Re: Bobcats: info please

2001-08-13 Thread anke . killinger
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Oh, that's it. The bobcat is one kind of lynx ... Now I can understand. I
wrote the whole time about the lynx rufus, cause the lynx canadensis is the
lynx who lives in the north as I learned.




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Canada Lynx:  Lynx canadensis

Bobcat:  Lynx rufus

At 07:37 AM 8/14/2001 +0200, you wrote:
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>I was astonished to read about a difference between bobcat and lynx .. In
>all books and pages I looked I found bobcat = lynx. So could you please
>give me the latin name of a bobcat?
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Jean Ernest
Fairbanks, Alaska
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Re: Bobcats: info please

2001-08-13 Thread Marsha Jo Hannah
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> I was astonished to read about a difference between bobcat and lynx
> .. In all books and pages I looked I found bobcat = lynx. So could
> you please give me the latin name of a bobcat?

My recollection is that the animal commonly referred to as a "lynx"
has the Latin name "lynx lynx".  A "bobcat" is "lynx rufus".

Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   anything that can go wrong, will!
15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon





Re: Bobcats: info please

2001-08-13 Thread Jean Ernest
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Canada Lynx:  Lynx canadensis

Bobcat:  Lynx rufus

At 07:37 AM 8/14/2001 +0200, you wrote:
>This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>I was astonished to read about a difference between bobcat and lynx .. In
>all books and pages I looked I found bobcat = lynx. So could you please
>give me the latin name of a bobcat?
>
>
>

Jean Ernest
Fairbanks, Alaska
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Re: PMU Fjord-cross foals for adoption

2001-08-13 Thread OLSENELAIN
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If you have had this discussion before, I must have missed it. Sorry!





Re: Bobcats: info please

2001-08-13 Thread anke . killinger
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I was astonished to read about a difference between bobcat and lynx .. In
all books and pages I looked I found bobcat = lynx. So could you please
give me the latin name of a bobcat?





Re: Another Dressage Show

2001-08-13 Thread Jean Gayle
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Lori so glad to see you and Prisco doing so well.  What a thrill and great
for you both.  Keep enjoying it, you make it sound like fun/  Jean




Jean Walters Gayle
Aberdeen, WA
[Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter"
Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ]
http://users.techline.com/jgayle
Amazon.com to order





Re: There just couldn't be another day like this

2001-08-13 Thread Northhorse
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In a message dated 8/13/01 7:27:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Everything is fine with her now. The dog wasn't trying to be anything
> but a willing dog. He's so kind, and respectful, and tries so hard to
> 

Glad things are fine now.  Poor thing!  This story reinforces my caution I 
take with my dogs.  When I first arrive home from wherever I may be and say 
hello to the dogs, I am always extremely cautious around my flatcoated 
retriever type of dog, and to a lesser extent my german shepherd.  My 
retriever, as is your friend's, is also very boisterous.  He'll bump into the 
shepherd in a mad dash of glee, they'll race around the property for a bit 
and come dashing back to me.  I always, instinctually bend my knees slightly, 
just in case.  So far he's missed me every time.  But I'd rather be ready 
than have my knee get slammed and bent backwards shudder.

Pamela





Grooms

2001-08-13 Thread Pedfjords
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In a message dated 8/13/01 9:13:05 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<  I may be looking for a groom for the four and unique
 hitch so if you are interested in the sport of driving and want to
 participate in the show let me know. I have one groom confirmed and another
 cancelled due to personal reasons.  >>


  U, sheer terror ?  







   Lisa Pedersen ( ducking and hiding way down here )





Fjord Gelding for sale

2001-08-13 Thread LHCarriage
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Our Valley neighbors have a 14 yr.old , 14.1 Fjord gelding for sale. He is
broke to ride. They are asking $3000. We live in Northern California. You
can email me or contact them at  530  467-3902.
Les & Margaret H.
Callahan,Ca





There just couldn't be another day like this

2001-08-13 Thread dmtfarms
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Several years ago, an old boss of mine rescued a golden retrever. This
was a wonderful, responsive dog. She sent him away with a hand signal,
and then brought him back. He came bolting back to her, and ran into
her knee (in his enthusiam, he didn't stop in front of her, as he
should. Maybe the grass was wet.) She fell down, and knew she'd
severely hurt her knee. With her dogs help, she made it back to the
car, and to the hospital. They braced her knee, gave her crutches, and
sent her home. But here's the rest of the story. As she was walking
into the house, after visiting the hospital, her crutch slipped on a
wet spot at the door of the house, and she went down. Back to the
hospital. This time, she broke her wrist.

