Re: restrictions on fjordhorse-digest
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/13/2003 1:49:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Note also that if the topic of rescues is taboo for the Fjord list, new people who join the list will not hear of it. But I trust that Steve expects to have new list members; how does he intend that they get educated on the topic, if the list forbids reminders? In my memory, NEVER has Steve said any topic was Taboo or Forbidden to the list. He does at times put an end to Worn out topics, or topics that may be causing too heated an argument. I believe [and I'm thinking that this is Steve's intent] that this type of occasional policing of the list is, in the long run, what is best for the list. If arguments get too heated, the list looses people. Loss of our list neighbors is BAD for the list. This list was created by Steve as a forum for Fjord loving people (and not necessarily just Fjord owners). A place where we can share ideas, stories, advise, happiness and pain with a group of people that share a common interest with us. Before anyone says But!, yes, the rescue of Fjords is pertinent to this group (at least those of the group that have an interest in it). However, when a certain topic like the rescues develops into an ongoing advertisement (and yes, solicitation) for equine rescue it can start making people feel uncomfortable or even pressured to either join the crowd and donate or go to the extreme of leaving the list. Same with the crossbreeding issue - some people were starting to feel like they were being picked on or persecuted for either thinking crossbreeding is okay, or not okay. So in what I personally feel was in the best interest of the group as a whole, Steve exercised his right as owner/moderator of the list and called a halt to these topics. But I'm sure that somewhere, sometime in the future they will crop up again and Steve will let them go until such time he feels they again become a detriment to the list as a whole. I'm also sure that Steve will never kick any new person off the list for mentioning a subject that he has had to call a halt to. And finally. Well done Steve! For creating and maintaining this list for us all. Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
starting a load--Joel!
This message is from: Janet McNally [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joel Harmon wrote: They need to learn to ease into the load, not lunge jerk into the collars Hi Joel, Maybe I am making a mistake? I am using my Fjord mare to pull 700 lb bales of hay into the cow yard. She has learned to leave a bit of slack in the traces, then walk quickly into the collar thus jerking the load to get it going. Is this going to be a mistake? or is it just necessary for the kind of work she is doing? She is not lunging, just walking three quick steps and putting some thrust into the collar. Janet
Re: Long Haul Tips
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll add this: I heard recently that a horse was tied in a trailer with a bungee cord tie. In a freak accident, the horse pulled back on the tie, the bungee cord (or the snap) broke, and the snap flew into the horse's eye, blinding her. Wow. DeeAnna
Re: restrictions on fjordhorse-digest
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Amazing Barbara! I didn't realize you were living inside my head! You used words that I have typed and deleted several times. Deleted because I am now gunshy about posting here at all after being shot down so hard as shrill or it's January for defending this fabulous breed against those who want to crossbreed. I may just go back to lurking again, or try to find a list that WILL address serious issues. It's sad because there are a lot of posters here that I really like, whether I agree with them 100% of the time or not! Pamela A HREF=http://hometown.aol.com/northhorse/index.html;Northern Holiday Horses/A
Re: A long story My view of what this list server is all about.
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dolph, I Loved it! What a great ..what..allegory? Yes, I will stay in this town also, and I think we should award the Sheriff his star! Jean iin Fairbanks, Alaska, 2' fresh snow and 15F degrees. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: restrictions on fjordhorse-digest
This message is from: Kathleen Spiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually the list is like a kitchen table disucssion and I for one have enjoyed it - there is a lot of substance to it and it makes for lively reading - However, when you do get controversial subjects, as with an argument around the table, tempers flare and people think that by shouting louder they can change other peoples minds- it doesn't happen. . At the kitchen table though we can smile at each other and agree to disagree and move on - with the list it is a little harder to do that. I was once in the uncomfortable situation of having to formally mediate between two very vocal and outrageously indignant professors, just as on the list the tone got more and more personal. Neither was going to change the others mind and the things we had convened to discuss were being left by the wayside and sooner or later something irretractable would have been said. I ended the disussion by simply stating Will you both agree that you disagree- neither of you will change the other's mind and thats OK and now lets get on with other things. It worked and that is exactly what Steve has done. That takes guts to do and it has to be done by an outside person ( one not involved in the discussion). Since people are freer with what they say on line than face to face you run the chance when you do that of having the prior combatants team up and turn on you. So - hats off to Steve. There has to be a benign mediator and a rule maker to occasionally smile and say lets move on. Kathy in SE Idaho where I am going to leave work and go ride my fjord.
