Re:Sue and Riba
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---I will back off after this and Riba and Sue become their own story. But it was love at first sight for the two of them. Riba can be standoffish with some people, but her eyes immediately became glued to Sue and it was mutual. They had quite the little love fest. This is not a sad story. My life will go on and I am resilient. Riba and Sue are a happy new beginning and Riba will be happily running and bucking in the cool mountains of NM where some grass grows once in awhile and not in the stinking desert. Gail (in the stinking desert) :-}
Re: Riba
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/30/2001 8:43:06 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > but don't understand, why you sell Riba. > Anke I don't feel I can keep Riba safe her in the desert with the heat and mesquite and oleander bushes (poisonous). She will be happier and safer with Sue and be with other fjords, which I think is important. I'm not coping very well. Gail
Re: leaving the list/fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will soon be leaving my friends on the list and fjords. With the loss of Ida, my heart went out of me, and my tears are about to make the desert bloom. Riba is going to be a driving horse for Sue Sorger, and as a nonFjord owner, I will be unsubscribing soon. I will miss all of you. I think fjords need other fjords and will be happier in the cool mountains with Sue. Friday I drove home from work feeling happy that her life would be good. Today we cried all day for Ida who was our clown, sweet and silly and the baby. Gail in Tucson
Re: Riba
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I walked a very depressed Riba to a boarding stable nearby yesterday. She wouldn't eat and whoever heard of a fjord that won't eat? She immediately bonded with a tall Thoroughbred gelding named Monty and started chewing hay. It helps. Gail
Re: Ida/Riba
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ida colicked yesterday morning. I called the vet immediately and she tubed her with oil. I walked her 15 minutes every hour. Nothing helped and she went down rapidly and last night she had to be put to sleep. We have no idea why Ida colicked. She's never missed a worming, has small frequent meals, etc., etc., lots of turnout. Most people here consider me to be an overconscientious (I know they mean neurotic) horse owner. Riba was so depressed she wouldn't eat even carrots and I took her over to a boarding stable nearby today to be with other horses. It cheered her up and she ate a little. I think Arizona is too harsh a climate and I would consider giving someone a great deal on Riba if it were a cooler, loving home. She's 6. I've had her three years and she's never spooked even once, not at cars, school buses, hot air balloons, you name it. She's a lovely mare, trained to ride and would make a marvelous driving horse, and she deserves to be special. Call me a sissy, but I don't ever want to go through this again. Gail in Tucson
Re: Tucson show
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/4/2001 2:37:31 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > If any Fjord > people are planning to be there let me know! I do intend to attend the Tucson show. Gail in Tucson
Re: Hello to Sofia
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/4/2001 2:37:31 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I live in > Sweden. I am so bad at english Sofia, I think your English is very good. Certainly much better than my Swedish, since I don't speak it at all. Gail in Tucson, Arizona (USA)
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2001 #262
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/1/2001 5:25:20 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Do any of you have any despooking ideas? John Lyons has a wonderful videotape on this. You just work your horse in circles as close as he/she is comfortable to what spooks them -- you make something. You make them concentrate on their work and gradually work closer and closer so they're learning to listen to you instead of their fear. That way it has some result with the next thing that scares them. There are two Arabs where I've been living that are quite calm and good horses. I've seen the kind you're talking about, too. Gail in Tucson
Re:temperament
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've had my girls Riba and Ida for over three years now. Riba has never spooked even one time. Ida spooked twice, both times at pheasants coming out of the grass at her. But even the two Arabs in the barn here are pretty mellow. It's too hot for that kind of stuff. Gail in Tucson (If there's one more day of over 100 temperatures you will hear me screaming in Alaska)
Re: wonder horse
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/26/2001 9:37:28 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > we had to do this test on grass, LOVELY grass! and she nary moved a muscle > the whole test, she was awesome, No way would my horses ever do that. Gail
Re: stones/id of foals, etc.