But that's not the end. Due to her knee, and her wrist, she decided to
take the pain pills the hospital had given her. She started having bad
dreams, and flung her wrist around, and cracked her husband across the
bridge of his nose. YUP. He had to go to the hospital with a broken
nose. Can you imagine the hospital notes!!! Three visits by the same
couple in less than 24 hours.

But this miss adventure really makes you think. It could be just the
slightest change in your body balance, or even trying to adjust
yourself for something perseved, which can wreak havoc, and continue
to do so.

Everything is fine with her now. The dog wasn't trying to be anything
but a willing dog. He's so kind, and respectful, and tries so hard to
please. But what a chain of events he started.

Mel Thomas
Baking in Indiana
But the country is beautiful.
Love to hear from some folks in Indiana.  My three fjords are missing others.





Re: PMU Fjord-cross foals for adoption

2001-08-13 Thread FJORDING
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 Wouldn't it be easier to organize such a protest movement against the whole 
PMU business that even the chosen ones in the business would run for their 
safety and end the problem by using synthetics? If you kill their profits or 
pie their faces badly enough, they move on. No more PMU foals to have to 
save. Merek 





Re: PMU Fjord-cross foals for adoption

2001-08-13 Thread Tekin Family
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Subject: Re: PMU Fjord-cross foals for adoption


> This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> I have talked many women out of using Premarin and switching to estrogen
> replacement hormones made from other sources than mare's urine. There are
> several that are manufactured from sweet potatoes that work just as well
> according to their doctors. And the women seem just as satisfied with the
> other medication. From the literature I have read from PETA, and the
photos I
> have seen of the farming practices used to collect mare's urine, it is a
> practice that seems cruel to any horse lover. Similar to veal farming. And
> there is the issue with the discarded foals. If List readers looked in to
> this, maybe they can "convert" more women into switching from Premarin to
> something else.
>
> I myself have used natural herbal products with great results.  What I
would like to know if these colts and fillies will have future health
problems and if anyone out there has adopted any  I am very interested after
seeing the site.  Linda please email privately at [EMAIL PROTECTED]





Re: PMU Fjord-cross foals for adoption

2001-08-13 Thread tillie34
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 And from us, Thanks Jean .

 Wondering how are all the people that have had some accidents lately 
are.Hope all are on the mend and enjoying the weather and their Fjords. 
 Amy has been horse farming at Lynn Millers this last week and again this 
week. She enjoys that so much. Mowing the hay and bringing it to the stack 
and then up on the stack, making a beautiful stack for winter feeding. Like 
her dad she feels she was born 100 years to late. Give us the OLE days. Tillie


Dun Lookin' Fjords
Bud,Tillie & Amy Evers
Redmond OR  (541) 548-6018
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589





Re: PMU Fjord-cross foals for adoption

2001-08-13 Thread Lynn Mohr
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Thank you Jean!





Re: PMU Fjord-cross foals for adoption

2001-08-13 Thread Jean Ernest
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PLEASE, Lets not start the PMU discussion again!

Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska

Jean Ernest
Fairbanks, Alaska
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Re: PMU Fjord-cross foals for adoption

2001-08-13 Thread OLSENELAIN
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I have talked many women out of using Premarin and switching to estrogen 
replacement hormones made from other sources than mare's urine. There are 
several that are manufactured from sweet potatoes that work just as well 
according to their doctors. And the women seem just as satisfied with the 
other medication. From the literature I have read from PETA, and the photos I 
have seen of the farming practices used to collect mare's urine, it is a 
practice that seems cruel to any horse lover. Similar to veal farming. And 
there is the issue with the discarded foals. If List readers looked in to 
this, maybe they can "convert" more women into switching from Premarin to 
something else.





PMU Fjord-cross foals for adoption

2001-08-13 Thread coyote
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I was extremely surprised to learn recently that there are some
Fjord-cross foals being born at the PMU (pregnant mare urine) farms in
Alberta and Manitoba, Canada. I thought maybe some people on this email
list might be interested in adopting one of these foals, so I'm passing
the info along to you all.
 
(Pregnant mare urine is used to manufacture Premarin, a product taken by
menopausal women to replace the estrogen their bodies used to naturally
manufacture.)

Each fall, the weaned foals are sold at auction. According to
information at FoalQuest, http://www.pmufoalquest.com , over two-thirds
of the auctioned PMU foals do go to good homes. The remaining foals will
go to meat buyers, unless they are rescued by one of a number of groups
who attempt to save the unwanted foals.

One person on a draft-horse forum I read said that many draft and
draft-cross foals are at greater risk of being bought for slaughter,
because many auction buyers don't want draft foals.