RFD TV--Horse TV
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the Dish Network we get RFD on 9409. They some times refer to themselves as Horse TV---but I think that refers to their 2 hours of Horse TV per day. There is also a program called Lucy's Cajin Cooking---she is a hoot! Barb
restrictions on fjordhorse-digest
This message is from: Barbara Sollner-webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] This messages is in response to what appears to be an effort to beautify the fjordlist, to avoid topics that are unpleasant or generate strong views. As someone wrote, many are very saddened that [Lynda [EMAIL PROTECTED] is] not allowed to continue with the info of rescuing fjords... this is as important as discussions on breed, food etc. Personally, I found the multi- saga, following the three fjords across Canada and then their brighter future prospects, the most interesting thread I have read on this fjord list in 1 1/2 years! It is true that information about rescue efforts generates unpleasant thoughts. I suspect that this is especially bothersome to people who want a fjord garden party-type chat list, one intended to banter on about basically trivial topics, such as reaffirming for the millionth time that some people like to shoe and some not, some like to drive and some do not, some clip and some do not, etc. I thought there was more substance to the list, that many people read it for substance, not only to feel-good. As someone wrote, I would rather stay based in reality than fluff, [even if] some of it is hard. There was much recent discussion on the rescue topic. But that is because people care! I think it is unrealistic (and, yes, Scrooge-like) to suggest that people should instead regularly check the UEF rescue website or sign up for yet another yahoo list to hear of this topic. It is analogous to newspapers reporting on AIDS, or aging, or Afghanistan, or traffic; there simply are topics one wants to know about but does not feel warm and fuzzy about. Just as one would not subscribe to a separate newspaper specifically on AIDS, or aging, or Afghanistan, but wants ones main newspaper to keep you updated, so it is with the rescue issue and the fjord list. However, it certainly is reasonable to not have this one topic overshadow all others on a list. Therefore, people wrote: It is my opinion that Lynda Bailey should be able to post rescue information on this list. Perhaps limiting it to a once a week update would make everyone happy? I do not have time to look at other websites or lists, though I do have a lot of interest in this subject. I have found the last month to be very eye opening and informative. Another wrote I think we should have this info available here. Perhaps limit [it] to so many lines or times but just so that we would know when we needed to help the fjords. It was not until Steve advertised for people to write in an complain about the rescue discussion that anyone wrote a complaint to the list, although many people had written in that they wanted to keep getting rescue updates. Note also that if the topic of rescues is taboo for the Fjord list, new people who join the list will not hear of it. But I trust that Steve expects to have new list members; how does he intend that they get educated on the topic, if the list forbids reminders? It seems odd to say he feels United Equine Foundation...is very admirable...in attempting to save horses from possible slaughter but not to provide some regular reminder about rescue efforts for ongoing and especially for new list members. Steve feels that the rescue topic has been straying toward soliciting and advertising for a specific cause, so there seems an easy solution! Lets let -- no, lets encourage and beg -- Lynda to keep the list updated on Fjords being rescued and their outcomes, but that she not ask for donations (which I don't believe she did in the recent thread). She would just provide her message and signature, like most members do, so that readers would know who to contact for more information, but she would not solicit members or money for UEF. In fact, since Steve has the rule of allowing *one-time* advertisements offering horses or goods for sale, it seems that Lynda should announce (advertise} each rescued fjord! yours, Barbara
A long story My view of what this list server is all about.
