OK dont read if ya cant take a YOKE
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Million Dollar Cowboy Guru's * ** I know you all will like this one As far as I can say To teach a horse these days it seems You really have to pay And not just anyone, who thinks hes right You gotta SELL something to be so bright ! Some books and tapes would be real good A good a start as any Just dont forget to charge those folks a heap, big pretty penny ! My horse and me just dont seem fit, After such a wonderful start To walk and whoa without a fit Just buck, turn, spin and fart ! I heard that I should get some help The INTERNET they say To sign on at a clinic or two But be prepared to pay ! Went there now and that was that Got two at first per day Two seats to watch them start a colt Will ride the very first day ! They couldnt make it easier for me My credit card worked just fine Theres Tellington, Monty, Pat and John All standing there in line Old Monty, he likes to " hook um up " An expression that seems so true But $ 59.99 plus tax JUST to see him move ! ( Hubbys face just turned bright blue ! ) Now Pat, he likes to play those games And you can see him live ! But buy that 12.00 halter of his And you'll spend 105.95 ! Ol' Linda now, shes kind of cute With touching and rubbing and all that But skip that fancy wand of hers Go get yourself a Nerf Bat ! Gwana Pony Boy is out With clinics far and wide He takes his shirt off for most the day He sure has nothing to hide ! Easy on the eyes it seems Leaves nothing left to sell But, boy he sure flew out of there When 30 min. rang that bell ! Now Lyons is my favorite, And the company he keeps Our own McWethy drives with him ! ( He signed my lines for keeps ) At Equitana every year Him and Dave go out back to play He drives those Fjords of Daves, a four ! With no fear, Ive heard Dave say But boy does he endorse alot You cant escape his face Just open up a horsemans rag Hes selling his mommas swamp place ! Took me a day on the INTERNET But boy, I got it done Im headed on the circuit it seems Of gurus, and sales and fun While I was out, just making plans A friend of mine came by Took out my horse and walked a bit He said it sure made time fly ! But, wasnt he just a jerk ? I asked When catching and being led ? Na was his relpy, that day I just wumped him upside the head ! He calmed right down just long enough To have a little talk He said you seemed so down and out He was trying to just cheer you up He said that he just wants a friend To " whisper " a nighty night He dosnt need those fancy tapes Or wands or whips or toys Just take him out and love him up While you go play with those boys ! Lisa Pedersen
Trailering and leading
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 01-01-07 12:16:09 EST, you write: << Has anyone had this problem leading? and when one is being pressured to sell and offered no help...what is one to do? My shoulder was operated on a year ago and the last thing I need is being jerked around. >> Sue, go to the John Lyons site on the Internet, and print out the 2 part article on trailering and leading. Simply the best, advice Ive seen about both. Good-Luck !Lisa Pedersen
" only " things I have killed ?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 01-01-07 12:16:09 EST, you write: << Just want to say also that fish are not the only things I have killed! Ahem. Jean >> U. Jean ? They have cancelled your day pass, dear, and the Nurses are out looking for you. Oh yea, they increased your AM dose again, and you need to check in those sizzors, K ? Lisa Pedersen <--psych. Nurse
radio show
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> listers, just thought i'd pass along a cool site on the web. i listen to it all the time. you can listen while you surf or do business, etc. it is called "the horse show with rick lamb." they have weekly guests and lots of interesting topics, like winter feeding, training, hooves, breed stuff and internationally known authors, horsepeople, trainers, yoga, and equine products. they are also very responsive to their listening audience and will answer email questions and requests. have fun out there! denise
Re: trailriding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/7/01 5:47:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Brigid that was lovely about God, a horse and you in the wilderness. Jean >> Thanks Jean : ) Hope I've inspired others as much as I have myself... Brigid
scotland fjord site
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> hello, this message is for david in scotland. i tried to contact you via the site but the message came back to me. anyway.i loved your site. i got the link from the fjord list in america. thank you. i do have a question...i noticed that alot of the fjords in your photos have "wild" manes. do you not trim them, or just trim them for show? interesting. i have heard that if the mane is left natural, it will break down the crest and should you want to trim them again, they will flop al over. just wondering and thanks for your site. i enjoyed it. denise delgado in california.
