Re: Mini horses (actually PYGMY HORSES)

[truman matz]

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From: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com 
Date: Thursday, January 25, 2001 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: Mini horses


>Oooops!!  Carol, and listers,... seems these little guys aren't minis,
but PYGMY HORSES, standing about two feet tall at the shoulder.  Sorry for
the blooper,... didn't realize there was anything smaller than the minis.
Or is pygmy synomous with mini.  I don't think so.  The one in the photo is
much smaller than any of the minis I have seen.  Anyway, retired horse
trainer Janet Burleson created the nonprofit Guide Horse Foundation.  There
are currently 10 pygmy horses now in training to the visually impaired.  Dan
Shaw, 44, of Ellsworth, Maine, will receive the world's first guide horse,
Cuddles, in May.  So, except for the first one Janet trained to lead a blind
woman through a mall, I guess they (the Pygmys), won't start work until May.
This article was in (another blooper!), TIME magazine, not Newsweek, for
January 29, 2001.  They're web site is www.time.comMaybe there would be
something there.  I didn't look.  Sorry for ALL the errors.  Judy
>
>

>

>>
>> Have any of you seen the article in this weeks Newsweek Magazine about
using
>> the minis as seeing eye horses?  The one in the picture was wearing
little
>> sneakers on all four feet, and they are reported to paw at the door when
>> nature calls.  They live in the house, but it's a requirement for them to
>> have a grassy area outdoors (for the nature call).  Seems people like
them
>> due to the longevity of the animal, at about 25 to 35 years, vs. about 10
>> for the average dog.   Cute article.  Judy
>>
>
>Judy,
>That's interesting.  I wonder if they have all the rights as seeing eye
dogs?
>How would you keep them from snatching goodies in the fresh veggie dept. at
the
>grocery store?
>
>
>--
>"Built FJORD tough"
>Carol M.
>On Golden Pond
>Northern Wisconsin
>
>
>

Re: multitude of posts

[whitedvm]

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Carol,

> Steve,
> And has yours been on the table and kitchen counter at times? 

Yes, ours too.  One day we heard the little toenail clicks on the table
and looked over to see him standing there looking around as if he had
discovered a new spot to better survey his little kingdom.  We yelled at
him and he just looked at us as if he couldn't understand why this would
be forbidden territory.


> Best yet, is our cat and the JRs groom each other.  

Our cat is his best friend.  They wrestle around on the floor together. 
And the cat, being a little larger than he, has no problem keeping him in
line.

Steve

Steve and Amy White
Prairieholm Farm
Waterloo, Nebraska

Re: almond milk

[truman matz]

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Pamela,

 I'm really not sure if wheat is the only grain with gluten or not.  I have
a book on all kinds of grains, which might possibly be helpful if you could
obtain a copy.  It's THE BOOK OF WHOLE GRAINS by Marlene Anne Bumgarner, put
out by St. Martin's Press in New York.  It's called the grain-by-grain guide
to cooking, growing, and grinding whole cereals, nuts, peas, and beans.  The
one I have has a copyright date of 1976.

Glad you're exploring the soy products.  They have a lot of good stuff, you
just frequently have to try different brands of the same item to find one
that you like.  And you're already doing that.

Good luck with your eating,... and stay out of France!  That WOULD be a
challenge!

Judy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com 
Date: Thursday, January 25, 2001 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: almond milk


>This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>In a message dated 1/24/01 10:05:21 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>> Pamela, You have my deepest empathy! It must be almost impossible to
>> find food you can eat while out on the road.
>
>It's a challenge! We get McDonalds "burger please, no bun, just
>meat lettuce & tomato". "Yes. NO BREAD". French fries are all right.
>When travelling it is important to have a room with a fridge and
>microwave. And restaurants ha! Have to bring our own margarine,
>since most still have some milkfat in them. Have to be certain they
>grill meat, veggies alone. We manage and Raymond is definitely
>healthier and happier for the extra work.
>
>But. here's the good stuff. I usually hate soy stuff. But the
>child needs something like ice cream. So we tried Rice Dream. Too
>grainy. And a couple others. Yech. Till I tried Soy Delicious. It is
>WONDERFUL. Exactly like ice cream. Yesterday we noticed that they have
>chocolate covered ice cream bars! He's a happy boy! Over the holidays
>I was lamenting the loss of Egg Nog in our diet until.. I found
>Silk Nog. Made by Silk Wave (the only decent soy milk I've found) it
>tastest exactly like egg nog. We are happy again.
>
>And travelling, oh we'll still do Hawaii and various states, but I
>think it will be tough to go back to France! All that cream, french
>bread, baguettes, oh, my!
>
>Pamela
>
>
>

Re: Mini horses

[carol j makosky]

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truman matz wrote:

> This message is from: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Have any of you seen the article in this weeks Newsweek Magazine about using
> the minis as seeing eye horses?  The one in the picture was wearing little
> sneakers on all four feet, and they are reported to paw at the door when
> nature calls.  They live in the house, but it's a requirement for them to
> have a grassy area outdoors (for the nature call).  Seems people like them
> due to the longevity of the animal, at about 25 to 35 years, vs. about 10
> for the average dog.   Cute article.  Judy
>

Judy,
That's interesting.  I wonder if they have all the rights as seeing eye dogs?
How would you keep them from snatching goodies in the fresh veggie dept. at the
grocery store?


--
"Built FJORD tough"
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
Northern Wisconsin

Re: teeth (more)

[DBLDAYFARM]

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In a message dated 01/25/2001 5:35:14 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>  They certainly do have an impact.  Everyone worries about the stallions
>  > teeth.  If your mare has a serious over/under bite would you breed her
>  > anyway? 

Absolutely NOT.  nor if she had any other hereditary fault or unsoundness. 
Overbites and underbites are a serious fault and not to be taken lightly in 
any breed of horse. Our Paints and QH broodmares all have to be nice, and we 
will not breed our stallion to any mare that has a defect that we know of or 
see, no matter what stud fee we might be losing because of that.


Lou   
Check out our website
 http://hometown.aol.com/dbldayfarm/index.html";>DoubleDay Farm - 
Paint & Miniature Horses 

Re: multitude of posts

[carol j makosky]

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> This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > You out there with the Jack Russells.  Where
> > do
> > they sleep at night?  I swore that I would never have a dog sleep in
> > bed
> > with me.  OOPS !!!  Guess where the JRs are.
>
> LOL.  It's funny how they eventual sneak in there.  When I first got
> mine, my wife was adamant that he wasn't sleeping with us.  It wasn't
> long though before he was sharing the bed with us.  Now I think she could
> care less if I was there, just as long as the JR is there.
>
> He's funny to watch.

Steve,
And has yours been on the table and kitchen counter at times?  I think they
are half cat.  Best yet, is our cat and the JRs groom each other.  Our two
labs never have to have their ears cleaned because the JRs do it.  The JRs
are such characters.


--
"Built FJORD tough"
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
Northern Wisconsin

Re: Teeth

[carol j makosky]

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> In a message dated 01/25/2001 5:35:14 PM Mountain Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >  with the standard being
> >  that the front surface of the teeth meet, within some tolerance.  She
> >  says she sees all too many who meet that standard---but only because
> >  the front surfaces of some of the animal's incisors have been
> >  "dressed" back!
> >
> I raise and show Miniatures and have for 10 years now.  Yes the bites on
> mature stallions and mares are checked in Halter classes. Geldings are left
> alone.
>  The description states they can be off by up to 1/2 tooth.  And don't you
> think a GOOD judge can tell if a horse's teeth have been "dressed" back???
> certainly they can  !Those who get away with it with one judge will get
> caught by another later on and penalized in the placings.
> Miniatures have full-sized horse teeth in their little mouths... and
> sometimes a few have to be pulled to make room for the rest. This is not
> altering their bites, but making them comfortable. If their jaws and gums are
> lined up right, you can see it.
>
> Lou
> Check out our website
>  http://hometown.aol.com/dbldayfarm/index.html";>DoubleDay Farm -
> Paint & Miniature Horses

Thank you for the information on that subject.  We have a herd of miniatures
right down the road from us.  One of these days I will stop there just to say hi
and learn more from a breeder.

