dont use it up
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/11/03 4:41:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: " I think its our horses job to keep us humble" << The difference between a horse's behaviour at the beginning of the warm-up and once he is ready to enter the ring is another point - timing the warm-up just right to be able to enter the ring with a calm, focused, yet energetic and impulsive horse is part of the art of showing which is quite separate from the art of training. >> Yes, Yes,Yes ,Lori ! I need to work on this also ! I over-train and also over warm-up in the days before I show, or at a show since we try to get there a couple of days early..using up my " showy " preformances and being too flat during my classes. I have had 2 judges tell me that they saw the drive they wanted to.the day before in the practice ring. I guess that I need to let my horses rest and just warm up for a couple of min. before classes. Keeping me humble is not hard.just when I start thinking that Im "all that " I go clean up after 19 Fjords. ; /Lisa
Take time and read "Merry Christmas to All My Fjord List Friends!"
This message is from: "Linda Thornsberry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> God's Boxes >I have in my hands two boxes >Which God gave me to hold. >He said, "Put all your sorrows in the black box, >And all your joys in the gold." > >I heeded His words, and in the two boxes >Both my joys and sorrows I stored. > >But though the gold became heavier each day >The black was as light as before. >With curiosity, I opened the black, >I wanted to find out why, >And I saw, in the base of the box, a hole >Which my sorrows had fallen out by. > >I showed the hole to God, and mused, >"I wonder where my sorrows could be." >He smiled a gentle smile and said, >"My child,they're all here with me." > >I asked God, why He gave me the boxes, >Why the gold, and the black with the hole? >"My child, the gold is for you to count your >blessings, The black is for you to let go." > >We should consider all of our friends a blessing. >Send this to a friend today just to let them >know you are thinking of them >that they are a joy in your life: >A ball is a circle, no beginning, no end. >It keeps us together like our Circle of Friends >But the treasure inside for you to see >Is the treasure of friendship you've granted to me. >Today I pass the friendship ball to you. >Pass it on to someone who is a friend to you...
How much is too much?
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Here is (yet another!) post from the famous Carriage Driving List (CD-List). It was written/posted by Linda Fairbanks. Thought it was pretty apropo info for anyone wishing to start a horse in any kind of carriage or draft work. Made me reflect a bit, as some folks have criticised me in the past for "dorking" around too long, and being "soft" on my horses before really putting them to work. ((Hey, I LIKE tailriding at the walk/trot!)) Linda Fairbanks is an old driving friend, and she is a very good judge and trainer to boot. Plus I think she can express her thoughts very, very well. Read on if you will: "..The information about the Cavalry study on how much weight horses can pull is interesting but I must comment. I believe that if a horse is made to pull too much weight, he will either become balky or will break down physically. There are some differences between what we do and what the Cavalry does (or did). If a Cavalry horse pulling a caisson became lame or sore, he would be replaced by another Cavalry horse. If he became balky, he would be "fixed" or replaced by another horse. Most of us have only one or two horses and have relationships with them. We don't throw them away when they are used up, but we try to get a good long career out of them before we retire them. Also, I think the study must have been done mostly on pairs and fours, which allows any individual to take a brief break when his body demands it (as noted recently by Muffy (Seaton). The rule of thumb I use is based on light horses at various stages in their development: An inexperienced driving horse or one who is not fit should stay at 50% or less of his body weight and stay on mostly good footing. A driving horse with 6 months to a year of steady work can increase the weight and begin to increase the duration, the difficulty of the footing, the temperature, humidity, etc. It takes a long time to really harden a horse physically and I am convinced that they break down if worked too hard too soon. A vet I work with advocates 600 miles of long, slow distance before any speed or real difficulty is introduced. What this boils down to is a quiet year of slow walk and trot on good ground for the youngster before he is dashed into a speed or endurance contest. The result is a confident horse who is happy in his work. As a public trainer, I came across many horses who were angry or afraid about their work and I came to see it as a real shame that so many good horses are ruined by rushing them into work. I don't know what the upper limit is and I think it varies with the individual horse. This is not something that can or should be legislated, but experienced and sensitive horse people know the responsibility they have to the horses in their care." Karen McCarthy Great Basin Fjords :: Carson City, Nv www.picturetrail.com/weegees
Re: 3 strikes, you're out.
