Another YouTube Video - Jumping Fjord
This message is from: Lauren Chumley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello List! I made video of one of my horse shows in February and I'd like to share it with you all! The mare is SNF Maarta (Toreblakken x Folly). She is owned by Neil and Ruth Sorum of Lebanon, OH. The rider is myself. The video takes place over two days, and is many different stadium jumping rounds. Maarta finished the weekend as the Grand Jumper Champion in her division. This little mare is quite special to me, and I hope you enjoy her video! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp_4DgiNhNo -- Lauren Chumley Sorum Fjord Farm Lebanon, Ohio www.sorumfjordfarm.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: clicker training
This message is from: Vanessa N. Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] If anyone wants to read a great book on this, track down Karen Pryor's book 'Don't Shoot the Dog!'. She started out training marine mammals and has written the book so that everyone can understand how this can affect your dogs, your kids or even your spouse! (she claims.) She's a good writer and this book is really fun! Vanessa N Weber -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Russell Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:08 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: RE: clicker training This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] The person who trained this lamb was using luring to get the behavior, i.e., holding the treat out in front of the lamb. Most dog agility trainers I have seen do the same thing. I think it works fine for them, and is easy to get the behavior, so they do it. In the end, the luring behavior by the human becomes the cue (command) for the animal to perform a desired behavior. If the trainer continued to hold a hand out, or point toward the obstacle, but eliminated the food in the hand, I doubt that the lamb would stop performing the trick. He is not really chasing the food, so much as reacting to a cue that tells him a certain behavior will be rewarded. If the trainer abruptly stopped all food rewards, but kept luring, the lamb would eventually stop performing the trick. Luring is not the only way to get a behavior. I do not believe the behavior is learned as thoroughly when it is taught via luring, but that is just my opinion, and is not based on scientific study. However, it is possible to deliberately train the lamb to keep performing for a longer period WITHOUT reward before the behavior is extinguished. The technique is to intermittently reinforce the behavior. (I learned how to do this in college 40 years ago, with pigeons taught to peck a button to get food. A similar behavior has been used in pigeons to guide missiles to their targets, essentially using pigeons who would keep pecking to keep the missile in which they were riding on target until it hit the target. ) As for complicated chains of behaviors, it does take some skill to link the behaviors together. Several years ago at Libby I watched Kongaard chase after and push a ball quite some distance back to his master's feet in order to get a reward. It was a pretty complicated behavior. Once learned, a clicker reinforced behavior is not easily forgotten. I taught Odin a trick about a year ago and then stopped practicing. Tried it again the other day and he immediately performed the behavior. There are people getting doctorate degrees in positive reinforcement training theory, so it is not easy to explain how it all works without writing a bookand,I am not up-to-date on it. I do know that competitive dog obedience people have pretty much all gone to food-based reward systems. Gail The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
bit information
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello list...anyone remember the fjord riding/driving bit discussions from last fall? Can someone remind us of the special fjord bits that were mentioned and where to find them? thanks It may be spring in Montana...someday! ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Another YouTube Video - Jumping Fjord
This message is from: Emily Wigley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lauren, congratulations on several lovely jumping rounds! I have to ask, did the course design make you nutty? So many jumps off the right, around and around! You and Maarta rode it quite well, but the course designer might have made many pairs dizzy with so few changes of direction! Maarta is a pretty jumper - obviously so careful over the fences as well as going nicely between them. Your riding is thoughtful and pretty - it is terrific that you were rewarded with championship in your division!! Go jumping Fjords Emily Emily Wigley Fish Bowl Farm Vashon Island, Washington www.fishbowlfarm.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: bit information
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Wendy: Here are two links for Glory bits. One is for the Butterfly Glory and the second is for a driving bit. The Amazon link has two pages with two styles (pgs 13 and 14). http://www.drivingessentials.com/glory.htm http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_pg_13/102-5811441-4429760?ie=UTF8me=A2ZCN192XJQMU2rh=n%3A3375251%2Cn%3A3375301%2Cp%5F4%3ACoronetpage=13 On 4/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello list...anyone remember the fjord riding/driving bit discussions from last fall? Can someone remind us of the special fjord bits that were mentioned and where to find them? thanks It may be spring in Montana...someday! ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: bit information