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ursula, the stones are pretty common in geldings in this area. I'm told mares get them, too, but pass them much more easily. Alfalfa is a contributor because it is high in salts. When I went out with Ginny Cowles in Rowe NM to pick out Ida, we went out in the truck and about 30 fjords saw people and came a running. She said, "This is Ida," and totally befuddled I asked, "How do you know?" She pointed to her neck and said, "See, she has a curl." I have two half-sister mares a year apart and it was a good 6 months before I knew them apart instantly. Now, I dont think they look anything alike :-} Riba is more upheaded and a touch arrogant and has dark hock stripes. Ida is more athletic and looks like Betty Boop with long eyelashes she bats at you. Cynthia, most lists get a little nuts once in a while. I think when you see it coming it's best just not to read for about a week until it passes. I think it has something to do with the limitations of E-mail as a form of communication and the fact that it's new enough we haven't deveoloped sound courtesy forms across the board. Me, I've finally learned to write long hostile answers and then say, "Get over yourself, girl, nobody made you queen of the world," and immediately delete them without mailing. Turns out the world turns nicely without my input. Gail in Tucson
Re: comfort
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/12/2001 1:25:24 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Yes, I went out and hugged my horses...as strange as it > > seems, they are a comfort... A woman going through chemo just asked if she could come and groom my girls. They are a comfort. Gail
Re:pole barn
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/27/2001 7:17:15 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Thanks for any comments on this type of horse care! Linda in Minnesota -- >> I always kept mine this way, but NM was pretty different from Minnesota. My girls like to be out but it doesn't get below zero very often. I did keep their water heated. gail
Re: California experience
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for reminding me why I don't live in California anymore, as much as I love it. I have a tendency to forget the bad bits in life, which is good unless it leads you to repeat them. When I lived in California, it seemed like everything was a hassle and people weren't real interested in being helpful or sharing information. Too much crowding made people kind of unfeeling and uncaring. The same people were very nice out of California. Both NM (exempting Santa Fe) and Tucson are better this way.
Re: bits
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/21/2001 10:43:43 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << but I ride western with an English bridle with a kimberwick bit. Ok everyone laugh at that one. I just have not found a Western bridle that I like and this gets me down the road just fine. >> Carol, please educate me. My landlady rides English Park with a western bit, Tom Thumb, because she doesn't like English bits. She's a little dingy so it won't help me to ask her the difference. Gail in Tucson
Re: tone
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/6/01 7:59:53 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > After all, I have to do this > beasties mane for the rest of his life and if to do dna results in risk of > life and limbNO THANK YOU! IMHO Papers are not that all important to > me! > Sue in N.B. (Desert Storm's mom) Lisa's post was somewhat tongue in cheek. The problem with E-mail is you can't hear tone. Gail
Re: there's humidity & humidity
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/3/01 7:03:38 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Is it a good idea to "wet down" a horse in hot weather before you > stall them for the night when the humidity is really high?Joni in Wi. > They're not really stalled as much as indoor/outdoor. And high humidity in Tucson is like 14. We're only talking in 110 degree weather. Gail
Re: heat
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/31/01 12:15:11 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > My Fjord enjoy standing in the sun. He do not walk into the shadow. Why? Horses really can handle the heat if they're not exercising fine. They're built to sweat unlike dogs who can't. When it was 110 F here, I just gave the girls a spray before I put them in for the night and they seemed reasonably content. More than I was, that's for sure. I wouldn't ride them in that certainly, but people ride here in the early mornings when it's around 85 F. Gail in Tucson
Re: fjord geography
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Two of those 92 listed in NM have moved to Tucson, AZ. Cynthia replaced one, but took it out of MO. I have found fjords that I don't think are listed anywhere, too. I found a fjord near here when I was just driving down the road. Gail in Tucson
Re: halters
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Storm has no > halter on on account of the gelding leading him around by it Sue, it's really super dangerous to leave a halter on a horse. They have more ways of hanging themselves than you or I ever wanted to know about. The only exception is break-away halters that will come apart if they catch them on something. Gail in Tucson
Re: stubborn
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Riba is definitely a little stubborn. But between a horse that gets terrified and goes ballistic and one that stands still and refuses to move until she understands what's going on, guess which I choose. Gail in Tucson (I've been called stubborn, too)
Re: orphan foal
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/13/01 3:00:21 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > If any of you on this List have any ideas or opinions on how to best raise > an orphan foal, please let me know. I'm new to this one! > Thanks for listening. > > Karen Karen, How awful. Talk to Sue Sorger who has been raising one from birth. Gail
Re: shoes
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/12/01 12:46:08 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Haven't written in a long time and have a ? for you Fjord people. Do most of > you put shoes on just the front and not the back, or all 4 hooves or none??? > Just curious if the Fjord would be more comfy with shoes on the back too and > less heavy on the front? It sure depends on where you live. I'm on sand and don't need shoes at all. Gail in Tucson
Re: sites
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/10/01 7:06:20 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Since this rapidly veers off topic, replies should probably come to me > directly. Nah, this is too good not to share. If you go to dogpile.com, it will take you anywhere on any search. A great search engine. Gail in Tucson
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2001 #191
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Are the temps you gave for Tucson? Yep. It's better than Phoenix because it cools down at night. It's 85 tonight and feels wonderful -- you get used to things and it all becomes relative. Even the girls think 95 is cool this year -- last year they thought it was hot. At 85 they're running and bucking with joy. Gail in Torrid Tucson
Re: climates and coats
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, Not to be obstreperous, but NM isn't hot. It's been 111 here. The girls take it in stride. I hose them down before putting them in front of their hay for the night, but except for that it's life as usual. Today it rained and it's only 85 and we feel like it's winter. Gail in Tucson now.