This message is from: "shawna smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anyhow, if we're having a show of hands for Joel, I say we give him another chance. I'm all for free speech and eccentricity, besides, tis the season to be mellow. Ruthie, nw mt Ruthie, I totally agree with you. I also think that in today's society people are too easily offended, and perhaps have a hard time letting another persons opinion, or comment, just roll off their back, if they disagree with what was said. Maybe I'm to laid back but I do prefer, for the most part, to "live and let live". And besides, I do learn things, from his posts, about the draft aspect of Fjords. And who doesn't enjoy "Life on the Ground" ?!? Shawna in or
hugging and snuggling fjords:)
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Winter in MN is quiet for "horsing".been close to zero for days:( Sven and Lena are "frosty" all over their bodyand icles hang from their whiskers..I love to hug them in winter. They smell good and are soo furry:) My little Nigerian goat - Frank Sinatra - "blue eyes" has the thickest fur.he looks like a stuffed animal. My fingers disappear when I pet him. In March, Lena, will be going to a trainer in Mpls..he is a quarterhorse trainer..AQHA.but, he is willing to take Lena. He likes her:) The whole barn loves it when she is there - I can't wait:) She will be my daughter's hunt seat horse and our QH will be her western pleasure horse. We will take them to open shows in the Mpls/Mn area. FUN I am pestering my hubby for a trailer with living quarters:):):) I told him to come along and he can be our cook!!! HA!!! So far he has not committed:) Joel? Maybe the short days and the holiday commotion has him in a "ba-humbug" mood... Kristin Lee and I are starting to think about the MN horse expo..will be attending and will have 6-7 fjords there again. If you want to advertize your "for sale" horse or your stallion...start thinking about photos. I'll write more about it in 2004 -- the expo is in April. Have a great weekend.I am off to Mpls...Linda Lottie
Re: 3 strikes, you're out.
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You mean like too many "cordial's" or maybe beers? A, a case of beer and the computer...not pretty! >I wondered at the time if his signature was a clue, "cordially" (Hmm =)) Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
update from rainy California!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Everyone! Just wanted to let you all know I'm still alive and having Fjord fun. This time of year is always difficult for me, horsewise. Thanksgiving and Christmas are my busiest times for pet sitting. On the days when I am not so busy, it always seems to be raining :-( Well, yesterday I finally found (made) time for my boys. I drove to the boarding facility determined to see them, come Hell or high water! Fortunately the weather gods cooperated and it only showered lightly. I hiked out into the pasture (80 acres) and there they were, mutually grooming :-) By himself was David the pony, happy to see me, wild and shaggy with sticks in his mane. I called "Boys!" and their heads happily snapped up. I hugged them and rubbed my face on their furry necks and inhaled their sweet scent. Know that feeling? Winter is not so good for performance, but excellent for hanging out, getting fat, and enjoying good company! / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.Brigid.Clickryder.com
3 strikes, you're out.
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear List from Brian Jensen; >>Recently I have been reading a list members comments which I find offensive and derogatory to myself and possibly other list readers and submitters. I work as a therapist in Mental Health .To let this behaviour continue amounts to allowing dysfunctional and harmful communication to continue being passed onto the list. I once saw a list of itemized resolves that said things like, "I resolve to hear, in every hurtful word, a soul that cries out for the validation of their worth," etc. It was a very nice piece which I may yet find and share. (it came from a minister friend, who also counselled in mental health, with emphasis in compassion) While Joel's comments seemed to be directed at Oregon folks, and justifiably nettled them, we all read them and I suspect we're pretty well all filed away in Joel's "dope on a rope" folder... which must be a disparaging point-of-view for him to bear. Incidentally, "dope on a rope" was kind of funny the first time =))) I agree with Beth that Joel has written some cute stuff in the past, which was also tempered with some consideration, so I have deduced that his recent transgression when he wove across that line of good taste was transitory. I wondered at the time if his signature was a clue, "cordially" (Hmm =)) Anyhow, if we're having a show of hands for Joel, I say we give him another chance. I'm all for free speech and eccentricity, besides, tis the season to be mellow. Ruthie, nw mt
Re: winter ice