Anyway, if you are interested in adopting a PMU foal from FoalQuest, you
have until August 31 to mail a contract, a "wish list" of the kind of
foal desired, and the appropriate funds ($500 for light, $600 for draft
cross, and $700 for draft). The details are available at the website.

There are photos of two Fjord-cross foals available for adoption at:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=88874&a=12700010&f=0
(look for #49 and #02, Belgian-Fjord foals -- #49 in particular has the
classic brown dun Fjord coloring)

I don't have any affiliation with FoalQuest, by the way.

DeeAnna





Sale Announcement: Felix Fillies (2000, 2001)

2001-08-13 Thread Cheryl Beillard
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Hello All .. This is to announce that we have two FELIX daughters on our
sale list.

WR VERONICA (otherwise known as "V"), out of MVF SOLEIA (a Norwegian born
grandaughter of Grabb) won the Blue as a yearling in the Mares, 2 and Under,
class at Finger Lakes in July, and with her half brothers, took 3 of the top
5 placings at Woodstock ..and helped her father win Get of Sire as well.  At
the conformation clinic, following Finger Lakes,  Karen Maas said that there
was basically nothing you could say negative about this filly ..  Not only
is she very pretty, but she is very upheaded, and correct, and moves
beautifully.  We have some video clips of her last fall which are
breathtaking and which have prompted several long time breeders to say she
has tremendous potential as a performance horse, to say nothing of what she
may produce as a brood mare, later on.  It has taken me a long time to come
to terms with the idea of selling her, but I have decided I want her to go
to someone who can really bring out that potential.   There aren't that many
Felix daughters around and this one is exceptional.

We also have V's full sister, as yet unnamed (we are prepared to let her new
owner name her), "W" was born July 10, bouncing around the paddock who will
be ready to go in October, as a weanling.  Born a week early, she is smaller
than V at the same age, but otherwise is almost the spitting image, down to
the way she holds her head and the energy in her trot. We appear to have hit
the mark with this particular pairing .. Soleia is producing lovely foals by
Felix and we intend to repeat the breeding again next year.

Check the NFHR Pedigree for pictures .. I've just posted some.  And of
course please contact me privately if you are interested in either of our
beautiful Felix babies.





New 4-in-Hand photos

2001-08-13 Thread Starfire Farm, LLC
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Hi everyone.  We had so much fun yesterday that I just have to share it
all again.  The Colorado Driving Society arranged for a "schooling day,
picnic drive" at the High Prairie Farms cross country and marathon
driving course.  We loaded up "the team" along with Jeanne and Samantha
Poirier and their mare, Hanne and trekked to Parker where we joined
about 20 other hitches to play on the course.  There was one other
four-in-hand (a beautiful team of bay Arabians) and one pair.  Our girls
(leaders) were very "up" in the beginning, so we had quite a bit of
fjord power for the first 10 minutes or so.  They soon settled into
their work and we enjoyed exploring the hazards, learning what we're
capable of right now, and what we're not!  We had such a great time.
It's wonderful to be able to drive out in the wide open spaces, then
explore a hazard, whether natural or man made, then drive on.  Did I say
it was fun?  Sandy took photos, which I've put on the website.  Sorry,
no hyperlinks to larger photos right now, but we'll get that done
tonight (I think.)

http://www.starfirefarm.com

Lori  A.- keep up the great work your doing with Prisco.  Very
impressive scores!  Go pony power!

Beth

--
Beth Beymer & Sandy North
Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO
http://www.starfirefarm.com





Re: NY Show, VT Show & Moving

2001-08-13 Thread Pat Wilson
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Dear Sue:
I know my prayers are with you.  I hope that whatever the final diagnosis is,
you have the strength to make it.  I know that I will be pulling for you.  I
know the love of  these fjords helps to up anyone's attitude.  I have a bad day
at work and I go home an hug Lena and look into those soft brown eyes and the
problems seem small.
love
pat wilson
ttfn

SUSAN L GIARGIARI wrote:

