Their not all THAT perfect ; )
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 3/25/01 10:18:50 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << BTW, I also tie them up until I'm done being mad at them. A trainer I really like that helps me out always ties up his "trainee's" for 1/2 hour after their daily lesson. He's convinced it makes them a better horse and less barn sour. >> Thanks Nancy for the encouraging words ! Somehow I missed your geldings blow out at BE last year, thanks for pointing it out to me We also, upon return from riding or driving, lightly work ours after a few swallows of water, then tie up for awhile...sometimes an hour or so. No putting back in for pets, food and freedom makes for nice uneventful walks home with loose lines. I also have a super training tip for those whos horses come home stronger, jigging, pulling, ducking and diving to get home quickerask and you shall recieve. Lisa * also works for those who go out slw and ducking or weaving their way out
Genetic linked bad feet, and poor herd management
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 3/25/01 10:18:50 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Anyway, IMHO, poor feet come from genetics most of the time with diet being a rare and extreme situation. I seriously doubt that rural Norwegians had the money to fuss over supplements. The best horses survived and the others didn't. Yes, it's back to that old saw about promoting and breeding the best to the best. (Hello, Carol?) BTW, I feel that way about all breeds. It's sad to see a well muscled QH with Barbie-doll feet or a draft horse with hoof walls all splayed out. >> I totally agree Pam, with the genetic link. The Fjord herd in Ca. who are known to have not only hoof problems, but thyroid problems are seen in most of the same line. Of course, these Fjords are kept in stall situations and are morbidly obese. One trainer that had worked with a few of these Fjords from the same herd, commented to me that they were products of alot of human caused weight and behavior problems, but their feet were amoung the worst she had seen. Lisa PS The Drafters cannot often be helped, unless you mean the " show " foot, with its extreme shoeing. My Draft mare has been routenly trimmed since the age of 4 months, and shes now turning 7 yrs old. Feet splay out cause shes almost 18 hands tall and their weight break down even the most cared for foot.LP
Rescue Remedy " cures "
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 3/25/01 10:18:50 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I don't know in which context you >were referring to the use of Rescue Remedy, but obviously you have never >used it? Might keep it in mind for your next driving demo ...uh-huh! Yes, Lisa, and you should take some yourself! It really works, on people, horses and dogs >> OK Karen and Jean..understand, I LIKE my HIGH-MAINTENENCE WAYS ! LOLOL. Now, my dogs are calm and reliable. Horses ? Juli's back to her old, dependable self.Lisa
Proud papa
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oops, Erlend's sweetie who just presented him with little Jens is named Tullae, not Tullf. I can do the Norwegian letter with the "a" and the "e" stuck together, as it should be, but I guess the Digest program doesn't read it that way and came up with "f" instead. Spent about an hour with Bob and Barb watching "colt-cavort" live and on video. Erlend delayed his announcement on the Digest for a while so that Bob could get his in first, but I guess he didn't wait long enough. Sorry, Bob. A couple of you have emailed to ask how Erlend can type. Easy, I type, he just dictates whatever he wants to say to me. On the hoof question, I believe that Fjords tend to have good hoof walls. Remember, the Norwegian judges start with the feet and go up when assessing Fjords. As far as etiology goes, I vote for genetics and nutrition in nearly equal portions. A close third would be farrier work. Bye for now, Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
Re:Fjord virus
This message is from: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >But, if I had to choose a horse to clone and fill my barn with, this >would be the one. She patiently taught me to ride, and she managed to >"infect" my non-horsey husband with the "Fjord virus". Now, THAT is >an important survival trait! ;-) Bravo the old mare! A horse that can "infect" a non-horsey husband with the "Fjord virus" is one that needs to have her bloodline perpetuated! What are these lines? Judy
Re: Hoof Problems
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I'm certainly not expert on feet, but my Fjords, and > most Fjords that I have > been around seem to have thin walls or thin soles or > both. I have seen a few > Fjords with a good, thick wall, but the majority of > the ones I've had any > experience with tend to be on the thin side. Most interesting!! In our experience with Fjords over the past 16 years or so MOST of the Fjords we've had on our place - or ones I've worked with - have excellent feet. Good hard "horn" in the feet and nice thick soles. The problem with 'tender footed Fjords', according to our farriers is not that they have thin soles BUT that they tend to have rather flat soles. They don't have the 'cupped' feet that a lot of other horses have. A lot of work stock tends to have flatter soles I guess. SO, if a horse has a flatter sole on his foot AND your farrier is trimming out the sole as he/she would for any other riding horse, THEN your Fjord won't have enough sole left to protect its feet. Hence tender feet. Our farrier says the only two Fjords he's seen(ours) with thinner soles ALSO have more cupped feet - keeping their soles UP away from the ground. Maybe different kinds of 'Fjord feet' occur in different bloodlines - or maybe the climate they live in has a lot to do with it - who knows. But the ones I've seen - not all from the same line - have generally had good feet. Much better than the feet on most 'modern' horses. Possibly it's us 'horse people' who are causing/contributing to the problem by keeping more and more Fjords stalled, or in small pens, similar to what we see in a lot of event horses. Lack of exercise on good ol' natural ground can lead to a myriad of hoof problems, not the least of which are slow hoof growth and decreased wall thickness. "If you don't use it, you lose it" maybe? Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: Feet
