Re: New Questions
This message is from: Kelly Gage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Woah Pam! You have to admit, there are many breeders out there who turn a blind eye to their horse's faults just to have a foal. We're all like that to some degree. Kelly ... do not feel overwhelmed by the length of this journey. All you ever need to do is focus on one thing, what you are doing. Stay on the path and put one foot in front of the other - that is all. There is joy in the struggle. -P.T.Sudo _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
Re: Breeding Politics (was New Questions)
This message is from: Kelly Gage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Pam, Most certainly respect your opinion also, and your position. You also have to understand the growth of breeding technology. A performance mare does not necessarily need to take time off from the circuit t4o have a foal or loose training, embryo transfer (for those who can afford it) is an option. Although the technology is fairly new, it is expanding the longevity of both mare and stallion in the breeding shed. Cooled, frozen, and chilled seman, embryo transfer, better lab work, more knowledge on genetics, and more sanitary conditions. A stallion who has died, and has been collected can have his genetic memory bank frozen until the right mare comes along. There is less wear and tear on the uterus. Great time to be alive. There is an old saying, there are many roads that lead to rome. Like you said it applies to horses. There are many ways, some right, some wrong, and some that just simply are weird. I can't travel anyone else's road but mine. In otherwords I have my phylo and you have yours. There is also another reason why I worry about performance so much. The horse world is increadibly small. It probably has only three or four degrees of seperation in the entire thing. Anything that comes out of your farm, has your name written all over it. Good, bad, or otherwise. If I want my name associated to something, I better be sure I know what I'm putting my name to. Anything less would be a shame. Again, JMHO. Kelly ... do not feel overwhelmed by the length of this journey. All you ever need to do is focus on one thing, what you are doing. Stay on the path and put one foot in front of the other - that is all. There is joy in the struggle. -P.T.Sudo _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Re: New Questions
This message is from: Kelly Gage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Pam, The reason I say 9-10 years for breeding is not only because of the record behind the horse, but the horse has also matured enough in the bone structure and emotionally. I would like to compare breeding three and four year olds to prengant teenagers, they might be hormonally ready, but they are far from structurally sound and emotionally ready. They are still growing, still maturing. I know most people on here breed for pleasure, or to have the occasional foal. If I breed a horse, or any animal, I'm seriously going to have to like the animal(as a whole), know its performance record, and must meet all ideal of the breed. Otherwise it doesn't get bred. The ideal of breeding (for me at least) is to better the breed. By waiting, I know what I have, and the value of the foal increases dramatically. By performance record, I don't necessarily mean under saddle, a consistant conformation and movement winner with good lines is just as good. JMHO. Kelly ... do not feel overwhelmed by the length of this journey. All you ever need to do is focus on one thing, what you are doing. Stay on the path and put one foot in front of the other - that is all. There is joy in the struggle. -P.T.Sudo _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Re: New Questions
This message is from: Kelly Gage [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1) I can't help you with the trimming part, but I would cut a little closer than normal, that way over the summer it grows out and you won't have to do multipul trims. 2) Don't use bathtubs, use rubber tubs. Fence off the creek unless there is shallow parts to it. Horses of any age can drown 3) I wouldn't breed a mare until she has proven herself in the show ring for many years. So I say not until 9 or 10 years old. 4) There is very low(emphisis on very) cases of incest in a wild herd, fillies, and colts generally leave the herd (or are stolen by other band stallions or form bacholor bands). If there is incest, it is usually by a related stallion. 5)No riding at two years, EVER. Wait until the horse has matured until three or four years. 6) Since summer grass isn't as rich as spring grass, I supplement with good hay and grain. 7)Take shifts for foal watch. Usually nature takes care of things, but keep watch. Pick shifts, and keep watch. Have the vet on call if anything happens and have the trailer hitched if you need it. Kelly ... do not feel overwhelmed by the length of this journey. All you ever need to do is focus on one thing, what you are doing. Stay on the path and put one foot in front of the other - that is all. There is joy in the struggle. -P.T.Sudo _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
Re: Breed Prejudices
This message is from: Kelly Gage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve- The judges that I ride in front of are L-R's I have only met one FEI judge (scribing). They are all trained the same, by the same USDF university, and undergo the same very rigorous tests. I do know the difference between competitive and classic. I can also tell you from the judges that I've met, none of them will stake their reputation simply because they like one breed over another. Lots and lots to be lost. Trust me there is very little bias, and this is coming from an east coast person (where there SHOULD be a lot of bias) who rides with an r judge. What good is a horse that can extend naturally but can't do it properly? What good is a horse that can collect but cannot sit on its haunches properly? If the horse doesn't do it properly it will not get the scores. Natural exention and collection doesn't mean a thing, so the horse has spectacular gaits, but no where on a USAE test is there a