asked not to post ,was: Communications Concerning Fjord Rescues
This message is from: "Joanna Crell and David folger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> why is this discussion thread being shut down and by whom? While any one topic can become obsessive or myopic, this is a breed specific forum that has many members who can actively seek participation and awareness on something that is happening in our "community". Call horses a devotion, a recreational activity, or an industry, communication between interested parties is very important. Access to information is a deep privilege to me and even if I had no concern in this matter I would appreciate the efforts made on behalf of the Fjord breed to keep persons who care about them apprized of individual situations and evidence of their role in the food chain. This is a very gritty discussion and has brought up alot of tough questions. Responsibility and cognizant animal husbandry are in the center of this, economics and ethics will be on the burners boiling. For whatever reason each of us comes to read the Fjordhorse list/digest this has been a serious look inside and an honest call to action. I would rather stay based in reality than fluff, some of it is hard. Joanna Crell and David Folger Willowind Therapeutic Riding and Driving Center State Hwy 3 box 1140 Bar Harbor, Maine 04609-9721 (207)288-9506 phone and fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.willowind.org--
Re: Communications Concerning Fjord Rescues
This message is from: "Joe Glick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>I certainly hate to be the Grinch that is dooming little Fjords to auction or worse, but the volume of communications about this subject has become such that perhaps Lynda's solution of starting a dedicated mailing list is what's called for. I know there are some people on the list that see the rescue topic as being germane to the rest of Fjord discussions. -- Steve McIlree Owner/Administrator FjordHorse List<< It sounds to me as if it would be OK to post the rescues of Fjords. As long as there is no soliciting of funds for them. Personally, I enjoyed reading about the progress. JMHO Joe Glick Glick Family Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Communications Concerning Fjord Rescues
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean-- Friday, January 10, 2003, 10:20:44 PM, you wrote: > Lynda I am very saddened that you are not allowed to continue with > the info of rescuing fjords. To me this is as important as > discussions on breed, food etc. I think we should have this info > available here. Perhaps limited to so many lines or times but just > so that we would know when we needed to help the fjords. Jean First let me emphasize that I think the efforts being made by Lynda Welch and the United Equine Foundation in attempting to save horses from possible slaughter is very admirable. I certainly hate to be the Grinch that is dooming little Fjords to auction or worse, but the volume of communications about this subject has become such that perhaps Lynda's solution of starting a dedicated mailing list is what's called for. I know there are some people on the list that see the rescue topic as being germane to the rest of Fjord discussions. However, there are as many if not more who view the constant updates as solicitation or advertising. Since the very beginning of this list I have enforced the rule of allowing *one-time* advertisements offering horses or goods for sale; at the same time I have been vigorous in enforcing the denial of *repeat* ads. I only regret that a sense of compassion for the horses' plight as well as the ambiguity of whether or not this topic was indeed advertising made me drag my feet in asking Lynda to find other channels of communication. Unfortunately, when one has the role of enforcer they must apply the rules equally to all. Let me close this with a reminder that the address to subscribe to the Fjord rescue list is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just send an Email to that address and you will be subscribed to the new list. -- Steve McIlree Owner/Administrator FjordHorse List
Re: Communications Concerning Fjord Rescues
This message is from: "Hope Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would like to keep seeing the messages about Fjord rescues. If we can't discuss it here, there should at least be a link from the NFHR web site. What about rescues that do not involve UEF, we can't discuss those either? The UEF is doing us a favor, IMO. There are probably people who breed Fjords that don't have computers, live far from usual shipping routes for buyers, and maybe have fallen on hard times. It would be good to get the word out about rescue. I know I am being idealistic, that there are some people who would hold Fjords for ransom, "give me what I want or I will sell them to slaughter". Some people would wait to get a "cheap" Fjord, and that might not be good for the Fjord, or a disappointment to the deal seeker. Anyone who knows horses knows the worth of a well bred, handled, nutritionally sound animal from a reputable source. All the negatives about rescue being true, they are still worth bearing for the sake of the horse. So I want to hear what is going on and be reminded to contribute to the effort. Hope N IL
Re: Communications Concerning Fjord Rescues
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/10/2003 9:10:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I have asked for this new Fjord rescue email list to be presented to the > NFHR > BOD to see if we can have a link put up under the Fjord Link Section on the > > NFHR site. I will be forwarding this email to the NFHR. Without some sort > > of avenue for the UEF to openly communicate with the Fjord community at > large, this project will be even more difficult than it currently is. If > any > of you have any ideas or suggestions, please contact me! How sad you can't post about rescue fjords here! Can you at least put a line in a post "new rescue horses available" and an invitation to write you about them? This would be the place to get the word out after all. Pamela http://hometown.aol.com/northhorse/index.html";>Northern Holiday Horses
Re: Communications Concerning Fjord Rescues