Re: Re:Leading problem
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> great post, betsy. i wholeheartedly agree about john lyons. his tapes, books, videos and seminars are winners and i think if people tried them and saw the results they can give, they would be sold too. so what if he makes a lot of money, more power to him. it is the american way. denise >you may want to go the video route. I may get jumped on here by the anti->millionaire-cowboy-horse-guru methods group, ...AND I can highly >recommend John Lyons Round pen tapes. He also has one on teaching a >horse to lead and advanced leading. Everything is explained and >demonstrated well. It's easy and fun to doand works!!!...with >PRACTICE. I noticed these tapes available through this list's new Video >Share! Have had good results.. Even older horses gain respect and >lessons .It's all just in-hand stuff, but I think it all translates into more >control riding or driving... >Good luck...and remember, you ride (or drive) the horse you lead (or >can't)!
Re: trailriding
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Brigid that was lovely about God, a horse and you in the wilderness. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Sunday, January 07, 2001 3:03 PM Subject: Re: trailriding >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >In a message dated 1/7/01 10:15:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > ><< Today I went alone and rode out for 2 hours > It is such a wonderful feeling to ride out in the open instead of the riding > arena with bad wheather > > We become a team more and more, it is still groing > Hope to continue doing so for many years >> > >Happy trails Marion! I could repeat verbatim what you wrote about my Tommes. >Today and Friday we had such a good ride. I've been doing some simple clicker >and natural horsemanship-type exercises in the arena, so Tommes & I can >better understand eachother. Well, it worked! He did not try to turn for home >and I had only to pick up a rein to get his response. YES!! > >I often say that my God does not live in a church, but in the wilderness, and >only my horse can take me to see Him : ) > > >Brigid Wasson >San Francisco Bay Area, CA > http://members.nbci.com/mrgnpetsit/fjord1";>Our Fjords >
Re: videos
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> thank you jean. does anyone out there want to share a set of these tapes. if you do, contact me privately. denise > > I think the Centered Riding tapes by Sally Swift would be very helpfull to > you, whether you ride english or western. Even better if you could attend > a Centered riding clinic sometime!
Driving Storm!
This message is from: "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well Hi again everybodyI am so excited...I actually drove Storm today. We put part of a harness on him (belly band with rings on top for the reins) and ran a set of driving reins through. Our harness is much too large for him as yet. It is old and worn out anyway. Then hubby said go put the bridle on him. It took me 2 seconds to bridle him...no prob! I used a d ring snaffle copper- roller bit in a western bridle. Then on with the harness and reins and out they went. Storm had a harness on last spring when he spent 3 weeks getting trained a bit at the breeders. He must have remembered as he handled very well today. Was I surprised...and then I was handed the reins. I, who have never driven in my life (just saddle) took my colt out and drove him all over the paddock. It was some slippery under foot (warm day and 4 or 5 inches of snow) and I managed to stumble over a hidden rock and slip and slide...Storm just picked up his pace when he felt me half fall behind him, but immediately responded to a slight tug on the reins and whoa. I told him to "walk on" and jiggled the reins a bit and off we would go. He stopped, stood quietly, and then would do what ever I wanted. Boy am I impressed. I guess all he needs to allow me to handle him is for me to have some sort of control. (When I tried to lead him yesterday, I just slipped my hand throught his halter...served me right that he wouldn't lead! >Has he actually ever been taught to lead? They don't just naturally >know how to lead. And he's been learning all the wrong things! Yes he is broken to lead. He just decided not to yesterday. He figured if I was dumb enough to try leading him without a lead line then he would just do as he pleased, thank you very much. (I keep forgetting that he is a baby and cannot be expected to act like my two older mares. Today, I was right fair behind his rump, even tapping him with my hand to get him started at first when he nor I knew what we were doing. He has never, ever kicked at us. The other night I took a rattly tarp into his box stall. Hubby said he was not taking me to the hospital...((:.I took that tarp and pulled it over mine and Storms heads and played peekaboo with him. He just nuzzled me and the tarp and did not mind a bit. I am always showing him new things. Hubby just stood there and shook his head. Well today is ending with me on a high but as "Maggy Muggins" always said..."I don't know what will happen tomorrow..." LOLLOL Have a great day everyone. (as another chapter unfolds in the lives of Sue and Storm) Sue in N.B. (Desert Storm's mom)
Re: trailriding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/7/01 10:15:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > What a sweet fjord mare do I have, I love her so much ! > We become a team more and more, it is still groing > Hope to continue doing so for many years > Greetings from Marion and her Hansje, Oh Marion, I know EXACTLY how you feel! Some of these mares, the more you work with them, the more they want to give you. Juniper is that horse for me. Glad you have Hansje. Sometimes it just gets better and better! Pamela
Re: Leading problem & Trainer
--part1_c4.e222425.278a0ff7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com X-Loop: Majordomo @ NSTS This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/7/01 9:43:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > You do need "professional" help for this boy; I am afraid videos and books > are a very poor second, but as far as a trainer to recommend that far away, > I am at a loss, but I am sure some of the listers on the "right" coast > could > Well, here's my two centsagain. I used to live in New Mexico where I believe the problem child horse is! I'd recommend contacting Ginny Cowles and asking her the phone number of her trainer, Jackie. I met her and own the results of her training. She's not too far away and knows these horses. Unfortunately I remember neither her last name nor her phone number. Call Los Trigos. I can bet your problems will be over! Pamela Who is very impressed with horses coming out of Ginny's herd!
