Re: Testing
This message is from: jgayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] I let grumpy Gunnar's mane grow in the winter and it gets quite heavy. I wonder about causing trouble with the crest. He does not seem to mind and I think it gives him more weather protection but he does not notice. Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA Author:The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946-49 $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
temperament
This message is from: Tamara Rousso [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like to thank all of those who replied to my post inquiring about the temperament of the Fjord and comparing them to ponies. I feel reassured and believe I would do just fine with a Fjord. Tamara So Cal = ***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^*** If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. Rene Descart
RE: question about temperament
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] ou will be sold the moment you lay your eyes on them and feel their sweetness. It is like an aura, you have to experience for yourself. I have my Fjord gelding Gunthar boarded out (getting the spa treatment...green grass, barn, hugs before bedtime...the works) across the road. The slightly curmudgeonly husband of the barn owner gets in the stall and cuddles up next to Gunthar, talks to him, feeds him treats. I do not think there is anyone who has met him that does not like him. While he is the sweetest of my Fjordsthey all share similar characteristics. Gail Russell Forestville CA
Please, please, puleeeese! List etiquiette?
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't get me wrong, I am all for List discussion and all forms of repartee: the good, bad ugly; it's a FREE country! But, I said it recently at the end of another post, and I will say it again, (and I do apologise in advance to those List geniuses out there; you oldtimers know who you are), but please people, can we maybe try to reply to the essential content of a post someone made, rather than just clickin' on reply, no matter what the length of the message? Not to pick on you or anything, but Julie Casanova, you are an example of what I am talking about, specifically in your reply today to Carole's post. In no way am I objecting to what either of you had to say. You responded to the part of Carole's post where she called for support from this List when she contacts the BOD re. spending NFHR promo $$ . Great! ...But, could you have not highlighted that snippet, and cut pasted it to you reply, instead of the whole dang thing? Since we read her post, (or should have!) we will not be lost in the woods - we know what you are referring to. If I had only 3 emails a day in my inbox I would not be posting this; but you and I and the List as a whole are deluged w/ mass quantities of the stuff, and if we can streamline it, it will only serve to cut to the chase, and enjoy being part of spending precious time with this community. Like I said before, if you (or anyone else) needs a lesson in cutting pasting to a reply, just rsvp, and I will walk you thru the whole procedure. 'Nuf said! Have a good night. KMac Karen McCarthyGreat Basin Fjords :: Carson City, Nevadahttp://www.picturetrail.com/weegees Send a QuickGreet with MSN Messenger.
Fjord Type Misinterpetation
This message is from: Ursula Brian Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear List from Brian Jensen; I rather thought that this analogy of the highway may be taken in a different way. What it is to give a visual picture of---is that all of the highway is fine--just going off into the ditches on either side can cause problems or change the breed. This analogy has been used by Bob Von Bonn; Chief Fjord Inspector of Holland many times over the past years, and I thought it would provide a helpful prospective to those discussing breed type. In regards to Carol Rivores comments on advertising which I believe is helpfulI find that Fjord owners and breeders getting out there and competing in Open Shows against all the other breeds speaks more loudly than just advertising. It is one thing to talk about doing it---but it is real proof in the pudding to read and see Fjord owners and breeders out there really making it happen. Just picture other breed owners standing around watching the Fjords outdrive their stock. The last Fjord Herald is a case in point for the wonderful work some of our members are doing in the Driving sector. After many years of hard work and talking Fjord owners and breeders are really starting to come on the Driving scene in a big way. My most sincere congratulations and kudos to those of you who have worked so hard in the Open Shows to demonstrate what the breed can do. A special thankyou to Vivian Creigh and Pat Wolfe for their leadership in Driving and promoting the Fjord Horse. Ursula Brian Jensen Trinity Fjords Box 1032 Lumby BC, V0E 2G0 Canada 250-547-6303 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://okjunc.junction.net/~ujensen/
Clipped Fjord
This message is from: Jessica Fry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, as I just clipped my Fjord Harry for winter (full clip), I was wondering if any of you also clip their Fjord(s). Especially those of you who live in warmer areas. And if you do, what type of clip and why? The reason I started clipping for winter was that Harry grew a coat that could keep him warm in a solid Minnesota winter! Unfortunately, our climate is a little more moderate and poor Harry had a very hard time keeping himself cool. It wasn't unusual to find him spontaneously sweating in the paddock whenever temperatures rose to 40F, which they often do for extended periods of time during Holland winters. Apart from the fact that he couldn't do any work whatsoever, he even caught frequent colds. I chose to do a full clip, well, just because it looks better, especially in the dressage ring. Jessica p.s. For those of you interested: pictures of Harry on www.bokt.nl - go to - Forum - go to - [ITP] In The Picture - go to topic - Harry de Fjord... Wat vinden jullie? (Note: topic may have moved down the list, see page (=pagina) and search pages.)
