. If it's colder, maybe use the artesian overflow to fill the tank when needed and just divert it when it's full. Then only heat that water. Mark McGinley Mariposa Farm Washburn, WI
Re: "New riding habits"
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/26/00 3:47:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I always try to vary my riding route or do something different. They are real good at picking up on the same old routine of doing the same thing at the same time in the same place. >> >>Hi there, Your response triggered another "habit" that our horses have gotten into. That is, when we go trail riding there are a lot of people on walks, either alone, or with family. As true to their nature, Tommes and Rafael are just too social.. Whenever we see we are approaching someone, (doesn't matter if we are walking or trotting) our "boys" head straight for them, nudge them and seek attention. I usually give a treat of a carrot or apple piece to the admiring person or group and allow them to give it to them. I have to admit, we love the attention they and we receive, mostly because their breed is not at all common in our area, and we enjoy telling about these wonderful animals, and we are proud of them. However, it does get a little annoying that they have started to "expect treats" from every passer by," and of course head directly towards them, stop, etc., etc Yesterday on our ride, I didn't allow Rafael to do this, I simply told him "no," kept a tight rein, and "looked straight ahead." To our amazement, they only tried twice, and got the idea that we wanted to ride not socialize : ))) and for the rest of the afternoon, they were perfect. Ahhh, the sweet rewards of progress. Needless to say, it was such a wonderful time riding and not having to stop, stop, stop. Brigid was pleased too, and now we have decided not to allow others to give treats to our horses, and let them be admired when WE decide ( Hey, are we learning or what : ) ) Jack 'n Brigid
Re: sleigh
This message is from: Don & Jane Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have seen one cart that the wheels came off and a pair of skies off a smowmoblie were bolted on. Neat idea, we have some snowmobile skiis that have been made into a small sled (almost square in shape) that we use as a base for hauling out wood etc. So far with the tractor, but hopefully this winter we'll start using Osa! Thank you to all of you that sent information on the sleigh runners. Jane
Maine
This message is from: Don & Jane Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think your personal attacks of myself and other list members from Maine are unacceptable. Jane Brackett Maine
Re: Flat Croup Conformation
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Hello Everyone from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - Beth, I agree that discussion on such matters should be encouraged. Regarding the drawing in the Breed Standards that illustrates (according to the NFHR) the "correctly rounded croup", I believe it could cause problems down the road. If, indeed, that shape is "correct", it is not the only shape of croup that's correct. Therefore, rather than attempt llustrations of two or three different correctly shaped croups, I suggest it would serve the breed better to have no drawing of "THE CORRECT CROUP". The drawings of faulty hindend conformation should stay, of course. The same reasoning applies to the drawing of the head. I think there are at the very least TWO types of Fjord heads that are good, quality type heads. Something I've noticed since we started with Fjords twenty years ago. In our first two shipments of mares from Holland, we had a mare called Zwaantje (little swan), and a mare called Uloza. They couldn't have been more different -- size, body type, heads. Zwaantje was petite and very pretty. Uloza was very big and handsome, rather than pretty. Uloza's head was long and gave the impression of great strength and character. To me, it was a beautiful horse's head. --- Zwaantje's head was like the illustration in the Breed Standards. A pretty, pony head of great appeal. Uloza was (still is) a high quality mare. She's certified "Model", "Star", & "Keur". Uloza turned heads at any horse gathering. Her appeal was universal to real horse people. She was a very classy mare. But, her head was long. Nothing like the illustration. I suppose if Uloza's owner took her to a Breed Show today, and the judge had only the Breed Standards illustration to go by, then he'd certainly pass over Uloza. That would be a shame since this mare was once given the only "A" rating at Woodstock by an international panel of judges. She was also known all over Europe as "Miss Amerika". Therefore, I think here again we should have no illustration of what a Fjord head should look like. We should keep the drawings of faulty heads -- small eyes, convex profile, roman nose, etc. This may seem like a small matter to some people, but I'm really aware of how quickly breeds can be changed, or in this case, become too uniform, which is not what we want from a breed famous for its versatililty. Regards, Carol Rivoire Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