Re: lost dog grief
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/28/01 8:50:55 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > and now I think I need to learn some grief counselling techniques > for all his farmmates. Ru The solution is a puppy. You can't replace one with another, but the antics of a new baby are so pleasantly distracting that you just can't help feeling a little better. And when we lost our old boy from cancer, we comforted ourselves with the knowledge we had given him a great life. Gail
Re: Sue
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not surprised that you're coming around, Sue. You Brits are a tough lot. Glad you're feeling better. I do remember whose lap it was that Heather went to sleep on in the meadow as a foal. Gail
Re: found horses/idiocy
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's a wonder our horses survive us. I would bet nobody here can't think of something stupid they did once that they'd just as soon nobody knew about. Bet she doesn't do that one again (or any of us who are listening). So glad the lost are found. It's not just horses. Today a woman with a dalmation had her parrot on her shoulder at the dog park. I tactfully said, "Excuse me, but are you sure you want to bring a parrot in here?" -- too polite under the circumstances, but nobody else said anything. I told her one of mine had taken a songbird out of the air, and she said, "Oh, I'll be careful." Mine didn't notice the bird (thank you, thank you), but a German Shepherd leaping toward her face and shoulder finally got her indignantly to leave. Got the impression she goes through life clueless and indignant. Hope the parrot gets a life. Gail in Tucson
Re: alfalfa
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/22/01 9:48:52 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I sometimes think we can > love, over analyze, and oversupplement our equines too much. > JMHO. > > Pamela Garofalo ---Horses are very delicate animals and their digestive systems are sensitive. I don't pay a fortune for grass hay out of the pleasure of being neurotic, but because experience proves alfalfa gives my girls the runs and a belly ache. The Arab here was colicking seriously before I talked them into switching to grass hay. We were just talking at dinner (edifying to other patrons) about how much better his poop looks now. I don't think it's overanalyzing. If alfalfa works for you though, great. I would use it if it worked for me. Gail
Re: time for mourning Katrina
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/18/01 10:56:27 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > In the 6 weeks since Katrina died I have lost all ambition to continue, so I > have decided to sell my 3 fjords and equipment. Sue, Six weeks is not very long to mourn. Give yourself a little while before you commit to anything, or you may very well regret it. You might even consider talking to a grief counselor, because sometimes regular people don't understand how much the loss of an animal can hurt. I am truly sorry for your pain. Gail in Tucson
Re: vertically challenged
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/18/01 8:37:03 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Hi Sue- > > First, please stop calling yourself short and fat! We female equestrians > come > in all shapes and sizes and are all beautiful, like Epona on her white horse. > > So there : ) ---I prefer to think of myself as a "vertically-challenged easy keeper." Gail in Tucson
Re: Wanless/what kind of a horse is that?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > The way Mary Wanless > describes the position is you should be balanced I purchased a Mary Wanless book last week and it didn't help. I guess I'll try reading it (vbg). It's happened to me in tennies (I know, shame on me) and in my new boots, so I don't think it's the shoe. A woman who owns the tack store told me it might be something to do with a short round person on a round horse and suggested these little wedgies to straighten out the way my feet hit the stirrups. The place I'm renting the guest house of is for sale and so far they've all had just one question: "What kind of horses are those?" The guy yesterday said, "Are those geldings?" I said no, they're mares -- I didn't bother to tell him the normal way you tell (g). He said, "But those huge necks." I told him he should see a stallion. I'm enjoying this. Except I hope it doesn't sell, because I'm enjoying living like rich folks. It's as I always suspected, they live better than I do. Gail
Re: misc
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had some riding lessons in a roping saddle and hated it. it gave me bruises and was too heavy. I'm now riding in an all purpose/dressage type saddle and get terrible pains in my little toe on one foot. Does anybody know what this means I am doing wrong? Denise, was your husband's mare possibly in heat? Carole, I loved your sharing of the lessons. Please continue. Gail in Tucson
Re: alternative shoes
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brigid writes: > Anyone else on this list with barefoot Fjords trying "alternative" shoes? --Nope, waiting to see how you do };-) Gail in Tucson
Re: fat fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've heard of grazing muzzles where they can work hard and just get a little bit of grass. If one had a break-away emergency thing, that might help and let them keep themselves entertained. Gail in Tucson
Re: weight
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/2/01 11:15:07 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Good point Karen. Most riders don't weigh more than 200lbs, and horses can be > > 300lbs or more overweight. Same difference! > > Brigid Oh good. If only one of us gets to be overweight, I know which one I choose. (vbg) Gail
Re: eyes
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/1/01 10:07:17 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I have never heard this one either. What area are you in? Did another > Fjord owner tell you this? > > Has anyone else had a problem like this? > Ida got this the first year I had her because I was taking the mask off too early in the evening and the vet had to flush it out. He said once it happened, she would probably always be vulnerable. I'm real careful now, but neither Riba nor Ida seem especially vulnerable. I do mask during the day in summer most of the time. It helped give Ida her nickname, which is Ida Eyes -- also because she has big sweet flirty eyes and looks like Betty Boop (she really does). Gail in Tucson
Re: auctions etc.
