Further to our discussion of grass diving problems.
This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] This comes from the clickryder select list: AlsoI just got an issue of Eclectic Horseman that talks about using backing up to teach collectionand answered a lot of my questions about the correct queingand got me to up the ante about backing in collection...not on the forhand. _ Message: 1 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:10:39 +0800 From: Kelly Whitfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re: Eating grass Hi Pat. my problem at the moment is long lush grass where we want to train, Phoebe knows she should not try to eat, but it is so tempting Work with the situation - if Phoebe wants to eat the grass, use the grass as your CT treat! In other words, for good behaviour, click and let Phoebe eat some grass. Do a search on the list for carpet of motivation. I too used to have problems with my horse wanting to eat grass. I thought that having to haul my horse's head off the grass was just a natural part of horse ownership. I believed horse people whom I respected, who said you should never hand graze your horse because it led to a lack of respect. Since using grass as a CT treat, my horse is now very polite about eating it, waiting for the signal from me to see if it's OK - and he will leave it politely when asked. Also, using grass as a CT treat allowed my horse to come to realise that he usually preferred the treat that I was using: once I could vary grass with pellets, he was not so ravenous or pushy about being allowed to eat grass, and then I could do some training on grass using the pellets as a treat and not having him trying to graze in between. I know respect comes into this question if I was Alpha she would only graze when I allowed, how do I achieve this? I don't know that it's about respect. CT is about giving the horse free choice. If Phoebe is eating the grass, she is simply giving you information about her preference at that moment. I know that when Elmo grazes unasked if I'm CT-ing on grass, he's telling me that my level of reinforcement is too low, and I'm not being interesting enough. If I can give one handy tip, it's that I learnt that I had to give a different marker signal than a click when the treat was to be the grass. At first I just clicked to indicate that Elmo should eat some grass, but we rapidly got into some confusion when I wanted to work on grass but wanted to feed pellets - E was willing to comply, but didn't know whether he should be looking for pellets or dropping his head to graze. My cue is Eat some grass, and a hand gesture pointing at the grass. Not a lot of thought went into that cue, as you can probably tell! In my experience, using grass as a treat is an excellent way to calm a horse down if you're going for a walk in a strange environment. Because when you click and the horse eats, you have a natural, calming, head down happening. I also found it hilarious when my horse's obedience would raise a notch as we approached a particularly succulent-looking patch of grass! With CT you can sure see their thought processes in action! Another wonderful thing I got from using grass as a CT treat was a feeling that my horse was under my control, even when grazing free. Often now, I will let Elmo graze nearby while I'm putting my gear away, and I can be confident that he will not wander off - in fact, if I take too long he sometimes gets bored of the grass and will come and seek me out! A handy tip that I got from the list - when I want to finish the grazing session, I call his name and walk up to him - as soon as he leaves the grass he gets a big jackpot. I'm hoping to develop this into a reliable cue for him to come when he's called when he's grazing free. Having a horse come when it's called would be really neat, and it's not something I can develop because my horse usually chooses to stand so close to me that I can't really ask him to come any closer! Isn't this fun! Cheers Kelly
Re: raffle Fjord!!
This message is from: Carol J. Makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the other hand, Michigan And I believe that driving to the winter meeting and purchasing my tickets inside the borders of Wisconsin is just the technicality needed to qualify me as a potential winner! Ever hopeful... Kay Van Natta and Braveheart DREAM ON She can't be a youpper! No Way -- Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin
Re: raffle Fjord!!
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On the other hand, Michigan hay is also quite tasty and my gelding
Braveheart is even now shopping for pink buckets and shavings to furnish the
empty stall next to his. Arianna should be told that if she comes across the
water
to live with us there will be apples, carrots and sweet feed involved. After
all, one cannot live on cheese alone ('tho it would be fun to try). And I
believe that driving to the winter meeting and purchasing my tickets inside the
borders of Wisconsin is just the technicality needed to qualify me as a
potential winner!