This message is from: Dolph Courchaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't think we are the 'virtual kitchen table' anymore. Nor should we be. I liken this list server to a late 18th century town public square. There is a big bulletin board smack dab in the center it. The original 'town creator' wanted a place for all lovers of Norwegian Fjord Horses to feel safe and commiserate on similar issues related to their 'beloved'. The town creator also happens to be the current sheriff. He is the one that originally put up the bulletin board and monitors what gets posted on it. All town residents get to ride in on their horse without anyone seeing (except the sheriff) and present a message for the sheriff to post. I assume he is very busy and lets most messages get posted automatically without any censuring. This is a good thing. In addition there is the public library, just across the street. It contains every message ever posted. Every message can easily be retrieved and re-read. Just go to the building marked, http://www.eScribe.com/pets/fjordhorse/ and say your name is fjordhorse and the password is fjords_rule. The board is big and broad and town folks are welcome to post almost anything related to their beloved. Everyone in the town gets to read their own personal copy of each message and is required to at least look at the 'title' or subject line of each post. They can then determine if they are interested in continuing to read our not. They can also copy it, quote it, save it for a rainy day, etc etc. I believe the town has now grown to somewhere between 500 and 1000 individuals. Its make-up is diverse and broad. IMHO, that is another good thing. Oh yea, and, the townspeople have a special shorthand language to use if desired. IMHO stands for 'in my humble opinion'. Occasionally sensitive subjects get brought up and they create quite a big hullabaloo. Sometimes someone tries to support another poster with his/her own message and attempts to show both sides of the issue for all to see. This usually doesn't work because that person then just gets dragged into the melee and accused of being a 'traitor' to one side or the other. Things usually end with one or two people posting messages back and forth attacking one another personally and questioning their credentials. One can usually identify these types of messages by the number of times they see the word 'you' in them and the number of rhetorical questions specifically aimed at a person. And finally, the sheriff has to call a halt to the whole thing. Then... 'the hypothetical' 'rest of the story' CAUTION maybe offensive to some, but it does end happily. A man from another country sits at his dinner table eating some flank of horse. He is a very scientific man. He practices a lot of cross breeding of his pigs, cows, and chickens to get good tasting meat. He practices a lot of cross-polinization in his crops to get high yielding, good tasting; corn, pumpkin, squash, etc. His flank of horse is the best tasting horse he has ever had, after finishing off his test mixture of chocolate and strawberry ice-cream for desert; he embarks on finding out where this horse meat comes from. He desires to bring some home to raise his own horse meat, sell it to his like minded neighbors, and become rich. He finds out it came from North America. It was butchered in Ontario, came from some fat farm in Alberta, and brought to Canada from some auction in the United States. It was identified as either pure or part Norwegian Fjord. He then finds out that there is this 'town' dedicated to lovers of the Norwegian Fjord Horse. He joins the town and decides to stay a little while. He quickly realizes that the townspeople are strong advocates of their beloved. He even wonders if some people are so strong in their love that they might be proposing laws to determine who can and can not participate in the town, let alone own a fjord. At the very least, he sees some people speak of being able to judge who can or can not own a fjord or part-fjord. He is a smart man, so he decides to do a little research. He goes to the library and reads all the public comments posted at the square. He quickly finds out which people to stay clear of and which people to potentially visit for his little mission. He eventually finds someone more than willing to sell him a fjord. He got close to actually adopting one from something called a rescue. But that organization was quick to realize what this man was up to. He gets his fjord and begins the long journey home. On the journey home the fjord wins his heart! Upon getting home the man can't believe how much he loves this fjord. He tells his wife and children that they will never eat horse meat again. The wife and children also fall in love with this fjord. The horse happily does all the farm plowing, children's trail riding, and wagon pulling to take the crops to market. The man runs for public office, to
Trailoring your horse
