Re: Fjord Items for sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Amy K White) Sharon, I'd be interested in some items. Do you have a catalog or do we just let you know what we're interested in? -Steve
Re: Ultrasounding for pregnancy
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Amy K White) Ingrid, I do a lot of ultrasound in my practice, and we usually do an ultrasound at 16-18 days after breeding. Sometimes you can see them earlier, but they can be hard to distinguish from cysts. We recommend a follow up U/S at about 28 days. At that time you can see a heart beat and confirm a viable embryo. -Steve Steve and Amy White On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:05:26 -0500 Ingrid Ivic [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This message is from: Ingrid Ivic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello folks, I was wondering what guidelines to follow, as far as how early to have mares ultrasounded to confirm pregnancy. Our mare just came back last week from the stud's farm and I'm eager to learn if she caught. A few books I've read, have mentioned ultrasounding can be done as early as three weeks after being bred. The vet I currently use doesn't specialize in horse fertility and pregnancy...he comes out here to do the routine things (shots, sheath cleaning, teeth floating etc.), but that's about it. He also mentioned to me that he considered fjords too small to be examined for pregnancy in the usual way, for fear there would be damage done? Hhh? After this hearing this information today, I did get the name of a vet who specializes in equine reproductive/pregnancy care. This is all new to me and I only want the best for our mares. Just checking in to hear what people who've been down this road before have done. Thanks List!! All the best, Ingrid ;o) _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: Lice
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Amy K White) Julia, This sounds like it may be more from Culicoides hypersensitivity rather than lice. Culicoides is a gnat and will attack the horse in the mane and tail causing the area to itch and become inflamed. If you've never seen the lice, this could be a possibility. Also, lice tend to concentrate more in the mane whereas culicoides will attack both mane and tail. The season may provide a clue. The gnats obviously are active in the summer time, but lice tend to be more of a problem in the winter. The brownish discoloring is due to blood when the gnat bites. -Steve Steve and Amy White On Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:40:38 -0400 Julia Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This message is from: Julia Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] The L word, and I don't mean love! Several years ago when we brought our first stallion and were preparing him for a show, I noticed dirty appearing areas in the white of his mane that wouldn't wash out. They were impervious to every solution I used, including clorex and peroxide. (Not on the horse...I pulled hairs for test cleanings!) Finally I asked a vet who suggested it was from LICE! Upon close examination, the shaft of the hair has short, brownish areas that don't wash or scrape off, and the hair breaks easily. The affected animals usually rub their manes and tails but not always. I have never seen the actual louse, but when I treat with lice dust the new hair growth comes in white and perfect, and the brown stained areas gradually grow out and are trimmed off. Over the last 6 years we have purchased Fjords from all over, and many of them have arrived with this problem, so I think it is fairly common, but perhaps not recognized? We recently got a mare in for breeding with a foal by her side, and while the mare's mane looked pretty normal, (close examination did show some brown stains) the foal's tail was mostly rubbed off, and the hairs that remained were almost completely stained brown. (He is only a month old!) I would really be interested to hear from others who have noticed this problem, because having never seen the lice, I still find it hard to believe. I will be happy to send sample hairs to anyone who would like a closer look! Julie @ Old Hickory Farm in upstate New York. _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: Fjords Thyroid
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Amy K White) Valerie, TSH is used in veterinary medicine with small animals (dogs,cats,etc.) but not with horses yet. This may be due to cost, lack of research, or both. Herbivores can vary from carnivores in their endocrine and metabolism systems so it is not always easy to use the same data between the two. Work is being done on the subject by Dr. Nat Messer at the Univ. of Missouri Vet School and hopefully a more reliable test is in the near future. -Steve Steve and Amy White On Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:08:15 -0500 Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] With Valerie Galton's permission I am forwarding this message from her to Cynthia to the list. This message is originally from: Valerie A. Galton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi I am not a vet, but a scientist/teacher in a Medical School, and my field of investigation just happens to be thyroid. I am Ph.D., but two of my colleagues are MDs and see a lot of thyroid patients. I suspect that your statement is right on line, and it use to be the case also in humans; probably still is outside the major Endocrine clinics. I do know that plasma T4 and or T3 levels are no longer considered useful measurements for determining thyroid status in humans. Plasma thyrotropin levels are currently the diagnostic aid of choice, along with an astutely worded history (do you feel cold