Helmets, adjustments...rt
This message is from: Eileen Perry empe...@pocketinet.com I didn't see anyone mention helmet adjustments, so I thought I'd chime in here...Years ago, helmets were sold by hat size and at best you could add some foam inserts. The new sports helmets have an adjustable inside suspension harness to fit your head,usually with some type of dial or ratchet on the back. I was told to check the fit by seeing if the helmet would slide off the head w/o the chin strap (it shouldn't) , or if the scalp moves with the helmet (it should). Hopefully someone who sells tack can elaborate... Cheers from Oz, Eileen Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Helmets
This message is from: Lisa l...@lisadesigns.com I live in Pure Cowboy Country. NOBODY here wears a helmet, nobody except myself and my kids. We are ridiculed quite often for wearing helmets, but I won't budge. I grew up with a very ornery pony that bucked me off constantly -- this was back in New England, everyone wore helmets there, even in the 70s. My helmet saved my life numerous times. I was bucked off into stone walls, stepped on in the head --everything you can think of. On the other hand, a neighbor just down the road from me was kicked in the head when handling a stallion and the neighbor died. This happened about 2 years ago. The stallion was supposedly easy to handle. I saw the life-flight helicopter fly over my house and take him away. A helmet may have saved his life. We also had a big story here about a little girl riding a horse during the stock-show -- I think she was three or four. Fell off in a soft arena, no helmet, and now she is brain damaged. Again, on the annual wagon ride, there was a gentleman who took a spill, no helmet, and was killed by the fall. I continue to wear my helmet, and proudly, in spite of the remarks I get. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Fjord Research Receives Grant from Murray State University
This message is from: robin.holl...@murraystate.edu robin.holl...@murraystate.edu Dear Fjord Digest A little over a month ago I wrote a post regarding a research study that I am conducting on the inheritance of white markings in the Norwegian Fjord. In the post I mentioned that we submitted a grant proposal to Murray State University and were awaiting results. This post is to inform the Fjord community that we have officially received funding from the Murray State University Undergraduate Research and Scholarly Activities (URSA) office for our research on the Fjord. Upon review of our proposal, professors from the University had some remarks, those of which I would like to address with the Fjord community. The largest concern was data collection. Many reviewers were concerned with the quality and quantity of data to be obtained through the surveys, being that this is a sensitive issue for owners, breeders, and/or trainers. Therefore, I would like to reemphasize a few points in regards to the surveys. Please fill out a survey for as many Fjords that you know of and can be confident of in their markings. It is not a requirement that you have owned the horse. If there is a Fjord that is owned by a friend, neighbor, family member, or another individual, you can submit a survey for that horse. It is beneficial to our study that we have multiple surveys on one horse. If we are looking through a pedigree, and we see that a horse (who was not documented as having white) has five surveys all saying that he has a small white star, then we have very high confidence that the individual has white, which is extremely important in analyzing the pedigrees. If you know of a horse that has white that you have not seen in a while and are unsure about the exact size and/or location, go ahead a complete a survey, and make a note explaining the situation. Also remember, that thorough documentation of a Fjord NOT having white is equally important in knowing that a horse has white. True, the study is on the inheritance of white markings, but we must know with as high of confidence as possible that a horse does not have white to see the overall inheritance pattern. And finally, remember that these surveys will NOT be made public. If you submit a survey on a horse that you have not owned, we will NOT contact the owner informing them that you have done so. All surveys will remain completely confidential. As we collect them, we will compare and analyze the data. Some individuals might worry about a dishonesty issue (someone possibly submitting a survey saying your Fjord has white when they do not), whether it was simply on accident or not. We realize that accidents happen, and therefore we will analyze ALL the data collected and take into account all possibilities. For example, if we receive five surveys saying a Fjord has white and one saying he does not, then we will look closer for any additional variations and possibly contact the individuals who submitted the survey for a follow up discussion on the horse. Once again, the more surveys we receive, the more confidence we will have that our results are as accurate as possible. Surveys may be obtained from our website at: http://www.murraystate.edu/fjord_horse/ under Survey Form. You may print out the form, complete it, and send it to us by: Mailing it to: Fjord Study Department of Biology Murray State University Murray, KY 42071 Faxing it to: 270-809-2788 Or if you have a scanner, you can scan it as an image/document, and email it to: everett.we...@murraystate.edu We are currently looking into having an online submission form, either through Google Documents, or possibly on our website. We honestly and truly appreciate any information you can provide us with. If you have ANY questions, comments or concerns, please feel free to contact either myself (robin.holl...@murraystate.edu) or Dr. Everett Weber (everett.we...@murraystate.edu) and we will be more than happy to help in any way possible. Thank you! Robin L Holland 8510 Springer Hall Murray KY 42071 815/858-4042 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Helmets, adjustments...rt
This message is from: plumg...@pon.net plumg...@pon.net I was sort of hoping that the scalp must move rule could be avoided if one had a helmet that came down over the back of the neck...like the Tipperary. My theory is the more encompassing shape of the Tipperary means the helmet stays in place better. The helmets that have moved my scalp have hurt and given me headaches. If the scalp must move rule is about not having any travel space for the head when head and helmet hit the ground (such that both hit at the same time) I can see that the rule would still apply. If it is about keeping the helmet in place...I would hope I could fudge a little in that realm? Gail I was told to check the fit by seeing if the helmet would slide off the head w/o the chin strap (it shouldn't) , or if the scalp moves with the helmet (it should). Hopefully someone who sells tack can elaborate... Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Helmets
This message is from: jerry friz jf...@com-pair.net Lisa, I am with you 100 percent, yes, I have seen the fools with no helmuts die. Jerry. I live in Pure Cowboy Country. NOBODY here wears a helmet, nobody except myself and my kids. I continue to wear my he lmet, and proudly, in spite of the remarks I get. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
making fudge ?
