Re: Replacing helmets
This message is from: "coy...@acrec.com" ...How do you know all of this stuff? The short answer is I'm a geek. The long answer is I'm a PhD engineer, and I have taught environmental science, technical science, and physics at the local community college. I have also worked in the fields of industrial chemical production, hazardous waste management, plastics manufacturing, and waste treatment. ...Did you call the manufacturer to get this detailed information? No, that really isn't necessary. Information on why and how helmets work is independent of any manufacturer and is fairly easy for anyone to find. A quick Google search tonight turned up this decent article that covers the basics: http://www.bhsi.org/general.htm --DeeAnna Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Fjords at the circus
This message is from: Karen McCarthy Corinne, If you go the pedigree area of the NFHR website, enter: feld entertainment under owner. Of the 4 that appear, I do not know which were the ones that died in the train accident in Ohio. Maybe Patti Jo can help. I looked thru all of the Ringling Bros. websites & shows, for US (2) and Europe (1), and could only see one lonely image of a fjord on a leadline in the pre-show petting area. Did not see them in any of the show images or listed under any acts.They were certainly not listed in the horse breed area. Maybe they are still 'working' them in as an act, also maybe the act they are under is not one of the main acts in the circus heirarchy (yet). :: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon :: http://www.picturetrail.com/weegees > From: cori...@willowsedgefarm.com > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Fjords at the circus > Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:16:26 -0700 > > This message is from: Corinne Logan > > I keep forgetting to ask: Does anyone know of the Fjords that are part of > Ringling Bros circus act? Anyone else seen them? > www.willowsedgefarm.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Replacing helmets
This message is from: laura fisher Deanna, How do you know all of this stuff? (seriously) I am impressed and you have convinced me to replace my helmet. ( I am cheap)...(and lazy)...I took a bad fall a couple years ago and I know it saved me. On the ground I wear it around the horses and have survived several bad side waps to my head Did you call the manufacturer to get this detailed information? I hope the people who read this are now convinced to replace what at first, seems,( but isn't ) -to be an expensive item- Last year I got wopped in the jaw as my horse grabbed his hoof back and I was very lucky-no broken jaw. Unfortunately my helmet didn't help, but that one trip to the emergency room cost one thousand dollars. Laura :) > Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:31:51 -0500 > From: coy...@acrec.com > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Re: Replacing helmets > > This message is from: "coy...@acrec.com" > > You are comparing apples and oranges. The issue of polystyrene degrading > in a landfill is not related to a helmet keeping its full > impact-cushioning properties after years of normal handling and use. > > A helmet is designed to be a sacrificial safety item. It has to be > fragile enough to crush and deform correctly under the types of impacts > for which it was designed. > > Even during normal use and handling, a helmet will gets slightly flexed > and bumped. Over time, the polystyrene layer can become slightly > compressed and even get tiny surface fractures. Also polystyrene gets > more brittle with exposure to air pollutants and UV light. > > It isn't just the polystyrene layer that is of concern -- the outer > shell and the inner harness are also important. The outer shell spreads > the force of an impact over more area -- very important for the > polystyrene to function correctly to dissipate energy. The inner harness > keeps the helmet correctly in place during an impact. With normal use > and handling and exposure to sunlight and air, these elements will wear > and can become less effective. > > These changes resulting from normal use and time might be small, maybe > not even visible to the naked eye, but they can gradually reduce the > helmet's effectiveness. You need to be reasonably certain that the > helmet you are wearing will work the way it is supposed to work upon > impact, hence the recommendation to replace a helmet after "X" years of use. > > It hasn't come up in this discussion, but I'll also add that motorcycle > helmets or bicycle helmets are not substitutes for horse riding helmets. > Each helmet is designed for particular types of impacts, including the > direction of force and the total force, that are the most common for a > particular activity. --DeeAnna > > Corinne Logan wrote: > > ...my helmets all have styrofoam in them ... that stuff never breaks > > down in our landfills > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Fjord Research Questions Response
This message is from: "robin.holl...@murraystate.edu" Dear Kathy and Willi I honestly have no opinion in whether or not white markings are desirable, I see them as purely a trait that some horses have and I am interested in how they are inherited. I do realize, from conversations with other individuals (in the Fjord community and other equine breed associations) that opinions do arise regarding white markings. I just want to cover all bases, and in case individuals are worried about the trait, I want everyone to know that we respect everyone’s opinions, we realize this may be a sensitive issue for some, and we will do everything to make sure that our data collected and results are as reasonable and correct as possible. Dear Bonnie “Are you referring to white markings with pink skin only?” This is an excellent question, and is one that we have been discussing for quite some time. It might be thought that if a horse has white hair, it also has pink skin, however, we know this is not always the case. At this point of our study, when we refer to white markings, we are not specifying that there must also be pink skin. The