This message is from: Helena Klement [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Listers: I would like to give some advice when trailoring horses; You should tie the horse up not too short and not long enough that they can get their leg over the shank. The reason for tying up is that if for any reason you need to swerve on the road due to an other driver or game etc. the horse wont loose balance as quickly if it can lean on the shank, this animal is top heavy and if for any reason it looses it's balance and is thrown off balance back and forth this an get a driver in serious trouble trying to keep the vehicle on the road! If possible tie the horseon an angle facing backwards, wich they would do on their own if they were loose. Feeding: do not feed a lot when you go on a trip, the parastollises stops when they are stressed and then they may collic,feed just one flake before you leave and make sure they get a good drink,sometime they wont drink on a trip , the hay will help them from dehydrating, and when you stop every 3 hours you should leave some water in front of them if they wont drink while you are there, I use a snap on my pail and have a ring that is high enough on the trailor wall for them to reach and not spill the water. What I do for my stock when I need to give them water from other places especially town water that has chlorine in it ' I put apple cider vinigar in my water tanks , start with just a little at first amd than gradually add more to the water. This is also good for all your animals and for us humans.When you stop overnight you may untie the horse or if more than one if they get along well? I know they usually do get along when they are in a strange environment, You then may give them each one small flake of hay while you stop overnight. When you get to your destination and the horse is sweaty due to stress do not feed it for an hour or two , give it a little water if it want's' to drink.You can give it the usual feeding when it has rested. When a horse is tired or stressed the parastollises stops this means the food is not moving forward and this causes compaction. This you must remember when you are out on the trail rides and after the trail rides also wait for them to calm down or rested then feed, but do give them water all they want to drink. Never give a very hot horse free choice water , give it 3 swallows and walk it 5 min, then again 3 swallows until the horse is cooled, if you do give a hot horse water the horse may founder!When you haul horses you must drive accordingly, you must never stop suddenly, take fast turns , you must gear down when you stop this will give reaction time to the horse to prepare for a stop and always leave some room so that you dont stop completely all at once this is much easier on your horse when he travels.They will learn to read the signals . I also know that you cant always predict on what others drivers do : so be aware!If you get in trouble on the road and can't pull off the road,leave the horses on the trailor, it's safer, but if it's too hot out:; you must take them out and find a safe place to tie them not on the trailor !. If you can pull into someonce field you could tie them on the outside of the trailor while you do the repairs. Never travel with horses during hot days unless your trailor is airconditioned or well ventilated, a horse trailor is like an oven and if you stop for a coffee you could cause the horse to dehydrate very quikly, I see this so much in the summer around here and the owners are just unaware of how dangerous and cruel this is ! If you need to travel during hot days drive at night , it is much safer and more comfortabe for the horse. If you ever get into a wreck or see a wreck with horses do not try to get inside a trailor that has tipped over and the horses are on thier sides or their backs you cant do this safely , if you can reach them from the front cover their eyes with a jacket or towel then you can pull them out from the back by tying a rope to their tail A sqaure knot and if there is a vehicle with a winch have them pull them out backward's by the tail , this can be done safely if you make sure you do it very smoothly no jerking! Talk calmly to the horse to reasure it and dont do any yelling around the sciene because they will pick up this energy!When the horse is out of the trailor you then take of the blind fold and let it get it's bearing first before taking it to a safe place.Always take a first aid kit for the horses.I hope that this info will help to make it safe for your trips with your Equine friend's. Happy Fjording get 2 months FREE*
Trail horses
This message is from: SAFreivald [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just have to jump in with my two cents on the intelligence, stamina and conditioning required for serious trail riding. When we had the opportunity to ride the western highlands of Scotland -= 200 miles in 6 days-- the terrain was at times ferocious. From bogs to treacherous side hills, ravines, and mountain passes, to incredible gallops down forest roads, it was awesome. The horses were a variety, from Gypsy Vanners to highland ponies -- my mount was a 16 hand crossbred of some kind -- bay, 17 years old, and tough as rawhide. They took us safely over all this terrain. It required some conditioning on the riders' part to stay with them, I must say--but nothing compared to the conditioning, good sense, intelligence, sure-footedness, you-name-it of these trail horses. True all around atheletes and good companions. Sue from upstate NY now a Virginia resident!