--
"Built FJORD tough"
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
Northern Wisconsin

Re: Mini horses

[truman matz]

This message is from: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Have any of you seen the article in this weeks Newsweek Magazine about using
the minis as seeing eye horses?  The one in the picture was wearing little
sneakers on all four feet, and they are reported to paw at the door when
nature calls.  They live in the house, but it's a requirement for them to
have a grassy area outdoors (for the nature call).  Seems people like them
due to the longevity of the animal, at about 25 to 35 years, vs. about 10
for the average dog.   Cute article.  Judy
--

>>> >Karen, she is talking about the Miniature horses, not fjords!  Jean
in>> Well they are cute.

>

Re: Teeth

[DBLDAYFARM]

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In a message dated 01/25/2001 5:35:14 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>  with the standard being
>  that the front surface of the teeth meet, within some tolerance.  She
>  says she sees all too many who meet that standard---but only because
>  the front surfaces of some of the animal's incisors have been
>  "dressed" back!
>  
I raise and show Miniatures and have for 10 years now.  Yes the bites on 
mature stallions and mares are checked in Halter classes. Geldings are left 
alone.
 The description states they can be off by up to 1/2 tooth.  And don't you 
think a GOOD judge can tell if a horse's teeth have been "dressed" back???  
certainly they can  !Those who get away with it with one judge will get 
caught by another later on and penalized in the placings.  
Miniatures have full-sized horse teeth in their little mouths... and 
sometimes a few have to be pulled to make room for the rest. This is not 
altering their bites, but making them comfortable. If their jaws and gums are 
lined up right, you can see it.

Lou   
Check out our website
 http://hometown.aol.com/dbldayfarm/index.html";>DoubleDay Farm - 
Paint & Miniature Horses 

Re: Trailering Question

[linda hickam]

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Hi Laura.I have Grey's also...as a matter of fact,my favorite Congo died
a few days before my mare aborted a colt{not a good weekend}Sinbad was a
pal and boy could he TALK!!! Such smart birds..I was sure I was
going to have to will him to one of my kids 'cause they live so
longbut his presence will live onhe's going to get
stuffed!!{right now he's in the freezer awaiting the taxidermist} 
--
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: "Fjord Horse List" 
>Subject: Trailering Question
>Date: Thu, Jan 25, 2001, 4:16 PM
>

>This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>Hi Everyone, 
>  I sure have enjoyed the discussions lately :-)
>
>Our new filly - LFF Valena - Flotren's filly :-) is coming from outside of
>Buffalo, NY to our place outside of Ottawa, Ontario tomorrow (weather
>permitting). It will be an 8 to 10 hour trip for her - poor little thing. I
>was wondering if we should feed her a soupy bran mash on her arrival? Or her
>normal dry oats? Or skip the dinner all together? Its such a long trip for a
>little foal I want to make sure she's comfortable on her arrival.
>
> To join in quickly with the age discussion... I'm 38, my husband Carm is
>46, we have 4 fjord horses, 2 dogs (was 3 till Tuesday morning - our old
>girl died in her sleep - I can't really believe that she's gone - we will
>miss her alot), 1 cat, and we breed parrots - we have one African Grey Congo
>as a pet, and 10 others paired up (African Grey Congos, Blue & Gold Macaws,
>and Eclectus). Both my husband and I work way too many hours in the
>high-tech industry. I live for the minutes in the barn :-)
>
> Laura
>  From Russell, Ontario - just outside Ottawa, Canada's Capital
>
>
>
>

multitude of posts

[carol j makosky]

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Hi,
Sorry about all the duplicate posts.  My computer had the hiccups.  It's
time for a new survey.  You out there with the Jack Russells.  Where do
they sleep at night?  I swore that I would never have a dog sleep in bed
with me.  OOPS !!!  Guess where the JRs are.  Beats sleeping with my
other half.  They don't snore.

--
"Built FJORD tough"
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
Northern Wisconsin

Re: breed specific myths

[whitedvm]

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Lisa,
 
>This would be like the myths that we try and discourage with 
> buyers of 
> Fjords, right ?

I wouldn't exactly call it a myth.  I think it is just a fact of life
that they tend to have a few more problems (especially with teeth) than
the other horses.  I'm not putting the breed down.  I too have seen some
very nice looking minis.  And what's cuter than a mini foal?!!

Steve

Steve and Amy White
Prairieholm Farm
Waterloo, Nebraska

Re: multitude of posts

[whitedvm]

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> You out there with the Jack Russells.  Where 
> do
> they sleep at night?  I swore that I would never have a dog sleep in 
> bed
> with me.  OOPS !!!  Guess where the JRs are. 

LOL.  It's funny how they eventual sneak in there.  When I first got
mine, my wife was adamant that he wasn't sleeping with us.  It wasn't
long though before he was sharing the bed with us.  Now I think she could
care less if I was there, just as long as the JR is there.

He's funny to watch.  He knows when bed time is and will go in before us
sometimes and lay his head on the pillow just like a little person.

Steve

Steve and Amy White
Prairieholm Farm
Waterloo, Nebraska

Re: our ages

[whitedvm]

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On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:20:11 -0600 Bonnie Liermann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> This message is from: Bonnie Liermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> I sent in my age, but it must have been missed.  
> So . . .  I'll be one of the 20's!
> 
> yeah!  Put me down for 20 years old!
> 
> bonnie
> 

I sent mine in,  but it was missed too.  I'm 35.  I'll let Amy reply on
her own if she wants to.  I don't want to get into any trouble

Steve

Steve and Amy White
Prairieholm Farm
Waterloo, Nebraska

our ages

[Bonnie Liermann]

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I sent in my age, but it must have been missed.  
So . . .  I'll be one of the 20's!

yeah!  Put me down for 20 years old!

bonnie

Re: almond milk

[Denise Delgado]

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thank you carol.  i'll try it tomorrow denise
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From: "carol j makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: almond milk


> This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
> Denise Delgado wrote:
>
> > This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > POST THE RECIPE denise
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "carol j makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 7:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: almond milk
> >
> > > This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > Jean
> > > Does the almond milk have a strong flavor of almond?  I just love
> > almond flavor.
> > > I have a wicked recipe for ice tea from scratch that has vanilla
and
> > almond
> > > extract in it.  It is called Plantation Tea and that is the only
kind
> > I make.
>
> 2 tea bags, 3/4 c. sugar, 2 c. boiling water, 1/4 c. lemon juice.
> Steep the above for 10 min. (I do it about 1 hr.)
>
> Add:  2 c. cold water, 1/2 tsp. vanilla extract and 1/2 tsp. almond
extract.
>
> Serve over ice.
> You can adjust the ingredients to your liking.  I cut way back on the
sugar
> and have expanded the amounts to make about 1 gal. at a time.
> I think I got this recipe from the American radio station while we
were
> stationed in Germany way back in the sixties.
>
> >
> > >
> > > --
> > > "Built FJORD tough"
> > > Carol M.
> > > On Golden Pond
> > > Northern Wisconsin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> "Built FJORD tough"
> Carol M.
> On Golden Pond
> Northern Wisconsin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

mineral free choice

[Bonnie Liermann]

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This is for sue:
The mineral I use is pelleted called Equi-shine and I really like it.
You can't feed it free choice, but you can feed the required amount with
no grain or only a tiny handful if you want.  That is what I do.  All my
horses, even the picky ones love this stuff.  I have two that do not
need grain and two that do.  I just put in their buckets the amount of
grain I want to feed and 3 oz Equishine.  They eat every bit.  I went
away from using a granular mineral because I figured they lost alot when
they would dump their buckets in the manger.  I also had to use alittle
molassas in the grain mix to "carry" the mineral.  I don't have to now.
Maybe this will help you.

bonnie

Re: TEETH & TESTICLES VET REPORT ON FILE WITH NFHR

[Northhorse]

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In a message dated 1/25/01 1:03:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
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> # 7-  Mares and stallions should be vet checked for teeth and testicles
> before they begin breeding, say at age two.   
> 
> 

I'm sorry.  But I won't put my mare through a teeth and testicle check.  
She'd flunk one of the tests for sure!  

