Re: Dream Vehicle???
This message is from: "CNielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Vanessa--What about a 1 ton Chevy Suburban--we have a 1/2 ton but we don't haul the trailer with it, it has LOTS of room and you can take out the third seat and put your dogs back there--it has it's own nob for heat and cooling. Randi in Wisc. - Original Message - From: "Vanessa N. Weber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 8:03 AM Subject: Dream Vehicle??? > This message is from: "Vanessa N. Weber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Ok, my dream vehicle (I think), would be one which could easily pull a two > horse trailer, have a back seat for 2 kids (ages 7 and 9), and space in the > very back to transport some toy dogs to dog shows along with show gear and a > couple of suitcases. I understand what everyone is saying about heavy duty > towing - it makes sense to me. My little dogs would not do well crated in > the back of a truck, especially in cold or bad weather. I used to own a Ram > Van 3500 which I used for showing. I was told it could pull a trailer, but I > never did it. The Ram Van finally bit the dust and hasn't been replaced. > > This 'perfect' vehicle might not exist, but if it does, what might it be? I > only started with Chrysler because we've had a good relationship with the > local company, it's not cast in stone, however. > > Thanks, > > Vanessa > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vanessa N. Weber > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:38 PM > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Durango and Ram 1500 > > This message is from: "Vanessa N. Weber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi, > > Has anyone on this list had experienced pulling a two horse trailer with > either the Durango or Ram 1500? If so, could you give me your appraisal? Our > au-pair totalled our car so now is the time to change things. We have a good > track record with Chrysler, but would consider something else. I know I > asked you about trailers a while ago, but I seem to have lost all Fjord > related e-mail prior to June of last year. I am very annoyed.. > > Best to all, > > Vanessa > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: take it out back
This message is from: "CNielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi--I have a mare and a gelding that are sort of pee potty trained--They will wait til they get outside to go about 90% of the time--it really helps save on shavings. It was purley accident to have them do this but one night before the mare came in she must have had to go and did it in front of me --I told her what a great girl she was... then in the a.m. when she came out she hadn't pee'd in her stall yet and when i took her out she again pee'd in front of me and again I told her how wonderful and smart she was--since then she usually waits to go outside--I never thought this was possible but her son did the same thing one night and I praised him and sure enough in the a.m. when he hadn't gone in his stall and then when he got out and did it outside I told him he was great and again since then he will hold it too--sometimes i worry that this might cause a problem but dogs do it all the time--no?? once in awhil if i bring them in earlier than usual they will go inside (which is o.k. with me) but for the most part they wait. We have another young mare that I've tried this with but she won't wait til she goes out--in fact when she see's me she seems to pee right away in the stall. They are hardly ever in the stall more than 8 hours a night. Randi in Wisconsin - Original Message - From: "Ellen Barry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Re: take it out back > This message is from: Ellen Barry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > You don't potty train a horse. But they don't like to do the big one on the > rubber somehow. I guess because they don't like to lay down in their own > manure. They like to lie down on the rubber. So they do it in the shavings. It > takes a while though before they start picking up that habit. > I guess it's just trial and error. So I guess this is why they get to do it > this way. > I keep mama and colt separated at night in stalls, because that's how I start > weaning him. And that's how I noticed them picking up this habit. I don't know > if the 2 other horses would do it. Normally, I never keep them in stalls. > Ellen. > > > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Okay...how do you potty train a horse? Never heard of that before. > Niki in CT > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: winter ice
This message is from: "CNielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Bonnie, * I have been having the same problem with ice--except we have had it for 2 weeks now!! * We live on a ridge so our back pasture is down hill and our other one is really out in the north wind with a bit of a slant to it too--kind of tricky for the horses when it gets icy. I use barn lime if it's on hand or clay cat litter or used shavings without the poopcicles in it. I mostly just spread it for traction where they walk--I try to keep their hay out of it. It really seems to help. Randi Nielsen Blue River, Wi. - Original Message - From: "Bonnie Liermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: winter ice > This message is from: "Bonnie Liermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi. As stated, the really bad winter weather is coming, starting tonight. We > had rain and now the temps will go to -30below. I am going to stall my horses > tonight. Usually they are out with shelter. My question/concern is all that > water in their pasture is now turning to ice. Anyone have any good > suggestions for me? I can assume this ice may last for quite a while if the > temperatures stay winter-like. > > I picked up a big bag if salt and I'm going to put it down around their water > etc. but it looks like there is no safe place for them to hang out in the > pasture. Ice is something I fear because I know more than one person who lost > a horse that split out on ice. > > Bonnie in WI - was it really a week ago that I had a nice long ride?
Re: Corn Oil Residue
This message is from: "CNielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> maybe you can use a clipper and shave them off--the hair and wiskers will grow back. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 4:55 PM Subject: Corn Oil Residue > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Patrick gets corn oil in his feed every evening and over the winter he has > developed a whole muzzle full of black "globs" made up of corn oil and dirt! I > am so desperate I resorted to using sheath cleaner on the "globs" to no avail. > There has to be a better way of removing them other than pulling the hair > off his face! Does anyone know a good way to remove this mess? > > Patrick and I would both thank you for any help with this problem (specially > Patrick who's tired of having his hair pulled out!) > > Carol 'n Patrick in Ct.
Re: NO POOPY STALLS HERE
This message is from: "CNielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ruthie, Here's a question--do we really know how cold weather get's in Norway to really expect Fjords to be able to tolerate our really cold climate Or should i put it --does it get as cold there as it does here in some places and is it as damp and humid there??? can we really lable the breed as hardy to extreme temp if it dosn't get that cold there?? Just wondering because the one of the Fjords i have --kept under the same conditions as my other 2 breeds sometimes seem more sensitive to changes to the weather. just wondering - Original Message - From: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 10:58 AM Subject: Re: NO POOPY STALLS HERE > This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Basically, I never want to see them shivering. > > Jamie > > In the Mountains SW of Denver, CO > > I've never seen a Fjord shiver..? (I would wonder if it were sick if it > did!) We allow ours to be either in or out in the winter, at their choosing, > and they usually always choose being outside. > > The Norwegian Fjord horse is one of the few most hardy and winterworthy > breeds there are! I wonder if it is possibly a disservice to them by overly > coddling them from climactic changes? > > Ruthie, nw mt
Re: Wintec Bridle
This message is from: "CNielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How about browband measurment??? My mare has a pretty wide brow area and most bridles were too small. Finally found one by Keiffer that fit in a regular horse size. Randi in Wisc. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 7:51 AM Subject: Re: Wintec Bridle > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In a message dated 4/5/2003 4:37:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Any suggestions on how to measure for a bridle? > > Measure from where the bit connects to where the bit connects on an existing > bridle, or from the corner of the mouth to the corner of the mouth (both up > over behind the ears, like the path the bridle would follow). Then take a > tape measure with you, or ask for that measurement if thinking about ordering > online. You'd want something within a few inches, becuase of adjustment > abilities of bridles.