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would never sell my girls at an auction. You would have no idea what kind of home they were going to. Where I'm living now I am ground handling 2 lovely Arabians as well as my girls. Handling the Arabians is like driving a Jag sport car as opposed to my little Humvee girls. Is there a way to make my girls a little lighter? They do respond, but the steering seems a little stiff. All work with them is done at 5 am these days, by the way, and afternoons we just hang in there. The heat doesn't seem to bother them very much but I'm a real sissy. Gail in Tucson
Re: Olaf
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 5/28/01 2:22:29 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > But of > course, I'm sure there are many on the List who will disagree with Olaf. Cheryl, I'll bet there are more who agree. Ida never had a rider until age 4 and then only lightly. Gail in Tucson
Re: whatcha doing?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Riba and Ida escaped last week when I wasn't home and went in search of the perfect mesquite tree. The landlord, a geologist and non-horseman, was the only one here, and he saw them gallop by and went after them. They, of course, led him a merry chase in the hot Tucson sun. He learned you can't win a tug of war with a fjord. In the middle of his struggles, a woman stops her car and he thinks, "Help at last," and she and her child come up and go, "What kind of a horse is that?" He said he couldn't remember which was which, so he just kept calling both their names -- unlike the dogs, they don't come when called. He only had 1 halter and 2 horses to catch. When he finally caught one, of course the other followed, but he didn't know that would happen. Then he said he opened both stalls, and just let them choose, because he didn't know who was who. The man is a saint. The girls, by the way, are very happy here and the heat doesn't seem to be bothering them that much. They have shade trees in the day to stand under and I get to turn them out all day every day again. I liked the people and the place I had them in in Las Cruces, where Cynthia is now, but this is even better because they're with me. We're having to relearn a few ground manners. Gail in Tucson
Re: trucka
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 5/17/01 12:58:16 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Also anyone with the facts about Dodge transmissions being > puny I did a case (I'm a court reporter), where they said transmission problems with Dodges with Cummins were really, really common. But all the people on horse lists swear by The Dodges with Cummins. Gail in Tucson
Re: microchip
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 5/15/01 10:33:13 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > With the recent discussion here about brand inspections, I spent >some time reading the various state laws on the Texas Law site. I've >come to the conclusion that before I follow Cynthia to New Mexico, Steve, My girls had all the requisite papers in NM and they're microchipped, not branded. They just need local papers to prove they're not being hijacked to Mexico and of course there are lots of checks that close to the border looking mostly for drugs or illegal immigrants. Gail
Re: whips
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 5/16/01 1:43:37 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Gunnar who stands and watches always flinches when the whips are > used as he had been abused. > > Ida does this, too, but she has never been abused. She went from Ginny to me, and I don't hit and know she wasn't hit before. They just make her nervous. Gail in Tucson
Re: great gelding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 5/16/01 1:43:37 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Nothing beats a "great gelding". > Except a great mare (vbg). Gail & Riba & Ida
Re: Today's ride
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rode for 2 hours this morning in the Saguaro National Monument. It was truly beautiful with the Saguaro in their little white flower hats and all the Palo Verde blooming gold. Very well developed and marked trails. Only walkers and hikers allowed in there. Didn't see anybody in there but the horse and rider I was with -- one of those crazzeee A-rabs (not). Had to get up at 5 am to feed and leave at 6 to beat the heat. Riba was a very good girl, and at the end of a two hour ride up to pink hill and back, she didn't even show a sweat (and i'm heavy). I do have a hard time convincing her she isn't allowed to eat while I'm riding. It's occasionally a battle. Not to mention she wanted her trailer mate's hay as well as hers. Poor starving weegee. Gail in Tucson
Re: holes in mane/foals
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 5/11/01 3:31:32 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > no > grass..no holes! i hope it works I don't think it would work for me, because they do it for more than just food but to visit with all and sundry. It's not like anything really grows here. But maybe now that they're in a different environ, they'll do something different. My tenant in Albuquerque had a horse pregnant with her first this year and she was ok at dinner and dead in the morning. I have heard of more losses this year. And then with Sue's loss, I'm afraid my girls may be joining the cloister. I guess if you don't want to lead with your heart, you just shouldn't have horses, but ouch. Gail in Tucson