temperament
This message is from: Kathleen Spiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a mule, a thoroughbred, aTB/QH cross and a Fjord. I am enjoying the heck out of driving and riding the fjord and driving the mule. If I had it to do over I would stick with the mule and the Fjord, but it is not because they are easier.They are different and more demanding than the more traditional horses because they both force you to respect their exceptional strength and their personality. In reading the list, everyone sings the virtues of the Fjord as being very easy. I would suspect that they are very easy to train improperly and that much of the reputation for being ponyish or mulish is because their temperament is so forgiving and calm, as owners we are willing to forgive a lot of indiscretions and maybe do not get them to their full potential. For example, I have my mule driving but a professional trainer with mule experience could not get her to round pen. He told me to work with her until I found the key to moving her forward on command and then build on that, that to insist on her acting like a QH would not work. Advice I follow on the Fjord. For a trainer who depends on the roundpen method as the foundation for a training program ( most of the western trainers around here) she is stubborn. To me she is a sweetheart and as long as I respect her, I will eventually get her to learn what I need for her to learn.The fjord and the mule take everything in stride but when the mood strikes, they will push to the limit, including ground manners. When you let them know they have overstepped, the immediate contrition is funny to watch adn they are suddenly as pure as the driven snow. A driving trainer at a CDE clinic this weekend was working with me and my fjord and four other horses and drivers. We were working on collection and getting the horses to work on the bit.He was pleasantly surprised by my Fjord and complimented her on her way of going, walk, trot, willingness to go and was absolutely sure she was unusual for a fjord. He thought she was 15 hands tall. ( she is barely 14hh) and confided that he had trained two and was training a third fjord. He said his experience was that they were ponyish with ponyish gaits and the third one was either stubborn or too smart. Obviously some people do have this opinion and it is based on experience. However, as I watched him work with the five horses, he was somewhat frustrated that he could alter the behavior of the other four horses so fast, but it took him a longer time to figure out the fjord. He was asking her to break at the poll and work on the bit, a position that for this horse was very unatural - even in the pasture, she runs like her head is a snorkle- neck straight up and head parallel to the ground. Once he figured out her cue, she immediately looked beautiful and he said she could easily do an 8 or 9 on the dressage test, but it really hurt his pride I think because he could not use the same tactics on the Fjord as the hotter horses. He apologized for not being able to do a quick fix, as if that were expected. I certainly did not, I was looking for some help in figuring out what we should be doing and was happy with the session. I know that this is something that we will work on slow and steady for the next couple of months. Long story short, maybe some of the reputation is from experience and maybe as owners and trainers we are partially responsible for that reputation by not respecting the differences between these horses and the more common ones and giving people the impression that all you have to do is treat them nice and they will be instantly trained. Just a thought
global horse transport
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We, as an equine veterinary practice (my husband's), we have worked with people that send horses to Europe. One of the places that coordinated everything was Jet Petsas already mentioned. What was so nice about this company, was that they are right on top of everything, and dealt with all the paperwork, etc, that we usually do here at our office. That was REALLY nice for our office staff (and me)!!! They are a seriously qualified company that is a great coordinator for overseas transport of horses..and we have dealt with them personally. Some of our clients have had quarantine facilities, and I have even hauled a load of horses to the San Francisco airport for their departure. What a thrill THAT was with all the traffic! Good luck Carole Sweet Modesto, CA Jet Pets, Inc. 9111 Falmouth Ave Playa del Rey, CA 90293-8617 800-PET-8901; 310-823-8901; Fax 310-305-8297 Serving South America, Europe, Asia, Australia New Zealand
Re: question about temperament