Pamela

Testicles, etc

[Knutsen Fjord Farm]

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Hi all -

Carol R. - I read your item #7 and realized that I have been amiss. I have
never thought to check for testicles on any of my mares Love it!

Sue G. and Ursula - Your last posts about the Evaluations were excellent.
Personally, I do not think it is the responsibility of the NFHR to publish
results of other Evaluations. They can be and have been listed in the
Herald, and advertisers certainly can add those results in their ads, as we
do - for example, "Qualified for Norwegian Stud Book as a 3-year-old."

 I also don't see why anyone whose stallion has been Evaluated by any
Qualified Evaluators should feel the need to attend an NFHR Eval if it poses
an extreme hardship for them. I hope folks support the NFHR program, but if
breeders have gone to the trouble to have their breeding stock Evaluated, I
believe that shows their conscientious approach and provides information for
prospective buyers/breeders.

Thank goodness Fjord Horse International is supporting the
"internationalizing" of Evaluations. We expect to be lucky enough to have
Arne Presthus at The Libby Evaluation Sept 6-8. What a wonderful opportunity
to share information!

OK, OK, I wanted to save it for the article I submitted for the next Herald,
but I am feeling left out - I will turn 60 on October 30, 2001. [Birthday
congratulations will be accepted]

Bye - Peg Knutsen   http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/

Macho Mares ; /

[Pedfjords]

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In a message dated 1/25/01 5:35:14 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< 
 # 7-  Mares and stallions should be vet checked for teeth and testicles
 before they begin breeding, say at age two.   
  >>



O   M   G.   My entire herd of mares just failed this check. Teeth all 
OK, but those testicles are missing in action.  ( Both Stallions intact in 
this area though )  Now, teats dont count do they ?   



   * couldnt resist Carol, although Ive set world records in mispelling and 
typos here ! Lisa 
Pedersen

Re: fjordhorse-digest V2001 #28

[PCarterAdler]

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Greetings from White Eagle Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
This is my first post and I want to introduce myself and family. My
name is Pam Adler and my husband Michael and I have 2 girls, 2 Fjords,
a quarterhorse, a thoroughbred and 4 llamas...thats just the big
members! We live in beautiful Bend, Oregon and have 15 acres next to
the National forest...wonderful driving and riding. Loved the post
about husband who is 'less than comfortable' around horses...I imagine
we are not alone! Fjords are simply the best..have had horses for 22
years and will always appreciate their lovely personalities. Also
spin, teach and just enjoy being a mum. Keeping it short..will say
that our gelding from the Jensens is the most terrific horse I have
ever had..work ethic, calm disposition and kindness..all in one. Thank
you Brian and Ursula!
Pam.

[Fwd: almond milk]

[carol j makosky]

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Denise Delgado wrote:

> This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> POST THE RECIPE denise
> - Original Message -
> From: "carol j makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 7:31 AM
> Subject: Re: almond milk
>
> > This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Jean
> > Does the almond milk have a strong flavor of almond?  I just love
> almond flavor.
> > I have a wicked recipe for ice tea from scratch that has vanilla and
> almond
> > extract in it.  It is called Plantation Tea and that is the only kind
> I make.

2 tea bags, 3/4 c. sugar, 2 c. boiling water, 1/4 c. lemon juice.
Steep the above for 10 min. (I do it about 1 hr.)

Add:  2 c. cold water, 1/2 tsp. vanilla extract and 1/2 tsp. almond extract.

Serve over ice.
You can adjust the ingredients to your liking.  I cut way back on the sugar
and have expanded the amounts to make about 1 gal. at a time.
I think I got this recipe from the American radio station while we were
stationed in Germany way back in the sixties.

"Built FJORD tough"
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
Northern Wisconsin

Re:age database and I'm a Happy Santee!

[Lynn Binkowski]

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Well, I'll chime in that I'm a roaring 20!  Will be 29 this year.  Owner
of Trina, 2,5, who was very naughty today, but as soon as I put her back
in her paddock she stood by the fence with a soulful look as if to say
"Hey, what'd I do?  Come play some more!"

My Santa gift arrived today!  I was so excited!  All the way from
Canada, a beautiful leather purse with an embroidered fjord head on it,
a horseshoe change purse, and some nifty looking horsie treats (which
Trina will get her teething teeth on when she behaves a little better!).
No wonder my Santa wanted to know if I was a he-Lynn or a she-Lynn.
Again, thank you thank you thank you, I absolutely love it, it was well
worth the wait!:)

--Lynn Binkowski

breed specific myths

[Pedfjords]

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In a message dated 1/25/01 5:35:14 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< 
 Karen, she is talking about the Miniature horses, not fjords!  Miniatures
 have a lot of conformation problems, due to selecting for small size, etc.
  >>


   Be careful here guys.  We have some mini breeders here on the list 
that might take exception to this blanket statement, of " lots " of minis 
with confirmation problems.  Louanna Day has gorgious minis and shows at the 
National Level.sure dont see any problems in HER back yard. Last mini 
show I went to, knocked my socks off with beautiful horses.

   This would be like the myths that we try and discourage with buyers of 
Fjords, right ?  Like, ALL Fjords are easy to work with, and  Fjords dont 
need shoes when they are out working ( ? ) or..Fjords can be trained to 
ride / drive at 2, for 30 days, then put Granny on them.  Yea, right.   
Lisa Pedersen * who moved up from the worlds best, bravest, sweetest mini to 
Fjords.

Re: Natural Selection, Teeth etc

[Marsha Jo Hannah]

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> carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Now someone should go into braces for horses with over bites and
> under bites, or has this been done already.  LOL

Don't know about braces, but I heard something interesting from a
friend who's a miniature horse judge.  Apparently, judges are required
to check the bite on minis in halter classes, with the standard being
that the front surface of the teeth meet, within some tolerance.  She
says she sees all too many who meet that standard---but only because
the front surfaces of some of the animal's incisors have been
"dressed" back!