This message is from: "Reena G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I too am saddened that this has been yanked from the list.it's a pertinent discussion and update feature for all of the Fjord owners and perspective owners. I do hope that a link will be established from the NFHR page concerning this topic. I would like this issue to be reconsidered for the list.perhaps a poll or survey of how the list members feel about the topic? Some sort of a message Lynda could send notifying us that there is a new rescue with a link to it? I do realize that she has set up a yahoo group, but not everyone wants to have too many emails/lists that they belong to and as this IS a Fjord Horse list, I think it is valuable information. Reena > This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Lynda I am very saddened that you are not allowed to continue with the info > of rescuing fjords. To me this is as important as discussions on breed, > food etc. I think we should have this info available here. Perhaps limited > to so many lines or times but just so that we would know when we needed to > help the fjords. Jean
Re: Communications Concerning Fjord Rescues
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lynda I am very saddened that you are not allowed to continue with the info of rescuing fjords. To me this is as important as discussions on breed, food etc. I think we should have this info available here. Perhaps limited to so many lines or times but just so that we would know when we needed to help the fjords. Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA Author:The Colonel's Daughter $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Communications Concerning Fjord Rescues
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone, I have been asked to no longer post to this list any current or future UEF Fjord rescue attempts, Fjords available for adoption, or any need by the UEF to raise funds for these or future Fjords in need. This is to be my last post on these subjects. When I first responded to the email to this list by Carole Riviore, I had no idea I would be becoming involved in ongoing Fjord rescue efforts. I honestly thought these three Fjords were a once in a lifetime situation. However, the information I found out in working with the first UEF Fjord rescue was startling, and indicated to us at the UEF that there was a need for a Norwegian Fjord Representative to begin researching this problem and to work toward resolving it. As I am a NFHR member and a Fjord breeder, I thought it imperative we work as closely as possible with the NFHR guidelines in dealing with any Fjord rescue. The UEF president wholeheartedly agreed, so after a discussion with Mike May, the UEF implemented a policy to DNA type and scan, if necessary, every Fjord we rescue, register her/him if possible, but also to put strict no-breeding clauses on any crossbred Fjord and on any un-registerable Fjord we rescue. This addendum is an actual part of the UEF adoption contract and will be strictly enforced. The DNA and scanning process also allows us to be able to contact last known owners and breeders in the event any of these Fjords were stolen or if the breeder wished to adopt the Fjords back. I will share with the list our statistics to date. Please understand I only began working on this mid December, so much of the information is still coming in. This is a massive undertaking and will take a great deal of time and effort to get a complete understanding of the situation. ALBERTA/ONTARIO: I believe Carole Riviore initially wrote the Fjord list about the three Fjords in need in Alberta somewhere between December 10-12, 2002. They came into the UEF possession on December 21, 2002 and are currently being prepared to adopt out as soon as we can get them into the States for DNA testing. ONTARIO FACILITY: To date, the official at the Ontario slaughter facility told me he has seen Fjords go through his slaughter house and while he often purchases them outright himself as the Fjord is one of the few breeds he does not like to see go to slaughter, he does not buy all of them, or is able to. He does not believe the numbers slaughtered this year were greatly affected by either the poor economic market in the States nor the drought suffered in some of the States or western Alberta. He distinctly remembers 2 groups of Fjords going through in both August and November, each group between 3-7 horses. So from his facility, since August, we are looking at a minimum of 9 to a maximum of 17, 3 of which we saved. He also stated he would not remember just 1 or 2. Interestingly enough, he also stated he has never seen a "crippled" Fjord, so while some people may state Fjords are sent to slaughter due to being severely lame, this slaughter house official states very clearly he has not seen this to be the case in the 25 years he has worked in the industry. ALBERTA FACILITY: On December 20, I called this facility and spoke with one of the purchasers. He verified they currently had Fjords on site and wished to know what sex and age I would be interested in. I told him this was not of importance to me currently, but would like to know how many and if we could purchase them. He requested I send a fax outlining what I wanted, which I immediately did. The facility was closed over the weekend, and when I did not receive an answer by Monday morning, I called back and was referred to another gentleman, one who oversees all the feedlots and is also a purchaser. Unfortunately, by the time I was able to talk with him on Monday, December 23, the Fjords were already gone. I was not given a number, but again was told that yes, there had been Fjords there. I was told I would be contacted in the future if more showed up but with this facility, I will have to check back with them periodically as they go through so many horses. Also, it was made quite clear to me that I would have to be prepared to immediately act, so until I get the UEF fund going, I hesitate to contact them without being able to immediately follow through. ALBERTA: Around this same time frame, our representative in Alberta, Jan Turnbull, president of Foal Quest, contacted me as she had just gotten off the phone with one of her dealer friends who, while attending a meat buyer auction, saw a Fjord gelding there. This boy was purchased in the UEF name, although we have yet to take possession of him. ALBERTA: Around this same time frame, this same representative was contacted by a PMU farmer who will be selling out all of his Fjord mares either this coming fall or the fall of 2