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It would be interesting to do a survey of hoof quality and compare > it to bloodlines! When I first read this, I thought, "Yeah, great." But, the more I thought about it, the more misgivings I've had. Hoof quality is subjective. Worse, it depends on the conditions under which the equines are kept---feed, supplements, hoof dressings, exercise, stall/pasture, etc. Consider my Fjord gelding, whose hooves were "fair, but chippy" in coastal California's "mediterranean" climate on gravel over clay soils, and now have become "very good" in We(s)tern Oregon's climate on sandy-loam soils. How should I score his hooves? And, to which of his ancestors would you attribute it, anyway---particularly with the 3 "Purdy mare holes" in his pedigree? Then there's the problem of over-concentrating on one part of the horse. (I've already bored y'all with the EQUUS article about what happened to the fur foxes that were bred to be "calmer".) Consider my husband's Fjord gelding, whose hooves were good in CA and better in OR. This same horse has crooked legs, a tendency to scramble and dump himself in tricky footing (even without a rider), and is often referred to as "Squirrel Brain". Many is the time I've joked to farriers that I wish I could put this gelding's hooves on my old mare---or her brain in his head---particularly after the (human) medical bills that this horse has caused exceeded his purchase price. Bluntly, this horse has been a lesson in how NOT to buy a horse. His "good" hooves don't come near to making up for his other problems, some of which are probably genetic, as well. Then there's my old mare. Yeah, she's got some hoof problems. (At her age---32---the wonder is that she's still upright on top of them!) But, if I had to choose a horse to clone and fill my barn with, this would be the one. She patiently taught me to ride, and she managed to "infect" my non-horsey husband with the "Fjord virus". Now, THAT is an important survival trait! ;-) Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
Re: Note from proud papa
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Congrats! Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI 231.689.9902 http://hometown.aol.com/heithingi/BaileysNorwegianFjords.html
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This message is from: "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello againJean and Steve thanks for the worming advice. We have Strongid T but I have never seen Strongid C here. What is it like...a liquid or pellets?? I will have to ask about it to see if it is available here in Canada. What wormers would be recommended for use every 6 weeks if the other is not available? You guys have certainly explained the worm situation. I just naturally assumed that the wormer would search out and destroy worms everywhere. Doesn't it work that way in cats and dogs? ...worm once and repeat in 2 weeks and then worm yearly? Isn't there at least one horse wormer on the market that is dangerous and has actually paralyzed a horses tongue? I want to be sure I use the safe ones. It is stories like this that make one leery of wormers. I am not sure how often the same wormer can be repeated and still be effective. We used Ivermectin before Christmas and Panacur the other week. We have Strongid T in the cupboard. Also has anyone heard of "rubber horseshoes"? Well have a great day everyone Sue in N.B. (Desert Storm's mom)
Juli's temper tantum
This message is from: Nancy Hotovy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lisa - You have my sympathy! Unfortunately, you can analyse everything 100 times and not be sure you came up with the right answer as to why Juli decided to act like an idiot in front of a million people. All I can say is that if you do this stuff long enough, it's bound to happen sooner or later to some extent. Remember last year at Blue Earth (don't know why I would want to bring this up and advertise it to the world) our gelding Kelsey acting up in his cart class to the extent I unharnessed him and led him out of the ring. You could feel him ready to blow at any second. This is the gelding that has been to Horse Progress Days for years as well as fairs, expos and Blue Earth - solid as a rock! Ha! Don't have any idea what flipped him off. Anyway I waited till the classes were over and we drove and drove and drove that evening - - until the mosquitos carried us away! He was really tense when I hitched him after the show but after a couple hours was much better. I got up the next morning EARLY and hitched him again and he was back to his old self. Used him in cart, tandem, team, 4-up and log skid that day with no trouble whatsoever! (There goes the PMS theory!) I know where you're coming from. Why do they decide to pull something like that in front of the world?!? BTW, I also tie them up until I'm done being mad at them. A trainer I really like that helps me out always ties up his "trainee's" for 1/2 hour after their daily lesson. He's convinced it makes them a better horse and less barn sour. Went riding this afternoon for about 3 hours in the snowing, blowing cold!!! What happened to that first day of spring??? Absolutely froze my face right off but I was determined to have fun! (Maybe my horses aren't any crazier than I am). Nancy from Michigan where we are looking for spring