Re: MWFHC Winter Meeting
This message is from: "CNielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, just a quick note--if anyone is interested-- the Super 8 has a pool also and it's about a block from the White house.I work across the street from the Super 8.It's not a big town but there is a Pizza Hut but everything usually shuts down fairly early.can't wait --it's always a lot of fun. Randi in s.w.Wisc. - Original Message - From: "Dave & Patti Jo Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "fjord horse" Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:50 PM Subject: MWFHC Winter Meeting > This message is from: "Dave & Patti Jo Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The official registration form for the club's winter meeting is in the mail > and on my desk so I want to get the word out to everyone about the Midwest > Fjord Horse Club's Winter Meeting. The dates are Friday March 28-Sunday March > 30, 2003. We will be meeting at the White House Ramada Inn in Richland Center > WI. A block of rooms has been reserved at the White House Ramada Inn > 1-800-585-3865, single $59.33, double $63.86. Also a block of rooms reserved > at the Super 8, 1-608-647-8988 > (1-800-800-8000)short drive away for $61.60 single and $65.70 double. The > White House has a swimming pool and restaurant but only 20 rooms has been > quaranteed, so call early! > > Cash bar, lower level, Friday night and Sat. evening. Arrangement have been > made for Sat. lunch and dinner, Sunday Brunch and 2 coffee breaks. Friday > night dinner and Sat. breakfast you are on your own. > > Wayne Hipsley, NFHR Evaluator and Fjord judge will be presenting the seminar. > Sat. 8-12/1:30-5 > Sun. 8-10/11-2 > > MWFHC will hold it's meeting immediately following the 6:30PM dinner on Sat. > > FEES: Individual member $50 per person, Family $75 per couple, Non-member $65 > per person. > > MEALS: $45 per person for SAT. lunch, SAT. Dinner, Sun. Brunch and 2 coffee > breaks > > Send to MWFHC C/O Sharon Falck 201 12th AVE NE, Oelwein IA 50662 POSTMARKED > BY MARCH 10th 2003 > > > Email myself Patti Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] or Sharon Falck at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with any questions. > Fax for Sharon 319-283-3175 phone 319-283-3164 > > Hope to see you all there! > > WE HAVE SNOW AND IT'S GORGEOUS. Been enjoying riding all week in it, just > love it! > Patti Jo Walter > Francis Creek Fjords > Two Rivers WI
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2002 #200
This message is from: "CNielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Sheri, My Fjords seem to like to eat it also--it looks pretty bad but my vet assured me it wasn't as bad as it looks, onless there are extreme cases. My guys come in drooling buckets but otherwise they eat and munch their hay as normal. they do seem to drink LOTS more water tho--my only worrie is dehydration. My vet also told me it was from white clover, and that it happens when climate conditions are right (heat,humidity) with the puffy eyes i would contact the vet and just ask if there is more of a problem going on. Randi from s.w. Wisc - Original Message - From: "sheri kane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 7:05 PM Subject: Re: fjordhorse-digest V2002 #200 > This message is from: "sheri kane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hello Fjord friends, > I have something to ask all of you. My Redford is out on pasture, 4 > acres of it with 4 other horses. He is happy as can be. Today he came in > looking terrible. They say he must have gotten into the Red Clover they > told me. > He was drooling all over and his eyes were swollen too. The barn owner told > me that she mowed it all down today but even tonight he would stand for > awhile then just spill out a huge mouthful of clear saliva. They said that > most of the horses stay away from it. Have you heard of this, can it be > dangerous?? He did not show any signs of colic or otherwise being sick. > Have you heard of such a thing, Should I be worried about the next time he > gets into this? > Thanks for your help. Sheir and Red
Re: Swollen eyes
This message is from: "CNielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Mark, don't know what caused the swollen eyes-i would contact your vet-they may know.The swat comes in a white formula-goes on clear--so they just look like they have greasy spots. We have a OLD Tenessee Walker mare(33 yrs.) sometimes her eye's will puff up--i got eye salve from the vet and that seems to help after a couple of days--usually only happens in the summer but i have had it happen in the winter if it's really windy out--i'n not sure of the cause of it tho--the flys aren't bad this year and her eye's haven't puffed up yet.Who knows--some sort of infection??? Randi in s.w. Wisconcin - Original Message - From: "Skeels, Mark A (MED)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 6:36 PM Subject: Swollen eyes > This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A (MED)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > One of the mares has swollen eyes, then the swelling goes down, then may > come back. A couple people around here said their horses do the same > thing and it is due to flies, one puts on a fly hood that helps. > > Just wondering what anyone else thinks or if they have that problem. My > wife wiped some swat around her eyes, looked like a pink raccoon. Could > it be like hay fever reaction to different kind of plants in the > pasture. There is a little thistle out there but that's about it. The > swelling is pretty much gone this week but was pretty bad a couple weeks > ago. > > Mark Skeels, South Central Wisconsinand trying to get that 3rd crop > in, so far the weather is cooperating.