For every rule, there's a loophole

Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   anything that can go wrong, will!
15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon

Re: Dutch Keuring results

[Cathy Koshman]

This message is from: Cathy Koshman 


> Karen McCarthy wrote: " That you and other owners of 'Dutch' horses
> choose to still use the Dutch system, even 'tho the American one has
> been up and running for some time...this (reasoning?) really eludes
> me, and I am trying to be understanding of the situation, but
> really, there has to come a point when all the eggs on this side of
> the pond need to kept in one basket :=}"

   Don't forget that there are some of us on this side of the pond but
north of your border who took our North American stock through Dutch
keurings here in Canada before the American system was up and running.
At that time we were told that the keuring results would not be
accepted by the NFHR, end of story. Now that there have been some
keurings in the US people seem to be understanding that they can also
be a different but also useful part of the process of educating
breeders and improving the breed. But with the current push to accept
only the US system, we now we must undergo the expense of having the
same stock evaluated by the American system. We probably will take our
stallion to Libby, but it is at an awfully high price for what will
probably provide us with little new information as breeders. I just
crunched numbers and with all the vet exams, ferry fees, export papers
and travel to Libby this will cost approximately $2000. Look at this
from our perspective: our stallion has been evaluated by Bob van Bon
and determined to be a good quality stallion. We know he is not
degrading fjord quality in North America. (one point away from 1st
prem) He is very strong and not becoming sissified - is used about
five days a week all year (yeah - we get to ride all winter) for
riding lessons, trail rides, training for combined driving events and
competes successfully in combined driving, driving and log skidding at
draft horse events including Libby this year. He gives pony rides at
events, drives in parades and is a generally great ambasador for
fjords. We were eliminated from our one open show after he had won his
ribbons because our rider was under 18 (CEF rules) He lives outdoors
all year in an intact herd with his 2 mares and assorted foals. This
is what the fjordhorse was developed to do and he does it well.
   As breeders, we are always interested in learning more about the
breed, but there are more useful things to spend $2000 on. (like a
trip to Norway) For us, it would be useful to have the previous
keuring results included in the handbook
   There are times that I think that some of the directions that we are
heading down in NA are increasingly and unnecessarily restricting
fjord breeding by a wider variety of small but good-quality breeder,
and favoring only the large breeders. One of my concerns is that fewer
and fewer stallions will be used because the processes that have been
established simply are not affordable, certainly by the majority of
breeders in Canada

Wearing asbestos :>:>:>

Cathy Koshman, Misty Meadows B&B and Fjords, Victoria BC  www.mistymeadows.com

Re: Fw: age data base-- revision # 3

[Remi2442]

This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In a message dated 01/25/2001 8:14:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Add my age to the revision and my vote for developing a data base:

Carol Eberhardt 54, mom of Prairie Duster 

in cold, crisp Michigan

Re: almond milk

[Northhorse]

This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In a message dated 1/24/01 10:05:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Pamela, You have my deepest empathy! It must be almost impossible to
> find food you can eat while out on the road.

It's a challenge! We get McDonalds "burger please, no bun, just
meat lettuce & tomato". "Yes. NO BREAD". French fries are all right.
When travelling it is important to have a room with a fridge and
microwave. And restaurants ha! Have to bring our own margarine,
since most still have some milkfat in them. Have to be certain they
grill meat, veggies alone. We manage and Raymond is definitely
healthier and happier for the extra work.

But. here's the good stuff. I usually hate soy stuff. But the
child needs something like ice cream. So we tried Rice Dream. Too
grainy. And a couple others. Yech. Till I tried Soy Delicious. It is
WONDERFUL. Exactly like ice cream. Yesterday we noticed that they have
chocolate covered ice cream bars! He's a happy boy! Over the holidays
I was lamenting the loss of Egg Nog in our diet until.. I found
Silk Nog. Made by Silk Wave (the only decent soy milk I've found) it
tastest exactly like egg nog. We are happy again.

And travelling, oh we'll still do Hawaii and various states, but I
think it will be tough to go back to France! All that cream, french
bread, baguettes, oh, my!

Pamela

[no subject]

[Sue Harrison]

This message is from: "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Good morning

Thanks Carol and Steve for sending all the digests to me. Goodness, I
have been reading them for 2 days now! Love them...thanks to you both.
Well, Storm has acquired a taste for dishsoap..so much for that idea.
He went at Duchess's rump with gusto yesterday. Appeared to love the
taste! He leaves her alone after a few minutes...seems to be somewhat
of a ritual when he greets her in the morningrun and bite the bum.
LOL. He is in his stall all night and they are outside together all
day. ( Misty, the Arab mare will kick his head off if he tries to bite
her hiney.) The electric fence is certainly keeping him from backing
into the pagewire. At least that works! Yet anyway. H...any way to
hotwire Duchess?hm..

Reading about the Fjords getting their feet through fences and stuff
reminded me of the day Storm got his snap undone and his tie chain
wrapped around his front leg and believe it or not the snap was
rehooked into a link of the chain. (How did he do that I wonder...)
There he stood much like a circus elephant...tied securly by one front
hoof. He didn't move just stood there patiently waiting for help.

My husbands big gelding has been tied with a chain for years...he
would pull back and break every rope...this cured him. I know chain is
not a good idea but for him it is the only answer. Storm is in a box
stall and is never tied unless being trailored or is under close
supervision. You guys warned me about chain so I refuse to use it on
my own horses.

Is there any type of mineral that can be fed free choice? When I cut
back on the grain this spring, I want to shift to a mineral but am
unsure which is best. ( Storm has just recently started eating away at
the salt lick...wouldn't touch it before) We have never fed mineral
before...always fed grain, hay and saltblock. But with the Fjord we
have to find a suitable substitute for the grain.

Regarding the "Snow White virus, I had previously (early January) sent
in a warning about this on 2 different occasions, only to not have it
published in the digest. I wondered why and then read in the rules
that virus warnings would not be published. I sent an apology to the
editor. Now I see reference to the virus in several digests.
Hopefully, you have changed your rules The warning I sent in was
of the actual web page where the virus was named and discussednot
simply a virus warning forward. I get hoax warnings all the time and
always check to see if they are legitimate before forwarding.

Have a great day everyone, Sue in N.B. (Desert Storm's mom)

Trailering Question

[Skjenna . Laura]

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Hi Everyone, 
  I sure have enjoyed the discussions lately :-)

Our new filly - LFF Valena - Flotren's filly :-) is coming from outside of
Buffalo, NY to our place outside of Ottawa, Ontario tomorrow (weather
permitting). It will be an 8 to 10 hour trip for her - poor little thing. I
was wondering if we should feed her a soupy bran mash on her arrival? Or her
normal dry oats? Or skip the dinner all together? Its such a long trip for a
little foal I want to make sure she's comfortable on her arrival.

 To join in quickly with the age discussion... I'm 38, my husband Carm is
46, we have 4 fjord horses, 2 dogs (was 3 till Tuesday morning - our old
girl died in her sleep - I can't really believe that she's gone - we will
miss her alot), 1 cat, and we breed parrots - we have one African Grey Congo
as a pet, and 10 others paired up (African Grey Congos, Blue & Gold Macaws,
and Eclectus). Both my husband and I work way too many hours in the
high-tech industry. I live for the minutes in the barn :-)

 Laura
  From Russell, Ontario - just outside Ottawa, Canada's Capital

Re: Natural Selection, Teeth etc

[carol j makosky]

This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Jean Ernest wrote:

> This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >>Yes I have heard of the mouth problems way back when they were 1st
> >>becoming popular.  Maybe something with the breeding down the size.
> >
> >Carol, can you please expand on this last sentence? I don't quite
> >understand. (Population size, height,or?)
>
> Karen, she is talking about the Miniature horses, not fjords!  Miniatures
> have a lot of conformation problems, due to selecting for small size, etc.
>
> Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, another mild day
> 
> Jean Ernest
> Fairbanks, Alaska
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thank you Jean.  You explained it for me.