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Last winter was one of the Iciest I have ever seen since I've had fjords (since 1987). All of my property is on somewhat of a slope, including the paddocks, altho not extremely steep. The early snow had been turned to ice with a lot of rain and freezing rain and that persisted through the winter. Two of my Fjords got winter shoes, but late (due to the weather) and skated for a little while on their summer shoes. Yes, I prayed that no one would fall, but surprizingly they did quite well, very cautious. I was the one who fell, several times, before I got smart and wore "ice grips' or "yak tracs" on my boots every time I left the house. It seemed that the Fjords pooped in their pathways , providing their own anti slip material, and I also threw some sand and gravel on the steepest most trafficed path, where they went down from the top stall door down around a gate post and turned the corner into their shelter on the downhill side of the little barn. This seemed to be the most likely place to slip, and this fall I did see BJorken slip and fall, but unhurt. He was more carefull after that, but had been rushing in to get the hay I was putting out. They would often take a more roundabout route to avoid the more treacherous steeper slippery slope. When it did snow to provide some good footing the four fjords were running and bucking around the corrals, glad to have their traction. You can throw sand or gravel or dirt, or just salt (no sand) on the slippery areas, and this will help some. They will soon learn to be cautious, bare hooves or shoes with borium work pretty good, take off the smooth summer shoes. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska still mild at +10F > >Now that the winter weather has hit I was wondering: Is there anything >people in the colder areas do about icy paddocks? Or do you just hope >and pray that none of the horses fall? > >Bonnie in WI > Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
response to Gina's post
This message is from: Bonnie Liermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I agree with you Gina. Hope people can understand what you are saying. I have found it frustrating to want to buy this particular breed and not having a large amount of $ to spend. That is why I have bought young ones. And even those are expensive. Yes, a well broke horse would have been wonderful and to be able to shop around and get exactly the type of horse you want would be great but not something I could afford. I have been blessed -- was able to buy a young horse that has been wonderful to train. And was able to purchase a second young fjord this year which I never would have believed would happen. But, while I enjoy the training in the paddock, I do not enjoy the first few rides on a totally green horse out on the trails. Would much rather buy a well started horse. Yes, I believe Fjords are worth the price because their temperment are so exceptional. But if you don't have the money it is frustrating. I understand how you feel. I sincerely hope you are able to have a Fjord someday. Bonnie in WI
Re: winter ice
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/11/2003 7:19:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Is there anything > people in the colder areas do about icy paddocks? We winter our horses in what is our "dry lot" in the summer (not so dry right now!). It is basically flat. We have never had any problems with horses falling, other than a few frisky foals goofing off. They are actually quite good on their feet even on the snow & ice. Amy
winter ice
This message is from: Bonnie Liermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List: Now that the winter weather has hit I was wondering: Is there anything people in the colder areas do about icy paddocks? Or do you just hope and pray that none of the horses fall? Bonnie in WI
Re: Worming
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > One interesting note is that I have not seen one single ascarid in any of my > youngsters since we moved to Eugene?! I can only conclude that, yup, we had > some tough ascarids in MT. > > > Gayle WHAT KIND OF TALK IS THAT GAYLE!!! Of course! everything is tougher in Montana JUST KIDDING!! hee hee hee hee hee Ruthie, Montana
Secret Santa Hint for Janne Myrdal
This message is from: Cynthia Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I call the west coast my home. I am for the most part a lurker, but have been known to post now and then. Mostly in response to posts by Dagrun and Brigid, of whom I am acquainted. Your fjordie gift is on the way. Hope you have a wonderful holiday! Your Secret Santa = Cynthia Madden Las Cruces, NM [EMAIL PROTECTED] (messages received on Saturday or Sunday can not be responded to until Monday) New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/
to Brian or Ursula
This message is from: Tamara Rousso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Brian or Ursula - I accidently deleted your email. Please contact me again. Thank you, Tamara = ***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^*** If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. Rene Descart
Promo Opportunity with Vikings
This message is from: "Martha and Guy Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear fellow listers: I received this email request earlier this week. We won't be able to participate, but thought I'd share the info with all of you. Maybe someone else is interested. This past summer we had a couple from Indiana stop here to see the horses. They are quite active in Viking re-enactments and want to get a "Viking" horse. They had seen Icelandics, but wanted to see Fjords first-hand. Here's another marketing possibility!! Thanks, Martha Martin Guy & Martha Martin Tømmerstall Farm 9173 W. Sharpes Corner Rd. Mt. Horeb, WI 53572 (608)832-6202 >>>Hello, my name is John Powell , and I am the organizer of a Norse Viking festival to be held in Marion, Indiana on Sept. 11&12 of 2004. We are attempting to educate the people of this area about the great culture of the Norwegians and other Viking groups circa 1000AD. Our area of the Midwest is sadly largely ignorant of the highly developed culture of these forbearers of many of our own people. Our festival will have costumed reenactors, vendors of period merchandise and foods, Norse legal and religious ceremonies, tournaments in Tafl and Glima wrestling, a Viking encampment, wooden Viking toys for the children, pony rides, lectures from authorities such as Professor Anna Grotans of the Ohio State University Center for Medieval Studies( who will lecture on Scandinavian Mythology), Norse recipe and garb contests and more !! We already have secured commitments from demonstrating blacksmiths, leather workers, and makers of period costumes. Also included in our list of attractions will be farmers fresh produce, do-it-yourself Mead kits, storytellers, a play, duals of honor, and many more things too numerous to mention. This event is being coordinated with the city of Marion , and has already been given approval by the Mayor, Wayne Seybold. It also has groups promising to attend from Ohio, Indiana, Michigan and Illinois , with more groups committing to attend every day !!! We were wondering if you could aid us in our attempt to educate the public here in the ways of the ancient Norse people?? Your expertise in Norwegian horses would be a wonderful addition to our event if you could lecture on the subject ! We were also planning to have horse or pony rides for the children, which could be provided by you if that were possible and desired. This could make you some money , since we are expecting a large turnout at this event. Potential for profits for our vendors should be quite high !! We are seeking any kind of help you could see fit to give, whether you could appear yourself, suggest qualified people who would be able to appear at our event to lecture or exhibit some of their work, or perhaps you might have some contacts where we might be able to find others who could help us. Exhibits would be especially helpful. We are also seeking sponsorship funding, without which our event will be more difficult to bring to the public. Perhaps you might have some suggestions in that area. With luck we can have success which will warrant this becoming a yearly event. I hope that you can see your way clear to help us. We have grand plans, but we will have to have some help to make this event as fun and educational as we would like. Please help us !! Thank you for your time. John Powell 411 N. Washington St Marion, IN 46952 765-664-3647 (work number) 765-664-2498 (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Worming
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/10/03 3:44:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Steve, Thanks for responding to my post. > Fortunately no one mistook this for some left over pasta. Seriously > though, it could be that the person didn't do as they claimed, or didn't > do it effectively. Or maybe you just have some very tough ascarids in > your area. One interesting note is that I have not seen one single ascarid in any of my youngsters since we moved to Eugene?! I can only conclude that, yup, we had some tough ascarids in MT. > > I must disagree with you here. It was a terrific product and still works > well. It has prevented a lot of deaths in young horses from verminous > arteritis (when small strongyles cause damage to the vessels in the gut). > If you are not using ivermectin in foals and yearlings, you may be > risking them to this condition. > > Ascarids are not a major concern. When a horse has a lot of them, they > can cause unthriftiness and sometimes a blockage in severe cases, but > they don't cause any of the damage that the strongyles can. > > So the moral here is use ivermectin, but rotate it with other classes to > get the variety of parasites. And if possible, practice good management > like Gayle does with rotating pastures, cleaning up manure piles, etc.. > I do agree with what you said above and I do still use ivermec a couple of times at the appropriate time of year, but my point was not to use it as the ONLY wormer and to rotate as you have mentioned. Every area of the country seems to have different parasite problems. For instance, here, the vets say that tape worm is prevalent in horses and is causing a number of colics. I don't think horses had those in MT., or perhaps we just didn't know? Since moving here, I have gone to worming every 60 days because, I'm told that our cool, damp winter weather is just PERFECT for bloodworms to thrive, since there is very little frost to kill them. Thanx, Gayle Ware Field of Dreams Eugene, OR www.fjordhorse.com
The dope comments