Re: Evaluation Event
This message is from: "CNielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Ann, what time does all the fun start 8a.m. thanks - Original Message - From: "Green Valley Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:43 AM Subject: Evaluation Event > This message is from: "Green Valley Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > NFHR EVALUATION - GALENA, ILLINOIS > > > Hey, every Fjord lover out there, WE ARE READY! > > We are so excited about our upcoming NFHR Evaluation; we want to share it with > all of you! Come and watch the event: what an excellent learning experience > it will be! > We will be at Shenandoah Riding Center in Galena, IL on Monday August 12 and > Tuesday, August 13. Call for more information: 815-777-6008. > > On Monday, there will be 27 Fjords doing Conformation tests. In the afternoon: > Western riding. > On Tuesday, there will be 37 Fjords doing all the other Performance tests. > 11 horses are signed up for advanced tests. > > What an opportunity to view a large selection of this gentle breed! Many of > these horses have medallions and ribbons to their credit. There are horses > coming from as far as Colorado, North Carolina and Ohio. There will be 7 > Breeding stallions in the event. I know you do not want to miss seeing all > that testosterone! (under control of course)! > Ann at Green Valley Farm
Re: Not Drinking Cold Water
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Great reminder Curt, I'm a firm believer in warmer water for my guys too. twice a day I give my fjords a big bucket of pretty warm water--NOT HOT-- they all drink 3/4 of the bucket each-with relish. they all have heated stock tanks but really go for the warm water and seem to wait when they know it's time for it. take care and happy new year! Randi in 6 degree Wi. - Original Message - From: "Curtis Pierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 9:02 AM Subject: Not Drinking Cold Water > This message is from: Curtis Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi Everyone, > > I remember this subject being discussed last winter, but now that it is > finally cold here in the east, I wanted to remind everyone. We had our > 8 month old colt colic earlier this week. We found out that he was not > drinking as much water as he normally does. Since this occurred at the > same time that it got colder here, we think that he didn't want to drink > the cold water. He has recovered well from the colic. Now that we have > turned-on all the water heaters, he seems to be drinking more water. > Hopefully, this reminder will prevent someone else from having to pay a > vet a few hundred dollars or more for colic treatment. > > Curt Pierce > Bristow VA > Have a Happy Fjord New Year and enjoy your Fjords!!
Re: sinus problems
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi - I know this may sound crazy but I had a yearling with a goopy nose last year--I put some Vicks balm in his nose and it seemed to clear him out in a couple days. I did it twice a day, just a finger full or so right inside his nose, it loosened his sinuses up at first and gobs of "snot" came out but then it was way less and he seemed he felt better too. he was on antibiotic too-- but the Vicks was more of an immediate remedy. hope you find something that helps and he's feeling better soon. Randi in Wisc. - Original Message - From: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "fjord" Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:40 AM Subject: sinus problems > This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I get so much help from all the ideas here. Here is another question. How > do you treat sinus infections in horses? I treated two of my horses some > years ago with Vit C in large doses and electrolytes. Took about three > months and either they outgrew it or the treatment worked. Now my guy is > streaming a white/gray stuff from his one nostril and scope showed > infection. As he is allergic to penicillin I have started him on Vit C and > Lixotinic. We are having icy weather so it is not helping the situation. > Vet says use SMZs but I have a terrible time getting them down him, believe > me I have tried all the honey, apple sauce , molasses etc. A very suspicious > horse. Jean > Jean Walters Gayle > [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" > Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] > http://users.techline.com/jgayle > Send $20 > Three Horses Press > PO Box 104 > Montesano, WA 98563
Re: crest
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> HI Marcy, was wondering what kind of magnesium and where did you find it?? thanks,Randi in Wisc. - Original Message - From: "briar hill farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:08 AM Subject: Re: crest > This message is from: "briar hill farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > . My warm blood mare always has a crest and I must watch her feed > > during the spring, summer and early fall as the crest can get very hard > and > > to me that means founder. Seems to me it stays the same size only softer > or > > harder. Jean > > Horse Journal, Jan 2001, has an article on supplementing magnesium on > cresty, prone to laminitis horses. I used the magnesium along with exercise > and diet program an a very cresty mare I had in for training, with good > success. > Marcy > > Briar Hill Farm > http://briarhillfarm.com
Re: dna testing
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't think there is a problem with hurting you fjord--horses do ALOT more painful things to each other than pulling 50 hairs out! neither of my guy's even flinched--and one was barley a yearling-- what happens when you brush your guys mane out??? don't you find hairs come out--please don't make more out of it than it really is. Randi in s.w. Wisc. - Original Message - From: "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Fjord Digest" Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 11:50 AM Subject: dna testing > This message is from: "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > << any ideas on the quickest, easiest way to yank out 50 hairs > with roots intact from the mane and tail? >>>> > > >>> > > > Eat a light breakfast. Say prayers. Do not attempt this >while alone. > > Clasp hairs in fingers. Gloves optional. Stand away >from hoofs. Yank > hard > >in one sudden motion, do not pull slowly or gently. Be >ready to move > >yourself. Do not try to do all the hairs at once, but keep >in mindthe > >poor horse will remember this procedure every passing >day if you drag it > on. > >Wear a disquise or have hubby do it. Flat, fast shoes, >no heels. Do not > drop > >hairs in haste of moving from hoofs aiming for you. >Keep in mind that > horses > >can and do kick sideways. Call Mike May for >complaining about this > torture. > >Its all his idea, Im sure. > >Lisa Pedersen > > Who in Heavens name came up with this sort of torture? Mike May did you > really do that?? My colt, Redbank Desert Storm, was registered in the > Canadian Fjord registry and dna was not done. He was microchipped and that > was it. Surely if dna is necessary, there must be some method of getting > this without torturing the poor horse in this manner. This is > ridiculous...putting a horse through that! If it is as bad as you say, > Lisa, then the S.P.C.A. should be notified! If someone started pulling out > my hair three strands or even one at a time, for that matter, I would not > forget and they had better be running when they finish and stay clear of me > for quite some time...like when I get so senile I forget.! Can't dna be > taken from saliva? If this was necessary to register my horse, I am very > much afraid he would remain unregistered! After all, I have to do this > beasties mane for the rest of his life and if to do dna results in risk of > life and limbNO THANK YOU! IMHO Papers are not that all important to > me! > Sue in N.B. (Desert Storm's mom)
Re: Record Book