--
"Built FJORD tough"
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
Northern Wisconsin

Re: Natural Selection, Teeth etc

[carol j makosky]

This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Karen McCarthy wrote:

> This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >Karen, she is talking about the Miniature horses, not fjords!  Jean in
> >Fairbanks, Alaska, another mild day
>
> Geez, like DUH!! Sorry Carol!
> oh, no - lets not go there: mini horses BIG conf.problems
>
> Well they are cute.  And I've seen them perform at Villa Louis in WI.
> Their legs are going so fast on the cross country, that they look like
> little windup toys.  Can you imagine.  We kind of get tired of people
> addressing our Fjords as cute, how anoying it would be having a mini and
> hearing cute more often.  They little guys can really go.  When I get too
> old and feble for my big Fjord, I will get one or two minnies.

--
"Built FJORD tough"
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
Northern Wisconsin

Re: TEETH & TESTICLES VET REPORT ON FILE WITH NFHR

[Arthur Rivoire]

This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire)



Hello Everybody from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia -



Re this discussion, I want to list the important points, as I see them.

#1 - That having these reports done by a vet and on file with the NFHR is a
small, but positive step in maintaining quality in the breed.  

#2 - Someone suggested that since the average American Fjord stallion only
breeds 1.5 mares a year, mares should be included. I agree.  Foals can
inherit misaligned teeth from the dam as well.  

#3 - This is not a "licensing to breed" plan.   No horses are going to
be prohibited from breeding.  

#4 -  Requiring that this information be on file at NFHR will be a SERVICE
 TO BREEDERS & BUYERS. --  While it won't prevent anyone
from  breeding parrot mouthed horses, it will discourage the
practice.  

#5 -  The NFHR requires all kinds of reports to be on file; such as
TRANSFER REPORTS, STALLION BREEDING REPORTS, DNA TEST REPORTS.  This is no
different.  Just one more way to control quality in the breed.

#6 -  This has nothing to do with registering horses.  It's not a
requirement for registration.   

# 7-  Mares and stallions should be vet checked for teeth and testicles
before they begin breeding, say at age two.   

#8 -  This report would have to be on file with the NFHR before any
offspring from the mare or stallion could be registered.  NOTE: I'm not
saying any horse can be prevented from breeding by the Registry.  I am
saying that their foals can't be registered if the vet report on teeth and
testicles is not on file.  ---  Again, no difference than other paper
requirements to register foals.  

#9 -  I think this program could go a long way to check the proliferation
of these faults.  People can be encouraged by timely reminders in the
Herald, for instance, to check out at the Registry horses they're
considering buying or breeding to.  

#10 -  The  knowledge that these reports are filed on every U.S. breeding
Fjord should go a long way toward encouraging breeders to pay more
attention to these inheritable faults. Buyers and breeders as well. 

There's probably lots more to say on the subject, but I haven't time this
morning. 

I hope this topic isn't dropped.  It's much too important.  

Once Again  Having teeth and testicles tested and on file with the NFHR
is a SMALL but IMPORTANT thing we can do to maintain standards in our
breed.  It would cost almost nothing.  Could be done at owner's convenience.

   There's MUCH MUCH more that could be done to protect and preserve
the qualities we love in this breed . . . But, this particular plan is an
easy one and an important one, and I can't see how anyone who has the best
interest of the breed at heart, could object.  


What do you think? 

ONE MORE THING -  Some people have gotten the impression that overbites or
underbites are common in the breed.  NOBODY HAS SAID THAT!  However, if we
allow horses to breed that have these conditions, you will  see a lot of it
in the area the faulty horses are breeding.  This fault is a strongly
inherited trait.  Everyone knows that!  It's a crime to breed animals and
not do everything in one's power to prevent it happening.

Think of it this way --  The reason misaligned mouths are considered such a
serious fault is that with such mouths, horses have a very hard time
grazing or can't do it at all.  ---  This would never happen in the wild,
as those horses would waste away and die.  However, now we can keep them
fat and jolly by feeding them mush all their lives.  Fine!!!  But, we don't
have to breed those horses. 

Best Regards,  Carol Rivoire  


Carol and Arthur Rivoire
Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II
R.R. 7 Pomquet
Antigonish County
Nova Scotia
B2G 2L4
902 386 2304
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf

Re: Fwd: Re: Dutch Keuring Results Included in Book-

[Mariposa Farm]

This message is from: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



"Mike May, Registrar NFHR" wrote:

> They certainly do have an impact.  Everyone worries about the stallions
> teeth.  If your mare has a serious over/under bite would you breed her
> anyway?  This question is to everyone on the list and not directed to Mark
> alone.
>
> Mike

Whose horses have very nice teeth. (Mark's)  :)

Re: saddle

[GailDorine]

This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In a message dated 1/25/01 9:06:36 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>  Any suggestions.
There are some orthoflex saddles that are a mix of western and English 
features and may satisfy your preferences and your horse's.  Sue Sorger has 
one she likes a lot, so you might ask her about it.
Gail D. Vinson
Las Cruces, NM

Re: Natural Selection, Teeth etc

[carol j makosky]

This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Marsha Jo Hannah wrote:

> This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Now someone should go into braces for horses with over bites and
> > under bites, or has this been done already.  LOL
>
> Don't know about braces, but I heard something interesting from a
> friend who's a miniature horse judge.  Apparently, judges are required
> to check the bite on minis in halter classes, with the standard being
> that the front surface of the teeth meet, within some tolerance.  She
> says she sees all too many who meet that standard---but only because
> the front surfaces of some of the animal's incisors have been
> "dressed" back!
>
> For every rule, there's a loophole
>
> Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman--
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]   anything that can go wrong, will!
> 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon

Yes I have heard of the mouth problems way back when they were 1st
becoming popular.  Maybe something with the breeding down the size.

--
"Built FJORD tough"
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
Northern Wisconsin

Re: almond milk

[carol j makosky]

This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Denise Delgado wrote:

> This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> POST THE RECIPE denise
> - Original Message -
> From: "carol j makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 7:31 AM
> Subject: Re: almond milk
>
> > This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Jean
> > Does the almond milk have a strong flavor of almond?  I just love
> almond flavor.
> > I have a wicked recipe for ice tea from scratch that has vanilla and
> almond
> > extract in it.  It is called Plantation Tea and that is the only kind
> I make.

2 tea bags, 3/4 c. sugar, 2 c. boiling water, 1/4 c. lemon juice.
Steep the above for 10 min. (I do it about 1 hr.)

Add:  2 c. cold water, 1/2 tsp. vanilla extract and 1/2 tsp. almond extract.

Serve over ice.
You can adjust the ingredients to your liking.  I cut way back on the sugar
and have expanded the amounts to make about 1 gal. at a time.
I think I got this recipe from the American radio station while we were
stationed in Germany way back in the sixties.

>
> >
> > --
> > "Built FJORD tough"
> > Carol M.
> > On Golden Pond
> > Northern Wisconsin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

--
"Built FJORD tough"
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
Northern Wisconsin

Re: Natural Selection, Teeth etc

[Karen McCarthy]

This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>






Yes I have heard of the mouth problems way back when they were 1st
becoming popular.  Maybe something with the breeding down the size.
"Built FJORD tough"
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
Northern Wisconsin


Carol, can you please expand on this last sentence? I don't quite 
understand. (Population size, height,or?)

Thx.
Karen

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Re: Natural Selection, Teeth etc

[Jean Ernest]

This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


>>Yes I have heard of the mouth problems way back when they were 1st
>>becoming popular.  Maybe something with the breeding down the size.
>
>Carol, can you please expand on this last sentence? I don't quite 
>understand. (Population size, height,or?)

Karen, she is talking about the Miniature horses, not fjords!  Miniatures
have a lot of conformation problems, due to selecting for small size, etc.

Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, another mild day

Jean Ernest
Fairbanks, Alaska
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Natural Selection, Teeth etc

[Karen McCarthy]

This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Karen, she is talking about the Miniature horses, not fjords!  Jean in 
Fairbanks, Alaska, another mild day


Geez, like DUH!! Sorry Carol!
oh, no - lets not go there: mini horses BIG conf.problems

Karen
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Re: Evaluations and Such

[Jean Gayle]

This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Brian are you really back? Hope so, good to hear from you again.   Jean






Jean Gayle
Aberdeen, WA
[Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter"
Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ]
http://www.techline.com/~jgayle
Barnes & Noble Book Stores

Round Pen

[Michael Bickman]

We'd like some input on two areas of (mostly fjord) horse farm construction.

First, we will have a paddock area directly behind the barn.  It will go
back about 80 feet and be wider than the barn.  The stalls on that side of
the barn will open to the paddocks and the horses will have frequent access
to them.  We plan to divide the paddocks with wood fencing, so each stall
will open to its own paddock.  Presently,  the area is red, muddy Georgia
clay.  We will grade a slight slope away from the barn to improve drainage.
My question is what is the best surface covering?

Second, we plan to build a round pen.  The pen probably will have a 65 foot
inside diameter and be built of wood posts and boards.  My question is
whether the wood siding should be solid to a 6 foot height or instead be
solid to maybe a 3 foot height (or to whatever height is needed to make it
unlikely a horse would put a foot through), and then alternate open space
and 2"x8" boards up to the 6 foot height.

Any input would be appreciated.

Mike

Mike and Cindy Bickman
Stepping Stone Farm
Canton, Georgia

Re: Fw: age data base-- revision # 3

[Epona1971]

This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In a message dated 1/25/01 5:14:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Hi,
 Do you notice there are no 20s yet?  Hey 20s, speak up. >>

Not for much longer... I'm 29. And Jack will be 66 next week!

Brigid Wasson
San Francisco Bay Area, CA
 http://members.nbci.com/mrgnpetsit/fjord1";>Our Fjords 

Member information (kind of long-sorry!)

[Tish Pasqual]

This message is from: "Tish Pasqual" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Time to join in with everyone else with an introduction and bio.

I am Tish Pasqual, 45 years old, live in Minneapolis(right in the city) and 
board my first/one and only horse Elphineas at a friend's place east of St. 
Paul (so I am "geographically challeneged" as far as my horsey activities go).  
I have been on the list for about a year and a half, and mostly lurk, but the 
benefits I have gotten from this list and the Carriage Driving list have been 
terrific.

When I bought Elph I didn't really know what I was doing (had ridden friend's 
horses for about nine years at that point, trailriding and some lessons), just 
fell in love with the breed and then with the three month old Elph.  I lucked 
out, however, as he is a very nice specimen (Oliver son, Konggard grandson) 
although at 14.2 a little tall for me, though I know a number of people who 
like that size!  He has had some training for driving and riding, and will go 
back to the trainer for April and May for some more work, and so that I can 
take lessons with the trainer.

As to the rest of my life, I have a non-horsey husband and 11 year old son, two 
Australian Sheperds Piper and Ookpic (Piper is half sister to one of Mike 
McGinley's dogs), a 100 year old Victorian house that we are trying to get up 
to a shabby chic level, and I work as a Marketing Research Manager.

The benefits of the list for me have been meeting some great people at Blue 
Earth and other shows and at the Midwest Winter meeting, buying a terrific and 
affordable beta biothane harness from Steve McI (our very own list-master), 
getting training tips in person and on the list, forming some across the 
country friendships that would never have happend without this list, and just 
generally feeling very much in-the-know about what is happening with the fjord 
world.  I just a little backyard owner, but have found it to be a very 
welcoming world and appreciate all of the information that is shared on the 
list.  I even like the controversy, most people I know are too polite to argue 
about anything!

We are looking forward to a very big year as Elph will be four on Cinco de 
Mayo, so this
will be a big training year for him.  He particularly likes driving, but with a 
2000 acre park reserve right next to where I board he is going to learn to like 
being ridden too!

Tish and Elph in Minneapolis
Looking forward to the Sleigh Rally at Lake Phalen in St. Paul on Sunday!

Re: mike m

[Denise Delgado]

This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

no, its the other mike, mike.  mike melby!  denise
- Original Message - 
From: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: mike m


> This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> At 07:20 PM 1/24/01 -0800, you wrote:
> >This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >mike m, sorry don't have your email anymore.  heralds are on their
> >way!!! denise
> 
> Is this for me?  What Heralds?
> 
> 
> 
> ===
> 
> Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry
> Mike May, Registrar
> Voice 716-872-4114
> FAX 716-787-0497
> 
> http://www.nfhr.com
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Natural Selection, Teeth etc

[whitedvm]

This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Now someone should go into braces for horses with over 
> bites and
> under bites, or has this been done already.  LOL
 --
> "Built FJORD tough"
> Carol M.
> On Golden Pond
> Northern Wisconsin
> 

Carol,

Correcting dental alignment problems is done all the time.  It has for
quite a while now.  It is considered unethical to do it in an animal that
will be used for breeding.  I have done some where it was severe enough
to affect the health of the horse.  Never have done a stallion though,
although I'm sure some do.

Steve

Steve and Amy White
Prairieholm Farm
Waterloo, Nebraska

Re: almond milk

[Jean Ernest]

This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>Does the Almond milk have a strong flavor of almond?  I just love almond
flavor.

No, at least not the Pacific stuff.  sort of like you ground up the almond
nuts and made a solution..actually not much flavor.  I was dissappointed as
I like Almond extract flavor too!

Jean in  Fairbanks, Alaska, (Where's winter?..+20 F)  

Jean Ernest
Fairbanks, Alaska
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Evaluations and Such

[Ursula Jensen]

This message is from: "Ursula Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

 Dear list;

A few more comments from myself before closing the books on this
subject. One of the most wonderful things about NFHR, its Evaluation
Program, and now the Record Book is the growth process to adulthood as a
Fjord producing country. For many years in our journeys we found all the
other countries had their own programs and their own publications of their
Evaluations.
   What we have in America is the beginning of a Fjord identity
which is American and very credible. With FHI direction and further
fine-tuning all countries will have their own evaluations and
exchangeEvaluators Internationally. There will be no need to have other
countries bring their Program to use on American Fjord horses.
  Americans are pretty independent and sometimes a little stubborn
about their choices in life so I expect there will always be dissenters, and
independents who wish it another way. My opinion

t here is we can not have it both ways to have a clear identity. In some
ways this discussion is more about power, control, and unfortunately money.
Some American owners have strong ties to various European countries and
their stock. This is OK for them but it is not right to dictate these ties
to other Americans who are moving ahead in their own areas of choice.
 The Record Book is nearing completion after a lot of hard work by
volunteers who believe in a publication of the six American
Evaluations,period, nothing more, I am sure after its publication the usual
complainers will be on their stools throwing whatever is throwable. It is
always much more easier to complain than actually join and become a
volunteer for NFHR. That said it is always a good thing to have the Royal
Opposition in a democracy. That makes it stronger and healthier. So my
thanks to the dissenters for their thoughts and ideas. One item I have
mentioned before is that there is no lack of passion for the Fjord horse. I
hope it will always be that way---Brian Jensen
Ursula & Brian Jensen
Trinity Fjords
Box 1032 Lumby BC Canada V0E-2G0
http://okjunc.junction.net/~ujensen/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(250) 547-6303

Re: Stallion Evaluation/Vet Checks

[Mike May, Registrar NFHR]

This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

At 10:29 PM 1/24/01 -0600, you wrote:

This message is from: "Cheryl Beillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Well .. I've been following this discussion .. and it raises some
interesting questions. I can appreciate that the semen count may be less
important? but can't see that checking teeth and testicles is a major
hurdle, and seems that it should be part of what constitutes basic
requirements for a breeding stallion.

