Re: line breeding vrs in breeding
This message is from: "Pat Holland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Well, I'll try in simplistic, layman's terms. There must be someone else on > the list who could explain scientifically. Can't say it scientifically but a wonderful old time breeder once told me: "When it works its called line breeding - when it doesn't it's called in breeding". Pat Holland
Re: Linebreeding & inbreeding
This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Roberta, Line breeding concentrates the genes. It does not dilute them. When you line breed you are using similar familial genes. Thus possibly doubling up on the same trait. Lisa Wiley Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose Corresponding Secretary FASTeam http://www.myturnabout.com
Re: Linebreeding & inbreeding
This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carol, Thank you for answering my question. I can understand the feelings on inbreeding but linebreeding is going back to related ancestors. I would not think there are enough Fjords to totally outcross everytime. Linebreeding is also a valuable tool in finding out what the strengths and weaknesses may be. Since it concentrates the genes some. It is not something that can be used without studying pedigrees and knowing the lineage. You can get the same problems by outcrossing. I would not think the gene pool in this breed is large enough to have the diversity you would need to avoid genetic problems. As far as dogs go. Putting puppies down is not a viable option. We see more genetic defects from those who do not linebreed and do not understand the pedigrees. The key is knowing what is behind your dog. Sometimes the knowing can be the most valuable tool. By outcrossing every time you do not know what your dog carries. Lisa Wiley Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose Corresponding Secretary FASTeam http://www.myturnabout.com
Re: Linebreeding & inbreeding
This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carol and I totally agree with this one. To line breed dilutes the gene pool, which can cause a multitude of seen and unseen issues, current and future. Not worth the risk besides not being accepted by the NFHR. Roberta
missing a month of the list
This message is from: Holly Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My last received fjordhorse digest was 8/18. Don't know what happened--could I by any chance recoup the missing days? Many thanks, Holly Wright
Re: fjord horse questions
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dee Anna, Not true about the extra thick pads not fitting all horses. I have my old Passier dressage saddle and use a 2 1/2" heavily padded western pad on my high withered 17 2 1/2 half hand Warm Blood, my medium withered 16 2 warmblood mare and my slight withered thirteen plus hand Fjord. No sign of discomfort. I did see Gunnar buck under someone else's saddle because of the poor fit. By the way, his "buck" is just humping his back while his feet stay on the ground. Jean G. Author 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520
Re: Linebreeding & inbreeding
This message is from: "Carol Riviore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.beaverdamfarm.com Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet, Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 Tel:(902) 386-2304 Fax:(902) 386-2149 Carole Rivoire, author of THE FJORDHORSE HANDBOOK, only book in English on the Fjord breed, available from Beaver Dam Farm, $36.95 US includes P&H http://www.beaverdamfarm.com/book.htm " Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia --- Lisa Wiley asked me this question . . . . This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carole, Could you please explain the following statement? Why would line breeding or inbreeding cause these problems anymore than outcross breeding? If the problem is in a line it is there doesn't matter how you use it. The worth of a Fjordhorse depends on many many things, the first one being his LINEAGE. -- If he or she has a screwed up pedigree --- linebred, inbred for instance --then in my opinion, he has very litle value because you don't know what lurks in his genes that may cause serious trouble in his and your future. -- He may look OK, act OK now, but may go blind at ten years of age -- Or something else equally devestating. Lisa Wiley Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose Corresponding Secretary FASTeam http://www.myturnabout.com ~ Well, I'll try in simplistic, layman's terms. There must be someone else on the list who could explain scientifically. Every animal and human has weak and strong characteristics in his genetic makeup. If an animal is inbred meaning he's the result of a stallion breeding his mother or daughter, then the weak genes get multiplied along with the good genes, and this multiplication can be disasterous to the physical and mental health, soundness, and longevity of the resulting offspring. -- Whew! That's as scientific as I get! -- The NFHR does not allow inbred horses to be registered. This includes father to daughter matings, mother to son matings, full sibling matings, and half brother to half sister matings. It's a recognized fact in breeding all animals, and humans, that breeding closely related individuals causes mental and physical problems. -- I know it's done frequently in dog breeding, and I don't agree with it at all, but at least with a litter of puppies, the dog breeder may be able to destroy the malformed ones. -- At least those that are recognizable at birth as not correct. -- With the long gestation term of horses, and the fact that only one foal is born at a time, as well as the cost of breeding horses, the results can be much more significant. Regards, Carol Rivoire
I'm Back... address change
This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Changed servers recently and have a new email address... [EMAIL PROTECTED] and have a new website link also... http://www.frontiernet.net/~fjords I have had the darnedest time reconnecting with the list... tried everything I could possibly think of! Then, as a last resort, I read the directions and worked like a charm. =)) Took in two horsy events in the past two weeks, the International Fjord horse show in Libby, and the Draft Horse Show in Sandpoint, ID (this weekend). Sad to say the attendance was wy down for both affairs ...what with the fuel crunch, hoof & mouth embargo, and the gulf coast getting stomped. Condolences to all affected... possibly we, every one of us, will be touched in some measure by such catastrophic immensity. sighh. Ruthie, nw mt, US
Re: fjord horse questions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kate's suggestions about saddling slowly are good ones. One of my geldings was a bit anxious about being girthed up and patience and time cured that. Another issue to check, in case it's not already been mentioned: Check the saddle fit carefully. The saddle may have been pinching or digging into the horse's back from being the wrong size or shape or from damage to the saddle. If this is the case, it's a small miracle he's just antsy. On a related note, if the saddle is too small for the horse, adding another saddle pad will only make matters worse, not better! I'm always amazed to hear people mention this. If this "fix" actually worked, then we should "fix" the fit of too-small shoes by wearing two pairs of socks, right? DeeAnna
Re: Fjord Christmas Cards now for sale BENEFIT...I missed seeing them!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Catherine, I must have missed the first notices about the Fjord Christmas cards! Where can I go to see them? Kay Van Natta Yellow Pony Farm SE MI
Re: Equine Insurance
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Laura, I insure my mare and gelding with Independent Equine Agents of Louisville KY and they put me with Travelers Insurance Company. I carry full mortality (death due to illness, accident, disease or theft) and the policy also includes $3000 of emergency colic surgery coverage. Their number is (502) 245-6878 or 1-800-346-8880...ask for Betsy Reiter. Betsy has always been friendly and very helpful but, since nothing bad has happened to my ponies yet, I can't really tell you how Travelers will behave. I'd like to think they'd be as quick to help as they were to collect but you never know. I hope I never have to find out. And, since your Fjord herd may be of a different size and used for different purposes than mine, I don't even know if Betsy would recommend the same company for you. Anyhow, that's my story. Good luck policy shopping! Kay Van Natta Yellow Pony Farm SE MI
I have a sense of humour about my size
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hay I am only 4' 6'' and my husband is 6' 3" Want to talk about having a good sense of humor and I was a lineman for the phone company HA HA HA ;') I am in NJ Debbie Todd This message is from: "Vanessa N Weber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> By the way, just so you know that I have a sense of humour about my size, I recently joined the following e-list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vanessa