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> yes I see them too!!! I was wondering if I was seeing things on my way home from work at 12:30a.m., but when I got home where its much darker I knew it was them---boy twice within a couple of months, amazing!!! randi in s.w. wisc. - Original Message - From: Jon & Mary Ofjord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 12:18 AM Subject: Re: Record Book > This message is from: Jon & Mary Ofjord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > P.S. > I can nearly read it by the incredible display of Northern Lights going on > at the moment! > > Jon
Re: Dutch Keuring Results Included in Book-
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> why don't the owners of Fjord stallions who have Dutch keuring scores just have them evaluated here in this country with the American system--then it would be a more comparable score with the rest of the Fjords here??? randi in Wis.. - Original Message - From: Arthur Rivoire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Dutch Keuring Results Included in Book- > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) > > > > Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - > > Vivian's idea to include in The Evaluation Book the results of all the > horses that were evaluated by the Dutch judges this year and in the past is > a sound one. Well thought out and very constructive. > > It would be a great disservice to everyone interested in Evaluations not to > include the Dutch results, and it would make for a very incomplete record > book. > > Another good point Vivian made was that the inclusion of the Dutch results > would go a long way towards unification in the interest of a common goal > helping owners and breeders make informed decisions as to breeding > and the work the horse does in his lifetime. > > She even proposed that IF the NFHR was unwilling to pay the small extra > charge for these pages to be included, then it's likely that those owners > who participated in the Keurings would be willing to chip in. > > I hope somebody's paying attention. This is a good idea! > > Best Regards, Carol Rivoire > Carol and Arthur Rivoire > Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II > R.R. 7 Pomquet > Antigonish County > Nova Scotia > B2G 2L4 > 902 386 2304 > http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf > > >
Re: Heavy Heart - long
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> so Steve, what are the possible causes,if any for colitis??? if any. thanks , randi - Original Message - From: Steve White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 7:08 PM Subject: Re: Heavy Heart - long > This message is from: Steve White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Jean, > > Colitis can come on very rapidly sometimes. Occasionally, there are no > signs at all. You just find a dead horse when you go out to the barn. > Other times they will go on for days. Very hard to predict or give a > prognosis. > > Steve > > --Original Message-- > From: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Sent: December 28, 2000 1:31:27 AM GMT > Subject: Re: Heavy Heart - long > > > This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I saw it Jean but these have gone down so fast, colitis and enteritis are > tail swishers at least for a while. Or so I thought. Hard to believe even > our stoic beasts would not show signs of a progressive disease like that. > Help Steve.Jean > > > > > > > > Jean Gayle > Aberdeen, WA > [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" > Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] > http://www.techline.com/~jgayle > Barnes & Noble Book Stores > > >
Re: Heavy Heart - long
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi jean-I guess you and I are the only ones up at this hour--it is really scarie all this stuff going on- I really think some of the symptoms sound unlike colic but Brenda did say she read that it might have been something like a twisted bowl --with Bert going into shock too--I just recently lost my old dog to bloat--seems similar-and ive had a couple of my horses have mild cases of colic (non fjords)--but ive always recognized something was up in the early stages so I started to work with them right away, it does make me a bit paranoid tho. I wish ther was a explanation or some sort for some of these symptoms and causes too. well have a good night(or morning,if that applies) randi nielsen blue river ,wi. - Original Message - From: Jean Gayle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 1:02 AM Subject: Re: Heavy Heart - long > This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > My greatest sympathy to all who have lost their beloved horses. I am > becoming alarmed at all of the "unknown" causes of these losses. I do know > that the Nile disease is spreading and 12 people have also died of it. Could > this possibly be a cause of this recent rash of "colic" deaths? Jean > > > > > > Jean Gayle > Aberdeen, WA > [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" > Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] > http://www.techline.com/~jgayle > Barnes & Noble Book Stores > >
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #256
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> hi Wanda- I know Alan Merrill has a really nice Mare for sale-I don't know the price but she rides and drives-his phone # is 608-935-9261- he is in dodgeville Wisc.- hope this helps give you a start. Randi in Wisc. - Original Message - From: Wanda M Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 12:12 AM Subject: Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #256 > This message is from: Wanda M Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hello Everone, > My name is Wanda and I am looking to buy a fjord. If any one knows of > one please e-mail me. I am not looking for anything fancy. Two yrs. or > older, mare or gelding, I am looking for more of the drafty type. > > Thank you > > Wanda Hill > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. >
Re: Blue Earth Evaluation
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and-did I ask when it was??? its been too long and I don't remember what I e-mailed you- I'm getting to be a zombie in the a.m. got some baby guinea hens- they are smaller than chicks-don't look anything like the adults. weird!! its kind of chilly this a.m. very breezy here. I found a second packet from Tom Hans- I will send it off today or tomorrow---well I have to go out and get stuff started- laterR - Original Message - From: Pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 9:20 AM Subject: Re: Blue Earth Evaluation > This message is from: Pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > The Blue Earth Evaluation is July 23 & 24 right before the Midwest Fjord Horse > Show on the 25 & 26. > Pat > >
Re: new foal
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> hi Julie, I was wondering about Grey dun foals- our mare (brown dun) was bred to Karibou (Grey dun), how likely is it for our foal to be a Grey? I believe she may have the eyebrow you are talking about. I am pretty sure the mare has no greys in her background- she was one of Gene Bauers mares and I am pretty sure that he didn't own any.thanks for any info . Randi in wisc. - Original Message - From: Julie Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 5:25 PM Subject: new foal > This message is from: "Julie Will" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Our last foal for the season arrived on Thursday evening at 6 pm. I was out > of town on a family emergency, and Darryl got to do the "honors" of drying > her off and imprinting. Her dam is Vanja, and I believe she was the first > horse imported from Holland by Carol and Arthur at Beaver Dam Farms. (and is > pictured at the airport in Carol's book.) She is a lovely dark dun > "matron", 23 years old. As she neared the end of her pregnancy, she became > very lame in the hindquarter, and was barely able to hobble out to the > pasture and back. We (the vet, the farrier and myself) could find no > obvious problem. Now that the foal is born, she is moving much better, and > we are thinking that perhaps the baby was pressing on nerves. Vanja will > now be "retired" for the remainder of her years. > > The foal's sire is Erlend, and she bears his "stamp" ~ upheaded, beautiful > long legs, great topline. She doesn't yet have a name, but it will begin > with a V, as we follow the Dutch system. Interesting to note that Vanja was > born in Holland's previous "v" year! > > We are pretty sure this filly will be the color of her mom and not a grey, > but we were fooled by Stella's filly, Vjuli, born May 2nd. We were pretty > sure she was a brown dun, but in the last week as she has started shedding > around her eyes, lo and behold, there is the distinctive charcoal "eyebrow" > line that only the greys have. > > We are glad to be at the end of the foaling season with four healthy babies, > 3 fillies and a colt. > Julie ~ Old Hickory Farm > >