all the time, do you wear more clothes than you colleagues etc etc). The latter is a bit hard with our beloved equine friends. Have you any info regarding TSH levels in horses? ( I suppose I could look this up on medline). I had been wondering for some time whether this could be used as a diagnostic tool in a horse. Fortunately overprescription of thyroid medication is perhaps one of the situations that is least likely to cause trouble, unless too much is given, since exogenous T4 will simply suppress the animals own T4 secretion. Nevertheless, as you imply it is likely to be unnecessary in many instances. My two fjords (one of whom can get lazy in summer) clearly are not hypothyroid; they just hate the heat and seem totally unfazed by even the worst winter weather (-30 and windy!!) regards Val Galton PS Any idea what the female/male ratio of thyroid disease is in horses? As you probably know thyroid diseases (all types) in humans are primarily diseases of women (A notable exception being George Bush) _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: Fjords Thyroid
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Amy K White) Hello, I'll be happy to give my two cents worth here, and when I'm done I think you will realize that I really mean two cents worth. Equine hypothyroidism is probably one of the most over diagnosed diseases of the horse. This is due to the lack of a definitive diagnostic test for the condition. The thyroid has its affect on many tissues and organs in the body, therefore the symptoms can vary. Symptoms may include retarded growth, increased sensitivity to cold, delayed coat shedding, a course thickened appearance to the face, decreased feed consumption ( a fjord with decreased feed consumption?! ), and weight gain. Some have proposed that it may also be associated with infertility, hair loss, laminitis, tying up, and anhidrosis (not sweating). Until a good diagnostic test is developed these symptoms can't be confirmed. The problem with the diagnosis is that we currently use the circulating thyroid hormone levels in the blood as the measurement of thyroid function. The problem with this is that these levels vary a lot. They can vary from day to night and season to season within the same horse. Other factors that affect levels include high protein or energy diets, phenylbutazone (bute), steroid drugs, diets high in copper and zinc, fasting, and stress. Also, the normal range for thyroid hormone is based on a sampling of a variety of different horses. But levels may vary breed to breed, so the normal range for fjords may naturally be lower than for other horses. The moral of this story is never make the diagnosis of hypothyroidism based on one blood sample. Before testing, make note of the medications your horse may have received recently. Take two samples at different times of day or different times of the year. If you consistently get low levels, combine that with any symptoms that the horse may be showing, and a good health exam from your veterinarian to make the diagnosis. Hopefully, we will soon have a better test as they do in humans. -Steve Steve and Amy White On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:16:48 -0500 Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a request of Steve White, our vet and on this list who has recently seen Tank. Could you comment on the thyroid question? Cynthia Madden, Coordinator Office of Sponsored Programs Research University of Nebraska at Omaha EAB 202, 6001 Dodge Street, Omaha, NE 68182-0210 Phone: (402) 554-2286 FAX: (402) 554-3698 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.unomaha.edu/~wwwspr/osp.html _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: First Show, Kids Chat AOL, Amy White.
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Amy K White) Betsy, Woodrow's phone # is: 308-732-3330. The team is well matched and very well trained. I would have them myself if I could. Steve and Amy White _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: Fjords and equipment for sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Amy K White) Hi Martie, I know what you mean about having no room at the inn so to speak. That's the situation we are in, and only 1 Fjord. But feel free to call Woodrow Miller about his carts, his number is 308-732-3330. Thanks! _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: Fjords and equipment for sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Amy K White) Hi Martie! Sorry for the delay, I have been trying to get ahold of our friend, Woodrow Miller, to ask him if we can give his phone # to interested parties. I havent been able to since I wrote the post, so maybe he's out of town. Anyway, here is the list he sent us:1 set heavy duty work harness $3001 set fancy show harness (black with nickel) $6001 set work harness $1002 new 21 collars $60 each1 Amish-built surrey, nearly new, for team$10001 narrow-tire farm wagon, wood wheels,complete with cornpicking bang board $5001 two-wheel road cart$2001 5th wheel stock trailer, equipped to carry team surrey $5001 5 yr. reg Fjord gelding; well-broke to drive either side $30001 4 yr. reg Fjord gelding, 1/2 brother to above, drive single or double $3000no prices on these things: set of new lines and spreaders, 3 spring seats, old steel wheel wagon, halters, misc equipment.I'll let you know when I get in touch with him; I'm sure he'll agree to giving out his number but I didnt want to without asking. I guess if I cant reach him you wont be able to either! :) Amy _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: Fjords and equipment for sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Amy K White) Hello all. A fellow Fjord-lover here in Nebraska is in poor health and must sell his Fjords and equipment. He does not have access to this list, so we offered to post this message on his behalf. He has 2 registered geldings, half-brothers, ages 4 and 5 , broke to drive single or double and is asking $3000 for each. Also some very nice harness, carts, and wagons for very reasonable prices, as well as collars and miscellaneous items. Steve and I visited him last year and can tell you that his horses are well-broke and his harness and equipment are in good to excellent condition. We would love to have the horses ourselves, but our stable is full at the moment! If you are interested, please e-mail us privately and we can provide you with the complete list and prices. _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: reply to the Trupiano's intro