This message is from: bolinsj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe pony attitude is just 'smarter than the average brown-horse owner'. :-) My Fjord has a 'pony attitude' which is why I like him so much. He is smart and sometimes tries to take advantage, but I'd rather have a thinking pony than a do-little horse. JMHO Martie in MD Tamara Rousso wrote: This message is from: Tamara Rousso [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've recently had three people warn me against buying a Fjord because they have a pony attitude with draft horse strength. By 'pony attitude' I believe they mean difficult to handle. Please comment. Tamara So Cal = ***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^*** If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. Rene Descart
Re: question about temperament
This message is from: ruth bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've recently had three people warn me against buying a Fjord because they have a pony attitude with draft horse strength. By 'pony attitude' I believe they mean difficult to handle. Please comment. Tamara TELL THEM they don't know what they're talking about Tamara ! We've handled a lot of Fjords here at Bushwhacker Fjords and haven't yet seen a 'pony attitude,' assuming I even know what one is =))) and I think I do, having had a couple in the past. As I've often said, we both have a background of many different breeds of horses and not one of them are even in the same league with Fjords! I fully believe they are in an elevated class of their own! We have never once had one even mildly deliberately try to hurt us in any manner of ordinary handling and I feel they are the safest kind of horse you could possibly have for handling, even though they have tremendous strength. (they have hearts of gold) Our farrier who is also a trainer, who has ridden some of ours a few times, and handles hundreds of all kinds of horses in a year's time in his line of work says, he can't believe how smart they are and how quickly they catch on! I guess the only problem is that some novice horse owners won't take the time and trouble to start right with a bit of training and schooling, but want to just grab the novice horse and go with it! Reminds me of the time my husband acquired a jet boat and wanted to run the Kootenai River without advice or instruction... well, that was one 'hairy' trip! (my last boating skirmish =)) Nobody ever wants to read the instructions ! So if you don't know what you're doing, and you grab onto a horse that can tell right off that you don't know what you're doing. they just naturally get their guard up and resist! Maybe that could be interpreted as a pony attitude when it really isn't . it's intelligence! Well, as you can tell. we LOVE FJORDS Ruthie Bushwhacker Fjords Gene and Ruthie Bushnell http://www.libby.org/~bushnell Troy, Montana
RE: question about temperament
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't think you need so much repetition as to explain what you want so they understand it..break it down into the small steps and they will pick it up right away. The thing is, you don't force them, you negotiate and treat them with respect (good idea for dealing with any horse.) My mare Stella and I used to go round and round, a fight each time I rode her, I was new to horses and taking some lessons but didn't really know what I was doing. When I learned more and started to praise her for doing things right she was an entirely different horse! When I took my time to negotiate and explain things clearly she was more than willing to cooperate. They thrive on praise, and sometime a food treat as used in clicker training works wonders! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where winter has turned to break-up (don't I wish!), with rain and warm temps. Where's our snow? 32F degrees right now. Stubborn is really the wrong word. Because they are drafty, they are cold blooded they appear to be stubborn or stupid. They are neither. Repetition is the only way to get around it. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Secret Santa?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...Are we doing the Secret Santa this year? Did I miss something? It has been so much fun the past 2 years I was hoping to play again!... I so hope we do, Valerie! Would love to do it this year!!! I've had a lot of fun with Secret Santas on the lists for my other pets -- it's as much fun to give as it is to receive in those! :-) Sher in Colorado
Re: question about temperament
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tamara Rousso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have heard that from several people now, so thought maybe I should at least ask the question. The interesting thing is everyone who has told me that does NOT own a fjord. Maybe it is just a myth that needs dispelled? You do say they can be stubborn. How do you work around the stubborness? One breed book that I have describes Fjords as self-willed. To me, that simply means that they are capable of having ideas, and if the human doesn't take the leadership role in the partnership, then the Fjord will. Donkeys and mules also get a lot of bad PR for being stubborn---mostly from folks who've never owned one. In fact, they (like Fjords) are intelligent, and somewhat cautious. I rather like having an equine that'll say, Now, let's stop and think about this for a minute Much better than, Run now, ask questions later! As for what you do about it---it's called training. Not just any old training, but respecting the animal's intelligence, and communicating the human's expectations (which includes the expectation that your expectations WILL be met). When most Fjords understand what you want, they'll be pleased to co-operate. There is a saying in the mule world that Mules MUST be trained the way that horses SHOULD be trained. I think that's probably true of Fjords, too. There's also the saying that To train a mule, first you got to know more than the mule. ;-) Fjords are intelligent, and that can be a problem for some horsemen. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
