RE: fjordhorse-digest V2009 #83
This message is from: "Willows Edge Farm" Emily must have a Mac...they are smart and do the work when the rest of us click and hold and then DELETE :-) >b. Highlight only the small portion of the posting you want to reply >to, hit "Reply" and you'll just get that tidbit in your email message >to add to and send. >Emily Wigley Corinne Logan Willows Edge Farm __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4026 (20090421) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Import Bashing - Was CEM and Supporting American Fjord Breeders
This message is from: morrisshado...@aol.com Yes a bit touchy.Congrates on your new arrival. My post was not an import bash, but a batch of questions to help understand as a breeder our fjord market and to get more imput from other breeders. Yes it is a free country and you can buy what you want from where you want. A few questions if you don't mind? Are you a breeder? If yes how many foals do you usually have? What was the deciding factor that made you decide to purchase abroad vs hear?We do have thousands of Fjords and many diverse pedigrees? What made that foal more appealing to you? Yes buying in Canada is different from Europe as they are our neighbor.Keeping profits in the USA ( I was being patriotic and proud to help others grow in my own country) Yes my free choice. And yes I am supportive of improving breeding stock with Licensed proven imports. Bonnie Morris WA, Washington Why would one buy from another country? Because it's a free market, we have free choice in the US. God Bless America. You would choose to buy young stock here; I chose to buy young stock overseas. Is this a great country or what? BTW, since keeping the profits in the USA is noted as a goal, I suppose buying young, unproven stock from a Canadian breeder would be verboten as well. Ouch-ka-bibble! Not very neighborly. Do I seem a bit tetchy on this subject? You betcha. It comes along as I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of my young, unproven European stock. Karen in Northern Virginia, still doing the Snoopy happy dance in anticipation of the new arrival. Just a few days left. _ Looking for a fresh way to share Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: What is CEM - imported stock
This message is from: Starfire Farm ruth bushnell wrote: It occurs to me, from this piece that you have shared, that the most comprehensive control of this infectious disease is to STOP European importation, is that not correct? Unfortunately, that is not correct. It has been a problem in the Quarter Horse, Thoroughbred and Standardbred breeding industry, in THIS country, for a number of years. Now, those are pretty All American breeds, yes? Common use of improperly disinfected breeding equipment (phantoms, A.V.s, etc) has served to spread the disease throughout the country. With more and more breeders turning to artificial insemination in a number of breeds, it was perhaps inevitable that it would finally infect our breed. Unfortunate, but inevitable. Therefore, simply stopping importation of foreign horses would not have stopped this from happening. Unless, of course, importation of ALL horses into this country was halted quite a few years ago. I don't think the racing industry would have been happy about that. This message is from: morrisshado...@aol.com With the economic times being the way they are and well train good quality fjords selling for much less than they should be sold. It is also effecting the young untrained (unproven stock). Either not moving or selling for much less . So with that in mind it makes me wonder why one would buy young unproven stock from another country? Because the purchasers liked what they saw in the parents, or liked what they saw in the youngstock themselves and because they could. Also, it is easier to import an animal that is not yet of breeding age. The quarantine takes less time. Frankly, in this more global economy, I think it's cool that some folks are able to bring a variety of stock into this country. Beth -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Import Bashing - Was CEM and Supporting American Fjord Breeders
This message is from: Starfire Farm Karen Keith wrote: Karen in Northern Virginia, still doing the Snoopy happy dance in anticipation of the new arrival. Just a few days left. I was lucky enough to see photos of Karen's new filly. She is GORGEOUS. The others are gorgeous as well. Well worth the wait. Beth -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
round pens