Re: long mane
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 5/10/01 3:09:47 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > and no one at the ranch thinks she is anything > but a fjord with long tresses! Karen, I want to see. Not that I could let my girls' manes grow out with them rubbing holes in their manes through the pipe fencing looking for snacks. Gail in Tucscon
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2001 #140
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Sue, I am so sorry that you lost Katrina expecailly on the heels of losing you mother. I loved seeing Katrina with her buggy.she was so elegant and lovely. I hope the little boy does well. Once again, I am so sorry. Connie Allgood (Gail's friend)
Re: Katrina
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sue, I can't believe what a rough year you are having. Connie and I are both so terribly sorry. I know you took as good of care as Katrina as it is possible to take of a horse. I'm glad Ginny sent you a helpmare. Gail
Re: Riba and Ida
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/30/01 5:33:18 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Just curious, but what kind of discipline(s) are you & your trainer headed > in with your girls? > > Karen I haven't a clue. I think by the time we "find ourselves," we'll be too old for all of them. We've been mostly apart the last year with someone else training them and me just making sure they're cared for. I hated it but life got in my way. We're readjusting to each other after a couple of weeks and they're remembering how I ask for things and we're rebonding. Secretly, I think I'd like to do team penning. I can't see me having the discipline for dressage. I love to watch it, but don't know that I'd like doing it. Don't have a trainer as such just now but a landlord who used to compete nationally in Park horse with her Arabs (not crazy at all) and has also done endurance -- a lovely woman who used to have a barn full of kids to teach and how just has her fella and me. Gail
Re: bitting question
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The girls' trainer worked them in a Tom Thumb Mullen 5" short shank bit and said they seemed happy with it. I memorized this as, frankly, I haven't a clue what any of it means. When I went to the store today, the young woman told me they didn't make those anymore and suggested a 5" pelham as being the same thing except meant for two reins. I doubt I'll ever use double reins. Would it work the same as the one the trainer used? We don't do any particular discipline, but I dum-de-dum along in an English saddle because they're lighter and easier to post in. Gail D.
Re: who's in charge
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/29/01 4:30:00 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > If your horse ignores you when you go to halter it in the pasture seems > like it is time to determine WHO is in charge. > > -As you can see, we have already done that. You just disagree with the result (vbg). Realistically, we've only been here in Tucson 2 weeks and it takes awhile to get everything back to normal. Gail D.
Re: grass?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > We need to be able to hitch ours in green lush grass at shows --My poor girls have never seen lush green grass. They would think they had gone to heaven. Gail D
Re: heads up
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I got new boots today, Ariats (breaking into a round of "I feel pretty") and tried them out with your suggestion of a light tap on the nose. Worked beautifully and instantly and I followed it up with a "good girl." Thanks folks. With me, sometimes the obvious isn't. Along the same line, there's a huge golden retriever here who chases horses, only in the turnout pen never outside, and the arabs here and he make a game of it. He has now tried sneaking up and attacking my fjords, who refuse to stop eating for him, too. He finds them very unsatisfactory. Gail Dorine
Re: advice, please
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Riba and Ida are out in a pasture with minimal grass, but after Las Cruces they think they've died and gone to heaven that there's even weeds to eat. My problem is how to get their heads up to get halters on, other than a royal battle -- climb under neck, push up, try to hold up long enough to get halter on. I know other fjord owners have had this problem. Am I being too soft? Gail Dorine
Re:reenforcing
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> It is this same thing that reinforces bad behavior, for instance, if your
> child is crying and fussing at you to get something (a cookie or piece of
> candy, etc,) and you finally give in just to get him to shut up,
And grown-ups, too, Jean. When I quit smoking 8 years ago (did I
ever do anything that stupid -- shamefully, yes), I reminded myself
constantly that the only thing a cigarette ever made me want to do is have
another. And I said to myself (mentally) within seconds of having decided to
quit, "I am a nonsmoker." And from the moment you make the decision, you
are. That feels good and it is reenforcing. When you see a kid acting like
a total brat in a store, you know it works sometimes or they wouldn't bother.