Re: LTT groundwork
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/7/01 10:16:09 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Well, I hope I helped some. (donning my Flame suit for suggesting the use of a chain!..all those Natual Horsemanship people will be horrified! LOL) Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska +10F >> Is there room in that flame suit for two? I use Linda Tellington Jones ground methods with my girls, too, and the chain is wrapped around the halter so it doesn't hurt them, but the extra weight reminds them and controls them. With it, they can't shake me and my girls had some bratty moments like that, too, and you can't let them learn they can call the shots. I NEVER jerk it. As for what the vet said to feed them, how many vets have experience with fjords? Mine had never seen one before. Gail D. Vinson Las Cruces, NM
Re: bitter
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/7/01 10:16:09 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Made him think twice before indicriminately grabbing something in his mouth. He eventually outgrew this - or got tired of never knowing if it would taste bad or not - and stopped the behaviour. This was a horse that would grab anything he could reach, chew his manger, and virtually 'ate' lead ropes! Mary >> I'll try it, Mary. Grooming and tacking her up are the hardest part of dealing with her. She rides like a dream. Same behavior you describe. She loves riding gloves. Gail D. Vinson Las Cruces, NM
Here Fishy Fishy (Meow)
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh I have a fish story too!! This fall we were cleaning the tanks and installing the heaters, so my daughter (Mandy) scooped out the now VERY big gold fish and put them in a bucket to SAVE them. We figured they could live in the tanks with the stock tank heaters and if they didn't oh well we are only out $2.00 in fish. After she was done, she turned around to find all the cats dipping their lunch out of the bucket!! Oh No . We saved them from one death only for another And on a Fjord note. our newest mare Gracie, is quite the water lover, she got into the stock tank and smashed the heater at the bottom and today she knocked over their new hay feeder, (the kind thats about 4 feet tall, put the hay in the top and has a catcher below) We will probably have to ANCHOR it!! The Noonan's Stevensville, MT
Re: trailriding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/7/01 10:15:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Today I went alone and rode out for 2 hours It is such a wonderful feeling to ride out in the open instead of the riding arena with bad wheather We become a team more and more, it is still groing Hope to continue doing so for many years >> Happy trails Marion! I could repeat verbatim what you wrote about my Tommes. Today and Friday we had such a good ride. I've been doing some simple clicker and natural horsemanship-type exercises in the arena, so Tommes & I can better understand eachother. Well, it worked! He did not try to turn for home and I had only to pick up a rein to get his response. YES!! I often say that my God does not live in a church, but in the wilderness, and only my horse can take me to see Him : ) Brigid Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA http://members.nbci.com/mrgnpetsit/fjord1";>Our Fjords
Re: Leading Problem
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a 2 1/2 year old Fjord mare and it does seem to be a fairly obnoxious age. She is very mouthy. However she does know how to lead. When I first bought her she was 6months old and soo adorable and my trainer , who is also a Linda Tellington Jones Practitioner worked with me and the horse. SHe learned quickly and the only problem is that we would need to come up with new exercises or she would become bored. Now she is a big girl and like most Fjords use her head and neck to get her way. Use a chain or you could get hurt. These horses are too smart for their own good and must learn manners. PS this little girl is still for sale and ready to start driving. Leslie in Corrales, NM
Re: Leading problem
This message is from: "Teressa Kandianis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As a complete novice, I was having major problems with Merit as he was going into his second year. People on the list gave lots of advice and I ended up using a chain on his halter across his nose and then attached to the lead and carrying a dressage whip as we walked about. A little touch on the butt (as the dressage whip was long enough to reach the butt without any movement of my off arm) was enough to make him move with me. A hard poke on the shoulder with the butt of the whip or my very bony elbow was enough to make him quit leaning on me. The chain across the nose made him mind the halter. Not all at once and not without a lot of angst on my part. The funny thing was that now at a little over 3, he's a prince and has been for a few months. I've forgotten when he quit being a butt hole ( pardon my language). The chain has been long gone. For awhile it would just be hooked through his halter without being attached to the lead and that alone made him modify his bad boy act. Nina, his little sister, has the same attitude as a two year old now but being a girl, she acts out much differently. Or, I guess its due to her y chromosome. Merit wasn't mean - it was like short attention span combined with lack of manners, impulsive behavior, looking for action, a strange sense of humor, ... stuff like that. Nina is now the same but more manners and a sort of feminine take on fun. And not as impulsive as she seems to try to plan her activities. She's much smarter than Merit also. It takes the big guy a few more lessons to understand anything - he's kind of a "which way did they go, George" sort of guy. I also got loads of advice about rich food making him a wildman. That wasn't the case with Merit as we've managed to overfeed them with grass hay and a vitamin supplement. We've never even bought the first bag of grain or flake of alfalfa. I can't even imagine what he would have been like with a rich diet! Teressa Kandianis from sunny Ferndale, WA.