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #102
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> good question-I read that in the last month of preg. a mare should be fed a 30%-40% higher protein/ calcium feed than normal for this is when the colt is growing the most and a MATURE mare will take it from her own body reserves for the foal. So for the argument about breeding two year olds or even three year olds... if the MATURE horse takes from her own body reserves to give to the baby for growth... how can it NOT effect a GROWING mare will it stunt the growth of the growing mare, and it may not allow enough for the growing foal inside the mare- loose -loose situation-no? Also if the growing mare is not fully grown in the pelvic area the possibility of having foaling problems are increased and you might loose both the mare and foal due to complications. just something I read and it made lots of sense to me although I think we need a vets opinion on it. Randi in Wis.. - Original Message - From: Laurie Pittman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 2:38 PM Subject: Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #102 > This message is from: "Laurie Pittman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > that would be http://www.windspirits.net/ . Lots of nice stuff there. > > Laurie > > > Someone had mentioned some pretty horse tiles last week.I thought it was > on www.windspirits.com.I have had no luck getting to this site.Did I get it > wrong? > > > > Also,what is the appropriate age to breed your mare for the first time? > > > > Thanks,Ellen > > > > >
Re: a question for the list
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anna- Question: Why own and promote Fjords if all you want to do is exactly opposite of what everyone else is trying to preserver. to try and get something that you have no idea what the outcome will be-aren't there enough unwanted horses? are you willing to keep these foals your stallion produces even if they aren't what you are looking for "sporthorses". are the owners of the mares willing to do this or will they just be dumped like so many of the unwanted crosses - is it just to make money with a stallion?? maybe you should do just a bit more checking into this -sounds to me like there are plenty of fjord crosses in Canada maybe you can go find a "sport horse" up there that need a home!! - Original Message - From: Anna Rousseau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 8:49 AM Subject: Re: a question for the list > This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > AGAIN people. Crossbreeding cannot hurt the Fjord unless you decide to > register the offspring Come on now!And no one is trying to better the > Fjord breed. IT is what it is, you cannot register the crossbred anyhow so > how could you possibly use it to better the breed. I am talking about > crossing to make a sport horse type to show in CT, dressage or stadium > jumping. Something that does not require papers anyhow. Now, how is this > harmful? > > Purity of the breed should be maintained without question, this does NOT > interfere with that. > > Anna > > > >From: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > >To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > >Subject: Re: a question for the list > >Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:59:10 -0500 > > > >This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Lynn Mohr wrote: > > > I don't understand the argument that cross breeding hurts theFjord > > > breed. > > > >It's hard to explain, without sounding religious about it. But I've come to > >the realization over the years that North Americans tend to ruin horse > >breeds. > > > >When I was a kid in Pony Club there were two quarter horses in our barn. > >They were great horses! a mare and a gelding, 15 hh and 14.2, and their > >lucky owners were always in the top ribbons in every thing they did, > >eventing, dressage, hunter, gymkhana, etc etc. These two were always the > >best horses for hacking, fooling around bareback, and swimming in the pond. > >Very trustworthy. Almost 20 years later I went looking for such a quarter > >horse. Do you think I could find one? Nowadays they're all 16 hh or more, > >long thin necks, teeny weeny feet, and spook at their shadow. Ruined!! > > > >In the Fjordhorse we have an opportunity to "do right" by preserving what > >nature and careful selective breeders have given us. How could creating a > >bunch of half-bred Fjord wannabees possibly be good for the Fjord breed? - > >and others have said that these crosses invariably turn out poorly - so why > >bother? > > > >Lori > > > > __ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >
Re: a question for the list
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anna, I don't want to insult but I think this country has enough horses that are cross bred-for example - look at quarter horse crosses - they are a dime a dozen where I live and they aren't nice ones-they are any two horses thrown together just to have a foal - and maybe making money on a stud fee. I'm no big breeder, but I would hate to see this breed ruined in crossing them with other breeds- this country has a tendency to do that with everything we get our hands on-just like the many breeds of dogs.If people start crossing fjords and breeding their half breeds then there goes the qualities we originally got into the breed for.a breed should be kept true for what they are-each serves its purpose- if it cant do what you would like-then find a breed that can come on listers I know we have strong opinions on this subject- just like the Zebra cross thing that was discussed awhile back. sorry this is so long Randi from Wisconsin - Original Message - From: Anna Rousseau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 4:09 PM Subject: Re: a question for the list > This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > 1) << The ultimate goal in breeding anything is to produce something > better in > terms of conformation, movement, and temperment. > > > There isn't anything better than a pure bred Norwegian Fjord. >> > > I disagree. There may be a cross that is more suitable for a certain > discipline than the purebred Fjord. What breeds would not exist today if > there was no crossbreeding allowed in any other breeds? That is very narrow > minded. That is like the Nazi's idea that only the light skinned, light eyed > type of people were with any intelligence or athletic ability. > > 2) < Why is that wrong? > > Because breeding a Good Fjord Stallion to a BAD mare of another > breed will most likely not produce a "Better" horse.