This message is from: sandra church Congratulations on your round pen purchase,Kate. We bought one last spring and I wish I had bought it 30 years ago! It's not the "top of the line" but I figure that it'll last longer than I will. We did discover that the footing cost more than the round pen did. We purchased 2 loads of gravel dust & 1 load of river sand only to discover that we could've done with probably 1 load of gravel dust & 1/2 load of sand...live & learn. Then after heavy rains caused major erosion, we bought wood (2x10x12) to place around the bottom edges to prevent erosion. I'm going to have to listen to my husband complain about my expensive round pen for years to come... Round penning Loki is so much easier on "aging" shoulders (mine, not Loki's) than lounging. Loki would lounge nicely for a few rounds then get a sparkle in his eye & take off, knowing that he is stronger than me. That's when I started "free lounging" him in my large ring but the round pen makes everything easier. My trainer uses the round pen to work my PMU mare & she's now graduating to the larger ring. But when the large ring is too slippery to use, the footing in the round pen is fine for riding or training. I can now work the horses even after heavy rains! Now if only indoor arenas were affordable... Enjoy your fjords! Sandra & Loki _ Windows Live Hotmail®: more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_more_042009 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Import Bashing - Was CEM and Supporting American Fjord Breeders
This message is from: Karen Keith Gee, it's a good thing the Morgan breeders didn't cop an anti-import attitude back in the 50s when the first Fjords were coming to America. I can see the Morgan people saying, "Hey, whaddaya need a European all-purpose horse for when we've got the American equivalent right here," at least if you believe the Marguerite Henry "Justin Morgan Had a Horse" story. > > It occurs to me, from this piece that you have shared, that the most > comprehensive > control of this infectious disease is to STOP European importation, is that > not correct? > > After all, every Fjord horse on the planet has an indisputably common > ancestry. Therefore, one Fjord is the same as the next, I guess. > So with that in mind it makes me >wonder why one would buy young unproven stock from another country? >When we have plenty to sell here in our own country? I can understand >buying a licensed proven breeding animal that is used to improve the >current stock, but if I were to buy young stock I would also like to >see the my fellow breeders gain from it and keep some of the profits in >the USA. Why would one buy from another country? Because it's a free market, we have free choice in the US. God Bless America. You would choose to buy young stock here; I chose to buy young stock overseas. Is this a great country or what? BTW, since keeping the profits in the USA is noted as a goal, I suppose buying young, unproven stock from a Canadian breeder would be verboten as well. Ouch-ka-bibble! Not very neighborly. Do I seem a bit tetchy on this subject? You betcha. It comes along as I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of my young, unproven European stock. BTW, untrimmed posts don't bother me, so you won't see me cranky about that. Karen in Northern Virginia, still doing the Snoopy happy dance in anticipation of the new arrival. Just a few days left. _ Looking for a fresh way to share photos? Get the new Windows Live Messenger. http://download.live.com/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Trimming Posts
This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" I had not thought of this before, but if I set Outlook to delete the whole previous message when I can reply, I can then copy any part of the previous message I want to preserve, and then hit Reply, and then paste the saved portion of the previous message into the new one. That solves the trigger finger problem (which I have been guilty of more than once.) But it still allows for creating continuity in your message. The only thing it does not do is mark the old message with those little arrows. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: How to trim an old message when replying...
This message is from: Steve McIlree Sally A. Kjorsvig wrote: My apologies to the list, I did not think one E-mail could create such an uproarIf I do post anything on the list again which I doubt, I will be more careful. It's not just one E-mail, Sally. Yours was simply the latest of a string of many over the past several weeks. Before I said anything it had reached the point that the majority of replies were being posted untrimmed. As you can see from the comments by Digest subscribers the untrimmed replies are enough to make folks think about dropping off the List. Please don't feel you have to refrain from posting in the future. Just read the suggestions that people are offering on how to trim replies, and remember to do it on your next posts. -- Steve McIlree Owner/Administrator FjordHorse List Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: How to trim an old message when replying...
This message is from: Genie Dethloff This message is from: "Sally A. Kjorsvig" My apologies to the list, I did not think one E-mail could create such an uproar. Don't take it personally, you were just writing to the list in the middle of a hot time for this topic. I do the same as you in personal emails that go directly between two people who are interested parties in the conversation. the list can be different because all sorts of people are commenting on different parts of the same message. Please stay with us - we need those dedicated to grey fjords, my personal favorite. -- Genie Dethloff and Pjoska Killingworth, Connecticut Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Duplicating Every. Single. Post.