This message is from: Debbie Ulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello list...anyone remember the fjord riding/driving bit discussions from last fall? Can someone remind us of the special fjord bits I have found that Sandy at http://www.iowavalleycarriage.com/bits.php has a wonderful selection of bits as well as many other driving things and has been very helpful. I am using bits from her and I love them. She can explain what works best and ships quickly. Debbie Ulrich Corgi Hill Farm Winona, MN The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: bit information
This message is from: Carol Makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will jump in here and second the plug for Sandy and Iowa Valley Carriage. She is great to do business with and her prices are good. Debbie Ulrich wrote: This message is from: Debbie Ulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello list...anyone remember the fjord riding/driving bit discussions from last fall? Can someone remind us of the special fjord bits I have found that Sandy at http://www.iowavalleycarriage.com/bits.php has a wonderful selection of bits as well as many other driving things and has been very helpful. I am using bits from her and I love them. She can explain what works best and ships quickly. Debbie Ulrich Corgi Hill Farm Winona, MN The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw -- Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
clicker training
This message is from: Bonnie [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have used clicker-based training for my dogs. I have trained all the upper-level obedience skills and agility with this method. Clicker training can be an amazing thing. This lamb was shown in the very beginning stages of learning agility. There is alot of luring to teach the obstacles. Clearly, the lamb understood the click and what it meant and showed classic responses. Given alittle time I am sure the lamb would no longer need luring, but instead, as Gail stated, you would use a varied or delayed reward. We used to raise sheep, and no offense Janet, but I found them to be as dumb as stumps most of the time. So I was impressed that the lamb did so well. She was very treat motivated. As you withdraw the treats, the reward (for most dogs anyways) is all the fun doing agility. That becomes the reward. It would be interesting to see if the lamb would do an entire agility course once it's fully trained. Just my 2 cents. bonnie The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Another YouTube Video - Jumping Fjord
This message is from: Beth Pulsifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fantastic Video Lauren! Congratulations to you and the lovely mare.She looks happy to be doing what she's doing!! You should be very proud of your accomplishments. Beth in Maine The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Victor
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Griet- So sorry for your loss. We are all thinking of you. It sounds like you made the right decision to end his suffering. Brigid in CA The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Victor....
This message is from: Jeanne Zuker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Griet, I am sorry to hear of your beloved friend passing but I can relate to the relief that he is no longer suffering and has gone to be with his many friends up in heaven over the Rainbow Bridge. Your earlier writing of him told of how much you cared for this boy, and loved him. The Fjords most likely knew he was gone and out of pain. I believe they 'mourn' in their own way and also sense relief of his suffering. May God hold you gently while you heal and your heart mends from your loss, and St Francis, please watch over Victor as he comes into your pastures again young, beautiful and without injury or disease. So sorry for your loss, Jeanne Zuker ~MI~ USA The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Fjords in John Lyons latest magazine
This message is from: fjords [EMAIL PROTECTED] I received my latest John Lyons magazine yesterday and in a section on trimming manes there are 2 pictures of Fjord manes! Anyone know whose they are? Taffy Mercer In sunny Kennewick, WA The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Another YouTube Video - Jumping Fjord
This message is from: Melinda Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Congratulations, Lauren and Maarta! I'm happy to finally get to see you riding! (...maybe someday, SNF Mirakel and me.) Haha. :) Melinda On 4/25/07, Emily Wigley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Emily Wigley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lauren, congratulations on several lovely jumping rounds! -- Coaching with Melinda Schumacher, MD Personal Empowerment through Creative Expression and Equine Experiential Learning You wander from room to room hunting for the diamond necklace that is already around your neck. ~Jalal-Uddin Rumi As she knotted the reins and took her stand, the horse's soul came into her hand, and up from the mouth that held the steel came an innermost word, half thought, half feel.~paraphrased, John Masefield Fly Without Wings www.flywithoutwings.net Gestalt Practitioner www.gestaltcleveland.org The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Victor....
This message is from: Frederick J Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Griet, No words can soften the hurt nor heal the hole in your heart. Only time. Carry your memories in a sacred place in your heart. It is my belief that we will meet our loved ones, be they relatives or cherished animal friends, .some day. Please know that all of us grieve with you. Most all of us have been thru this. Your duty, now, is to the living. Life must go on. Sadly written, Fred All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington 98396 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
