Miller's going down...and where to get a Thorowgood?
This message is from: Dagrun Aarsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I'm back again... (my email is working again, by the way, if you want to throw in a last-minute ad for Skandifest) Just sharing my mild frustration. I ordered the Thorowgood griffin AP broad (XW, 17 seat) and after promising and promising delivery in 2-3 weeks (for 3 months) and making up excuses, the contact at Miller's (Thorowgood Distrib. in the US) had to admit that they will be filing for chapter 11 bankrupcy shortly. I ordered through my tack store...so after expecting it any day, just in time for Skandifest, they had to tell me I will simply not get it. Brigid, can you add in the rules in the Skandifest program that native Norwegians on Canadian-imported fjords may ride bareback? If anyone knows of any store having some of these in stock (US, Canada or any other country likely to ship to me) let me know and I'll be on the like a hawk. Can you believe they keep advertising these saddles aggressively in US riding magazines and they're impossible to get? Hrmph. Dagrun, San Jose, CA
Re: quiet foals, normal?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/5/2002 8:13:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1st foal, 1st time I've been around a Fjord foal. I think she should run and jump and buck more, she does some, but not as much as I anticipated. The vet will be out Monday for a well baby checkup and first vaccinations. She is wormed monthly. She shares momma's grain and hay and has pasture. She has a playmate in the donkey yearling. So, she is fairly calm in pasture, very calm to handle. Was imprinted. Already leads, stands tied, loads, good w. clippers, gives her feet and tolerates a bath, at 10 weeks. I've seen friend's foals of other breeds and none of them were this workable. She is just as calm and friendly as you could imagine a foal to be. As my mom would say count your blessings and don't go looking for trouble. g She sounds like a lovely baby that you've been handling nicely. Nothing wrong with it not being a basketcase. :) Pamela A HREF=http://hometown.aol.com/northhorse/index.html;Northern Holiday Horses/A
Re: quiet foals, normal?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hope; My little Hasse is much the same. He is 3 1/2 months old. Leads from both sides, stands nicely to be haltered, backs on voice command and a little touch, clips, bathes (loves it!!), loads and trailers quietly, stands nicely, tied, to eat his grain - when finished does not fuss - just plays with the tie rope. This is my first foal and feel as though he was more of a handful when a month old. He plays a little with my older gelding - but not alot. Rarely runs and bucks - but, he really runs, squeals and bucks when we let him in the round pen all by himself. Loves to run really fast - I think it is because the footing is good. Anyway, he is just a joy! Linda in MN - here comes the heat and humidity:(
Re: DNA
This message is from: Snowy Mtn. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Mark who is your stallion I would be interested in looking up his bloodlines. That is a very great average for siring grey. I used to beleave that the grey gene had to be on both sides but I have been proven otherwise. Sven also has only sired grey but or other grey stallion Cosmo only threw one grey out of closer to a dozen foals.The mare that threw the grey foal did not have any grey in her background. The Mystery of breeding. - Original Message - From: Skeels, Mark A (MED) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: September 4, 2002 2:49 PM We have this Brown Stallion that has had just 4 foals out of 2 mares. All the offspring have been Grey. He has a Grey daddy. Someone told us
Re: Hello Fellow Fjord lovers
This message is from: Snowy Mtn. [EMAIL PROTECTED] My heart goes out to you Misha. I am sorry your health has not been well. I have missed your humerous posts on the list. Anyone looking for a great stallion Jovan is certainly a big beauty has been well taken care of loved. I hope you get better soon. Lauren I want to post on the board because i really do love my Mr. Big Man and he really is going to a good home only!
Re: Fuzzy Horses
This message is from: Cynthia Madden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tank has always shed his summer coat in early August and began his winter coat. Two summers in New Mexico haven't changed a thing and I don't think it ever will. The big difference is that the lack of humidity here does not make him miserable even in the 90+ degree heat during the day. In Nebraska, September was awful. At 5:30 pm he would be very sweaty and hot in his ever growing winter coat. Two days ago, I started trace clipping him as I now have to work him in the evenings instead of early morning. By doing so early on, I could use my dog clippers instead of heavy duty clippers I have to borrow. I will keep him trace clipped to some degree all winter. In March, if I go to the AZ CDE, I do increase the size of the trace clip so that he will not overheat. The Arab/Fjord cross I board has the same coat as Tank. Keyah, my Morgan, is still as slick as can be. I think the heavy coat is genetics. How cold it is getting in Norway now? I wonder if Fjords who are not getting heavy coats at this time are of more southern lines, Dutch, etc. = Cynthia Madden Las Cruces, NM [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com
Re: Fuzzy coats already?