This message is from: Karen McCarthy Gosh Steve, I don't know if you have ever read or subscribed the the Recreational Driving List but that is surely one hell hole for untrimmed messages. I still subscribe to it, but only delve in to sort out a thread that is particularly enticing 'cause my eyes get such a workout. It would definitely put Gail's shoulder out for good! What kind of editing/controls are used? I might suggest that they try setting that up. Kmac ... in scorching central Oregon, yup, from the freezer to the oven folks! My tulip blooms lasted all of one day. That's (1) day, then dust :: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon :: http://www.picturetrail.com/weegees Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: How to trim an old message when replying...
This message is from: "Sally A. Kjorsvig" My apologies to the list, I did not think one E-mail could create such an uproar. I have posted twice to the Fjord list, have not read about trimimg messages. The first time was because of a problem with Hot Mail, and now to say thank you to Green Valley for their message able CEMI do understand about rereading past messages but had not thought about deleting or trimming. When I answer e-mail it is usually about a horse for sale, and I like to maintain the previous message so that I can answer questions. If I do post anything on the list again which I doubt, I will be more careful. Sally - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:35 PM Subject: How to trim an old message when replying... This message is from: "coy...@acrec.com" > ...What e-mail program do you use?... Tom is using Microsoft Outlook. so does Sally Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
trimming posts
This message is from: "Claudia" I usually just create a new email to the Fjord List instead of using the 'reply' button. Then I can refer to the subject I'm addressing. That way I think the risk of unintentionally sending untrimmed posts is avoided. Claudia in WI Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: From the List Admin: READ THIS (or else)
This message is from: Steve McIlree plumg...@pon.net wrote: Not to mention the fact that replying to the digest and not trimming means duplicating every single post in that digest...including the ones that were already not trimmed. Actually, that is something that never happens here. I've set up rules so the List server can recognize that particular evil and the offending message is rejected. -- Steve Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: What is CEM
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" This message is from: "Green Valley Farm" "Stallions are symptom-free carriers of the bacterium Taylorella equigenitalis.> CEM is considered a foreign animal disease in the United States. It was first discovered in Europe in 1977, and countries known to be affected include Norway, Holland, Denmark and Germany." When Green Valley Farm received this information, we immediately decided to be pro active and transparent. > Howard & Sophie Fiedler YOUR TRANSPARENCY is MOST commendable.. KUDO's and best wishes to Green Valley! It occurs to me, from this piece that you have shared, that the most comprehensive control of this infectious disease is to STOP European importation, is that not correct? After all, every Fjord horse on the planet has an indisputably common ancestry. Ruthie, nw mt US Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
The Register-Herald, Beckley, West Virginia -
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How to trim an old message when replying...
This message is from: "coy...@acrec.com" > ...What e-mail program do you use?... Tom is using Microsoft Outlook. Most email software programs are similar in how you trim an old message. Here's how: Click the Reply button as you normally do to reply to a particular message. When the window appears for you to type your new message, first look for the text of the old message. The old message will often be a few lines below where your cursor is blinking. Decide what text in the old message that you do not want to send with your reply. Good manners suggests trimming the old text to the bare minimum -- keep just enough to make your point. Click at the beginning of the text you want to delete. This should make your cursor (the blinking upright line) appear at that point. Hold the mouse button down and drag your cursor to the end of the text you want to delete. This will select that text. The text is selected correctly if the color behind the selected text (the "background" color) changes, usually from white to blue. Press the Delete key on your keyboard. The selected text should disappear. If it does not, try again -- sometimes a little practice is needed to get the hang of selecting and deleting text. Repeat the process of selecting and deleting text until you have only the parts of the old message that you want to include with your reply. Move your cursor back to the top of your message window -- somewhere in the blank white space above the quote you have created -- and type your reply as you usually do. Hint: It may be easier to remember to trim if you form the habit of trimming BEFORE you reply. If you do not want the old message ever to be included in your replies, you can turn this feature off. Here is how to do this in Outlook: Start Outlook. Look at the top of the Outlook window. You should see a row of words starting with FILE, EDIT, etc. Move your cursor to TOOLS and click on that word. A menu (list) will appear below TOOLS. Click on OPTIONS. A window will appear with tabs at the top. Click on the PREFERENCES tab. In the Preferences window, click on EMAIL OPTIONS. In the section "On replies and forwards", look for "When replying to a messsage". Change the setting from "Include original message text" to "Do not include original message". I use Thunderbird all the time, Outlook quite often, and I can get around okay in Outlook Express, so if someone needs help with these programs, holler. --DeeAnna Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: trimming posts
This message is from: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Eike_Sch=F6n-Petersen?= Alright, Steve! --- I get the digest in the compiled form and sometimes just give up on the never ending quotes. Thanks for the great job you are doing for all of us, including the international community that tends to lurk. Eike from Germany Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Supporting American Fjord Breeders?