Re: HOrse TV
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/12/2003 10:07:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We have Direct TV now. We can get ATT Broadband Cable. And we can get Dish Network. I've seen NOTHING about horse TV on either ATT Broadband or Direct TV, but it may be there. I have Direct TV too, the channel is actually RFD (not RFT) and it is on channel 379. I believe you have to have the newer two direction dish to get it, but it is there. (Direct TV will upgrade your dish at no charge if you ask them - unless you own your dish outright) Horse TV does have some pretty interesting shows! Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A New Years Surprise!
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cangrats Karen, Rosie and Sven! What a great story to wake up to..Nice way to start the day. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, with a balmy +10 and snow falling this morning! Great weather for January in Fairbanks! Just had to tell ya'll on the List about a litle surprise I discovered last nite at about 11pm. My good old broodmare Jorunn, (aka Rosie) foaled at about 10pm. Read on... Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Support of Steve
This message is from: Pasqual, Patricia A [EMAIL PROTECTED] I for one thank Steve for getting this topic off the list - it is Fjord-related, but the primary thrust is not to discuss the breed or training, etc., but the rescue and solicitation of funds. It has been a very interesting topic, but in the future it is going to become the same story with a few different details. I am ambivalent on the rescue efforts - because it seems to me that these PMU and feedlot folks are charging robbery prices, and they seem to be getting them when rescue is involved. The economics seem to indicate that the rescues are going to stimulate the desire to own Fjords by these types of businesses. Also, spending $2,000+ on a rescue Fjord has to further depress the market for well-bred, handled and trained Fjords. I paid a similar price to what the PMU/feedlots are getting for my dear boy (well-bred and handled) and I don't think I overpaid. I have not contributed to the rescue because although I love animals dearly when I donate money I usually choose very global/scary-for-the- future issues, such as the environment, or more personal, human-related issues, such as Habitat for Humanity. Just my opinions. Tish and Elphineas in Minneapolis
Introduction
This message is from: Daniel/Deborah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, My name is Deborah Piercefield. I have recently become very interested in Fjords. I have been in horses almost all my life. I have admired the Fjord for a long time, and don't know why it has taken me so long in pursuit of one of these wonderful equines. I am mostly just a pleasure rider, trails, parks, and would like to do some parades. I like to use English gear, but can go western every now and then:o) I do have a little interest in dressage, which probably stems from my saddlebred years, the 1970's! Oops, yes I am older now and prefer a calmer, steadier horse! I do own a Friesian mare who is the dearest thing. I ride her, but I do breed her, so she is out on foal duty some. I have a miniature horse gelding who keeps her company. I would love to find a Fjord, prefer well-trained to ride and drive, but could be green. Prefer a taller one, at least 14.2 hands. Feel free to e-mail me privately if you have something for sale. I'm not interested in breeding, so geldings would be great. Me and my husband plan on trail riding this spring and summer! I also want to say the Fjord people I have contacted have been the nicest, most helpful group of people! Regards, Deborah Piercefield Williamstown, Kentucky
Re: A New Years Surprise!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Congrats, Karen.what a delightful story:) Linda in MN
Re: A New Years Surprise!