main reason we chose this route for the beginning stages of our research is for data collection. We felt it might be asking much more of individuals who have horses with white to determine whether or not they have pink skin. This might sound fairly simple, but if you have a Fjord with a smaller white marking, it becomes more difficult and it is sometimes hard to tell. This issue will definitely be addressed in the later stages of our study, but as of now, please submit a survey for any horse, even if they have white without pink skin (make a note on the survey if this is the case). “As all Fjords have white hairs. Are there certain areas of the body that would be excluded?” I would have to say that no areas of the body are excluded. If the white hairs are near 100% characteristic of the breed, for example having white in the mane/forelock/tail, and some have lighter hairs on the lower leg, then those hairs do not need to be reported. If your horse has white hairs that you do not believe are a “white marking”, go ahead and fill out a survey, describing the hairs in detail, and if you believe you know what they are from. For example, you might have a horse that has white on his neck from a reaction to an injection, or white on their head from old age, or on their back from a saddle/harness not fitting right, or even from an injury. We realize that white hairs arise from a variety of means, and if you submit a survey saying your horse has white hairs on his shoulder, we’re not going to automatically define a new type of marking if all other evidence supports the marking resulting from an injection, injury, wear, age, etc. So if the white hairs are typical of the Fjord (mane, forelock, tail) those do not have to be submitted, but if you have a horse with white hairs on another location, go ahead and submit it, more information is always better than less information in our research. “How much area or hairs counts as a white marking?” It’s hard to define exactly a “white marking”, therefore, for our research, if you see any white hairs/markings, go ahead and submit a survey, just write a description on the markings/hairs and what you believe they might be the result of. “If colored hairs and white hairs are mixed does that count?” Once again, another excellent question. If you look at different breeds of horses that have large white markings over their body, you might notice that between the areas of white and color there is a small “blended” area. I did speak to a molecular biologist professor here at Murray State a while back about areas of depigmentation, and one explanation he offered was a sort of progression of the markings throughout a lineage. Once again, this was a while back and I do not remember exactly the detail s of the inheritance or origination on the cellular scale of these areas. I would say that if the colored hairs and the white hairs are mixed, it would count for this part of our study. Once again, go ahead and submit a survey with a description of the markings. If we receive surveys saying that a Fjord has a few white hairs and the owner is unsure about where they came from, or if they have an area where white hairs and colored hairs are mixed without a solid white area, we will mark them on our pedigree, but we will not compare them directly with individuals who have conclusive white stars, blazes, socks etc. If it comes to a point that it is key for us to know exactly what type of marking an individual has (that has a white hairs/colored hairs combination), we will contact the owner/breeder for more information. I would like to say thank you all so much for your questions, input, and help! This is all so wonderful for the progression of our research! If you have any questions, comments, or concerns, please contact us and we will be more than happy to help! Remember
RE: Helmets Comment #3
This message is from: Cynthia Madden OK, I do have one more comment: When we were forming Zia Carriage Driving Club, we had a big debate about requring helmets. We put in our membership form that all under age 18 would wear helmets whenever horses were present,. We continued to discuss the issue and finally decided that we would require helmets by any participant in a horse related activity. We do make an exception for pleasure shows, but encourage the use of decorated helmets. I know this policy cost us some members...too bad for them. The telling comment for helping us decide to be firm about most events was one of our more senior members, who upon thinking the issue over decided to finally buy a helmet because he wanted to set an example for his grandchildren. They could never say, "why do I have to wear one when you don't?" The other reason is one our primary purposes is to educate our members and safety was of utmost concern. When we have a clinic, we make sure the clinician is aware that he/she will wear a helmet while providing lessons...no exceptions. This has never caused a problem. If everyone is wearing a helmet, no one feels funny wearing one. -- Cynthia Madden Las Cruces, NM cynt...@carriagehorse.com http://www.geocities.com/cmadden88011 No philosophers so thoroughly comprehend us as dogs and horses. ~Herman Melville, Redburn. His First Voyage, 1849 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2009 #200
This message is from: crystal...@aol.com In a message dated 10/20/09 12:23:19 PM, owner-fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com writes: > Anyone have any better answers other than the > > manufacturers need to keep selling helmets? BTW, I totally understand > > replacing after an accident, just not for normal useage. > i would also thing being exposed to chemicals and other such things on the hair would eventually degrade the styrofoam... just a thought laurie, and oz, the filthy dirty yak Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Fjords needing new homes