This message is from: morrisshado...@aol.com With the economic times being the way they are and well train good quality fjords selling for much less than they should be sold. It is also effecting the young untrained (unproven stock). Either not moving or selling for much less . So with that in mind it makes me wonder why one would buy young unproven stock from another country? When we have plenty to sell here in our own country? I can understand buying a licensed proven breeding animal that is used to improve the current stock, but if I were to buy young stock I would also like to see the my fellow breeders gain from it and keep some of the profits in the USA.It would be a great accomplishment if foren markets could be developed better to purchase American stock? As I had a conversation with one of the NFHR committee members and asked their opinion of the quality of our stock verses the stock from overseas. Wether it was better or not.Well to sum it up we have excellent stock. It would be nice to hear other breeders thoughts on improving and promoting the sales of our young stock, so that our breeding stock can actually continue to be bred and be productive. I have seen talk on here about breeders not breeding this year. I suppose that has its pros and cons. Bonnie Morris In finally sunny and now to hot western WA :0) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: From the List Admin: READ THIS (or else)
This message is from: Genie Dethloff I don't understand why we can't delete the whole previous message unless you want to emphasize something someone else said. If the person reads the digest, the previous text is there. If you read individual messages chances are you already know what the previous message said or you can follow the trail back. I often have to go back to the first message to see what it is about if I took a break from reading and didn't start with the oldest message first. If people would change the subject title to a new post, not just reply to a previous if they are going off on a tangent, then the subject would let the person know what the post is about and that the topic has changed. Just my two cents worth. -- Genie Dethloff and Pjoska Killingworth, Connecticut Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Trimming Posts
This message is from: Emily Wigley On Apr 21, 2009, at 10:59 AM, fjordhorse-digest wrote: I know it's frustrating - believe me, anyone in tech support often wants to string our users up and get a big stick. But I appreciate that it is not intentional. Is this called Customer Pinata? Sorry, couldn't resist! Trimming posts is easy, but is not as easy as hitting "Reply." So, we all need to retrain ourselves to either a. Set up your email program to not include any of the original message in your reply. (Then you CAN just hit reply and the email will be blank to begin with!) b. Highlight only the small portion of the posting you want to reply to, hit "Reply" and you'll just get that tidbit in your email message to add to and send. c. Don't use "Reply," instead use "New Message" or whatever your email program uses to start from scratch, and type in the email address of this wonderful list! d. Read your email before you hit "Send." What a concept! But not an easy one; we're all guilty of hitting "Send" too quickly! It's easy, we have options, and it just takes some practice. Don't they say that it takes doing something 21 times to make it a habit? (We humans are slow!!) Best to all, trimming or not, but hopefully trimming, Emily Emily Wigley Fish Bowl Farm Vashon Island, Washington (206) 463-5473 http://www.fishbowlfarm.com http://biscuitsfarmblog.blogspot.com/ ewig...@mindspring.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: From the List Admin: READ THIS (or else)
This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" What e-mail program do you use? Basically, you hit reply, then go in and delete the text from the old message before you write your own. I think it is best form to put your message above any text you leave from the old message. The only reason to leave any text from the old message is for clarification purposes...to indicate what you are responding to and making it a comprehensible "thread." Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2009 #82
This message is from: Lauren Chumley I, for one, have almost canceled my subscription to this list on more than one occasion due to having to scroll through page after page of untrimmed replies on the Digest. I understand that people do not do this on purpose, but Steve has taken the time on numerous occasions to explain how to trim your replies. Steve I appreciate your crusade to keep this Digest clean and concise! And thank you Kate for your kind offer to help the tech-impaired among us! Lauren Chumley Silke Rembacz Dressage Currently Fjord-less in Wellington, FL and soon to be heading north to NJ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2009 #82
This message is from: "igs4me tds.net" Steve wrote: Maybe we should have an open discussion here about just why people can't seem to extend this little courtesy to the rest of us on the List. I just assume that people are hitting the "send" button a little too quickly. An understandable mistake, but it has been happening A LOT lately. I've gotten digests that are 95% repeats of old stuff, and it can be really hard to tell what is new and what is old. I usually just give up and delete the whole digest unread. It would be nice if folks took the time to re-read their posts (grammar is important too!) and to trim before they hit "send". Julie in Madison Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Small Farmers Journal Auction