Frankly, I would run down to the tack store and scream and kick my feet,
too, if I thought it would work. Alas, once I turned 11, I just was no
longer cute enough and it stopped working. I had to find new methods --
turned out to be employment :{
Gail D
Re: clicker=pavlov
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ne is after the > behavior is learned you don't treat every time you ask for the behavior. It's basic pavlov from Psychology 101. The most powerful training is inconsistent at this point. Gail Dorine Vinson
Re: Luna
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] That was such painful reading. I forced myself to finish because I know it's valuable to my fjords for me to have shared that information and knowledge. Thank you for sharing. I am sorry I can't take on a little piece of your pain as well to lighten your load. Gail Dorine
Re: soft ways
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Clicker training, "soft" ways no no no. Yes, yes, yes -- but first you had to get his attention (LOL). Also liked your post Lisa. We tend to agree on so many things. Gail-D of Tucson
Re: biting
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > This helps, but if there are any other > suggestions I'd love to hear them. Lyons says to take their mouth in your hands and kind of rub it unpleasantly whenever they mouth you and they will usually start to avoid mouthing you. If that doesn't work and they try to bite you, he says you should immediately, within less than 3 seconds, try to kill them WITHOUT GOING NEAR THE HEAD, for about 5 seconds, which is what other horses tend to do to each other. I think the easiest method is the distraction training method where instead of teaching them not to do something, you teach them to do something else. That said, my farrier whacked Ida in the side a good one once for being a brat and she's been an angel with farriers ever since. I think the most important rule of training any animal is if something doesn't work, go to something else. So simple and yet I can't say how many times I have had to relearn that. Gail Dorine
Re: horse transport
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I'd also like some names of long distant haulers.and do you have the > URL for this "Allstate", Bonnie. Go to dogpile.com and put in horse transportation and you'll get a bunch. Alstate was double the other bids I got. Circle L seemed pretty nice on the phone and was in the middle pricewise. Gail-dorine Tucson (94 degrees)
Re: BEWARE V*RUS
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > So when the word v*rus showed up in the headers of my mail it had > to be approved by Steve before it could go on to the list. > > Mike -couldn't resist.
Re: no meat
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Anyway, go, have fun, AND EAT FISH, CRAB AND SHRIMP, - who needs meat?? -Read the latest on mercury in fish? Good thing I like tofu. It's getting scarey out there. Gail-Dorine
Re: Riba's in love
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, Cynthia moved Tank out to where my girls are. Riba has ignored Arabians and Dutch Warm Bloods or when not ignoring them has tried to kick their lights out, but now Tank (the gelding is here), her first fjord fellow and she's in heat and in love. My little purist. (Ida has had her head turned by many a fellow of many a different breed. She doesn't look like Betty Boop for nothing). Gail-Dorine
Re:search engine
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Peg, I think I found all of the info on disposable footwear by doing a > search (my fave, Google) --try dogpile.com. It's a super search engine even better than google and does about a dozen simultaneous searches not duplicating results.
Re: moving horses
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/11/01 3:12:32 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > holler if you need to move a horse (or 2). > Karen McCarthy I need to move two. However, you'd have to loop down to Las Cruces and then over to Tucson (just kidding). Got a nice bid from Circle L out of California and it's a straight trip, about 6 hours for me. Gail-Dorine
Re: list activity
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually, Steve is visiting here in Las Cruces, so I don't know if that has something to do with the slowness of the list or it's weather. He'll be home soon. Gail (leaving Las Cruces for Tucson soon)
Re: selling/Cynthia
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/7/01 9:14:40 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Makes it easier selling > your "kids"! I think about this from time to time as I have two and only need one. I could sell one of my two fjords easily, as long as it's not Riba or Ida. (vbg) There's such a difference between talking impersonally and then putting a face and personality on the idea. Hard, hard, hard. Knowing it's a great home would be essential. I am passing the limited Las Cruces baton to Cynthia, who arrived yesterday with Steve (who is very nice, by the way). I'm taking the girls to Tucson around the 15th of the month. Found a great place where they can be with me again. Gail Dorine almost Tucson
Re: photographers
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I > I know I must sound pretty sour but it > does take a lot of nerve to ask someone to do a couple days of work for > the privilege of getting their horses picture taken but it's too much > trouble to even put a name to it. Doesn't sound sour to me. I'm glad you stood up for yourselves. Gail Dorine Tucson, AZ (almost)
Re:height
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 3/28/01 5:01:54 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Please explain how two animals with the same measurements can be a > hand different in height,. It's easy. One of my brothers always told me he was 6'. Then one day he was standing next to the other who is 6'1" and I had to say, "Keith, if you're 6' and he's 6'1", how come he's so much taller than you?" He was lying to his vertically-challenged sister. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: pony
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lisa, I read that "pony" actually is a British term and doesn't necessarily apply to equines in other countries such as Norway. I don't seriously care. A rose by any other name (vbg). We may be talking semantics. Mine are 14-2 and 14-1. I did think his other information was misinformed certainly and that bigger does not equal better. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: rubber horseshoes