H+M travel precations
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi guys ! I copied this from another list Im on, regarding trips abroad..hope it helps, although for people going to Europe to LOOK at Fjords and farms, not much good news here. I hear that Canada is considering closing its borders soon, due to the H+M horror.hope that it wont last long if they do, or it will impact alot of Fjord events as well as Fjord owners in North America. CO. made some " cloven hoofed " border close's also now, and everyone is waiting for TX to follow. Watch those meat prices sky rocket here and everywhere if that happens. This is getting bad. Lisa Traveling abroad? Take precautions: * Avoid contact with animals or areas where animals have been held for at least five days before returning to the U.S. * Before returning to the U.S., launder or dry clean all clothing, jackets or coats! * If you have visited a farm abroad, or if you've traveled and live, work or plan to visit a farm in the U.S., shower, shampoo, and change into clean clothing. Wash or dry clean clothes--don't risk taking the FMD virus home on contaminated clothing! * Remove all dirt or organic material from shoes, luggage, personal items, etc. Wipe the items with disinfectant. * Don't bring prohibited products home. * Avoid contact with livestock or wildlife for at least five days when you get home! Disinfectants These products can be used effectively to disinfect for FMD: * Sodium hydroxide (lye) solution (2 percent). Mix a 13-ounce can in five gallons of water. * Sodium carbonate (soda ash) solution (4 percent). Mix one pound in three gallons of water. * Citric acid 0.2 percent solution. * Acetic acid (vinegar) 2 percent solution. Mix one gallon of vinegar (4 percent) in a gallon of water. * Virkon S (Antec International) at a 1:200 dilution. * Sodium Hypochlorite (household bleach) Mix three parts bleach to two parts water
Re: Note from proud papa
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Congratulations to all the new babies and I hope Erlend's new boy has learned to lie down and he understands that it is not a mark of weakness! These male egos! Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Note from proud papa
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey you humans - I usually just lurk, but today I am busting out with fatherly pride, so I had to write! Yesterday one of my sweeties, Tullf, presented me with with a bouncing baby boy! I haven't seen him yet, but my humans tell me he is perfectly beautiful, with silky fur, long straight legs, and a fine, upheaded stance. Well, what did they expect??? His humans, Bob and Barb Envick, are as goofy as most around this little guy, who they named Jens [pronounced Yens]. They were even given a surprise baby shower! Good thing Jens arrived in time for the party... I guess he's going to be a party kind of guy. Well, you know, colts will be colts. He's a lovely brown, like his foxy mom. I just hope he figures out how to lay down pretty soon, cause he's going to get awfully tired of standing up. I hear he's got the front leg thing figured out, but the back ones won't cooperate, so he stays there looking kind of silly with his little behind in the air, and then gets up again. Oh well, I'm sure the family smarts will kick in pretty soon, and he'll have his people wrapped around his little hoof. Good bye all you humans, Erlend Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
Re: Feet
This message is from: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Pam, >I think you are right about genetics playing a part in the quality of feet: > I looked up your fjords on the CFHA pedigree links and see thay have the >same bloodline as mine, Rudaren, Leidjo and back to Ola Gik through >Modellen and Line. > It would be interesting to do a survey of hoof quality and compare it to >bloodlines! >Come-on! Let's do the hoof survey! ** Excellent idea!!! Teeth and testicles are majorly important, especially if you have a horse that is eating or breeding. :-)However, without the feet, the teeth and testicles seem to lose a bit of the importance. Why is there not at least as much emphasis placed on feet,... literally the foundation of the horse, as there is on teeth and testicles? And how about including that majorly important data in the next Record Book? I can grind up my horses food if his teeth go bad, but I sure don't know much about hoof prosthesis. Judy
Re: Feet and Foaling
This message is from: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > As for foaling and The Wait, my imported mare, Riata, was "due" in >March. She foaled in May. I was beside myself wondering if she was okay (I >was repeatedly assured that she was fine). After carefully reading her >breeding papers (stallion report??), I realized she had been turned out and >"exposed" to the stallion for about three months. I then realized that she >was a flirt and took her sweet time about breeding. Either that or the >stallion was busy being distracted by the other gals in his harem. >Pamela Garofalo *** We have a Curly mare who falls so in love with the stallion that she needs to be separated from him after she's been covered and no longer showing heat. If left with him in pasture, she'll slip her foal in order to be bred again. (And y'all thought Fjords were over-sexed!) But if you're pasture breeding, that's one thing to keep in mind. Point of interest: we had another mare in with the stallion at the same time. She was a maiden, and wouldn't allow him to cover her. The first mare I mentioned spent several days "covering" the maiden mare, until she would accept the stallion. Saw it myself. My husband came home the first day, and I told him I had some good news and some bad news. Good news was that Cookie got covered. Bad news was that Triscuit was the one who covered her. However, about three days later the stallion had no problem with the breeding. Judy