This message is from: "jerry friz" I just want to thank Karen for the results of the auction. I always wanted to attend the auction, and have never been able to...[I need to rearrange my priorities] That part of Oregon, [central] still has a few farmers using horsepower, I would suspect that the SMJ, [Small Farmers Journal] has something to do with it. Sounds like someone got a real buy with Joel's, ponies. And hope Larry was able to find a home for Grayson. Now, is the time to buy anything, prices are at an all time low. Regards, Jerry Friz, Anderson,Ca. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: From the List Admin: READ THIS (or else)
This message is from: "jerry friz" " This message is from: Steve McIlree What is it that is so hard to comprehend? - Steve, thank you for working on a solution to this. [ I wore my delete key out] If I can trim a message, then anyone can. [it's funny how everyone has an excuse] My 2 cents worth Regards, Jerry Friz, Anderson,Ca. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2009 #82
This message is from: crystal...@aol.com In a message dated 4/21/09 1:21:18 PM, owner-fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com writes: > Come on folks, those of you who are tired of scrolling through untrimmed > replies > on the Digest, speak up now. > sick to death of it. laurie ** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621490x1201450102/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668 072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter421NO62) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: From the List Admin: READ THIS (or else)
This message is from: "Tom Rounsville" How do you trim? -Original Message- From: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com [mailto:owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com] On Behalf Of Steve McIlree Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 1:24 PM To: FHL Subject: From the List Admin: READ THIS (or else) This message is from: Steve McIlree What is it that is so hard to comprehend? I ranted on just yesterday about trimming replies. I threatened loss of posting privileges. And yet, just minutes ago, a reply showed up in my In Box which contained the entire message to which it was replying. Maybe we should have an open discussion here about just why people can't seem to extend this little courtesy to the rest of us on the List. Although it is not Fjord horse related, I will welcome such a discussion until such time as everyone understands what is wrong with untrimmed replies. In addition, anyone who doesn't know how to trim their replies should feel free to ask now. Chances are that someone here is using the same email software and can tell you exactly what to do. Come on folks, those of you who are tired of scrolling through untrimmed replies on the Digest, speak up now. Those of you who are unclear how to trim your replies, ask for help now. We are going to start having all replies trimmed, even if I have to shut off posting privileges to half the List. -- Steve McIlree Owner/Administrator FjordHorse List Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re:"what is CEM"
This message is from: foxxri...@aol.com WHAT IS CEM ? Contagious Equine Metritis Kudos to Sophie and Howard for the class and professionalism they have shown in dealing with the recent CEM issues. Their prompt attention to alerting and educating those of us who had bred to Fernando helped get us started quickly with testing and treatment. We at Fox Ridge Fjords look forward to many years of successful breeding seasons with their quality stallions. Our yearling son of Fernando is proof of that quality! Sheila Tweedie Fox Ridge Fjords **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621490x1201450102/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter421NO62) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Trimming quotes
This message is from: Linda Lehnert I get my FH List every day in digest form and I don't understand why people have to quote from a previous message. The List from the previous day is always in my deleted messages file if I want to refer to it. Even I can remember what a message was about the next day or two and I'm not getting any younger! Just my 2 Euro cents worth. Linda in Guben _ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&m kt=en-us Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Re: From the List Admin: READ THIS (or else)
This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" Not to mention the fact that replying to the digest and not trimming means duplicating every single post in that digest...including the ones that were already not trimmed. There must be some kind of exponential duplication that happens when people reply to the digest without trimming. Gail The majority of people here are subscribed to the Digest format, and scrolling past replies which contain full quotations is beyond frustrating. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: From the List Admin: READ THIS (or else)