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, Mary, I will now throw your theory all out of wack! Stella, Line's daughter, born in Norway, has the shorter coat, thick and plush in the winter, but not so long and shaggy. So does Bjorken, her son, sired by Anvil's Rikolv. Both are the taller, lighter sporthorse type. While they are getting somewhat fuzzy, they are still much sleeker than my other two. Now comes Adel, Stella's grandaughter (Anvil's Stina X Leidjo). Adel's coat is very very soft, wooly, not actually real long in the winter but longer than Stella's, and she has the very long forelock, thick, thick mane and tail, While Stella and son have short forelocks, thinner manes and tails. Adel is getting fuzzy, but not as fuzzy as Bjarne. Then old Bjarne, who I think was also foaled at 100 house, and is of a drafty type, has a very long thick shaggy coat in the winter and starts to get fuzzy every year in mid July. By now he has a coat probably as thick as some fjords ever get..he will shed a bit in October and get really thick and long coat by December. His mane and tail are very thick also. He is of the old original North American bloodlines. While his age may be a factor (27) He has done this ever since I have had him (15 years). I do think it IS bloodlines and Adel may have inherited some of her coat characteristics from Line, but I wonder what Leidjo looks like in the winter? Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska. Geese and cranes starting to fly south. OK, guys, I did come up with a 'theory' as to why some Fjords become 'winter fuzzy' earlier than others - Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wolf Teeth, Fall Coats and
This message is from: John Rooker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vili, our one and only Fjord, just had two wolf teeth removed a week ago. *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 9/4/02 at 11:09 PM Cheryl Beillard wrote: This message is from: Cheryl Beillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all .. I have a question for everyone regarding the prevalence of wolf teeth in the fjord population. I have just had the vet check two horses (2 and 3 yr old mares) and both have small wolf teeth erupting which I will have pulled before they are started this fall in their driving program. This is the 3rd fjord (of 7) which have had these teeth and my vet seems to think that this is a high percentage? So I'm wondering what the general experience has been among the several hundred fjord owners/breeders on the List? Do you check, and how often have you found your horses to have them. And do you have them removed. Neither of the two trainers I use will accept a horse with wolf teeth .. re the fall coats .. of my 6, one 2 yr old and this year's foal, have both started to get their winter coats .. the others remain smooth and glossy. It would be interesting to know if they follow the same pattern, ie early or late, in shedding or growing coats, from year to year. One other minor brag, for the breed as a whole, .. the same foal -- which Barb Jones and I have agreed to name Julie's Yggdrasil (Flotren x Bragda) - 4 mths, had to undergo vaccinations and a Coggins test this morning, for which he stood quite calmy (albeit with a bucket o of grain under his nose and someone rubbing his back) .. and the vet said she didn't believe that any other breed could be so easy to work with and so calm in response to this type of stress .. most of the babies she sees fly all over the stall at the first jab .. this boy has all of Bragda's spirit and then some, but clearly an equally strong does of common sense and trust in us .. we were so proud of him and I know that if Julie were up to reading the List, she'd be proud of him too. Watch out world, this is going to be one nice horse when he grows up!