Re: Re:Leading problem
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sue you are putting us on aren't you? Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores -Original Message- From: Patryjak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Sunday, January 07, 2001 6:01 AM Subject: Re:Leading problem >This message is from: "Patryjak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sue, > >How often do you work with Storm? >It sounds like you need help, if not to work with Storm, then to teach you. >If you don't have a good helper, trainer, knowledgeable horseperson, >advanced level pony clubber around for assistance, you may want to go the >video route. >I may get jumped on here by the anti-millionaire-cowboy-horse-guru methods >group, ...AND I can highly recommend John Lyons Round pen tapes. He also has >one on teaching a horse to lead and advanced leading. Everything is >explained and demonstrated well. It's easy and fun to doand >works!!!...with PRACTICE. I noticed these tapes available through this lists >new Video Share! Have had good results doing round pen exercises in square >turnout. No equipment necessary, just a lunge whip. >I have been getting his magazine for 5 years and there is always something >useful in it as well. In January four years ago, for a new year's >resolution, he suggested that you ask your horse to answer at least one >request a day for you. We have been doing this with each of our horses ever >since, even if we are not "doing" anything with them. Lead them out of the >barn, ask them to turn around and stand. Halt four times and stand on the >way to turn out. Lots of small requests done on a daily or twice a day basis >for a month, they learn...then over 4 years, lots of great manners. >Even older horses gain respect and lessons from this. > >Mira, our 14 year old mare should know! She ran over Jer one day >while he was hanging a fresh water bucket in her stall with the door >partially open, during the muddy time. She pushed right past him to escape >from her stall. So we did an afternoon of leading and standing in and out of >the stall. Boy is she good now, learns fast! Everyday she goes in and out of >the stall or barn or where ever, one foot at a time. She can now back out of >and into her stall, one foot at a time. I've taught her to step forward with >a front foot when I say "One", then when I say "two" she can move the other >front foot forward, then "three" then four"...Getting in and out of our barn >and stalls requires a step up of about 4-6"...It's a John Lyons technique >for teaching trailer loading, but it works for manners too. >She is also learning to drop her head and wait before she is released >outside and in her stall for halter removal. We have a whole list of >non-riding winter activities we use...to keep us all from getting bored to >death! If we get bored or too anticipatory with one, we'll work on another. >One of my favorites for leading is forward, back, left, right, then start >switching the >order...it's pretty simple, but can really get silly and fun by altering >order and speed. It's all just in-hand stuff, but I think it all translates >into more control riding or driving... > >Good luck...and remember, you ride (or drive) the horse you lead (or can't)! > >Betsy >in having a heat wave meltdown Michigan...30F three days in a row...Yippee! > > > >
trailriding
This message is from: "M.Bijster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi everybody, Just wanted to share my happiness I had this weekend two wonderful rides, on saturday and today on sunday yesterday I went out riding with a girl on her big horse and, guess what, Hansje could trot faster than he could. . Today I went alone and rode out for 2 hours It is such a wonderful feeling to ride out in the open instead of the riding arena with bad wheather What a sweet fjord mare do I have, I love her so much ! We become a team more and more, it is still groing Hope to continue doing so for many years Greetings from Marion and her Hansje, The Netherlands
Re: Leading problem
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sue, Sorry to hear that your fjord is acting out his "willfulness" to the max. Simply, he has learned a behavior that suits him very well, and unfortunately puts you completely out of the picture, as far as respect is concerned. We all need to recognize that even 'though fjords may look alike, they do not all possess the same sweet personalities & temperaments that they are noted for... it seems they can be too clever (and manipulative) for their own good. Perhaps much had to do with Storms earlier upbringing, as I have read many posts about him over the past year. What to do? Well, sounds kind of nasty, but you need to establish dominance with this fellow I believe very much, and use on my colts the Tellington-Jones way of handling,as well as some of the Natural Horsemanship methods, however, when a horse is as far out of line as seems Storm, it is a time for stronger, direct methods, employed by one skilled enough to know the parameters. It sounds like this wouldn't take allot of time initially, but then the follow thru (with you) is where the crux of the training will come