This message is from: pedfjo...@aol.com I dont know about the attempt to fudge a helmet fit. Is that like being sort of pregnant ? Maybe it would only result in a little brain damage instead of alot. Drooling, but still able to wipe it off yourself. during the Nurse's lunch break. Diapers, but maybe just those Huggies Pull Ups ? A Halo, but only screwed into the front of your skull ? Hm. ; ) Lisa Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Helmets
This message is from: Barbara middleagespr...@rconnects.com Greetings from Middleage Spread, Nine years ago when we bought our two fjords we did not know any thing about horses or how to ride. We hired a trainer and were told by both the trainer and the stable owner where we were boarding that we could not ride without boots with heels and a helmet. A year later went we went out for our first solo ride without our trainer riding on a path along a hay field, my sweet (but known to spook) Biscuit did a little dance ending with a buck that tossed me over her head, as I was looking down on her ears I thought, Well I can let go of the reins now. Helmet was cracked. So yes we wear helmets always. Simple reason is not so much about ourself but that we have made a promise to our horses that we will do what ever we can to see to it that they are always taken care of. I want to make a poster for our barn, just a simple photo of a helmet with the caption underneath GOT BRAINS Barb Middleage Spread Eagle Creek OR. Overcast 55 F 13 days to go to retirement ! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
hmmmm, that dead elephant again
This message is from: pedfjo...@aol.com Regarding random white markings in Fjord horses : Congrats Robin, BTW on getting the funding to study this issue ! I have a couple of questions. Can anyone tell me of a bloodline thats been prolific in N. America, say for the last 30 years or sothat does NOT have any random white markings in their prodigy ? Stars, snips, blazes, spots, feet, socks, hoofs ? Andif I understand Phill Oddens article correctly, it take both parents to pass along that trait ? Thanks anyone for shedding light / white here.Lisa Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: hmmmm, that dead elephant again
This message is from: plumg...@pon.net plumg...@pon.net Lisa...go to the website where the form is. There is a chart there that shows the trait is dominant...and only takes one parent. However, it is an incomplete dominant (they used another name, which is undoubtedly more correct), in that it skips generations. That much they know. You SHOULD fill out this form, instead of being defensive, as I doubt it is going to compromise any great old bloodlines. One thing they may find out is which lines carry bigger white patches...or white patches in certain places...since the white is characterized by (1) where it is (2) how much there is and what pattern and (3) whether it is dominant or recessive. And probably some other characteristics that the study designers know much better than I. So...get thee to the website and fill out the forms. (Claylee's Gunthar has a tiny white Ermine mark on one foot.) Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Re: fjordhorse-digest V2009 #198
This message is from: plumg...@pon.net plumg...@pon.net Sohow does a little white beget a lot of white??? Or maybe it doesn't??? That would be something to learn from the study. Like...how big can that star get before you should not even breed that mare with the white star. Etc. oh yes, Gail, I agree, no reason to be defensive at all. Studies are just that.to study. I also agree about more white worse ( ?? ) than less white. A small star on a mare is different than a white blaze or 4 big socks on a stallion. So, does any big line NOT have white in their offspring ? That is what you would find out from the study Lisa. Get thee to the study page and start filling out surveys. http://www.murraystate.edu/fjord_horse/ My mistake on both parents needing to carry the genes. I will have to read Phills article again. Read a few things at the site as well. This...about dominance, recessive, variable expression and incomplete penetrance. http://www.murraystate.edu/fjord_horse/ And this at the same site, about incomplete penetrance of white in Fjords. http://www.murraystate.edu/fjord_horse/ NOw go fill out those forms! Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Vestlandshest Fall Newsletter deadline is Oct. 10