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 06:33 AM 1/13/2003 +, you wrote: This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] I didn't even know she was pregnant until early this Nov (just had enuf time to franticlly fax Mike a breeding report for her!), Which brings up a good place for a reminder for all of the stallion owners out there. The Stallion Breeding Report is to be filed every year before 12/31 of the year or 11/15 if you want to be in the Heralds Stallion Listing. The important point I wanted to make was that when filling out your Report you should put every mare on it that was exposed to the stallion. It is a breeding report not a Pregnant Mare Report. The mare doesn't have to be confirmed pregnant to put it on the report. If she was exposed to the stallion put it on there. You would be surprised at how many mares have babies in the spring much to the shock of their owners. They always tell me that the Vet said she didn't take! So be safe maybe even save yourself a few dollars for a late report and put all of the mares bred on your next stallion breeding report. **Just wondering Mike, is this the first NFHR Fjord foal of 2003? Well I'am not positive but he is the first one I have heard of anyway. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: Minnesota Horse Expo...website url?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for posting about the MN Horse Expo -- could you post the website url for the expo please? Am very interested! Sher
Re: Support for Steve's Decision
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, I'm Lisa the owner of Pets and Vets. I've had the pleasure of seeing many of you join us in the Fjord chat room on Sunday nights. If I can be of help with this issue i'd be more then happy to do so. I do have messaage boards and under the main topic of Horses there is a board dedicated strictly to FJORDs so if it will be of any help by using that area for these various posts you are all more then welcome to do so. Let me know if I can do anything else for all of you Lisa A HREF=http://www.petsandvets.com/forums;http://www.petsandvets.com/forums/A
A New Years Surprise!
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just had to tell ya'll on the List about a litle surprise I discovered last nite at about 11pm. My good old broodmare Jorunn, (aka Rosie) foaled at about 10pm. Read on... I didn't even know she was pregnant until early this Nov (just had enuf time to franticlly fax Mike a breeding report for her!), as she just kept getting fatter + fatter until I said thats it, I'm having her checked... The vet said to expect our little surprise from late Jan thru early Feb. Well, guess the vet was a bit off, but hey, things are groovy in babyland, so who cares! I almost had given up on Rosie producing any more foals, as she has produced such a nice group of progeny. When she drew a blank 2 years running, I kinda said, OK, BE a lawn ornament then! Well Sven certainly thought she was QUITE the obliging lawn ornament, I am sure :~)) Sven and Rosie have been married since 1990. They are inseparable. The foal is a nice sized colt! Yippee, after like 5 fillies in a row, it was time! Rosie gave me NO real warning, no waxing, a little bagging up, and then POP! When I went out to do my obligatory pre-bedtime check on her, Sven was standing at the gate, which was unusual, as Rosie always seems to occupy that favored corral position. I thought to myself, this is odd. Odder still is that Sven didn't do his usual annoying clanging on the pipe fence when he sees me within 100' of their barn.Hmmm, somthin's up, and when I peeked into Rosies stall, she stood stock still, didn't give me the I'm starving, feed-me-my-late-night-snack nicker, she just looked at me with her huge serene eyes, and then I saw a little ghost drift behind her, and then I KNEW! A BABY!!NOW OMG, the stall wasn't bedded deep enuf, my flashlite didn't work, and I kept thinking, I am such a bad mom, not having stuff all ready. I had to make myself breathe as I felt like I was going to start hyperventilating. Well Ms Rosie had her afterbirth all neatly piled in the corner, and the baby from the looks of it had allready nursed both teats and was quite content except for the shivering which I remedied with warm towels out of the drier. I dunked his umbilical in straight Betadine, added 2 bags of shavings to the stall along w/ feed fresh warm water called it a nite. I awoke at 5:30 am, instantly remembered Oh YEAH! there was A BABY OUT THERE, and jumped into some sweats I had left beside the bed hustled out to check on them. Of course they were fine, Rosie had consumed the 5 gal.of water I had left her, and of course all her grass hay. Lots of nice mare piles as well as some foal poop, so off to bed I went, happy, happy, happy! When I woke again at 8:15, I made 3 phone calls: to my best friend Robin, informing her that she was once again a horse godmother, and would she bring 3 bags of shavings out w/ her; my sister my nephew in California; and my mother who had just visited over Christmas from her island home in British Columbia. At 10am I checked my email, and there was one from my Mom informing me that she had consulted w/ her Danish friend, and that the colts name was to be 'Januar' (pronounced Jan-ewe-are), and that was it, SHE had spoken SHE was naming him. OK, Mom, you got your wish! Mercifully, the weather has been unseasonably warm, and last nite, the PM temp was actually warmer then the daytime temp.I feared rain, but today was idyllic, very few clouds, almost zero wind, and SUN! The little guy is really filling out fluffing up, and is not as shy as some of his sisters had been at this age. He really enjoys trotting around his mum in the corral, tossing his head, movin' those big hocks! **Just wondering Mike, is this the first NFHR Fjord foal of 2003? Nite all, Kmac Karen McCarthy, N. Nevada MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*.