This message is from: Steve McIlree katesei...@aol.com wrote: ... People rarely do these types of things intentionally with the > purpose of being discourteous. In fact, I would say that most people do not do it knowingly, or have any idea they are doing it... I understand this. However that doesn't let them off the hook. If folks are smart enough to live with a Fjord horse they are smart enough to learn this. They are doing to start trimming their replies on this list or I'm going to shut them off. The majority of people here are subscribed to the Digest format, and scrolling past replies which contain full quotations is beyond frustrating. It is a matter of simple courtesy to trim replies, and I intend to see everyone here respecting the comfort of everyone else. -- Steve McIlree Owner/Administrator FjordHorse List Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: From the List Admin: READ THIS (or else)
This message is from: Heather Baskey Hello from an Offender of not trimming messages. Although, I have been in good graces for a few days, I will explain the errors of my ways. Unfortunately, I get so excited about a topic and/or rush to reply, that I have been rude and have not trimmed messages. I completely understand that excitement or "in a rush" is no excuse. Now, I take the time it takes and calm myself down before that trigger finger inadvertantly hits the send button. Heather who has unintentionally offended the list by being guilty of untrimmed messages and who furthermore is trying her best to relax the trigger finger and ensure only a sentence or two remains in the screen. ~~ What is it that is so hard to comprehend? -- Steve McIlree Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: From the List Admin: READ THIS (or else)
This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" One thing that might help is to have folks try subscribing to the digest for a while. When they do, they will realize how it makes the list almost impossible to read if people do not trim posts. I had to give up on digests because the tendon in my "mouse arm" was in bad shape...making my frozen shoulder problems much, much worse. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: round pen
This message is from: "Cherie Mascis" my round pen is now the official "diet pen" and it is >a Fjord lifesaver here in Florida where the green grass >grows year round. If anyone is looking for a portable, electric round-pen (not electrified when used as a round pen) also good for travel or to rotate them to different areas of the pasture, look at the Grazier ones. They are pricier than a lot of the portable pens but much sturdier and still easy to set up. http://www.graziersystem.com/details/ Cherie Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: From the List Admin: READ THIS (or else)
This message is from: katesei...@aol.com I do a lot of tech support. People rarely do these types of things intentionally with the purpose of being discourteous. In fact, I would say that most people do not do it knowingly, or have any idea they are doing it, even if they've been told. I know it's frustrating - believe me, anyone in tech support often wants to string our users up and get a big stick. But I appreciate that it is not intentional. Hopefully our disgruntled readers will switch to the webview before becoming so irate they leave the list, or before my techno-impaired "peeps" get banned!! If any of you are unsure whether or how to reply, please don't hesitate to contact me directly at _katesei...@aol.com_ (mailto:katesei...@aol.com) . I am sure I need to penance for being mean to my own users at work!! Kate In a message dated 4/21/2009 1:28:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, st...@carriagehorse.com writes: Maybe we should have an open discussion here about just why people can't seem to extend this little courtesy to the rest of us on the List. Although it is not Fjord horse related, I will welcome such a discussion until such time as everyone understands what is wrong with untrimmed replies **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621490x1201450102/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter421NO62) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
From the List Admin: READ THIS (or else)
This message is from: Steve McIlree What is it that is so hard to comprehend? I ranted on just yesterday about trimming replies. I threatened loss of posting privileges. And yet, just minutes ago, a reply showed up in my In Box which contained the entire message to which it was replying. Maybe we should have an open discussion here about just why people can't seem to extend this little courtesy to the rest of us on the List. Although it is not Fjord horse related, I will welcome such a discussion until such time as everyone understands what is wrong with untrimmed replies. In addition, anyone who doesn't know how to trim their replies should feel free to ask now. Chances are that someone here is using the same email software and can tell you exactly what to do. Come on folks, those of you who are tired of scrolling through untrimmed replies on the Digest, speak up now. Those of you who are unclear how to trim your replies, ask for help now. We are going to start having all replies trimmed, even if I have to shut off posting privileges to half the List. -- Steve McIlree Owner/Administrator FjordHorse List Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: What is CEM