Ever hopeful...
Kay Van Natta and
Braveheart
Yellow Pony Farm
Davisburg, Michigan
Re: OT: one H*** of a fire season
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gee, Martie, I think you have it the worst! Well at least for the moment. The humidity is VERY low right now..hence the fire danger. It sounds like you got more rain in one day than we get in the whole summer! It is too bad there can't be a nice balance..just the right amount of rain both places! I know the damage flood waters can do..shortly after I arrived in Fairbanks in l967 they had a 100 year flood here, and my car was trapped and flooded, and I helped folks clean up the muck left after the waters receded. Nasty! The only thing we don't get here is Tornados! Here's hoping things get better for you! Jean in Hot and dry Fairbanks, ALaska Jean, I feel for you and for the poor horses! 90 deg when you aren't used to it is tough. We have the exact opposite here right now. We are flooded, roads are out, many houses condemned, businesses closed. Part of the road just below our farm is somewhere on its way to the Chesapeake Bay and driving is 'interesting' at best. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: raffle Fjord
This message is from: Carol J. Makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joe Glick wrote: This message is from: Joe Glick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carol J. Makosky wrote: Joe, Now why did you have to go and do that? Now there will be 600 more plus people buying tickets to win the Fjord. I think all tickets should be increased to $200 each after the 15th of this month. Carol M., Well, I really don't care how many people enter the drawing. The way I see it, it only takes one ticket to win and I have that covered. Or at least I will have once I send in my check. So unless the postal system goes on strike, I will have a nice Fjord for $5.00 and the money from all the other entries will make a 4H Club very happy. The tickets are only sold in WI and the horse can only live in WI. She thrives only on good WI hay and grass. :-) So save your money and postage. -- Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin
Re: OT: one H*** of a fire season
This message is from: bolinsj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, I feel for you and for the poor horses! 90 deg when you aren't used to it is tough. We have the exact opposite here right now. We are flooded, roads are out, many houses condemned, businesses closed. Part of the road just below our farm is somewhere on its way to the Chesapeake Bay and driving is 'interesting' at best. You never know what will be washed up on the roads. We had about 11 inches in one day and a brief tornado touchdown. At least we live on a hill and the horses stayed dry. We had only 16 inches of muddy water in our basement (on top of a hill, no less!!) but neighbors are still bailing out. And we were out of town all day visiting my ill godfather and sitting with him through the tornado warning at his son's farm. the sump pumps failed to turn on and. Guess at least we won't have to worry about forest fires for a while. Most of the trees are down from the flash floods. We're about 90 deg also, but with 100 % humidity to go with it. Sauna time. Of course, the Fjords say 'ho hum' and the poor little Arab is beside himself trying to keep his little feetsies dry :-) Martie in MD - muck muck muck Jean Ernest wrote: This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] 90+ degrees in Fairbanks, Alaska, hot all over the state (even Anchorage!) and now they are evacuating Eagle, a town on the Yukon/Alaska border north of Tok on the Taylor Highway. Fairbanks is not in any danger but the fires are still going north of here and if the winds change the situation could change. and we would get heavy smoke again. Red Flag warnings up up for fire danger. I just hope some idiot doesn't try burning some trash in the neighborhood, or throw out a cigarette. So far this is the fifth worst fire season since they began to keep records in 1950...And it could turn out to be the worst ever if this heat and drought keep on! Too hot to play with the Fjords...But I got a package of Parelli dvd's and videos to watch today! Jean in HOT and sunny Fairbanks, Alaska 90 degrees and rising!