>> > > Well, I said nothing about breeding a good Fjord to a bad mare of any other > breed. There are good mares of other breeds that would benefit from some > good Fjord characteristics. Every breed has some faults, cross breeding a TB > mare for instance with the Fjord can breed out some of the "hot" and add > more bone. This would make a better performance animal. > > I can understand the idea of keeping a breed pure for survival of the breed. > This breed however will not be hurt by crossbreeding of stallions. Other > breeds out there could use some of these characteristics. I think the Fjord > crosses would excell in many different areas which would in turn help > promote the Fjord horse, widening the market! Wake up people, half the sport > horses competing for this country in international competitions are cross > breeds of one sort or another. Why not promote your horses this way allowing > stallions to crossbreed? > > > Thanks > Anna > > >From: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > >To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > >Subject: Re: a question for the list > >Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:54:30 -0500 > > > >This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >At 09:21 AM 3/22/00 -0800, you wrote: > >>This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >>Dear list members: > >> > >>I am not a Fjord Association member. I have just one Fjord, I bought him > >>to ride and do breed promos. I was told the other day that the Fjord > >>association does not allow cross breeding and will pull papers on a horse > >>that is cross bred. > > > >If it is the "Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry" that your talking about then > >the answer is yes that is true. The NFHR does not allow > >crossbreeding. Here is the exact text of the rule: > >== > >In the interest of protecting the genetic purity and the highest standards > >of the Fjord horse, we will withdraw from the Norwegian Fjord Horse > >Registry any mare or stallion that is used for crossbreeding with another > >breed or species. Violators will have their membership suspended and will > >lose all membership privileges including registration, transfer of horses > >and any voting rights. The names of owners and horses will be placed on the > >suspended list. > >== > > > >> The ultimate goal in breeding anything is to produce something better in > >>terms of conformation, movement, and temperment. > > > >There is
Re: Comments about Dutch Keuring
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would like to know if an evaluation score shows up with NFHR? and if it does will the keuring??? thanks Randi in Wis. - Original Message - From: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Comments about Dutch Keuring > This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 10:36 AM 2/15/00 -0800, you wrote: > >Ooops, horrors I reread my original post written in the middle of the > >night > >and what the statement should have read is "I doubt that AS much learning > >occurs at > >current evaluations. I did not in any way mean to criticize or negate the US > >evaluation process. I believe that is important and necessary and respect > >all the > >work that has been done thus far. > > > >I simply was trying to make the case that in my humble opinion, there is > >currently > >lots of room for both keurings and the US evaluation. Each has its own > >merit and > >folks should not be upset when both are still organized as options. > > Thanks for the clarification Cathy. I agree with you on this one. I do > not see a big problem myself with the Dutch or Norwegian Evaluation being > held here either. > > >
Re: head tossing
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> what about having her teeth checked-down at Green Valley Farm they had an equine dentist come in and work on check all the horses teeth-found different problems-teeth needing to be pulled-a few floated now Pat says it's like they are different horses-much better. - Original Message - From: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 4:42 PM Subject: Re: head tossing > This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > --- Joanna Crell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This message is from: Joanna Crell > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >jane, since horses don't have depth perception, she > > is probably trying to > > >scout out the terrain a little better, especially > > if you are on the trail > > >and going up and down. > > Has anyone looked into the possibility that this mare > may have ear mites in one or both ears? It isn't too > common a problem, but is one of the first things that > some trainers have the vet check out when they > encounter a horse that throws its head up and down for > no apparent reason, or one that is 'ear shy'. > Sometimes mites are the problem, and they are sure > easier to cure than trying to retrain the horse. > > Just a thought. > > Mary > > = > Mary Thurman > Raintree Farms > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com >
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Peg, sorry to hear about your potential big critter problem. hope everyone stays safe. I just had to tell you ,you really cracked me up when you said maybe you should go up to the cat and give him/her a good kick- I could just imagine it! you play soccer well I had to let you know I actually laughed out loud. hope everyone stays safe out there. take care Randi in Wis.. - Original Message - From: Knutsen Fjord Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 8:03 PM Subject: 20 guage > This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi all - > > Thanks for the input about the 20-guage. But here's the deal. No one > recommended it to me for cougar. I got it because a 12-gauge is too much for > me. I have arthritis in my hands and don't have as much upper body strength > as I would like. Soccer doesn't build that part of you. Maybe I should just > go up to the cat and give him/her a good kick! As I mentioned, the most > likely use will be for coyotes, but this model holds three shells and makes > just as much noise as any other gun. I don't want a rifle around the house - > this is what I'm comfortable with. > > The baby/foal monitor is working beautifully. We have it aimed at Erlend, > and will be able to listen to him munching or snoring away all night. If any > unwanted creature gets into the barn, we'll know right away. I don't really > expect that to happen, but we're better prepared than we were last week. > Sonny and big sis Pepper are totally safe in their 16x16 stable behind bars > and/or extruded metal. > > Will try again on the Breyer site. > > Bye for now - Peg Knutsen http:www.eburg.com/~kffjord/ > >
Re: mules
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> jean, couldn't the real problem with these pure breds that you have see be in poor quality parents?? I realize sometimes it cant be helped-maybe misjudgment-or the parents just don't mix well!!randi - Original Message - From: Jean Gayle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 9:05 PM Subject: Re: mules > This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Kate I just can not agree with you regarding cross/breds. I have known too > many sickle hocked, high crupped, short pasterned, high backed, long backed, > too long in the pastern, mean by nature, prone to colic, neck set too high, > neck set too low, toed in, toed out, behind at the knee, short hip. straight > shouldered purebreds. Jean > > > > > Jean Gayle > Aberdeen, WA > [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" > Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] > http://www.techline.com/~jgayle > Barnes & Noble Book Stores > > >
Re: zebra and fjord together