This message is from: "Sally A. Kjorsvig" Thank you for printing this message about CEM, I do read alot of the messages and print out the ones that I feel I learn from. I had not heard of CEM until it came up on the list. To be able to print it out and understand what it means is a great educational tool for me. I'm glad to hear that you have everything under control and mares are all fine. We use our Stallions only for our own mares, but it is great to learn about CEM. Thank you again for posting the message. Sally Kjorsvig - Original Message - From: "Green Valley Farm" To: Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 5:28 PM Subject: What is CEM This message is from: "Green Valley Farm" WHAT IS CEM ? Contagious Equine Metritis "According to Gluck researchers (The Gluck Equine Research Center, College of Agriculture at the University Kentucky), CEM is a sexually transmitted disease that only affects members of the equine family. It does not present an immediate risk of spread to the general horse population as long as state and federal regulations are followed. The disease can only be transmitted by sexual contact and is most frequently spread when a stallion breeds a mare. It may also be transmitted through artificial insemination or contact with contaminated hands or any objects that have been in contact with the genitalia of infected stallions or mares. Stallions are symptom-free carriers of the bacterium Taylorella equigenitalis. Infected mares can develop inflammation of the reproductive tract, which can result in temporary infertility. Researchers said there are no reports of transmission of infection to pregnant mares except at the time of breeding. Only two confirmed cases of abortion due to this bacterium have been reported in the past 30 years. CEM can be treated effectively with a wide range of disinfectants and antibiotics. Strict hygiene should be observed after contact with horses that test positive for Taylorella equigenitalis. CEM is not known to be transmissible to humans." The transmission rate is high and naturally occurs by mating, but contaminated instruments and equipment may be an indirect source of infecting mares and stallions. The bacteria can also be spread via semen collected for artificial insemination. State and federal animal health personnel have conducted the investigation by examining the breeding records and movement history of each infected horse to find other exposed animals. At each step, any exposed animals are quarantined, tested and treated. Owners of exposed animals are contacted by state or federal animal health officials. There is no need for them to have their animals tested if they have not been contacted. CEM is considered a foreign animal disease in the United States. It was first discovered in Europe in 1977, and countries known to be affected include Norway, Holland, Denmark and Germany. When Kastanjegardens Fernando was imported from Denmark in 2000 he completed his six weeks of quarantine and was certified CEM negative. The Illinois Department of Agriculture notified Green Valley Farm in March, 2009 that Fernando was possibly exposed to a bacterial infection in 2005 at a breeding facility in Wisconsin. He was tested and found positive and is undergoing the extensive CEM treatment protocol and will be released after demonstrating he tests negative for the disease. When Green Valley Farm received this information, we immediately decided to be pro active and transparent. We have taken the immediate steps, complied with all government requests for breeding information and are voluntarily proceeding with testing all of our breeding mares and stallions. It is our goal to once again have a CEM free breeding farm, educate other breeders and to help eradicate CEM from all equine breeds. We wish to thank all of our Fjord friend and clients for their support, understanding and encouragement. We will keep our Fjord community updated with important information. We were about to send this article just as we received an important update. We tested 5 mares who had been bred to Fernando by live cover from 2001 to 2005 and then three of the mares with frozen semen from 2005 through 2008. These five mares were cultured three times over a period of two weeks and we just received the wonderful news that all five mares have tested negative. This probably tell us that Fernando did not have CEM before 2005 and that the bacteria was not passed through the frozen semen used from 2005 through 2008 Sincerely, Howard & Sophie Fiedler Green Valley Farm If you would like more information the following are good sources: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/newsroom/hot_issues/cem/index.shtml http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=13279 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links:
round pen
This message is from: bbd...@aol.com Hello: Bonnie Dobson here in Floridaowned by two amazing fjordhorses, Thor and Stine Gutten. Katemy round pen is now the official "diet pen" and it is a Fjord lifesaver here in Florida where the green grass grows year round. I consider it to be one of the best investments I've ever made! Thor is fine with a grazing muzzle but Stine Gutten has never been able to deal with it. They now accept their schedulemornings out to graze, afternoons in the round pen and nights in the stable. Easy keepers are not exactly easy to keep! Kind regards to all: Bonnie **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621490x1201450102/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter421NO62) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Collectors