Arianna Harrison
This message is from: Tamara Rousso [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List, Lovely sound don't you think? I snuck into the computer while mom is out, and I am thoroughly convinced that Arianna should be mine. Even though I am in the Viagra years of my life I would love to have a cute little filly around. Besides that I miss my own kind. That's not to say that I don't appreciate that these kind folks have put another horse on the property, but we all know that there's nothing quite like a Fjord. I need someone else who understands my eating disorder. Lucky for me I am quite a clever horse and will be able to forge mom's name to a check without any problem. $25 in the mail to those nice 4-H people. Please let Arianna know that California will be quite wonderful with me in it. Glowingly yours, Harrison Fjord Fallbrook CA Autographs given on Sundays 2:00 - 2:10.
OT: one H*** of a fire season
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] 90+ degrees in Fairbanks, Alaska, hot all over the state (even Anchorage!) and now they are evacuating Eagle, a town on the Yukon/Alaska border north of Tok on the Taylor Highway. Fairbanks is not in any danger but the fires are still going north of here and if the winds change the situation could change. and we would get heavy smoke again. Red Flag warnings up up for fire danger. I just hope some idiot doesn't try burning some trash in the neighborhood, or throw out a cigarette. So far this is the fifth worst fire season since they began to keep records in 1950...And it could turn out to be the worst ever if this heat and drought keep on! Too hot to play with the Fjords...But I got a package of Parelli dvd's and videos to watch today! Jean in HOT and sunny Fairbanks, Alaska 90 degrees and rising! Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: EPM-long
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Zephanie ... What an interesting post from you. And, your dad...what a guy:) I remember talking to you a couple years ago at the fjord show about your mare and her allergy to flies. Did you ever get a fly sheet for her? I have an all body sheet that I could bring to the fjord show if you want me toyou could try it.actually, I have two styles. Let me know and I'll throw them in the trailer. See you soon..oh ya.I love your nametotally unique:) I love names that are a little different:) PS Say hi to your mom :) Linda Lottie All Things Fjord More! In a message dated 7/13/2004 1:11:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Derrice Skow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This message is from: Derrice Skow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone, my name is Zephanie Skow, and I have a 7 year old Norwegian Fjord Horse Mare (Fair Acres Petra) in Fairmont, MN. I received Petra for a Christmas present in 1997, I was 9 years old, and she was my first horse. About a year later she started having problems, I don't really remember what they were, and at times I choose not to. She started being very hard to turn, stumbling, and dragging her feet. She wasn't eating the way she was supposed to either. Finally things got really bad, and she had a hard time standing. We took her to a vet in Sherburn, MN (Shirley Kittleson, at Goldmount) who is well known for her work with horses. While we were going through town taking Petra to Goldmount, she fell down in the trailer, I don't remember, but my parents didn't know if she'd live to make it to the about ½ hour drive over there. Petra had a spinal tap done, and it was sent to Kentucky. The results came back, and tested positive for EPM, this was a fear of mine, because a large number of horses diagnosed with this disease never live, but then at least we knew what the problem was. EPM is a devastating disease, is stands for Equine Protozoal Myeloencephalitis. Horses get it from eating possum droppings (if you see a possum on your land, please try to get rid of it.) it affects there neurological system, some horses lose their muscle mass, are unable to use sides of their bodies, have trouble turning, dragging of feet, the list goes on. Fort Dodge had come out with a dug to use against this disease, but after talking with one of the Fort Dodge people, I would not recommend it, because they said your horse can still get the disease, but when you go for a test, it will show up negative, because it covers it up. I don't remember what the name of the drug was. We brought Petra back home, with an expensive vet bill, and treated her with lots of drugs, sorry I don't know the name of them, as I was younger and didn't really know what was happening to my horse. My dad is a veterinarian, but hasn't worked on horses for years, he's getting better now after dealing with this disease, and another 20 year old horse starting to show his ageJ He's told me many times that when Petra came back home, he went down to where she was boarded at, and found her flat on her side, unable to get her up. He thought for sure we would lose her. He has some machine, which runs off of waves, and he rubs his finger