This message is from: Amy K. White [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 07:13 AM 5/11/98 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 11:09 PM 5/10/98 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BRIAN C JACOBSEN) P.S. We work for a husband and wife veterinary team. What do you think about that Mike?! ;-) Well I already knew that actually ;-) You told me about that before. I really didn't realize there were so many husband/wife vets around. I suppose it makes sense though, I am sure most of you met in college or something like that. Mike, you're right. I think many vet couples pair off in school because in vet school you don't have time for many outside interests and you both have at least one big common goal, which is to make it through school! For example, in our graduating class of 80, six couples ended up getting married (though 2 couples are now divorced). Probably the same thing happens in other professions, such as human medicine and law. You know how adversity sometimes brings people together, like when they think they are not going to survive a terrible ordeal (a la Christie Brinkley and the ski lift incident in which she met one of her former husbands)? There's probably an element of that at work, too! :) Hello Trupianos and Jacobsens! Amy White
Re: Foals
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Amy K White) It sounds like you just had a bit of bad luck. I had a mare that died of that same cause. It may be from migrating parasites or possibly suppressed immunity from stress or illness. Either way, no need to be discouraged. It probably will never happen again. -Steve On Fri, 8 May 1998 20:10:17 EDT SSlotness [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This message is from: SSlotness [EMAIL PROTECTED] The foal (actually weanling) died of a ruptured bowel at 6 months old,OnChristmas! The bowel ruptured at a site of one of many lesions caused by Actinobacillus equuili. I don't know how the bacteria took over so greatly, since it is a comon bacteria that lives everywhere. The vet said she was healthy looking otherwise. _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: Foals
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Amy K White) Susan, I don't know an exact percentage but most foalings go perfectly well. Usually the first month is the most critical. If you can make it past that, your chances improve with each month. May I ask what happened to your last foal? If you have enough foals you are bound to lose some. That just seems to be the way it goes. Maybe since you lost your first one the rest will all go well. I hope so. There are some things you can do with pre- and post-natal care to help things along. Let me know if I might help. Good Luck! -Steve On Thu, 7 May 1998 18:44:21 EDT SSlotness [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This message is from: SSlotness [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was wondering what percentage of foalings go perfectly well? Can any of the breeders out there enlighten me? Our foaling went well, but she didn't live to be a yearling. Is it generally problem free to get them to the yearling stage? Next year we will be expecting another young one, and I would like some hope that it will go well. Thanks, Suzan _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: Temperament vs Character
This message is from: Amy K. White [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 11:37 AM 5/4/98 -0400, you wrote: I am sure this particular Fjord character of will influences some of the other breed character that make the Fjord so endearing, Sue, I thought that your post was very insightful and a good way to look at differences in temperament. One of the helpful things about this list for me, a newcomer to Fjords, has been the discussion of the Fjord character and temperament. When I began working with our gelding last year, I'm sorry to say I described him to several people as stubborn. (My other horses are Thoroughbreds and an Arab, so the hot-blooded temperament is what I'm used to.) I have come to view his personality much differently now, especially after this list started. Thank you, Sue, and many of you for sharing your your methods and philosophies that are so helpful in training Fjords. Amy White Omaha, Nebraska