down. This is the consistent time you devote to his handling, with no deviation from the program. Yes, I would have you take this colt to someone and impress upon him that his sole reason for survival is due to your good graces, and that if he wants to live on this earth, he had better work with you. Its that simple - and yes, the initial session involved to achieve this is not pleasant, but very effective. You may never need a touch of the whip to his body, but it is the implication, and the psychological impression, that gives the horse the understanding of his place in your "herd" unit, and that he shall never transgress it - or else face the immediate, but fair, consequences. I myself would not give up on him,as he sounds like a totally spoiled little monster-child, but I can understand from where your spouse is coming from. He is justified in caring for your well being, and hey, picking up the pieces of your beloved is NOT fun! I think your vet is totally out of it as regards to the grain ration. Yikes! You do need "professional" help for this boy; I am afraid videos and books are a very poor second, but as far as a trainer to recommend that far away, I am at a loss, but I am sure some of the listers on the "right" coast could help you, no?? Wishing you well Sue, Karen Great Basin Fjords Carson City, NV _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: Leading Problem
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When we first brought Tank home he was a nearly unhandled two year old stud. The first order of business was to teach him to lead. We immediately started using TTeam methods with him, particularly the Homing Pigeon. That is the method where two handlers with wands and nose chains lead the horse from both sides. It's important to get one of LTJ's books to see how to run the chain thru the halter properly. Anyway, these are very smart horses, so in only a couple sessions, Tank had the idea what was expected of him and has not been a problem to lead since. -- Steve McIlree -- Pferd & Skipper -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA He that would venture nothing must not get on horseback. --Spanish proverb
FJORD CHAT Sunday Night
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Re: Leading problem
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/7/01 12:43:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Well, I hope I helped some. (donning my Flame suit for suggesting > the use Horrified? Not! There is a time and a place for a chain. Or even smacking a horse. They weigh a heckuva lot more than we do. When you watch horses disciplining each other they pack a lot more punch to the other horse than we can. When I had a problem with Skylark being a bit stubborn, she KNEW she could get away with what she wantedfor like 2 minutes. I dug up my stud chain from the bottom of my tack trunk, and we had a lesson. As you said, not shanking her, but letting her know that she would cause herself some discomfort. She's a quick learner, had to use the chain total of one time. Now she's got wonderful ground manners. Even my sweet Juniper, when I first bought her, thought she could plant her back feet and I wouldn't clean them. One smack on the rump. She lifts them nicely. If she gets lazy or stubborn, I just have to pick up my hand like I'm going to slap her rear end (like I could really hurt her!). She picks up her foot for me. Just testing. IMO one quick lesson with some discomfort is a lot better than having an ongoing power-play with your horse! Pamela
FHRS updated website
This message is from: "Dave 2001" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello list ... Thought I would "drop" you a line to let you know that the Fjord Horse Registry of Scotland has updated its website for 2001. The new url address is: http://www.norwegian-fjord-horse.com I sincerely hope that you will find time to visit our website and, if possible, perhaps leave a comment in the "Guestbook", or perhaps a suggestion or query on the "Message Board". I would like to take this opportunity to wish you a very happy and prosperous 2001. With good wishes, DavidGet Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: Leading Problem
This message is from: "Patryjak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sue, Just re-read my post...don't mean to sound preachy...and forgot to include BE SAFE! Please do not endanger yourself. Maybe a two year old is not the best choice for you. Betsy in Michigan
Re:Leading problem