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did anyone see the picture of the stallion Illusion?(zebra) the one with the owner sitting on his back and her husband holding him-aren't those 2 fjords standing behind them - Original Message - From: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 10:20 AM Subject: zebra and fjord together > This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Good heavens! Here is a picture of a Zebra and a Fjord together! Do you > think there are any Zebra/Fjord crosses already out there? (alert the > anti-crossbreeding police! LOL) > > http://www.angelfire.com/ma/BarredMRanch/page13.html > > Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, still dark at 7:30 but still above zero (+10F) > > > > > > >Hi Alison, come see this: http://hometown.aol.com/zzorse/photos2.html > >Here's a picture of a baby zorse of an Appy mare - with both spots and > >stripes! There are several other photos, too, for example of crosses > >from QH's. It's quite interesting to see that these crosses look more > >like zebras than horses. As if the zebra genes are somehow more > >dominant? > > > >Here are two other addresses: > >http://hometown.aol.com/zzorse/index.html > >http://www.angelfire.com/tx/redmustang2/exotics.html > >Best regards > >Sini. http://hometown.aol.com/zzorse/photos2.html > > > > > > Jean Ernest > Fairbanks, Alaska > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: Blonken
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> if you go to the page with the picture of Blonken, then enter the index page, Leighla is about half way down.she looks to be a fjord but her mane is long. - Original Message - From: Meredith Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: FjordHorse-L Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 9:17 AM Subject: Blonken > This message is from: "Meredith Sessoms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > If this is a Fjord I'll eat my hat! > http://www.foreverton.com/blonken.htm > > > This is probably his dam, looks pure Fjording to me: > http://www.foreverton.com/graphx/ > > >>><<< Meredith Sessoms > >>><<< Soddy-Daisy. Tennessee. USA > >>><<< Dorina & NFR Aagot > > > > > >
Re: Blonken
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> yes, there is a fjord mare, 5 yrs. old for $2000. her name is Leighla. there is a picture also. I wonder where they got her from - Original Message - From: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 10:40 AM Subject: Re: Blonken > This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > --- Meredith Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This message is from: "Meredith Sessoms" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > If this is a Fjord I'll eat my hat! > > http://www.foreverton.com/blonken.htm > > I'm with you - Blonken looks like possibly a Fjord/QH > cross. He appears to have a white lower right front > leg, and a white spot on his nose. His tail appears to > be all dark - no white - and pretty skimpy for a > Fjord. He MIGHT even be pure QH!! For example, two > years ago a friend bought a yearling QH colt at a > sale. When he took me to the stall to show me the > horse I could have sworn he was showing me a Fjord - > maybe kidding me? Our Fjords were housed int he same > barn and for a long time people kept mistaking that > colt for a Fjord, or a Fjord cross. He actually WAS a > purebred QH from "all dun" parentage. The QH people > called him a "line backed dun" - is there any other > kind of true dun? He even had lighter hairs on the > outer edges of his mane and tail. The big thing that > gave him away way the large white stripe running down > his face, which became more noticeable as he got > older. Regarding Blonken, maybe someone plugged the > wrong picture into the ad? > > > > > > This is probably his dam, looks pure Fjording to me: > > http://www.foreverton.com/graphx/ > > Didn't see any fjords listed on the list of horses for > sale at this site. > > Mary > > > = > Mary Thurman > Raintree Farms > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com >
Re: Foal trimming, aussie, electric fence
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> but very funny-no??? - Original Message - From: Jean Gayle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 11:16 PM Subject: Re: Foal trimming, aussie, electric fence > This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Karen, that is not nice :)) > > > > > Jean Gayle > Aberdeen, WA > [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" > Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] > http://www.techline.com/~jgayle > Barnes & Noble Book Stores > > >
Re: not a list with only one topic.....been there, no thanks
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I agree with you Lisa,I have lived with and worked with all kinds of critters all my life(horses, dogs, cats, steers, hogs-(up to 75 at one time), ostrich, penguin, swans ,cranes and now a llama, 4 dogs 3 cats and 6 horses- they always seem to find a way to my door-I love them all and I love to hear about everyone's ventures with them so everyone please don't stop telling us about your furry little friends. thanks, Randi in cool and damp Wisc. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 9:49 PM Subject: not a list with only one topic.been there, no thanks > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In a message dated 00-01-08 09:08:00 EST, you write: > > << Is it possible when the headings for the site come up to highlite one and > go > directly to it. Real it, then go on without having to scroll through all the > sheep stuff (this is a fjord site Du!) With all the high tec stuff out > there now you would think this could be done! We do enjoy the site and some > of the info is great. > >> > > Well, its a site for Fjord PEOPLE to talk, about our lives, with these > horses, along with any other interesting ( or not ) stuff..like harness, > wagons, training, dogs, kids, losses, shows, spinning, feed, hay prices, > saddles, sheep, and any other sort of stuff that crosses our livesglad > you find some of it informative. The rest is what I love .Lisa > Pedersen ( and its DUH, by the way ) >
Re: Miscellaneous advice needed!
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> hi Michele, I live in southern WI- in the winter, when its cold out we use a stock tank heater outside. when I bring the horses into their stalls at night I use very warm water in their buckets. you wouldn't believe how much water they all drink as soon as they get in-we have 6 horses-2 are fjords. our fjord mare Vanja drinks the most, she almost finishes the bucket and then I refill it-with warm water. at least I know they are getting enough-and its not like they don't drink out of the trough outside, I think they just like the warmth after being out all day in the cold.if its really cold I bring out some hot water in the a.m. and put it into their water buckets to warm them up before they go out so they can get a good drink before going out into the cold. people have told me in nuts but I do have 2 older mares (20 yr. old Q.H. and 30 yr. old Tennessee Walker) both are in pretty good shape but I do have to keep an eye on the Q.H. for colic-I've always caught it early and never had any major problems.but I always keep an eye on water intake and grain and hay consumption.hope this helps a little. Randi - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 7:05 PM Subject: Miscellaneous advice needed! > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hi everyone, This is our first real year with more than one horse in our > ownership, so I have a few questions, and yes, the pecking order thing has > been a challenge for us. > 1. Would it be okay, this time of year, to put an open mare in with a 1 1/2 > year old stud colt that has only one testical descended (cant remember the > name for it)? We are waiting to see if it will descend on its own, as he was > a rescue quarter horse we got and he is quite small for his age. > > 2. Our old mare (25) started to collick yesterday,(luckily we caught it and > had her tubed with mineral oil and warm water).Does anyone out there have an > older horse that cant have hay anymore,? just grain?,(we give her 5lbs in AM > and 5Lbs in PM) (the vet recommended no more hay because she isnt > processing it anymore. and smaller more frequent meals) and also we have > stock tank heaters (checked them too) but she still doesnt seem to like the > cold water. Is there a better heater out there that actually heats the > water, not just to alittle above freezing? > Any other suggestions are appreciated > > Michele Noonan in Stevensville, Montana, where its been threatening snow all > day >
Re: Natural Horsemanship--Why bother?