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Also has anyone heard of "rubber horseshoes"? When I was a kid in Spokane, my dad had a friend who put them on his Thoroughbred for winter riding. The horse ran away with him, slipped and fell and broke the guy's hip. I don't know if any of that is cause and effect, but it's the story I remember. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: tying after exercise
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 3/25/01 10:18:50 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > A trainer I really like that helps me out > always ties up his "trainee's" for 1/2 hour after their daily lesson. > He's convinced it makes them a better horse and less barn sour. > Nancy, I have read about this. The article said that instead of looking forward to being free, they're looking forward to a lesson in patience and with much less anticipation. It's 80 degrees here and everything is blooming that blooms -- we do live in the desert. Time for the nasty dust storms to start. Our falls and winters are marvelous. now comes the tricky part. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: overfeeding/worming practices
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have had to board the girls for the last year, which I hate. But the woman where I have them heard me when I told her the biggest danger to Fjords was overfeeding. Then she saw a show on tv about founder and ponies, and the girls look great. She's convinced they're ponies and I'm convinced they're horses, and they're convinced they're hungry. But they'd feel that way even if they were 300 lbs. heavier. Here in NM, my vet has had me rotate wormers every 2 months, Ivermectin and then Strongid or some such 2 months later, and then twice a year double Strongid. I've never had any trouble giving it to them, other than you have to jump back once Ida gets hers, because she stomps her foot like a little kid. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: Fjord fjeet
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 3/23/01 4:56:51 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > but my Fjords, and most Fjords that I have > been around seem to have thin walls or thin soles or both. All the fjords I've seen or my farrier has seen in NM have marvelous feet and rarely need shoes, depending on use, of course. I wonder if it isn't something to do with climate or regional feed that's causing the problem. We're very dry here. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: antibiotics
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sad when the Naxel type meds wont work with our true > infections any more. Lisa It's just too bad horses won't drink chicken soup. That's good for viruses, too. Maybe applied topically with a matza ball poultice. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: in common
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > The > only thing they have in common is the bran and carrots. -and the farrier. How about a second opinion, just in case. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: dentist
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The vet did my fjords wolf teeth with anesthesia. The dentist just does the fine points and they don't need anesthesia for that because they are such good girls. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: aggie schools
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I > Wash. State University at Pullman That's where I wanted to go to school, their vet school, when I graduated from high school, in '62, but that was pre-student loans and I was poor and they openly discouraged girls and had a higher grade point requirement for them -- mine suffered some harm when I flunked home ec. We've come a long way, haven't we? Of course, being from Spokane, I was also warned in high school against the Univ. of Wash. at Seattle as being "commie infiltrated." Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: NMSU curriculum
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 3/15/01 10:03:00 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I too worked for a > University and it was the best as you are up with the elite and the newest > procedures. Best of luck. Jean Jean, it's actually kind of an aggie college -- go to the site for interest in its horse program. It's NMSU (New Mexico State Univ.). There aren't that many colleges with Olympic reining teams. I can't imagine going to school and taking horses, wow. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: Cynthia's NM move
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > This list is great and everywhere Steve and I go anymore, there is a > Fjord person to meet. Visit us in Las Cruces so we can return the favor! > If you want to visit her here at this time of year, it's 75 degrees and I have all the doors and windows open. There are other fjords here, too. I was driving down a road and glanced over in amazement at a pen with about 6 fjords in it, so of course I pulled in. The guy lives half the year here and half in Santa Fe as an outfitter. He's used the fjords for years as packhorses, because if the pack slips under their bellies, they just stop and stand and wait as opposed to going ballistic. Except the biggest fjord he just rides because it's his favorite. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: mules
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 3/14/01 10:56:03 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > They were truly lovely to look at, were > obviously MULES, and seemed a bit better tempered than > the 'regular' mule. 'Nuff said. > I think mules should be permitted since they're obviously mules and also sterile. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: stubborn
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was warned against fjords because they were stubborn and my girls are stubborn at times. I don't mind. There's worse things. If you wait and let them think, they'll cooperate. People who train warmbloods like the girls. I think SOME people go into horses so they can bully something larger than themselves and that doesn't work well with fjords. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: Warning to Washington
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Warning From California TO: The People of Washington State Wednesday's earthquake was just a warning. Now that we have your attention, sell us your power, give us back our sunshine and take back your damn rain and we'll take back our earthquakes. FROM: The People of California Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: cross-breeding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > sheep industry and cattle > even further back. Crossbreeding is a solid part of good business We don't want to eat our mistakes, though. Gail Dorine