Re: Rice Bran
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Debbie Treydte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Debbie Treydte [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mary, what does the rice bran do? Deb, Rice bran adds fat to the diet, instead of the carbohydrates that come from grain. We first started using it when we acquired a Fjord gelding that had trouble assimilating carbs - translation, he was thin no matter how much we fed him. In those kinds of horses substituting fat(rice bran) for carbs(grain) allows them to gain weight normally. A great side effect of feeding rice bran is added energy without making the horse 'grain crazy', plus a wonderfully silky smooth, shiny, water repellant coat. So we started feeding it to all the horses as top dressing on their grain in the winter - just as an added 'boost' to their winter ration, since we did not use alfalfa hay at all. Rice bran comes in lots of forms. Nutreena makes a rice bran supplement they call Equine Shine that is good. You can also buy it from Cenex in 50 pound bags. The thing with rice bran is that the quality differs. Equine Shine is good quality rice bran, which keeps well - while what I got from Cenex wasn't as good and didn't keep as well. Takes a while to feed 50 pounds when you only feed one horse ;). For just one horse I'd recommend the smaller bags of Eqine Shine, if you can get them. With rice bran it seems you really DO get what you pay for. The cheaper brands are not as good a deal in the long run. I give Lars a good grass hay all the time. Sounds like he has it 'made'! Fjords seem to really like grass hay. I've even had a couple that could NOT eat alfalfa hay AT ALL!! One was very allergic to the mildew that grows on the outsides of alfalfa bales in this damp country, and the other could not handle it for digestion - so he made 'cow pies' and sprayed them all over the stall walls(YUK!!) So I only feed alfalfa to cows, goats, or llamas(when I have such beasts) and feed grass hay to horses. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com
Re: Bleached Hair
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/5/2002 4:40:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We are definitely doing the pre-fuzzy coat thing (shedding that fuzz stuff and getting different color hair) here in our area. Wonder if the bleaching has anything to do with that process? That is what our mares are doing also Shedding lots of short hair. And if memory serves, it was this same time of year that my friend had the problem too. I'm beginning to think it's something to do with the foam type pads the heat. But! Why is it happening with my mares and the new Smucker's harness? Unless maybe they stuff the harness saddles with a foam??? I'll have to check into that. Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fuzzy coats already?
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an interesting subject for me because I've been trying to figure out a pattern with my horses. OK, guys, I did come up with a 'theory' as to why some Fjords become 'winter fuzzy' earlier than others - aside from the obvious theories of day length(which is probably the best one) and climate, etc., etc. We have always had at least a few horses on our place that were descended from our old mare, Line - who was born and raised in Norway. She was/is always the first to 'fuzz up' in the late summer. At first I thought maybe it was because her 'biological clock' was set when she was young in Norway. Fuel was added to that theory when we acquired a mare born in November in a place called 100 Mile House in the Yukon. This mare had absolutely the LONGEST coat I have ever seen! When we bought her in March in California she was just shedding out and my first thought was that she was in poor shape(worms or some such thing). No, it was just how her coat was. OK, now I had two mares raised in the northern latitudes. Enter a new bloodline - with an entirely different kind of coat - more like a 'regular' horse coat(short and flat). These horses would get somewhat fuzzy in the winter, but NEVER long and shaggy. Then I discovered that the first two mares actually WERE related through some imported stock. So, now I think maybe certain kinds of coats run in bloodlines. From observing other Fjords I seem to see two kinds: the stockier(more work-like) Fjords seem to have longer coat hair in general and get heavier winter coats which they put in earlier. The more 'sport horse' type Fjords(longer legs, leaner bodies, taller) seem to have a coat that is shorter, flatter, and tends to be just slightly fuzzy in the winter - without the LONG tummy hair, chest hair, and chinny whiskers. I must say that ALL of Line's offspring born here have her coat, some of them to the point of being ridiculous. Poor Lars suffers in the summer heat with his longer coat. Line's grandson, Sindar, has a soft, longish coat(year round) which curls when wet. The only one I'm not sure of is Katya, as she was still pretty young when we sold her. So, there's one theory as to why some are longer coated than others. Maybe coats are like 'body style', temperment, color, etc., and are a part of the genetic inheritance. Who knows? Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com
Hello Fellow Fjord lovers
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It has been along time since I have been on the list. I have been battling CFS and fibromyalgia and just taking every bit of energy just to keep the farm running. I have nopt had the energy to keep up with the board for the last year or so. Nice to see some old faces as well as new faces on the board. For those of you know don't know Shota Fjords we have been breeding Fjords for about a decade now and before that Appaloosas. Due to my illness i will be quitting my breeding program, boo hoo. I am looking for a good home for my buddy Jovan, he is a gorgeous stallion and loving and sweet and smart and polite and a full brother to Woodland's Dustin. If any one is interested please email me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I want to post on the board because i really do love my Mr. Big Man and he really is going to a good home only!
Re: Fuzzy Coats Already?