It seems to me that if a stallion is registered at a young age, there is no
reason why additional information could not be put on the record, regarding
testicles .. descended or otherwise, when it's the appropriate time, in
terms of giving the horse time to mature, so that people like me, with mares
to breed, are able to consult the Registry (or the owner of the stallion)
after the appropriate period of time, re the suitability of the stallion.


That is pretty much what we do now for the Stallion List in the Herald.  If 
you want your stallion listed I have to have a Vet Certificate & the 
current years Stallion Breeding Report on file.  The horse must also be DNA 
or Bloodtyped too but now since that is required for registration it isn't 
really an issue anymore.



It would certainly give me pause if a stallion owner told me they didn't
consider this important or weren't willing to have their horse undergo an
assessment of this nature.  And I'd probably look for another stallion for
my mare.


I would be looking for a different stallion myself.  Preferably one that 
had been Evaluated so you could see an experts opinion of him too.


Mike

Re: mike m

[Mike May, Registrar NFHR]

This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

At 07:20 PM 1/24/01 -0800, you wrote:

This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

mike m, sorry don't have your email anymore.  heralds are on their
way!!! denise


Is this for me?  What Heralds?



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Re: Fw: age data base-- revision # 3

[Mike May, Registrar NFHR]

This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

At 07:16 PM 1/24/01 -0800, you wrote:

This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Subject: age data base-- revision # 3


Oh no!  I am in the second half of the list!

Re: almond milk

[Denise Delgado]

This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

POST THE RECIPE denise
- Original Message -
From: "carol j makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: almond milk


> This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Jean
> Does the almond milk have a strong flavor of almond?  I just love
almond flavor.
> I have a wicked recipe for ice tea from scratch that has vanilla and
almond
> extract in it.  It is called Plantation Tea and that is the only kind
I make.
>
> Jean Ernest wrote:
>
> > This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > There is soy milk and then there is soy milk.  Some tastes awful,
the only
> > brand I like is the Pacific:  Pacific Select, Pacific Enriched and
for a
> > really rich tasting drink, try the Pacific Ultra.  Pacific also make
almond
> > milk and I did try some since it was mentioned on the list.  I'll
have to
> > try the chocolate.
> > However, I drink Soy for the benefits of Soy isoflavones, as well as
the
> > taste, etc.  Most of them I can't stand, however.  Just the Pacific
brands.
> >
> > Jean in balmy Fairbanks, Alaska
> >
> > >to me.  I hate soybeans, but drink soy milk.  Campared to that,
potato milk,
> >
> > 
> > Jean Ernest
> > Fairbanks, Alaska
> > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> --
> "Built FJORD tough"
> Carol M.
> On Golden Pond
> Northern Wisconsin
>
>
>
>
>

Re: saddle clubs

[Denise Delgado]

This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

this group i joined is all quarter horses with a few pnies thrown in for
the kinds.  this is foothill cowboy country, mostly cattle ranchers and
wannabees.  they were all very gracious.  i CAN'T WAIT to take quinny
out and show them what a real fjord is like!  denise


There is a group in our area, but it's
> all QH's and seems, well, political and exclusive. I joined, but
haven't gone
> to meetings. Just isn't my cup of tea.
> Brigid Wasson
> San Francisco Bay Area, CA

Re: almond milk

[carol j makosky]

This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Jean
Does the almond milk have a strong flavor of almond?  I just love almond flavor.
I have a wicked recipe for ice tea from scratch that has vanilla and almond
extract in it.  It is called Plantation Tea and that is the only kind I make.

Jean Ernest wrote:

> This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> There is soy milk and then there is soy milk.  Some tastes awful, the only
> brand I like is the Pacific:  Pacific Select, Pacific Enriched and for a
> really rich tasting drink, try the Pacific Ultra.  Pacific also make almond
> milk and I did try some since it was mentioned on the list.  I'll have to
> try the chocolate.
> However, I drink Soy for the benefits of Soy isoflavones, as well as the
> taste, etc.  Most of them I can't stand, however.  Just the Pacific brands.
>
> Jean in balmy Fairbanks, Alaska
>
> >to me.  I hate soybeans, but drink soy milk.  Campared to that, potato milk,
>
> 
> Jean Ernest
> Fairbanks, Alaska
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

--
"Built FJORD tough"
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
Northern Wisconsin

Re: Dutch Keuring Results Included in Book-

[Mike May, Registrar NFHR]

This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

At 03:12 PM 1/24/01 -0800, you wrote:

This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Well...let me think out loud for a minute.

The registry is about educating the Fjord ownersbut (I believe...correct
me if I am wrong) the energy and funding to put together the evaluation
system comes largely from volunteers and from attendance at the evaluations.
This means that the evaluation system, and the productiion of the Record
Book have to finance themselves - the NFHR is not doing it.


Ok you asked to be corrected so here I go.  ;-)

The NFHR subsidized each of the Evaluations that were held up until last 
year at Blue Earth.  The 2000 Blue Earth Evaluation was the first one that 
actually supported itself & actually made some money.  That money was then 
earmarked to be used to fund the Training program for the new 
Evaluators.  The Evaluation system has been a very expensive undertaking 
overall.  The Training program for new Evaluators is also very expensive 
and is also being subsidized by the NFHR.  Myself I think it is worth the 
money being spent to keep improving the breed and educating the 
breeders/owners of the horses.  According to the surveys that were sent out 
last year it was also the view of most of the NFHR members.


The Record book is also being financed by the NFHR.  The pre sales of the 
book were really done to see if there was going to be enough interest in it 
to make it feasible to print.  I think the budget for the Record book is 
about $9,000.  That means that we will have to sell approx. 150 of them at 
the $25 price and then hoe we sell another 150 at the $35 price before we 
break even with the production cost.  The $9,000 is for a quantity of 500 
books.  Almost all of that cost is for the printing of it.  All of the 
labor (and that is a lot of labor) is being donated by a the dedicated 
Record book team.


By the way (look out here comes a shameless plug!) the deadline for 
ordering your pre publication discounted Record Book is getting very 
close.  I have to have the order by Feb. 15th if you want it for the 
$25.  After the 15th of Feb the price will be $35 plus $5 shipping & 
handling.  There is an order form for it in .pdf format at:


http://www.nfhr.com/PDF/EvalRecordBookOrder.PDF

and also a form in a fill in the blanks type MS Word format here:

http://www.nfhr.com/word_files/EvalRecordBookOrder.doc




(For example, I ordered a record book several months ago - at $25, instead
of $35 - partly to get a reduced price, but more important, to finance the
production of the record book.  I do not believe the record book would even
be printed if I...and others...had not come up with some "front money" AND
if volunteers whose ultimate goal is to enhance the NA eval system had not
put in countless hours to make their dream happen.)


This is true.  Without the pre orders for the book I don't think it 
probably would have happened either.  It for sure wouldn't have happened 
without the persistence of the Record Book committee led by the VERY 
persistent Ursula Jensen.  I commend you for your passion in seeing this 
through Ursula, I know it hasn't been easy.




My understanding is that only evaluated horses would go in the record
bookit is to be a true RECORD of the evaluations.  Sowhat we are
talking about here is putting non-evaluated (by NA eval system) horses in a
book that is meant to contain a record of NFHR evaluations.  This means that
imported stallions cannot get in (unless they are evaluated by the NFHR
system.)  Nor can North American stallions that have never been evaluated.
The specific intent of the record book is to exclude non-evaluated horses.