> This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Hello Listers!
>
> Way to go Dave McWethy!  You girls with the 4 IN Hand are having way too
> much fun!! Maybe some day we can do a 4 IN Hand Stick Drill team at
> Libby
>
> Peg...I have the pictures and will hold them for randsome...you
> know what I am talking about...LOL..!!!
>
> It was great to see some of you in NY! And in VT! The NY Show was lots of
> fun and is definitely on our list of shows for every year! The VT Show was
> also a great time! Thanks to everyone who helped! Without Deb Stevens and
> Joanne Goble, there would have been no show!! The dinner/auction was fun(I
> hope Marcy & Susan will always be there to do it!!) , with the exception
> that I had to say a few words for the NFHR! Hope I didn't say too many
> "ums" . In all seriousness, please consider if you would like to run
> for the Board of Directors. It is a wonderful bunch of fjord fjolks(LOL) and
> a way to give back to the breed! Don't be intimidated! If I can do
> itso can you!
> You can nominate yourself, hint , hint, to the lovely little JR Champion
> from the NY Show! Put in your nomination, we would love to have a young teen
> learn all about the importance of the Registry and how we all work together.
> The common interest being the love of the Fjord Horse!
>If you all can believe this or not..we have our closing date for
> August 17. Yep.I packed my first box yesterday...sheetsI
> have all the boxes stacked in the kitchen and livingroom and Dick has put
> sides on a big flatbed and backed it up to the livingroom door, below the
> attic windowtime to throw away what I haven't needed in the last 23
> years...unless of course it has to do with childhood memories!!
> Sue S... so glad to hear how good you are doing!! We were worried
> about you ! Glad your little guy is doing so well also!
>
> I would like to ask for you all to have good thoughts for me as we go
> thru the next few weeks with the move and having a medical diagnosis done. I
> experienced numbness in my toes on the ride to VT on Thursday and as the
> weekend progressed, my left side of my body became numb. Felt like it was
> asleep. I know I looked funny dragging my leg in the arena! Man! Was that
> sand deep!!! By Sunday nite, the right leg felt the same also. Having fallen
> down the stairs in February and my hip still bothering me, I had hoped that
> it would have to do with that. I had an MRI today on my lower back and
> brain. There are abnormalities in the brain that are consistent with MS.
> Some of my health history is also consistent. I see a neurologist on Monday
> or Tuesday and will do more testing, but my Doctor was very concerned and
> knew that I was and called as soon as they read the MRI. I do have a very
> good outlook and know that there are all different levels of this disease,
> and have a great faith in God, that he won't dish out anymore than I can
> handle!!:-)  Maybe it will be something else, but the Dr. was pretty sure.
> You all are such an inspiring group of people that I wanted to share this
> personal journey with you and receive the strength that you give to the
> members in times when they need it. I need it right now. I understand what
> Sue S. means when she says that she goes back to read some of the letters
> written by us to her. Isn't it amazing how we have all been connected by
> this little brown dun pony! I have never met such a warm, caring group of
> folks!  I know to take it one day at a time, having learned from Richard's
> illness and will continue to do so.  Thanks for letting me ramble on! Sue g.





Re: summer water bugs

2001-08-13 Thread coyote
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Denise wrote: "well i have to tell you what a fun hour i just had with
my two horses when the end came all three of them were running,
bucking and kicking all over the pasture, chasing eachother and having a
grand old time.  and i am soaked too!..."

I sprayed my horses too last week when it was so hot. The heat index at
our place was well over 100. Sissel was mostly soaked with sweat and
breathing unusually hard. Where she was semi-dry, her coat was crusted
with dirt and salt. She did NOT appreciate the water at first, but
eventually learned to tolerate it, especially since there were treats
involved too. 

Toupen just glanced at me mildly, then adjusted his butt so the spray
hit him where he liked it best. Frosty and Duncan were jumpy at first,
then they decided they liked it. Frosty in particular -- I couldn't get
rid of him after a bit. Finn and Annie would have nothing to do with me
and my hose. Since I really didn't want to stress them further in the
heat, I left well enough alone.

I hope they all get to enjoy the water. I'll keep working at it on those
hotter-than-hot days.

DeeAnna





Re: Bobcats: info please

2001-08-13 Thread Kathy Spiegel
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Just a quick note.  If the animal is indeed a Bobcat and there is no reason to
doubt it please be careful.  This is an animal that does not normally come to a
house - is very secretive and it is acting strangely.  Be ware of the
possibility of rabies.  Just ten days ago near us a bobcat approached a home -
we are quire rural  and have both cougars and bobcats - and proceeded to get
into a figth with the family  dog - the dog survived but the cat was killed by
the owner when it advanced on him.  To make a long story short - the cat was
rabid - most likely from a bat -  Luckily the dog was current on its shots - the
owners then had to make a decision about the rabies series for themselves, since
they had handled both the cat body and cleaned up the dog.  A cougar is quite
different from a BOB cat - look for a tail the cougar has a magnificent one and
the bobcat a very short one  - although a young coagar may have spots like a
bobcat -   In either case, this is NOT normal cat behavior so do not be lulled
by the cute kitty look - something may be seriously wrong.

K Spiegel
S.E. Idaho