This message is from: Genie Dethloff We had bought land in Michigan in the start of a small horse community that was adjacent to a long standing one. Due to job instability we sold the land and never built there. A month after we sold, my husband's company closed it's facility in Ann Arbor and we had to move, phew!. When we moved to Connecticut I had hoped to find a horse community like in Tryon to live in but there were none here. We are considering buying into a community in Tryon for retirement. I have had two negative boarding experiences here, facilities and trainers that did not meet my horse's needs and am so frustrated. Soon I start the search for a new trainer and facility and have thought about trying to rent a horse farm and do a co-op barn. I would manage the business end, but not live there and have a live in farm manager. People would pay board depending on how many hours of care they wanted to provide. We would have a trainer come in for lessons or find a combined live in trainer manager. Nice dream! I am currently without a horse to care for so I can take my time in finding the right set-up, whether it be a trainer who owns a facility or setting up one. Unfortunately, there are very few indoor arenas here. The terrain is very hilly and rocky and you have to blast out for level areas. There are tons of small backyard horse barns, many right off the state forest trail system, but few have even good outdoor arenas. There are better areas for horse farms but they are more of a drive from home. If I could afford it, I would buy a farm that had enough land that several home sites could be developed and a small horse community could be developed with like minded people. Lots would be small with most land for common use. People would have the option of backyard boading or boarding in the central facility. My only fear of this kind of set-up is that you might have people buy in whose riding and horse care philosophies don't mesh with yours, even though you thought they would, or they sell to someone else who doesn't fit in. Now you are stuck with sharing facilities with them. It is bad enough if you have neighbors whose habits you don't like, but when you board your horses together it could get real bad. My husband is very supportive of horse communities because he wouldn't have to be a "full time" farmer. We could watch and enjoy the horses from the house without being responsible for all of the care of the farm. Food for thought for the future. This message is from: Melinda Schumacher I am totally in favor of a horse community where all that land is for horse pastures and the club house is the barn/arena complex where competent people look after the animals and *esp* the manure! We could live in condos or garden homes that are beautifully landscaped and someone else takes care of all the mowing, pruning, show removal, etc. -- Genie Dethloff and Pjoska Killingworth, Connecticut Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Trimming Replies -- AGAIN!!
This message is from: "Beth Pulsifer" -> You've got it exactly right Beth! Give the lady a Gold Star! -- Gee thanks!!! :) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Round Pens
This message is from: katesei...@aol.com Because apparently I have nothing better to do than basically wad my money up and throw it in the street, I have decided I can no longer survive without a round pen. No, really - since I'm apparently too afraid to ride any more, I spend a LOT of time working on the ground and it's a good investment. Really. I thought I'd pass on some of the research I did in pricing in case someone else is interested. These are low end round pens, because I am not starting colts and did not need the biggest, baddest around. 60' round pen, 6' wide ride through gate, galvanized steel tube panels 12' long, 5'3" high. Price includes shipping where appropriate (except Tractor Supply which was pickup) Tractor Supply - $2,144 _www.mckinleyenterprises.com_ (http://www.mckinleyenterprises.com/) - $1,854 RoundPens4Less - $1,089 _www.c-siron.com_ (http://www.c-siron.com/) - $1,725 + shipping (haven't gotten their shipping quote yet) _www.bairdgate.com_ (http://www.bairdgate.com) - $1,395 (this one had rounded corners, not so good) I ended up buying one locally from an auction guy about an hour from me that I located on craigslist.com - total price and delivery is $950. It will be delivered next week and I am sure the ponies will be just as excited as I am!! Kate with Della and Joe (who find it lots of fun to have me free lunge them in our acre+ pasture which requires much waddling at high speeds on my part) **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621490x1201450102/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter421NO62) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Marketing success story
This message is from: katesei...@aol.com Corinne, this sounds like a wonderful and exhausting event. Knowing what a horse nut I was as a kid, I guess I should never be surprised at how overwhelmingly popular pony rides are - especially when they are Fjords! I particularly get a kick out of the adults who sneak in for rides !! Kate In a message dated 4/20/2009 11:58:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, i...@willowsedgefarm.com writes: We wanted to do this cool thing: offer pony rides on all Norwegian Fjord horses and use all the proceeds to benefit one of the local horse rescues **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621490x1201450102/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter421NO62) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