RE: question about temperament
This message is from: Casanova, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stubborn is really the wrong word. Because they are drafty, they are cold blooded they appear to be stubborn or stupid. They are neither. Repetition is the only way to get around it. You must be prepared to do the lesson over and over and over, however long it takes until they can do it right three times in a row. Once they have it though, there is no re-training them if they are left in the pasture, say all winter. Then come spring you want to ride, you just get on and ride. Unlike other breeds where the lesson has to be refreshed. It is like Amy said in her email, they are just smarter than those trying to train them. They can be ho-hum about stuff, but their retention of a lesson is immense. -Original Message- From: Tamara Rousso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:17 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: RE: question about temperament This message is from: Tamara Rousso [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Julie, I have been to visit Fjords and I find them enchanting. But I have heard that from several people now, so thought maybe I should at least ask the question. The interesting thing is everyone who has told me that does NOT own a fjord. Maybe it is just a myth that needs dispelled? You do say they can be stubborn. How do you work around the stubborness? Tamara so Cal --- Casanova, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Casanova, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] That just isn't true! They can be stubborn (for lack of a better word) at times. But they are way more eager to please than a pony. They enjoy work, but sometimes they don't understand what it is you want from them, but once they know, they are wonderful. They don't run from you in the pasture because they know it is work time. I have compared my Fjord to my girlfriends ponies and my Fjord is nothing like those ponies. My Fjord comes to me in the pasture, or at worst I walk up to him in the pasture. He has never run away from me to avoid working. Fjords have pony metabolism, they get fat just looking at the lush green pasture of alfalfa! That just makes them easy keepers. They do have some incredible strength! Those necks, you just can't believe the strength, you can feel the power just approaching them, but mine use their power for work, not avoiding work. They love to be put to work! Fjords are so mellow and sweet, if you have not met one in person, I suggest that you go see some. Find a farm near you and ask to go see them. You will be sold the moment you lay your eyes on them and feel their sweetness. It is like an aura, you have to experience for yourself. I was sold the moment I walked into a pasture of yearlings! Talk to breeders of Fjords, most people don't even know that you can ride Fjords. There are a lot of misconceptions out there, especially from those who have never owned one. Ask the nay Sayers how much experience they have had around Fjords. My guess would be, none. If you decide against a Fjord, I think you will miss out on a wonderful life changing experience. They are wonderful horses, and I for one would never own another breed of horse. My words are coming from five years experience, and not because I want to sell a horse. Julie -Original Message- From: Tamara Rousso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:25 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: question about temperament This message is from: Tamara Rousso [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've recently had three people warn me against buying a Fjord because they have a pony attitude with draft horse strength. By 'pony attitude' I believe they mean difficult to handle. Please comment. Tamara So Cal = ***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^*** If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. Rene Descart = ***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^*** If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. Rene Descart
Re: question about temperament