I don't know if i would say  "The specific intent of the record book is to 
exclude non-evaluated horses."  I think the specific intent of the record 
book is to INclude all NFHR evaluated horses.




So...the other issue is: Do we expand the book to be a RECORD of all
evaluations, worldwide - at least as it pertains to horses in North America?
Problem with that is that the book is set up to provide info in the format
of the NA eval systema system which I believe may have advantages over
the Keurings and even the Dutch and Norwegian systems.  And...if the record
book is part of promoting a NA systemreaching out to include the other
evaluated horses would mean that an extra effort would have to be made to
include them, in a separate format.  Andyou take away at least part of
the "carrot" that encourages people to have their imported horses evaluated
by the American system.


I will leave this one alone.


Given that the people who are putting together the
record book are volunteers, and already overwhelmedit seems that this is
a drain on their time, energy and upfront financing that the NA system
cannot afford right now.


With this I agree.



Additionally, there is another route to get the evaluations of impor

Fwd: Re: Dutch Keuring Results Included in Book-

[Mike May, Registrar NFHR]

This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



).  I think teeth and testicles are just
part of the overall conformation that one should look at.  Mike did have a 
good

point about stallions in the U.S. only breeding 1.5 mares a season on the
average (did I understand this right Mike?).


Yes that is what the numbers show.  I am not real certain that it is a good 
guide though.  There are stallions that are breeding 10-20 a year too.


If this is the case I think we need to think about the mares impact on the 
breed more than we do.


They certainly do have an impact.  Everyone worries about the stallions 
teeth.  If your mare has a serious over/under bite would you breed her 
anyway?  This question is to everyone on the list and not directed to Mark 
alone.


Mike



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Southeastern Meeting

[Claudia Galup]

This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Claudia Galup)

In December, five Fjord owners in the Carolinas met to discuss forming a
pleasure club  to set up several Fjord ride/drive events during the
year, but also to consider forming a regional organization for our
areasouth of Virginia, I guess, Curt!  We now have a BOD member
in our area, Jane Sawyer , and a growing Fjord ownership in our part of
the country.  I for one have admired and even envied the organizations
in other parts of the country for promoting the breed, sponsoring
events, and providing a forum for education and recreation.
We would love to hear from any, (all!) of you  in the Southeast, or any
part of the South if you're willing to travel a bit.
We would love to sponsor a breed show and evaluations in the future, and
need to  hear your advice and concerns.  So far we have interest in
NOrth and South Carolina, and Georgia.
Interested parties, please contact:
Claudia Galup
326 W Bank Street
Salisbury ,NC 28144
704 637 6874
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

claudia

Re:Pacific brand

[truman matz]

This message is from: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Now that is ironical.  The case I'm into right now happens to be Pacific,
and it, (for me), was the most difficult to get used to.  It has the
strongest flavor of any I've had.  I like it fine now,... have two left out
of an entire case.  I've never tried the almond milk, but if my health food
store carries it, will pick up ONE.  :-)   Judy

To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com 
Date: Thursday, January 25, 2001 1:41 AM
Subject: Re: almond milk


>This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>There is soy milk and then there is soy milk.  Some tastes awful, the only
>brand I like is the Pacific:  ,
>
>

>

Re: Inaugural

[truman matz]

This message is from: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

That would be a GREAT idea!  Would any of the other Fjord ownes be
interested?  Judy
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com 
Date: Thursday, January 25, 2001 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: Inaugural


>This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>

>>I attended the Rose Parade this year, (great fun to do once). I would love
to
>participate with my Fjords. I kept thinking wouldn't a group of Fjords look
>great right here, some driven, some ridden, (english, western, sidesaddle)
>anything to show the versatility of our wonderful horses. >

Re: Inaugural

[SorgerJ]

This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In a message dated 1/23/01 6:08:55 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Have you or any of the other Fjord owners ever thought of participating in
 the Rose Parade?  It's a beautiful parade, and has lots of horses.  This
 year they sort of did a float, band, horse group,... then repeated the
 process.  We watched it in it's entirety at HGTV. >>

I attended the Rose Parade this year, (great fun to do once). I would love to 
participate with my Fjords. I kept thinking wouldn't a group of Fjords look 
great right here, some driven, some ridden, (english, western, sidesaddle) 
anything to show the versatility of our wonderful horses.
Sue in NM where I have seen more fog in the last week than I ever saw in all 
my growing up years in England.  

Re: Fw: age data base-- revision # 3

[carol j makosky]

This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Denise Delgado wrote:

> This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Subject: age data base-- revision # 3
>
>  katy andersen-14
>  caitlin-15
>  anneli-34
>  susan ginise-34
>  michele bigelow-35
>  michele noonan-35
>  reena-36
>  tammy hooper (id)-36
>  aimee day-36
>  lori albrough-36
>  russ ginise-37
>  jane myral(nd)-38
>  gunnar rogstad-38
>  candy sloma-38
>  jane in maine-38
>  lauren sellars-38
>  amy evers-39
>  patty jo walter-39
>  catherine lassesen-40
>  mark mcginley-41
>  ed sloma-42
>  lisa-42
>  karen mccarthy-43
>  sheri kane-43
>  suzan-43
>  andrea salkow-44
>  dave bigelow-44
>  lisa pedersen-44
>  carole sweet-44
>  linda hickman-46
>  pamela (northorse)-46
>  joni griffin-46
>  kim rogstad-46
>  sue giargiari-46
>  pat mccurty-47
>  denise delgado-47
>  micheal melbye-48
>  pam garofalo-49
>  sandra church-49
>  dawn (reddun)-49
>  teresa (kodiak fishco)-50
>  john ofjord-50
>  kathy spiegel-51
>  cheryl beillard-51
>  linda in minn-51
>  merek geiger-52
>  gail russel-53
>  marsha jo hannah-53
>  sue clark sorger-53
>  mike may-53
>  betsy bister-54
>  marion bijster-54
>  marty in md-54
>  cynthia madden-54
>  betsy in michigan-55
>  mike noonan-55
>  gail vinson in n.m.-55
>  dick giargiari-56
>  carol and patrick (jhalst)-56
>  julie will-56
>  steve mcilree-57
>  michael (reddun)-57
>  carol makosky-57
>  dan makosky-58
>  pat porter-58
>  rondi tyler-60
>  jean ernst-60
>  carol tacey-60
>  carol rivoire-60
>  sue (ny)-63
>  bernie karns-63
>  tony dimuccio-63
>  fred pack-64
>  mel goble-67
>  tillie evers-67
>  bud evers-71
>  jean gayle-75

Hi,
Do you notice there are no 20s yet?  Hey 20s, speak up.

--
"Built FJORD tough"
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
Northern Wisconsin

Re: Natural Selection, Teeth etc

[carol j makosky]

This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Jean Ernest wrote:

> This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I don't think that overbite IS common in Fjords, but it does occur.  I
> think maybe an underbite might be more common, altho not that common
> either.  I know a couple who have a SLIGHT underbite.
>
> I think it is worthwile to check both mare and stallions for bite and other
> faults.
>
> Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska yet another mild dayl for January: +25.  Boy, are
> we getting spoiled!
>
> >Carol,  absolutely a discussion to bring up.   I did NOT know that overbite
> >was common

Hi,
This is interesting and Jean you can button it up about how warm it is in
Fairbanks.  LOL  Every time I want or have the day to work Heidi, it is bloomin
too cold.  Now someone should go into braces for horses with over bites and
under bites, or has this been done already.  LOL

--
"Built FJORD tough"
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
Northern Wisconsin