This message is from: pedfjo...@aol.com In a message dated 10/19/2009 5:53:10 AM Mountain Daylight Time, owner-fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com writes: > Kit Davis wrote: > > A friend of mine (88 year old woman) was recently killed in a horse > accident, and her family has asked me to help them in selling her herd > of Fjords. She has 8 mares, 7 weanling fillies, and a 2 yr old stallion > (well bred and very handsome). > > They will be priced reasonably as the family wants them sold by winter. > There may also be an auction of harness and horse driving equipment. > > Folks can contact me about these horses; they are also shown on my > website -- click on "Sales List". > > Thanks, > Kit Davis > 218-729-7062 > kitda...@rokidaranch.com > http://rokidaranch.com/ > I spoke to Kit the other night about this situation and these horses. I just this week got myself into another rescue of 2 Fjords from WA. ( why the heck do Fjords from there always need new homes and find ME ? ) * cant be from UT. AZ. CA. somewhere CLOSE... so, I cannot help out personally with any from this herd, BUT, if I could, there would be a couple of mares, a few babies and for sure that 2 yr old stallion, who dispite his eye injury from a fence accident when he was a weaner, is very well bred. ( WH Stone X Wood's Else ) Check out his picture on the NFHR webpage and his dams also. I have today, 6 intact males here ( days young ) so not stallion shopping at the moment, but from bloodlines and appearences, he just might be a wonderful herd sire for someone. Kit has taken alot of time to get down there and help the family get all of the paperwork together with these horses. Tail hairs have been pulled on the youngsters and as always, check with Mike on the status of their registrations, but I have known Kit Davis a long time and if she says its good to go, it is. Hope some folks in the WI. MN. area can help out a few of these nice Fjords. Winter is on the doorstep in MN. and I fear for their future at auction if not placed soon in new homes. Im sure that any reasonable offer will be considered. Call Kit for questions. Lisa Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Replacing helmets
This message is from: Lola Lahr Yes, you would replace a helmet taht has been in the box for 5 yrs. because of the environmental effects on the materials of the helmet. I feel it is better to err on the side of caution when making decisions about things like protecting my brain,so, for the $50 or so, it's worth it. On 10/19/09, jerry friz wrote: > > This message is from: "jerry friz" > > > > What if your helmet was kept in a box for 5 years? [never used] Would you > pitch it out? > > Regards, > Jerry Friz, > Anderson, Ca. > > > - > > Subject: Replacing helmets Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
whisperers and egos
This message is from: pedfjo...@aol.com In a message dated 10/20/2009 11:23:19 AM Mountain Daylight Time, owner-fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com writes: > > The reason you do not see our people wearing helmets is because we try to > teach people that rather than be brave because they are wearing a a helmet > to > protect > them, they would be better off not riding until their horse is behaving > safely. > > People have called us brave for not wearing helmets, but we say they are a > lot braver than we are. We would not get on their horse until we had > addressed > the issues that cause it to behave in unsafe ways. > > We hope this helps, > > From the Faculty, Parelli Centers > > For one, I know 2 people who are Parelli followers who, when this rather bad press came out, did, for themselves, also write for explanations on this helmet stand. Both got similar letters, then there was a period of silence from the " official " camp. I also heard when they changed their opinion on helmets and started putting out one of 2 same versions of what you recieved Heather. GOOD ! For the record.I personally care less that they changed their opinion than the fact that they did. I also believe that if all other horse training marketers started wearing helmets during their demos that it would greatly help the often newby group looking for training help. When the rodeo bull riders started wearing protective headgear it opened the door for alot of " wanna-be-never-will-be's to think about their face, teeth, neck and brain while climbing on a 2000 lb jet engine without steering. Now, if you could get MY ego where it should be, and wear a helmet in the show ring when Im driving my horses.but, what would I do with all of those vintage hats I have collected ??? ; ) * I do wear it in my training and home life. Helmet head hair and proud. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
not at all called for
This message is from: pedfjo...@aol.com In a message dated 10/20/2009 11:23:19 AM Mountain Daylight Time, owner-fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com writes: > > This message is from: "pholl...@mail.internetni.com" < > pholl...@jasper.internetni.com> > Lisa P wrote: > > I will have to read Phills article > again. Lisa > > Pat Holland writes: > > Comparing what Robin is doing at University level and reading the article > Phil scratched together is like comparing The Wall Street Journal with The > National Enquirer. > And quite rude as well. Lisa Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
white markings and sources of research
This message is from: "pholl...@mail.internetni.com" Lisa P wrote: I will have to read Phills article again. Lisa Pat Holland writes: Comparing what Robin is doing at University level and reading the article Phil scratched together is like comparing The Wall Street Journal with The National Enquirer. http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Pony Club meets the Fjords
This message is from: kbatche...@aol.com This past Sunday, our small Fjord farm hosted a Pony Club group of about ten girls who had never seen a Fjord before. The girls were so enthusiastic and appreciative and the ponies behaved wonderfully. At one point, as one of the girls came trotting toward me on Monark, she yellled, "I WANT one!!" It was a great day--if the Fjord ambassador position were paid, I think I'd be getting a raise! Video: _http://gallery.me.com/wscrac#100434_ (http://gallery.me.com/wscrac#100434) Happy Fjording! Kris in NC Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