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/4/2003 12:37:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've recently had three people warn me against buying a Fjord because they have a pony attitude with draft horse strength. By 'pony attitude' I believe they mean difficult to handle. Please comment. *** Hi Tamara- Being both a pony and draft aficionado (sorry TB lovers) I believe Fjords are perfect! There is a saying that half a pony's weight is in his brain. This might also be said of Fjords. Personally, I want an equine companion with something between his ears. I don't mind taking the time to explain things to him, and listening to his comments ;-) As someone else mentioned, Fjords can't be bullied into doing things like horses of other breeds. I have seen spookier equines frightened into performing. Only problem with this method is, when the manure hits the fan, that horse is looking out for #1 and running to the next county. Draft horse strength is a good thing, especially if you want to do driving or farm work. Let's face it, any equine is stronger than a human. I'll attest to the fact that a 300lb pony (like mine) is every bit as strong as a big horse. Proper training can persuade even the Fjord with the thickest neck to cooperate ;-) / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.Brigid.Clickryder.com
RE: question about temperament
This message is from: Casanova, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] RIGHT ON, AMY I know that once my Fjord learns something, he has got it for life! I have trained my Fjord from a 4 month old weanling, and I am a novice at best horsewomen and he is a wonderful horse. I have had him in professional training for both riding and driving and both trainers (separate for riding and driving) said that his ground manners are wonderful and that he was sacked out well. It is a definite no no in other breeds for a novice to take on a weanling. My girlfriend breeds and raises Quarter horses and to wean her babies, she locks them in a padded stall for three days before she can handle them again. They are given grain, hay and water, but only through a double dutch door. Fjords are not like that at all! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:04 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: question about temperament This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/4/2003 3:24:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By 'pony attitude' I believe they mean difficult to handle. Actually, I translate that phrase to mean too smart for the average person that is trying to handle them! To the untrained eye (and I use the term loosly) Fjords can apear to be; stubborn, bullheaded, balky, etc. I find them to be delightfully intellegent. No, you can't use the quicky training methods on them that may work with some other horses, They are smart enough to question these methods/gimicks. Similar to mules, and yes ponies, you need to take the time to properly explain what you are trying ot teach a Fjord, and they will learn and retain it. They don't do well with the idea that they are supposed to do something just because you say so (in other words you won't have much luck trying to bully them into learning something. Personally, I have found ALL my Fjords to be very good students in anything I try to teach them. But, this is just my own humble opinion.. Amy
RE: question about temperament
This message is from: Tamara Rousso [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Julie, I have been to visit Fjords and I find them enchanting. But I have heard that from several people now, so thought maybe I should at least ask the question. The interesting thing is everyone who has told me that does NOT own a fjord. Maybe it is just a myth that needs dispelled? You do say they can be stubborn. How do you work around the stubborness? Tamara so Cal --- Casanova, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Casanova, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] That just isn't true! They can be stubborn (for lack of a better word) at times. But they are way more eager to please than a pony. They enjoy work, but sometimes they don't understand what it is you want from them, but once they know, they are wonderful. They don't run from you in the pasture because they know it is work time. I have compared my Fjord to my girlfriends ponies and my Fjord is nothing like those ponies. My Fjord comes to me in the pasture, or at worst I walk up to him in the pasture. He has never run away from me to avoid working. Fjords have pony metabolism, they get fat just looking at the lush green pasture of alfalfa! That just makes them easy keepers. They do have some incredible strength! Those necks, you just can't believe the strength, you can feel the power just approaching them, but mine use their power for work, not avoiding work. They love to be put to work! Fjords are so mellow and sweet, if you have not met one in person, I suggest that you go see some. Find a farm near you and ask to go see them. You will be sold the moment you lay your eyes on them and feel their sweetness. It is like an aura, you have to experience for yourself. I was sold the moment I walked into a pasture of yearlings! Talk to breeders of Fjords, most