Support for Steve's Decision
This message is from: Cheryl Beillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is another vote of support for Steve in stepping in to direct the flood of mail on rescues to a site dedicated to that topic. One of the things I appreciate about the discussion on the Fjord List is the scope of discussion. It gives newcomers great exposure to so many issues .. breeding. foaling, feeding, handling, training, equipment, etc. I'm one of those who hadn't complained but had had enough, Steve, and I appreciate that you are exercising your rights in hosting the List to request that further discussion be taken off line. I appreciate the effort and dedication of those working to save animals that would are destined for slaughter .. but I also think that giving out the address for a focused site where those who are interested, can go and glean all the details is a much better idea than loading up this List. And I can see how for people receiving individual messages, instead of the digest format, it would seem excessive. There was a similar debate on the Carriage Driving List, when long descriptive/lyrical posts about hitching up and going down the road, etc. with less hard information became the norm. A second list for recreational posts/drivers was created. Not a big deal. Choice is created. And both groups are happy. Cheryl Beillard Wake-Robin Farm Fjords www.wakerobinfarm.ca
Re: Grown out Fjord mane
This message is from: Reena G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wow there are quite a few for sale on that site.anyone familar with any of them? Reena ___ This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Someone asked recently about letting Fjord manes grow out. I was cruising the internet at dreamhorse.com and found a photo of a Fjord stallion with his mane all grown out. Just thought I'd lighten things up. :^) www.dreamhorse.com search under FJORD. He's the second photo. Cheers! Karen Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
Grown out Fjord mane
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Someone asked recently about letting Fjord manes grow out. I was cruising the internet at dreamhorse.com and found a photo of a Fjord stallion with his mane all grown out. Just thought I'd lighten things up. :^) www.dreamhorse.com search under FJORD. He's the second photo. Cheers! Karen Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
HOrse TV
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is a tv channel that we get on Dish Network(satalite) called RFT-TV. They have shown some quarter horse show events and some Paso Fino shows. For all of you out there in digital TV landCan you help me figure out which TV service is the best for Horsey TV? We have Direct TV now. We can get ATT Broadband Cable. And we can get Dish Network. I've seen NOTHING about horse TV on either ATT Broadband or Direct TV, but it may be there. We are about to move back into our home after more than a year in a rental house while we remodel (we made the horses stay home to watch the place). So...we need to choose what cable/satellite service to buy. We really do make TV decisions based on horsey/ranch type stuff. We used to have a Sunday night family tradition of watching PMBR bull riding. When we moved it did not come on at the same time. Destroyed our entire family life! And Beth Beymer has said that the Dish Network RFT_TV has some great horse videos...that has me almost convinced to switch from Direct TV to Dish Network. The only other consideration is whether we can get ABCas my son-in-law made a presentation to ABC last month that may result in his getting to direct/produce...or some position like thatan ABC series...in which case we HAVE to watch that. (Brag, brag.) In a less horsey vein...if anyone has opinions on the usefulness of Dish Networks satellite internet access serviceI would love to hear about that...OFF LIST. I gather Direct TV canned the DirectWay Satellite Internet accessand I heard that the Dish Network offering (Starband) was in bankruptcy...so not sure any of them are worthwile. Gail Russell Forestville CA