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry Everyone, I didn't mean to send my opinion to the digest,I'm still a computer idiot.I'm sure NH is a valid method,but it just seems like it's common sense and if you work with your horses you will get very similar results.I didn't mean Misha shouldn't write her opinions, everyone is entitled to them. Randi - Original Message - From: Karen McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 9:13 PM Subject: Re: Natural Horsemanship--Why bother? > This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Misha, > > Please don't feel like you have to justify your interests and belief in NH > methods,just because of a careless error someone made in transmitting a > message on this list. > > I think that the concept of NH is definitely valid - it's just how it's > interpreted, and in who's hands...As is anything else,I suppose. > > There are "hackers" out there in any equine discipline: reining, dressage, > hunter-jumpers. > > Guess I use some NH stuff , perhaps in not as focused a manner as you. Hey, > if your'e happy/safe, and the horse is likewise, somethings working! > > Keep posting AND sharing, Karen -in very dark and blustery,pre- > winter storm Carson City > > > > __ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >
Re: possible solution to canter/tripping problems
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> hey Pat, I just love the digest from misha nogha?? miss natural horse method.I don't know if she understood your bit about lunging. she always came up with off the wall ideas in the past. Allen called me today ---he forgot to look at your saddles. he is interested in the western one more. he was just telling me everything he has planned and, wondering if we were interested in buying a yearling stallion/ going in partnership anyways. I don't think were interested. if you have a chance could you copy the pages from the fjord herald about Karibou. I think it would be a good thing to have on hand. anyways I better get to bed, I just read that digest thing and went, oh gosh another NH person. their ways are always better don'tcha know. have a good day and I hope your wounds are healing. oh, Emmy and Elly say hi, so does yippee Kai. Randi - Original Message - From: Pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 12:03 PM Subject: possible solution to canter/tripping problems > This message is from: Pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I don't know who I'm directing this to, I'm new to this computer talk, > but I have been working with horses for sometime and maybe able to help? > > I don't know about the Natural Horsemanship things. It sounds like it > works nicely for some of you. I've been training horses for a living > longer than I care to say and just learned from watching, asking and > working for good trainers back in the days before Natural Horsemanship. > Anyway I do ALOT of ground work with ALL of my horses before > riding/driving. I start everything on a lunge line. I don't normally > tell people this because lately I get a debate that its not good for a > horse (as one of the people said on the list "all it does is teach them > to go in circles"). I've been told it lames a horse (in all the years > I've done this I do not recall an unsound horse, either body or > mind).But anyway this is how I do it, I train for a living, but I don't > sell training techniques, all I know is the results I get from from it > has worked for me. > > I have never lunged a horse for more than an 1/2 hr. Usually 10, 15 or > 20 min sessions. Depending on my horses age and attention span. I always > lunge in a level area with good footing. At the end of a 25 ft lunge > line. (50ft circle is good size). > > The first thing I use lunging for is discipline: They learn whoa, walk > and easy trot from my voice, to stay the 25 ft distance away from me, to > listen to me, keep their attention on me and to do what I ask them to > do, when I ask it. They learn to change direction and do the same. Its > simple work, not hard on them at all. Its basically insisting they to do > something they would not normally do, because I'm telling them to do > it. Just asking for manners. > > The second thing I use this for is assessment: Because I've always > worked for breeders with alot of horses, I was the one who decided what > horse did what, how far a horse could go, so by watching and asking > something from the horses, I can tell the ones who will give more, which > ones put up that "wall" when pushed, which ones get bored quickly, the > ones that need for you to go slower, the ones that are athletic, I watch > the way they move and the way they interact with me, etc etc .. then I > change my training routine (slightly) for each of their personalities. > > I intoduce the bit, surcingle, saddle, harness and blinders off the > lunge line. I find once they know my voice and what my voice means by > its levels and influx they accept all the new things with trust. (If I > use "HEY" in a harsh way it means I want your attention now, but a soft > "god girl", calms.) I've found my words sometimes are like a warm > blanket when he needs it or a quick reprimand when they are out of line. > This communication is needed for a lifetime with your horse. > > They lady who wrote about the horse dragging her around, the front > heavy, leaning & tripping horses, sometimes it's a matter of attention. > > I use lunging for conditioning, which I think is a big part of the > canter problem and tripping, > I think its unfair to ask a horse to carry a rider and adjust its > balance when they are soft. Watch a horse sometimes work and the muscles > they use at the walk, trot and canter, and then add the fact all horses > (not just Fjords) naturally carry something like 60 some plus percent of > its weight on its front end. > > I also use lunging for working down before riding, cooling down after > riding, detecting lamenes
Re: hello
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dear Griet, thanks for the pattern, looks really neat. Randi Nielsen Blue River,Wi. - Original Message - From: griet vandenbroucke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fjord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 12:13 PM Subject: hello > This message is from: "griet vandenbroucke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hi List, > > Today i send the patterns for the Fjord. > Please let me know if I forgot someone (hope not) > > have lots of fun brodering and fjording at the same time! > > Griet Vandenbroucke > >
Re: fjordexample
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Griet, I would be interested in your picture for cross stitching thanks a bunch. Randi Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: griet vandenbroucke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fjord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 11:52 AM Subject: fjordexample > This message is from: "griet vandenbroucke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi List > > Is there anyone interested in a cros stich example with a Fjordhead on it? > > Please let me know and I mail it to you. > > Happy Fjording For Ever > > Griet > >
Re: Mystery Tandoms? Long mane? Winers*
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> hi list- I was at villa Louis, it was a great show. the mystery tandem was Susan keating with her older fjord geldings. the horse with the long mane was liesl Thomas with a mare that I heard was a full sister to kanada king.they both did a great job! randi Nielsen - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 2:49 PM Subject: Mystery Tandoms? Long mane? Winers* > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > HI- > Do you know who that was who had a tandem of Fjords at Prairie du Chein > last weekend? They did an excellent job, especially in the cross-country > class. > There was also a gal with a single Fjord, with a natural mane. It was > beautiful - multi-colored and thick and shiney. Do very many people keep > the mane natural? I had never seen one before. > Al > ** > >Hi List from beautiful, sunny Utahabout 74* breezy, perfect driving > weather ! > >Got this note from a friend on my Draft Horse Listdoes anyone know who > this is??? also the Fjord showing with the long flowing mane??? wow.. > > Wanted to refrain from commenting on the latest posts, wining about how we > allow un-topic like posts.but CANT, LOL even slept on it first. ; ( > Im not as diplomatic or as well written as some, including the winer. I > liked the part though about getting a new list.and I say GO FOR IT. Have > fun, see ya later, leave the friendly one alone. Sorry if I am not " too > tolerant " of a first time post, pointing out just whats wrong here, and > offering to fix itI have learned way too much here, gotten to know TONS > of good Fjord owners, and met alot of you either at the shows or the chat. > Why fix something if it aint broke? Sorry Brian, I like to stick up for the > guy down too, BUT these last 2 took the cake, litter box, poop pile, > whatever. DO let us know, however if you get another list going, so we can > forward all newbies who dont like the friendly format here to you. > >Have to run clean more stalls now At least I still have my > boots on ! So glad to hear the posts from the Libby showreally missed > going there this year ! Lisa Pedersen Cedar City, Ut. > > > > > > > > >
evaluaters
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi I just had to put in my two cents worth.not that I am trying to say that it would happen but doesn't anyone think that if we had someone who is a breeder of fjords out there evaluating every else's fjords even though they might have the knowledge to do a great job that they may be a little partial to their friends or horse that have their bloodlines in them? I hope this makes some sense.