people don't even know that you can ride Fjords. There are a lot of misconceptions out there, especially from those who have never owned one. Ask the nay Sayers how much experience they have had around Fjords. My guess would be, none. If you decide against a Fjord, I think you will miss out on a wonderful life changing experience. They are wonderful horses, and I for one would never own another breed of horse. My words are coming from five years experience, and not because I want to sell a horse. Julie -Original Message- From: Tamara Rousso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:25 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: question about temperament This message is from: Tamara Rousso [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've recently had three people warn me against buying a Fjord because they have a pony attitude with draft horse strength. By 'pony attitude' I believe they mean difficult to handle. Please comment. Tamara So Cal = ***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^*** If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. Rene Descart = ***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^*** If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. Rene Descart
Re: question about temperament
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/4/2003 3:24:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By 'pony attitude' I believe they mean difficult to handle. Actually, I translate that phrase to mean too smart for the average person that is trying to handle them! To the untrained eye (and I use the term loosly) Fjords can apear to be; stubborn, bullheaded, balky, etc. I find them to be delightfully intellegent. No, you can't use the quicky training methods on them that may work with some other horses, They are smart enough to question these methods/gimicks. Similar to mules, and yes ponies, you need to take the time to properly explain what you are trying ot teach a Fjord, and they will learn and retain it. They don't do well with the idea that they are supposed to do something just because you say so (in other words you won't have much luck trying to bully them into learning something. Personally, I have found ALL my Fjords to be very good students in anything I try to teach them. But, this is just my own humble opinion.. Amy
RE: question about temperament
This message is from: Casanova, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] That just isn't true! They can be stubborn (for lack of a better word) at times. But they are way more eager to please than a pony. They enjoy work, but sometimes they don't understand what it is you want from them, but once they know, they are wonderful. They don't run from you in the pasture because they know it is work time. I have compared my Fjord to my girlfriends ponies and my Fjord is nothing like those ponies. My Fjord comes to me in the pasture, or at worst I walk up to him in the pasture. He has never run away from me to avoid working. Fjords have pony metabolism, they get fat just looking at the lush green pasture of alfalfa! That just makes them easy keepers. They do have some incredible strength! Those necks, you just can't believe the strength, you can feel the power just approaching them, but mine use their power for work, not avoiding work. They love to be put to work! Fjords are so mellow and sweet, if you have not met one in person, I suggest that you go see some. Find a farm near you and ask to go see them. You will be sold the moment you lay your eyes on them and feel their sweetness. It is like an aura, you have to experience for yourself. I was sold the moment I walked into a pasture of yearlings! Talk to breeders of Fjords, most people don't even know that you can ride Fjords. There are a lot of misconceptions out there, especially from those who have never owned one. Ask the nay Sayers how much experience they have had around Fjords. My guess would be, none. If you decide against a Fjord, I think you will miss out on a wonderful life changing experience. They are wonderful horses, and I for one would never own another breed of horse. My words are coming from five years experience, and not because I want to sell a horse. Julie -Original Message- From: Tamara Rousso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:25 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: question about temperament This message is from: Tamara Rousso [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've recently had three people warn me against buying a Fjord because they have a pony attitude with draft horse strength. By 'pony attitude' I believe they mean difficult to handle. Please comment. Tamara So Cal = ***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^*** If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. Rene Descart
question about temperament