Re: Questions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Amy K White) Martie, Here is the address for Small Farmer's Journal. Small Farmer's Journal P.O. Box 1627 Sisters, Oregon 97759 (541)549-4403 It's a quarterly journal that I read cover to cover and the next issue can't come quick enough. You should really enjoy it. Let me know what you think. -Steve White, Omaha, Nebraska, USA On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:34:24 -0600 (MDT) john bolinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This message is from: john bolinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] DDULOW wrote: This message is from: DDULOW [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have tried to post before and for some reason it never appeared so here goes again: I have two Fjords and live in Chadds Ford, PA. I drive them as a pair and single. They are from Anvile's farm in BC. I belong to the Brandywine Valley Driving Club and have been a member for ten years. I also belong to the Carriage Driving List (which I notice many of you do also). First, Steve: Where can one obtain this Small Farmer's Journal that you speak of? Can it be purchased at a book store or do you have an address? Please tell me, my husband would love it. John Bolinski: Where in PA do you reside? Just ask the Amish they love to answer questions. They would be most interested in your Fjords. They are probably a little too expensive (so we have been told) for the Amish but they really do like them. I have one request- please post where you are from. I know many people don't like to give out addresses but simply - Chadds Ford, PA or whatever. This way, if your interested in a carriage, horse, or whatever, you won't be dissappointed if it's to far away. I really enjoy this list. DDULOW from Chadds Ford, PA Hi again from Martie Bolinski in North East Maryland (USA). Although my husban John's name appears on everything, I am the reading (and printing) most of the Fjord messages. Thanks for the info on draft work and clipping. I think I will just let the feathers alone for the time being. My driving instructor thought they should be clipped if I wanted to show, but I am much too green to consider showing yet. The weather is finally getting better and he IS actually shedding most of the really long stuff. I would like to know where I might find the Small Farm Journel. My harness (I have a light draft harness that I use for driving to a Meadowbrook) was purchased from an Amish harnessmaker (Smucker's) in Pennsylvania. I did not get much information about possibly working a Fjord. I got the impression they thought he would be too small/light for 'real' farm work. Especially since they are used to using such large teams. I will try asking different Amish. We see very few Fjords in this area. I have never seen one at the driving competitions I have attended, although last year was my first year. Again, thanks for the advise, Martie _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: FJORDS AND DRAFT WORK?
This message is from: Amy K. White [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 01:09 AM 4/23/98 EDT, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Amy K White) John, Have you ever read Small Farmer's Journal? Also, I would like to add my two cents on the sheath cleaning issue. Steve, I am so proud of you! What a good post! What were you doing up at 1 am though? We really need to change our name on the account so that you are also acknowledged somehow (I hate to take the credit for your good advice!) Amy
Re: FJORDS AND DRAFT WORK?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Amy K White) John, Have you ever read Small Farmer's Journal? There have been numerous articles in there about farming with the single horse and some directed specifically at using Fjords. Back issues are available that contain these articles as well as information on buying and using horse drawn implements both new and used. Also, I would like to add my two cents on the sheath cleaning issue. When I clean sheaths, I like to use one of the waterless hand cleaners like mechanics use (i.e. Go-Jo, Goop). It is amazing how the debris in the sheath just melts away with this. Although, I would suggest getting the kind without pumice. The scented kind is nice so you aren't left with the smell on your hands, but I use the unscented just in case the fragrance might be irritating to their skin. Little if any rinsing is needed and if you have a horse that is shy in this area just scoop up a big glob in your hand and smear it just inside the sheath. It melts quickly and spreads thru the area. This is my first time writing here, although my wife, Amy, has introduced us and corresponded here before. I've enjoyed reading everyone's comments and think this is a great forum for all us Fjord lovers. -Steve On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:58:54 -0400 john bolinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This message is from: john bolinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martie Bolinski/Twin Oaks Farm) I have a couple more questions about using Fjords. First, I read in one of the previous messages (sorry, I am new to Internet Mail and don't know how to save the messages I want without clogging up my Inbox) about using Fjords for general draft work around the farm. What type of work could be done by a single Fjord? Kilar had been used for raking hay, mowing and hauling by his previous owners,but as far as I know, he was always used in double harness. I think he was mainly the 'trainer horse' for younger stock. Since I have to do farm chores anyway, it would be more fun to use the horse at the same time. There are a lot of Amish farms near us in Lancaster PA, but I never see them work less than 4 horses at a time, mostly 8-12 for plowing and mowing. Where would I look for equipment for this farm work? Are there catalogs? Next question is clipping. I keep Kilar's mane about 4-6 inches and have no problem with it, but I don't know what I should do about his legs. He has very heavy feathering on the back of the legs. I have a lot of trouble keeping him clean and dry in the Maryland muck and ice. I looked at the latest Fjord Herald and it looks like most of the horses have some feather on their fetlocks but not the long stuff higher up. Should I be clipping this longer hair? Thanks again for such a great forum! _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