hay and alfalfa
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I just learned yesterday that many of our grass hay and alfalfa growers east of the mountains are being heavily restricted in their use of water, some at 6% only of their usual amount. The government is going to subsidize them at a certain amount per acre that they do not use. Makes the hay situation desperate for the fall and winter months in the northwest at least. And I have storage for only three ton. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Feet and Foaling
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pam, I think you are right about genetics playing a part in the quality of feet: I looked up your fjords on the CFHA pedigree links and see thay have the same bloodline as mine, Rudaren, Leidjo and back to Ola Gik through Modellen and Line. It would be interesting to do a survey of hoof quality and compare it to bloodlines! Anybody that wants to participate, send me a private e-mail telling me your horses registered name (NFHR or CFHA) and the quality of their feet. I will look up the bloodlines and compile a little list, keeping you and your horses' names private if you wish. (unless you want to brag about their feet!) e-mail me: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Come-on! Let's do the hoof survey! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where we had a little 4.3 earthquake last night that woke me up with the shaking. No damage anywhere > My mare, imported from Canada, and her foal, now 22 months old, both >have incredible feet. They are big, round, strong and self-levelling. My >farrier swears he would have to find another source of income if all he had >to work on were fjord hooves. I really thought such feet were a breed >standard. Shows what I know. > Anyway, IMHO, poor feet come from genetics most of the time with diet >being a rare and extreme situation. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Looking For a Fjord
Hello! I have a friend looking for a very specific type of Fjord. Here is what she needs: Wanted--Small, calm, well broke, and "just right" for small children. Gelding preferred, and not too expensive. Good home provided and some work in the Circus. If you have anything that may work, please contact me privately. Thanks! Anne Crandall Nottawa Crossing Fjord Horses Marshall MI [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Feet and Foaling
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Folks: My mare, imported from Canada, and her foal, now 22 months old, both have incredible feet. They are big, round, strong and self-levelling. My farrier swears he would have to find another source of income if all he had to work on were fjord hooves. I really thought such feet were a breed standard. Shows what I know. Anyway, IMHO, poor feet come from genetics most of the time with diet being a rare and extreme situation. I seriously doubt that rural Norwegians had the money to fuss over supplements. The best horses survived and the others didn't. Yes, it's back to that old saw about promoting and breeding the best to the best. (Hello, Carol?) BTW, I feel that way about all breeds. It's sad to see a well muscled QH with Barbie-doll feet or a draft horse with hoof walls all splayed out. As for foaling and The Wait, my imported mare, Riata, was "due" in March. She foaled in May. I was beside myself wondering if she was okay (I was repeatedly assured that she was fine). After carefully reading her breeding papers (stallion report??), I realized she had been turned out and "exposed" to the stallion for about three months. I then realized that she was a flirt and took her sweet time about breeding. Either that or the stallion was busy being distracted by the other gals in his harem. Anyway, I may never know her true gestation but her delivery was uncomplicated (the whole family was present!) and the foal was perfect and strong. Pamela Garofalo
FJORD CHAT Sunday Night
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hoofs/feet
This message is from: "Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Good Morning, We have 5 Fjords, 4 of the 5 have really great feet, however the other one is very thin walled and tends to crack and split. She's fed exactly the same as all the others. She also has very small feet. Someone asked about bloodlines, It would be interesting to see if there is a common bloodline. Sherrie Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mare For Sale
This message is from: Sherle Monheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For Sale, Skjonnhet SCF-F-945-M, 9 year old Brown Dun Mare, 14.1 hh, rides Western or English, has had harness on and ground driven, also excellent Broodmare, has had three babies, now open, but will breed to our Stallion if buyers desire. This mare has a very easy going way and is quiet and gentle to handle.Sire: Grabbson out of Vindy by Grabb, Dam Buffy out of Rita by Kinnikinnick Red Evaluation at Blue Earth Show in 98, Weanling Colt that year took a second place in a class of 7. Pictures can be seen on our website: www.BitsWheelsRanch.com. .