This message is from: Tamara Rousso [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've recently had three people warn me against buying a Fjord because they have a pony attitude with draft horse strength. By 'pony attitude' I believe they mean difficult to handle. Please comment. Tamara So Cal = ***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^*** If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. Rene Descart
RE: Testing Manes
This message is from: Casanova, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sofia, I don't let my Fjord manes grown long. I personally like them trimmed. I love doing it and it makes them look so nice. I just think they would look raggy if left long. To each their own, but I enjoy them clipped. I have seen recently that people are doing different things with the clipped mane. Like on was trimmed as usual then every other inch of white down the mane was an inch removed so it almost looked checkered. It was pretty neat looking and one looked jagged like a saw blade, too much trouble for me, but it was nice seeing them get creative. I have found just shoving your fingers through the side of the mane all the way down gives the black stripe a jagged look, usually only seen from the saddle. It is very interesting. Julie Lakeville, Minnesota -Original Message- From: Sofia jagbrant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 1:14 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Testing Manes This message is from: Sofia jagbrant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ohh, please don't let your fjords have long mane =O Even if it is up to the owner, I think we would keep the fine tradition from Norway. Many fjords with long mane do not look like real fjord, they look more like Icelandics. And the mane become very heavy at many fjords. I have don't seen one fjord with long mane witch I have think been beautiful. But, but... By the way, very welcome to this nice list :-) Nice to have you hear. //Sofia (in Sweden, who cut the mane yesterday) - Original Message - From: Casanova, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 4:54 PM Subject: RE: Testing This message is from: Casanova, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Tish, It is nice to hear from a fellow Minnesotan on the list. I live in Lakeville with my two Fjords, a mare and her son a gelding. So you have left your Fjords mane grown long, like quarter horse long?? How does that look? I don't know that I have ever seen one with a long mane. Anyway, do you drive or ride or both? I am new to the list, so I don't know too many people on the list yet. Julie Lakeville, Minnesota -Original Message- From: Pasqual, Patricia A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 9:45 AM To: Fjord (E-mail) Subject: Testing This message is from: Pasqual, Patricia A [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have sent a few messages to the list recently, but never saw them in the digest. Didn't get a bounce back either. So, just testing. A brief word on manes - I have been conducting and experiment since last fall, allowing Elph's mane to grow. It looks beautiful, and with a bit of Cowboy Magic it all stays to one side. Heresy, I know, but I rather like it. Tish and Elph in Snowy Minneapolis
Re: Bushy Manes
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have some information on shipping from Europe to Los Angeles as I did this last year with a warmblood from Germany. I think the price I paid is the usual fare. It cost $3,700 to fly one horse direct from Amsterdam to Los Angeles (one way). I think it is somewhat cheaper if you are shipping more than one horse. The horse is then held in mandatory quarantine for 3 days if it is a gelding and I believe longer for stallions and mares. The quarantine price is $1,850 which includes UDSA testing, blood work, etc. which is all done by law. There is no way to bring in a horse without this. One of the quarantine stations is LA is called Jet Pets and their number is 310-823-3731. The agent that arranged the air transport was Guido Klatte at International Horse Transport. His number is +49-172-5283210 . I'm sure there are other agents but this was the one recommended to me and he is very reputable and takes care of all the transport details. Horses need a passport to travel international. I hope this information is helpful. Elaine Olsen
Re: Two things
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our thought are with you ( Steve also ) Remember the fun times you had with the morgan. When time is right get another Fjord. We have had our second snow of the season. I think this is going to be one of the winters that will be a lot of snow and it will stay around awhile. You stay in where is warm. Tillie Dun Lookin' Fjords Bud,Tillie Amy Evers Redmond OR (541) 548-6018 http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
Re:Fjord Type