This message is from: "Patryjak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sue, How often do you work with Storm? It sounds like you need help, if not to work with Storm, then to teach you. If you don't have a good helper, trainer, knowledgeable horseperson, advanced level pony clubber around for assistance, you may want to go the video route. I may get jumped on here by the anti-millionaire-cowboy-horse-guru methods group, ...AND I can highly recommend John Lyons Round pen tapes. He also has one on teaching a horse to lead and advanced leading. Everything is explained and demonstrated well. It's easy and fun to doand works!!!...with PRACTICE. I noticed these tapes available through this lists new Video Share! Have had good results doing round pen exercises in square turnout. No equipment necessary, just a lunge whip. I have been getting his magazine for 5 years and there is always something useful in it as well. In January four years ago, for a new year's resolution, he suggested that you ask your horse to answer at least one request a day for you. We have been doing this with each of our horses ever since, even if we are not "doing" anything with them. Lead them out of the barn, ask them to turn around and stand. Halt four times and stand on the way to turn out. Lots of small requests done on a daily or twice a day basis for a month, they learn...then over 4 years, lots of great manners. Even older horses gain respect and lessons from this. Mira, our 14 year old mare should know! She ran over Jer one day while he was hanging a fresh water bucket in her stall with the door partially open, during the muddy time. She pushed right past him to escape from her stall. So we did an afternoon of leading and standing in and out of the stall. Boy is she good now, learns fast! Everyday she goes in and out of the stall or barn or where ever, one foot at a time. She can now back out of and into her stall, one foot at a time. I've taught her to step forward with a front foot when I say "One", then when I say "two" she can move the other front foot forward, then "three" then four"...Getting in and out of our barn and stalls requires a step up of about 4-6"...It's a John Lyons technique for teaching trailer loading, but it works for manners too. She is also learning to drop her head and wait before she is released outside and in her stall for halter removal. We have a whole list of non-riding winter activities we use...to keep us all from getting bored to death! If we get bored or too anticipatory with one, we'll work on another. One of my favorites for leading is forward, back, left, right, then start switching the order...it's pretty simple, but can really get silly and fun by altering order and speed. It's all just in-hand stuff, but I think it all translates into more control riding or driving... Good luck...and remember, you ride (or drive) the horse you lead (or can't)! Betsy in having a heat wave meltdown Michigan...30F three days in a row...Yippee!
Re: Leading problem
This message is from: Don & Jane Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Sue, Sounds as if you have your hands full. How about sending him off to school with someone who's experienced with raising young Fjords? You don't want to get hurt. I like the Linda T. Jones leading method too. Her book "Improve Your Horse's Well-Being" has great step by step photos on lots of leading excercises. Worked very well for my mare who didn't know how to lead when I first got her. But she's a pretty quiet mare, just didn't understand that she wasn't supposed to drag me! :) Be careful and realize that it's OK to sell a horse that doesn't work for you. Jane
Re: Leading problem
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well It sounds as you are teaching him he can get the best of you! Do you use a chain over his nose? I suggest you get Linda Tellington Jones' book (or one of them) and use some of the leading exercises. She has some good videos out, also, "Starting a Young Horse" would be helpful. > He just bowed that little neck shifted gears and was off. >Rather than be dragged beside him, I let go.>> >The "brat" is being given 6 cups of grain morning and night.Which >we are cutting back starting tonight. Well, that is part of your problem, he's like a kid on a sugar high! Is it a "sweet feed" as well? give him just a handful with his vitamins. Especially if it is a sweet feed, with Molasses, it could be causing a lot of his mischief. He needs another youngster (or safe older gelding) to roughhouse with, and he needs to learn that he can't jerk away from you. You WILL have to cause him some "discomfort" with a chain over his nose or a rope halter for him to stop jerking you around. I'm no expert: Hopefully Karen McCarthy or Gail Ware can give you some good advice. I did raise a youngster, but he had old Bjarne to play with and I didn't hesitate to use a chain over his nose ala TTEAM methods. I still do...When I'm leading them down to the little pasture, especially when they haven't been out for a few days, I use a chain on everybody, just to keep myself safe. No, I don't "shank" them, but if they get to acting up exuberantly, they run into the chain. I taught BJorken and Adel to lead nicely beside me with the TTeam" "wand" , waving the Butt end in front of their nose, for a signal, tapping on the chest for a halt. Check out her tapes and books.http://www.lindatellingtonjones.com/ You can also order the "wand" a 4 ft stiff white dressage whip as well as other equipment. Has he actually ever been taught to lead? They don't just naturally know how to lead. And he's been learning all the wrong things! Well, I hope I helped some. (donning my Flame suit for suggesting the use of a chain!..all those Natual Horsemanship people will be horrified! LOL) Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska +10F Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