on a plate, with a sample of hair from the person, along with a drug in a can, and he rubs his fingers until he feels a stick, that tells him how many doses the person needs of the drug. He did this with Petra with B12 (it's a life saver, and so is he) he found that she needed huge doses of B12, doses never heard of giving to a horse, because she needed to get more red blood cells. Petra was also found to be anemic. I never knew he did this until later, but he went down to see her everyday and injected her with B12. This all happened during Christmas, and my birthday, so you can image how a little girl felt, not understanding what was happening to her horse, and not doing fun things with one of her best friends; praying every night to God to please make her horse better, and that all she wanted for her birthday was to have her horse not be in pain any more. Many months later Petra regained her strength, and then I started riding her. Well the rest is history, today mostly because of the knowledge of my father, Petra is fat, bucking and running around in the pasture. The only thing I can think of that really affected her, and that you would notice maybe today, is that she is shorter than most fjords I think, so maybe she was stunted during that year. Petra also seems to be allergic to flies, and loses her hair, and I don't know if that has anything to do with it. If anyone is going to the fjord show in Blue Earth this year, we'll be there, don't be afraid to come by and visit! Petra isn't the most well trained fjord in the barn, but she has the best disposition for one of your best friends. Sheri I know how you feel, there doesn't seem to be hope is sight sometimes, but keep investigating
Re: raffle Fjord
This message is from: Joe Glick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carol J. Makosky wrote: Joe, Now why did you have to go and do that? Now there will be 600 more plus people buying tickets to win the Fjord. I think all tickets should be increased to $200 each after the 15th of this month. Carol M., Well, I really don't care how many people enter the drawing. The way I see it, it only takes one ticket to win and I have that covered. Or at least I will have once I send in my check. So unless the postal system goes on strike, I will have a nice Fjord for $5.00 and the money from all the other entries will make a 4H Club very happy. But don't worry, when I do win her, you're welcome to come to my place and drool anytime. Joe Glick Glick Family Farm Denver, PA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: raffle Fjord
This message is from: Joe Glick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is the web link that tells you all about the Fjord that will be raffled off. http://mwfhc.org/Newsletters/04Winter.htm#WinAFjord Good Luck! Joe Glick Glick Family Farm Denver, PA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
raffle Fjord
This message is from: Carol J. Makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, The information is in the spring issue of the Herald on page 26. I hope you belong to the Fjord Registery and get the Herald -- Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin
EPM-long
This message is from: Derrice Skow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone, my name is Zephanie Skow, and I have a 7 year old Norwegian Fjord Horse Mare (Fair Acres Petra) in Fairmont, MN. I received Petra for a Christmas present in 1997, I was 9 years old, and she was my first horse. About a year later she started having problems, I don't really remember what they were, and at times I choose not to. She started being very hard to turn, stumbling, and dragging her feet. She wasn't eating the way she was supposed to either. Finally things got really bad, and she had a hard time standing. We took her to a vet in Sherburn, MN (Shirley Kittleson, at Goldmount) who is well known for her work with horses. While we were going through town taking Petra to Goldmount, she fell down in the trailer, I don't remember, but my parents didn't know if she'd live to make it to the about ½ hour drive over there. Petra had a spinal tap done, and it was sent to Kentucky. The results came back, and tested positive for EPM, this was a fear of mine, because a large number of horses diagnosed with this disease never live, but then at least we knew what the problem was. EPM is a devastating disease, is stands for Equine Protozoal Myeloencephalitis. Horses get it from eating possum droppings (if you see a possum on your land, please try to get rid of it.) it affects there neurological system, some horses lose their muscle mass, are unable to use sides of their bodies, have trouble turning, dragging of feet, the list goes on. Fort Dodge had come out with a dug to use against this disease, but after talking with one of the Fort Dodge people, I would not recommend it, because they said your horse can still get the disease, but when you go for a test, it will show up negative, because it covers it up. I don't remember what the name of the drug was. We brought Petra back home, with an expensive vet bill, and