mark for individual gaits(w/t/c). For a short coupled breeds, such as arabians do remarkably well, so do connemaras, drafts (and quite a few draft crosses) and welshs, these breeds have short coupled backs, but still get the scores. Again its how you perform the test. It all boils down to this, if the horse is trained properly and thoroughly, the scores reflect it. I have seen fjords in the US score 10's on movements(under very tough, and respectable judges), I've also seen warmbloods score twos(big movers, from nice lines). I would say that the US is a melting pot for all breeds. Not all of us can afford a warmblood. Many people still want to compete in dressage so they look for alternitives. Many breeds came onto the scene. Thoroughbreds, ponies, arabians, and even though they were not the norm, they still managed to get the scores. The thing about GP, not all horses (warmbloods included) are destined to do the GP. Its still a very paticular horse. Kelly Dagrun-this guy sounds like something up my ally, could you email me? I have a tough time translating Norse. ... do not feel overwhelmed by the length of this journey. All you ever need to do is focus on one thing, what you are doing. Stay on the path and put one foot in front of the other - that is all. There is joy in the struggle. -P.T.Sudo _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Judge Prejudice
This message is from: Kelly Gage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well I've been reading through some of the posts and I found the main complaint of some people is breed prejudice. I find this especially rampart in the dressage posts. Why do most people on this board think that? I'm talking from a dressage rider's POV (so if anything seems a little off base excuse me). I know prejudice exists to some extent, but its not as rampart as most people make it out to be. Yes people ride warmbloods, but it doesn't mean that they will win. Dressage isn't about the horse or the gaits, its about the training of the horse. All judges regonize this fact and will pin a horse based soley on the performance they see. I'll be the first to admit that riding with a judge, you gain alot of insight to what judges look for. I have to tell you, its all about the performance. They could care less about the breed. Generally speaking, those who claim bias against a judge usually put in a poor performance. It doesn't take a fifty thousand dollar horse to win a class, it takes training. Next time there is a post about dressage, could we please avoid claiming bias or prejudice? Its poor sportsmanship to assume that the judge will pin another horse simply over breed espcally in dressage. Kelly We are all worms, but I do believe I am a glow worm. W. Churchill _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Photos
This message is from: Kelly Gage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, Hope everyone's season is going well. Well, I have a slight project at hand, and I think anyone can help me out. For my photography class I'm making a composite (whole bunch of photos on one canvas), I would love to use some photos if any of you have them. Just send them along:-) Thank you, Kelly ... do not feel overwhelmed by the length of this journey. All you ever need to do is focus on one thing, what you are doing. Stay on the path and put one foot in front of the other - that is all. There is joy in the struggle. -P.T.Sudo _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
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This message is from: Kelly Gage [EMAIL PROTECTED] VERY FUNNY! Must check out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=866419376 Kelly _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Why doesn't
This message is from: Kelly Gage [EMAIL PROTECTED] First I want to congrads Lauren over her 'grey streak' of foals! Remember take lots of photos!! I've been following the list for a little while, and a few things have interested me. One, I've noticed that there really is no youth organization or united front. Why is that? I'm also curious if anyone would be interested in having a specific site where free classifieds and stallion listings for fjords would be posted for free (photos, discription, links, the works). Updated and maintained as needed. I would be very willing to donate and provide the upkeep. Lemme know. Kelly _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
USDF connection
This message is from: Kelly Gage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Congradulations to the all breed award winners! Kelly _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Cornell's Horse Expo 2001
This message is from: Kelly Gage [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know it was a little while ago, but I'm curious for the east coaster (and or the westers) out there who attended? It was March 6-8th. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: The Mane
This message is from: Kelly Gage [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was just wondering on the tradition behind that LOL. From: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: The Mane Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 14:46:53 -0700 This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] kelly, if you roach it, you can see the stripe better and accentuate even more that beautiful arch in the neck. au naturel, the stripe gets lost and looks wild! denise _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
The Mane
This message is from: Kelly Gage [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm curious, and this question just popped into my mind, why is the Fjord's mane roached? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Hello!
This message is from: Kelly Gage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I just wanted to introduce myself as the newest member of the list. My name is Kelly Gage, I'm an Elkie (Norwegian Elkhound) owner, and a Fjord closet fan. I'm located in New Jersey, and I'm actually looking for my next dressage prospect, any one who has a dressage type for sale on the east coast? Well, hope to meet you all, Kelly _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