Re: vet check
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mine cost $600, > blind trust is not that cheap Jean Ah, Jean, but a sick animal can cost thousands and thousands. At the $600, you probably got the full check with all the X-rays. With mine I got a simple check that only ran about $200 apiece, but when you're buying from Los Trigos, that's certainly adequate in my view. Of course, I didn't know that, then, but I'm a pretty good judge of character and I felt secure. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: purchase of sick horse
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > happy and > up to date on all shots, registered, etc., the price was good and they > bought sight unseen. It wouldn't have taken care of papers, but I was taught in my research that you never buy a horse unvetted from anybody and that fee for vetting could be the best savings you ever made. Even honest people can be barn blind. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: strong opinions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Somebody really pulled your chain. I am occasionally overpassionate about my opinions. Whoops. It was the day the kid shot the other kids in San Diego. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: topics
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 3/7/01 3:57:53 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > And it's my constitutional > right to keep and bear arms. And if they had decent locks on them cued to you so some teenager couldn't kill half a school, would you be Constitutionally deprived? Really? And if they had to have the locks to be allowed to sell the guns, the manufacturers would figure it out in a New York minute. Let's just tlak about fjords and such, ok? Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: axiom
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The way to make $1 million raising horses -- start with $2 million. You only make money doing what other people don't want to do and surely everybody wants to stay home and play with their horses. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re:Westminster
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > My Adorable Bichon puppy 5 mths old (AKA mop dog) is elated that her > relations won. And as far as the Corgi goes, I'm totally out of step, by way of a change. i liked the Bloodhound. They are the sweetest dogs and that was a nice one. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: Congrats
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Congratulations to you with new fjords, both those pretty little babies and the new imports. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: sweltering in Alaska
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jean in Beautiful balmy sunny Fairbanks, Alaska > Gloat away, Jean. You've earned it and deserve it!! I'll be whining long before next winter. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: Centered riding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Think of it as the difference between riding a bicycle and sitting on a > couch. I like that. I thought that was a very concise and clear description, Amy. There's a rider I know in Albuquerque that's about 6'5" and 240+ lbs. that rides leaning back with his legs forward, like he was in a recliner, and always at a canter and above. He can't figure out why his horses all misbehave. I suspect it's because their backs hurt. I feel so insecure in the saddle when I get out of a generally balanced position that I find it very uncomfortable. I would love to find a centered riding instructor and work some more on the fine points. Actually, I think most of the methods teach the same thing, but I find Sally Swifts' works easier to comprehend. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re:centered riding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/28/01 2:47:01 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > could you explain (teach) just what it means to "stay centered", and how to > do it? Thanks. Judy Read Centered Riding by Sally Swift. It's a marvelous book. And, of course, Mary Wanless is supposed to be super but I haven't got to those yet. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Bailey's filly
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/26/01 1:49:25 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Our first foal of the year was born about an hour ago, and she is an adorable > > filly! We will have pictures soon. This is exciting! > > Lynda > > Lynda and Daniel > Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm > White Cloud, MI Congratulations!!! Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re:free feeding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I really do not want them getting > fat. I was so proud, and so was my vet last spring when they looked great. > By the way right now we only have two Fjords. If you're not careful, they could founder. I wouldn't let my Fjords free feed. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: climate/farriers
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We've had an inch of snow all year in southern NM and I've worn a coat maybe three times. Before you move here, NM is 49th in income for the states and it's not cheap living. And that stepping-out fjord was in snow. You should see the difference in Riba between summer and winter. She's truly pokey in the summer and makes trainers crazy, but she's a stepping-out kind of gal in the winter. Karen, that sort of echoes what I said about "knowing your farrier." I had a friend come out from her house just in time to catch a farrier slugging her horse in the head -- and he was president of the farriers association. My old farrier whacked Ida in the side hard with his fist once and that was fine, she deserved it and understood it and has behaved beautifully ever since. If he had kicked her, we would be talking dead farrier. Walt liked me to help him, because I didn't interfere with his work and just listened to his stories (VBG). He's an old guy and says the only bad injury he ever got was from a kid's gelding that was so gentle that he forgot to be careful. Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
Re: going on
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Hi I am 11 going on 12 in june, > wat do you mean you cant find the 13th warier? > I'm 55, going on 56, and I probably can't see it on the shelf (LOL). Gail Dorine Las Cruces, NM