This message is from: Lori Lemley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I live in Arkansas and mine is already coating up. She was bred here and has lived in Arkansas or Tennessee all her 12 years. Warm Octobers can be hard on her, but so far this summer has been mild and hopefully Fall will be too. Lori
Re: Bleached Hair
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/4/02 8:41:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone ever experienced their Fjords hair bleaching out in places like under the saddle pad or harness saddle? A friend of mine experienced this with her Fjord a year or so ago - her gelding's back bleached out in a perfect shadow of the shape of her English saddle. Hi Amy- Yes! This is happening to Tommes. In the past we haven't done much focused riding, usually a weekend trail and bareback around the property. Lately, however, we've been practicing hard for Skandifest. His back is all white in the shape of the saddle! Because of the ammonia smell of the sweat, my guess is the perspiration bleaches the hair in the hot environment under the saddle pad. Incidentally I use a Skito pad with fake sheep skin and it's great. Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA A HREF=http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html;Our /A A HREF=http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html;Fjords/A A HREF=http://www.ourfjords.freeservers.com/fw/Fjordings_Wesx.html; Fjordings West/A / )__~ /L /L
Re: quiet foals, normal?
This message is from: Hope Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear listers, I probably have new mom worries, but want to ask anyway, are Fjord babies calmer than other breed's foals? 1st foal, 1st time I've been around a Fjord foal. I think she should run and jump and buck more, she does some, but not as much as I anticipated. The vet will be out Monday for a well baby checkup and first vaccinations. She is wormed monthly. She shares momma's grain and hay and has pasture. She has a playmate in the donkey yearling. So, she is fairly calm in pasture, very calm to handle. Was imprinted. Already leads, stands tied, loads, good w. clippers, gives her feet and tolerates a bath, at 10 weeks. I've seen friend's foals of other breeds and none of them were this workable. She is just as calm and friendly as you could imagine a foal to be. Maybe this is a fairly normal range of behavior for Fjord babies? I plan to ask the vet to draw blood for a CBC just to be on the safe side. Thanks, Hope N IL
Re: Summer Successes
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey, Tish! Sounds like things are going great with Elph:) Yea!!! Kristin and I were there - probably off at the pronto pup, mini-donut or lemonade stand:):):) You must come see Hasse - bring scones and we can go for a drive and have a good chat:) Don't forget the jelly:) (Tish knows how to enjoy a fall drive - haha!!) Listers: Hope you all have a fun weekend! I have riding/driving fever as the weather begins to cool off -- I welcome a good frost!! Unfortunately, in the Minneapolis area, we are heading into the upper 80's, close to 90 for the weekend - bo! Humid, too! Rode yesterday and we RAN to the open areas to get away from the skeets . Not very relaxing:) I am heading out to give Hasse a good morning smooch :):):) Linda in MN
Re: Bleached Hair
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi I have had the same thing happen to the fjord mare I have been riding this summer. I have been using a non-slip foam pad (black). She has never had any soreness or had any abrasions. In fact, the bleached hair shows a perfect outline of my saddle which I think means the saddle is making contact all over and fits well. I have been riding all summer, but just noticed this discoloration in the last couple of weeks. We are definitely doing the pre-fuzzy coat thing (shedding that fuzz stuff and getting different color hair) here in our area. Wonder if the bleaching has anything to do with that process? Mary Harvey in Virginia where we are so dry - about 30 behind in the last 2 years
Re: Bleached Hair
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, friends here had this happen on all three of their fjords a couple of summers ago, when they were doing a lot of riding with english saddles, thin pads. Perfect roan shadows of the panels of the saddles. No soreness. And it shed out. I was going to ask about it on the list but never did. We thought maybe it was heat, it was pretty warm that summer, ec. But I really have no clue why it is happening. Interesting. I have never seen it on my fjords, but I use a synfelt pad under an Orthoflex saddle, and the synfelt wicks away moisture and keeps the back pretty cool. Of course, two of my fjords are already white so it wouldn't be noticed anyway! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, 61 degrees and cloudy I have a question for everyone out there in Fjord land. Has anyone ever experienced their Fjords hair bleaching out in places like under the saddle pad or harness saddle? Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bleached Hair
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Amy, I seem to remember someone talking about that a year or so back on the list. I just cannot remember who or what the result was! Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords Shetlands White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Re: Wolf Teeth, Fall Coats and
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Cheryl, I was just trying to remember how many of our Fjords have not had wolf teeth, for in our experience, more do than do not. With some thought, I know that most of the geldings yearling age or older had them, but with the fillies it was not as high a percentage. I would have to go through all the records to make an accurate count of that, however. We always have wolf teeth pulled as soon as they are discovered. Take care, Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords Shetlands White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/ Standing J. J.'s Painted Bo-Jo ASPC #141052A 1998 1999 Classic Shetland Performance Pony of the Year