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am responding to Brian's post about the ideal Fjord type and being a biologist I am reminded of the importance of maintaining genetic diversity within the breed. In order to create that intermediate Fjord as Brian described, we must make sure that all body types, on either side of the highway, are also maintained in the breeding pool. Sometimes as body styles recede in popularity, we lose valuable genotypes, I point to the modern Morgan as an example of what can happen to a breed. Genetic diversity is the key to the longterm success of the breed as it will continue to provide us with the best characteristics, something known to geneticists as 'hybrid vigor'. The Fjord evaluators realize this, that is why they will give a blue ribbon to different body types, a good Fjord is a good Fjord, regardless of which body-type is most popular right now and I believe it is in the best interest of the breed to maintain all types. I thank the US evaluators for ignoring breeding trends! when they rate an animal. Keep getting those Fjords evaluated and sometimes the 'best' Fjord is not necessarily the one in the middle of the highway. Judy PhelpsEcho Valley FjordsChelan, Washington
RE: Testing
This message is from: Casanova, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Tish, It is nice to hear from a fellow Minnesotan on the list. I live in Lakeville with my two Fjords, a mare and her son a gelding. So you have left your Fjords mane grown long, like quarter horse long?? How does that look? I don't know that I have ever seen one with a long mane. Anyway, do you drive or ride or both? I am new to the list, so I don't know too many people on the list yet. Julie Lakeville, Minnesota -Original Message- From: Pasqual, Patricia A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 9:45 AM To: Fjord (E-mail) Subject: Testing This message is from: Pasqual, Patricia A [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have sent a few messages to the list recently, but never saw them in the digest. Didn't get a bounce back either. So, just testing. A brief word on manes - I have been conducting and experiment since last fall, allowing Elph's mane to grow. It looks beautiful, and with a bit of Cowboy Magic it all stays to one side. Heresy, I know, but I rather like it. Tish and Elph in Snowy Minneapolis
Testing
This message is from: Pasqual, Patricia A [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have sent a few messages to the list recently, but never saw them in the digest. Didn't get a bounce back either. So, just testing. A brief word on manes - I have been conducting and experiment since last fall, allowing Elph's mane to grow. It looks beautiful, and with a bit of Cowboy Magic it all stays to one side. Heresy, I know, but I rather like it. Tish and Elph in Snowy Minneapolis
Two things
This message is from: Cynthia Madden [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case anyone is wondering what's happened to Steve, he is here in Las Cruces but we haven't set up internet access yet in the new house so he is sort of out of touch temporarily. You can let me know for now if you need to get in touch with him. I am sure withdrawal will hit him pretty soon and he will get things fired up. Also, we were saddened early Friday a.m. to lose my 24 year old Morgan, Keyah, to colic. (Please no rainbow bridge stuff). I had him for 18 years. He taught me most of what I have learned as an adult about horses and riding - even some about driving (mostly that some horses are just not driving horses). He aws a great horse and will be missed by all of us. Tank misses him and for the first time he is living all by himself. He has always had companions but after some initial seeking for Keyah he seems to have settled down although he hangs around the gates near the house more than he used to. We try to give him extra attention. Thanks... = Cynthia Madden Las Cruces, NM [EMAIL PROTECTED] (messages received on Saturday or Sunday can not be responded to until Monday) Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
Re: Bushy Manes
This message is from: william jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] A question from Barcelona Spain: Would anyone in the Fjord group have information on shipping horses to California or any other point in the U.S. from either Amsterdam or Frankfurt? I have received variable price quotes and am not sure what the average might be. I am also concerned with the price/security factor. I would appreciate any help. Sincerely, William Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I keep my fjord's manes roached because it makes the chrome show better. The black dorsal stripe is flashy. Now the real reason. It is much cleaner, I don't have a bunch of hair under the collar so less chance to get a sore there. It is also one less thing to comb. I do leave a tail right over the withers in case I get a stupid moment want to jump on bareback to go for a ride. This tail provides a handle for the children that always want to get up on the horses. Even though no one expressed interest the harness I had for sale is no longer for sale as the owner decided to keep it. Another bargain lost. I do still have C-1404 for sale if you need a horse to teach you, your horses the ropes in harness work. Joel Harman Brass Ring Ranch farming logging with fjords Mosier OR Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard