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think it is the horse's full-time job to keep us humble. The performance they give us at home is not necessarily going to be there when you go out in public. If you get 75% of what you are getting at home, you are doing really well, especially the horse's first few times out (ever or for the year). I have learned that when I get to a show grounds I won't necessarily be riding "my" horse, and his twin brother may seem intent on making me look bad. Oh well, that's horses for you, we need to cut each other enough slack and not be waiting to pounce with derogatory names when these things happen. The difference between a horse's behaviour at the beginning of the warm-up and once he is ready to enter the ring is another point - timing the warm-up just right to be able to enter the ring with a calm, focused, yet energetic and impulsive horse is part of the art of showing which is quite separate from the art of training. The horse's level of distraction will only be heightened by the handler's nerves, and learning to control your nerves (for who doesn't feel them when the event is important to you?) is part of the art. The educational point here is to make sure that you are working at home at least one level up from what you want to show, because when you go to show you want to be able to really "show off" your horse. You shouldn't be showing at a level that your horse is just learning or has recently learned at home because he won't necessarily be able to perform it in a distracting environment especially if you are feeling nervous too. Lori Albrough Moorefield Ontario http://www.bluebirdlane.com
Re: Joel's list participation (was Drawn and Quartered)
This message is from: Starfirefarm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I don't even see anyone except for Riviore posting on this list that has been > in it as long as I have. Excuse me, Jenson posts every now & then. Rest of > them don't bother trying to educate newbies. > > Last time I attended a fjord only event was the evaluation at Days Creek & I > was embarrassed by the number of dopes on the rope & I'm not referring to the > horses. It isn't the horses fault the human being doesn't have a clue. > Cordially, > Joel Harman Interesting that your e-mail observations can be as myopic as anyone else's Joel, knowing that I've seen several posts this year from original participants of this list, including myself, that were educational. Just because they weren't something that interested you, perhaps you deleted the post prior to reading it and missed the educational part. There have been plenty who have responded, or have posted original messages, to this list, yet you only count you and Carol Rivoire as being original participantsoh, and Brian Jensen, so that makes three. Perhaps you are just trying to get a rise out of some folks. If so, I can only venture to guess why. There are a number of knowledgeable people on this list who have done a quite adequate job of answering "the newbies" questions, which, in my opinion, don't need to be rehashed by someone like me if I agree with what they are saying. I don't need to put my opinion in print just to know that it's out there for everyone to see. If it's already been written, that's great. I don't see the need to be redundant. What continues to amaze me is that most of the folks on this list are so generous with their time and tolerance of the harsh and scornful tone in your e-mail language. Kind of like our fjord horses, no? They can take an amazing amount of abuse from a person before they either gracefully exit from the scene (usual scenario) or retaliate (worse case scenario.) I had more to relate along the lines of, as Lisa P. titled it, throwing stones at glass houses, but slept on it and decided not to be more inflamatory. Suffice it to say that we, including you Joel (just between me, you and our video tape) have all made embarrasing mistakes in event venues, whether they be horse shows, expos or evaluations. I would like to congratulate Catherine, Gayle, Lisa and Brian for stepping into the fray and being willing to say "enough is enough." As Catherine said, I was surprised to learn that it was you who was peeking over the arena wall, well away from everyone else, at the Evaluation in Days Creek. But I was disappointed to see that, for whatever reason, you chose to be standoffish rather than seeking the company and fellowship of fellow fjord horse enthusiasts. Because you continue to spend time on this list, I assume that you are seeking like company, of some sort, via the internet. Your tone earlier in this year had softened and had some educational value, but of late seems to have turned surly, condescending, harassing and combative again (as it was in the beginning.) What happened? There are people on this list who have appreciated your sense of humor, your story telling skills and the educational value you have to offer, but it looks like you are jeopardizing your participation, yet again. Get a grip and stay on the list. Beth -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com
Secret Santa Hint for Tillie Evers
This message is from: Cynthia Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You are often in my thoughts Though I'm 12 long hours away. To drive to your home would take a whole day. So hug the family, your Fjord herd, and Skye the dog too! Soon your Christmas gift will be delivered to you :-) Your Secret Santa = Cynthia Madden Las Cruces, NM [EMAIL PROTECTED] (messages received on Saturday or Sunday can not be responded to until Monday) New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/