Re: Wolf Teeth, Fall Coats and
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/4/02 8:30:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So I'm wondering what the general experience has been among the several hundred fjord owners/breeders on the List? Do you check, and how often have you found your horses to have them. And do you have them removed. Hi Cheryl- My Rafael had wolf teeth when I got him. I had them removed at the vet's recommendation. Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA A HREF=http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html;Our /A A HREF=http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html;Fjords/A A HREF=http://www.ourfjords.freeservers.com/fw/Fjordings_Wesx.html; Fjordings West/A / )__~ /L /L
Re: Re:serious question for list
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Bleached Hair
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a question for everyone out there in Fjord land. Has anyone ever experienced their Fjords hair bleaching out in places like under the saddle pad or harness saddle? A friend of mine experienced this with her Fjord a year or so ago - her gelding's back bleached out in a perfect shadow of the shape of her English saddle. I thought maybe it was something the saddle pad was made of. He was NEVER sore, etc. Then when he shed out it went back to normal color. Now, after using our new Smuckers harness on our mares a few times we now have perfect little roan patches where the harness saddle goes. The first time we used the harness was two very hot days in a row at a performance drive; and there was no problem. Then we did a pleasure drive of about 9 or 10 miles, and several weeks later noticed these bleached patches. This is NOT like a saddle gall injury where it is sore puffy then goes totally white and stays that way (there is absolutely NO sign of pain or discomfort or any abnormality), the hair just went kind of roany looking. I just wonder if it's something common to Fjords or something peculiar to the area here in central Oregon. I wonder that it may be something in the leather of the harness saddle itself. but what about my friend's cool back type English saddle pad that did the same thing? Any insights would be appreciated! Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Clover and salivary glands
This message is from: MeadowLark Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't written before, but I have an interesting story about clover and salivary glands. We bought a Fjord mare with large swellings on each side of her throatlatch. Our vet thought it was a thyroid problem but a blood test turned up no problems in her thyroid. A needle biopsy confirmed it was enlarged salivary glands-but why? No one had any answers.Then we took her to Galena to the evaluation. In the ring, Wayne Hipsley told Mike it was due to having clover in her pasture. (We were told the evaluation would be educational!) We have little to no clover in our pastures, but did recall the place we got her from had tons of it. What kind it was I couldn't tell you.(Hopefully not the type that causes liver damage.) Although her glands aren't getting any larger, apparently it's not a reversible process. Cosmetically, it makes her throatlatch look huge-so it's a problem from a show standpoint.She had not had any training when we got her but we've since had her with a trainer this summer and she is ground driving. The throatlatch on the bridle rubs right on them. I wonder if it is uncomfortable for her to flex at the poll? Also the vet was concerned that if the glands were to get larger it could compromise her airway, in which case she would need surgery.She's a real sweetheart and we don't want to lose her. So needless to say now that we know what caused the problem we are watching out for clover in our pastures. Helen Schadler-Hilja's Mom
Wolf Teeth, Fall Coats and
This message is from: Cheryl Beillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all .. I have a question for everyone regarding the prevalence of wolf teeth in the fjord population. I have just had the vet check two horses (2 and 3 yr old mares) and both have small wolf teeth erupting which I will have pulled before they are started this fall in their driving program. This is the 3rd fjord (of 7) which have had these teeth and my vet seems to think that this is a high percentage? So I'm wondering what the general experience has been among the several hundred fjord owners/breeders on the List? Do you check, and how often have you found your horses to have them. And do you have them removed. Neither of the two trainers I use will accept a horse with wolf teeth .. re the fall coats .. of my 6, one 2 yr old and this year's foal, have both started to get their winter coats .. the others remain smooth and glossy. It would be interesting to know if they follow the same pattern, ie early or late, in shedding or growing coats, from year to year. One other minor brag, for the breed as a whole, .. the same foal -- which Barb Jones and I have agreed to name Julie's Yggdrasil (Flotren x Bragda) - 4 mths, had to undergo vaccinations and a Coggins test this morning, for which he stood quite calmy (albeit with a bucket o of grain under his nose and someone rubbing his back) .. and the vet said she didn't believe that any other breed could be so easy to work with and so calm in response to this type of stress .. most of the babies she sees fly all over the stall at the first jab .. this boy has all of Bragda's spirit and then some, but clearly an equally strong does of common sense and trust in us .. we were so proud of him and I know that if Julie were up to reading the List, she'd be proud of him too. Watch out world, this is going to be one nice horse when he grows up!