treated her with lots of drugs, sorry I don't know the name of them, as I was younger and didn't really know what was happening to my horse. My dad is a veterinarian, but hasn't worked on horses for years, he's getting better now after dealing with this disease, and another 20 year old horse starting to show his ageJ He's told me many times that when Petra came back home, he went down to where she was boarded at, and found her flat on her side, unable to get her up. He thought for sure we would lose her. He has some machine, which runs off of waves, and he rubs his finger on a plate, with a sample of hair from the person, along with a drug in a can, and he rubs his fingers until he feels a stick, that tells him how many doses the person needs of the drug. He did this with Petra with B12 (it's a life saver, and so is he) he found that she needed huge doses of B12, doses never heard of giving to a horse, because she needed to get more red blood cells. Petra was also found to be anemic. I never knew he did this until later, but he went down to see her everyday and injected her with B12. This all happened during Christmas, and my birthday, so you can image how a little girl felt, not understanding what was happening to her horse, and not doing fun things with one of her best friends; praying every night to God to please make her horse better, and that all she wanted for her birthday was to have her horse not be in pain any more. Many months later Petra regained her strength, and then I started riding her. Well the rest is history, today mostly because of the knowledge of my father, Petra is fat, bucking and running around in the pasture. The only thing I can think of that really affected her, and that you would notice maybe today, is that she is shorter than most fjords I think, so maybe she was stunted during that year. Petra also seems to be allergic to flies, and loses her hair, and I don't know if that has anything to do with it. If anyone is going to the fjord show in Blue Earth this year, we'll be there, don't be afraid to come by and visit! Petra isn't the most well trained fjord in the barn, but she has the best disposition for one of your best friends. Sheri I know how you feel, there doesn't seem to be hope is sight sometimes, but keep investigating this disease, keep asking questions, and keep praying to God. My prayers are with you, and Red.
Lazy Valley Ranch Website
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Re: fjordhorse-digest V2004 #159
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charla Kingsley) I've noticed that the raffle is talked about, and talked around, and joked aboutbut, nobody says where to send money for a ticket. Is this a closed raffle?
Re: mormor
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/13/04 12:33:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This message is from: Dave and Patti Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's offical I'm a Mormor. My daughter Tanya had her baby this early A.M. Allen Matthew Lenzner came into the world at 3:20am July 12th, 8 pounds 8 oz, 22 inches long. Full head of dark hair, really cute!!! what!! no stripe down the middle? LOL congrats, and welcome to the world of grammas :): laurie in central minnesota gramma of two
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2004 #159
This message is from: Carol J. Makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charla Kingsley wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charla Kingsley) I've noticed that the raffle is talked about, and talked around, and joked aboutbut, nobody says where to send money for a ticket. Is this a closed raffle? Perhaps we are all shutting up in hopes no more buy tickets and Carol M. wins. OK I will look up the info in the Hearld. I think it was in there and I will send it on to you just to show what a good sport I am. By the way you can read all about me and Heidi in the latest issue. :-) -- Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin
BLUE EARTH
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message from Linda Syverson-Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All. Blue Earth is almost here. Where has the summer gone? I am sending this post to see if there is anyone still interested in CLASS SPONSOR. We have had 22 classes spoken for. If interested please go to the MWFHC web site and run copy a the form and send in ASAP. Our county fair starts Wed. 7-14, my Foster Daughter is showing my Gelding Spruce Hill Markus and the Yearling Oddens Norske Wood Sunniva. She is also a Drill Team member and will be performing daily at the fair with my Gelding. Needless to say that I will be living at the fair grounds I plan to have my Foster Daughter who is great at web design to create something to advertise for those that sponsor a class, have no figured out what but I am sure it will be great. So if interested, last chance, info., needs to be here by the weekend (as she will is still in summer school and her time is limited) Looking forward to seeing everyone at Blue Earth. Have a safe drive there. Linda Syverson Kerr