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA cheryl...@sbcglobal.net Hi Karen Got your message, and I deleted it accidentally. Could you give me your phone #? Or,You can email me the amount you need for the check, who to make it out to, where to send, etc. Hope all is well. Fallbrook Silver Spurs is having a show this coming Sunday...not sure if I will make it, my dad is coming down..sounds like a lot of fun and mostly YOUNG riders...I wouldn't have a chance! Fun anyway! Cheryl --- On Mon, 10/5/09, reviv...@thegrid.net reviv...@thegrid.net wrote: From: reviv...@thegrid.net reviv...@thegrid.net Subject: Vestlandshest Fall Newsletter deadline is Oct. 10 To: fjord List fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com, fjordiss...@yahoogroups.com fjordiss...@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 9:23 AM This message is from: reviv...@thegrid.net Hi folks, Just a reminder that the deadline for the Vestlandshest fall newsletter is Saturday, October 10th. This newsletter is the New Arrivals issue, so members - send me your cute baby pictures. Also, members can submit free classified advertisements of horses or horsey items. The fall issue will also have the results and pictures from the July evaluation in Fallbrook. If you would like to join Vestlandshest, your membership dues will cover the rest of 2009 as well as 2010. Contact Cheryl Garnica at cheryl...@sbcglobal.net or me at reviv...@thegrid.net for an application form. Thanks! Karen Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Helmets, adjustments...rt
This message is from: coy...@acrec.com coy...@acrec.com ...I was sort of hoping that the scalp must move rule could be avoided... I could use high school physics (for example KE = 1/2*m*V^^2) to explain, but the bottom line is this: the closer your skull is to the compressive cushioning, the better. The helmet is designed as a one-time energy absorbing cushion between your skull and the ground. It absorbs as much energy from an impact as possible by distorting, crumpling, and breaking up. That means a helmet that fits snugly is better as long as it doesn't hurt. Your skull should contact the cushioning as quick as possible in an accident. The looser the fit, the less energy the helmet will absorb -- which means your head will absorb the energy instead, and the possibility of injury will be exponentially higher. That is why a good, trim fit is so important. It is also important to replace a helmet after an impact, however trivial. If the compressive layer is crushed, compressed, or cracked, the helmet will NOT function properly in a second impact. --DeeAnna Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Fjords for sale in southern Minnesota
This message is from: coy...@acrec.com coy...@acrec.com Kit Davis wrote: A friend of mine (88 year old woman) was recently killed in a horse accident, and her family has asked me to help them in selling her herd of Fjords. She has 8 mares, 7 weanling fillies, and a 2 yr old stallion (well bred and very handsome). They will be priced reasonably as the family wants them sold by winter. There may also be an auction of harness and horse driving equipment. Folks can contact me about these horses; they are also shown on my website -- click on Sales List. Thanks, Kit Davis 218-729-7062 kitda...@rokidaranch.com http://rokidaranch.com/ Please contact Kit directly about these horses. I am forwarding her message to the Fjord Horse list as a courtesy to Kit. I have no personal involvement with or knowledge of the horses. --DeeAnna Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Sheets and blankets
This message is from: Robin Churchill rbc...@yahoo.com At what temperature do most people put a sheet on a clipped horse? How about a blanket? It is usually so hot down here that if it gets below 65 we feel cold but I worry about getting the horses overheated. They are either in the stall at nite or have access to it. They are completely body clipped from about September until February or later depending on the horse. I am asking because we just had our first cold front of the season after 2 weeks of heat index to 108. Last nite it got down in the 50s and will do the same tonite. After having trouble with overheating last week, I am hesitant to put clothes on. Robin Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
helmets
This message is from: Beth Steele fjordsofste...@yahoo.com Ever since I started riding again as an adult, I have ALWAYS worn a helmet when I ride, and also when I'm working on lunging or other groundwork in the round pen. For me it's just like putting on a seatbelt in the car, and I feel naked without it! Several years ago I was in a jumping lesson with Coby, one of my Fjords. We were relaxing, taking a breather and watching another student jump, when her horse kicked a clump of dirt into the side of the indoor arena. The clatter spooked Coby, who jumped out from under me. I landed gently on my rear in the soft footing, sat up and thought to myself oh good, that didn't hurt a bit, when a kick to the side of my helmet knocked me flat. According to the witnesses, Coby was startled by my landing in the dirt, and he kicked up as he ran off. He caught me square in the helmet, and his hoof shattered my Troxel. I can only imagine where I might be now if I hadn't been wearing a helmet. My husband is a sports medicine doctor who specializes in head trauma. He takes care of way too many injured horse people. Needless to say, he tells a lot of his patients my story. Friends often come over to ride with us. While I cannot always convince adults of the importance of wearing a helmet, any kids who spend time around my horses are absolutely required to wear a helmet. It is never an option. My 10 year old daughter was practically born with one on her head, and it is for her that I will forever wear one. Have fun with those Fjords! Beth in balmy MT Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
