Re: Fjord Markings
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is wrong with a wide dorsal stripe? I have seen numerous Fjords with dorsal stripes that are wide... one of which was over an inch wide. As far as I know there are no set widths allowed or disallowed for dorsal stripes. LoL I truly didn't mean to start anything with my comment on the wide dorsal stripe, it's just that most purebred Fjords appear to have modifying genes that produce a thin, often incomplete dorsal stripe. Jamie SW of Denver, CO
Re: Fjord Markings
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think those two black dots are just the gaps between his tail and his body. The white hair at the top of the tail is fairly tan so it looks like his coat in this picture, giving an impression of a strange marking there. Are we looking at the same photo? The one I was referring to was the rear shot that shows his dorsal stripe (which is **WIDE**), and two spots on either side of it, above the tail. Or...am I just not understanding??? Jamie In the Mountains SW of Denver, CO
Re: Fjord Markings
This message is from: Curtis Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I took a close look at the photos. If you click on the first one of him in profile, the enlargement will show you that he does have guard hairs, although they are not a very white color. As to the problem with his strange body color and markings, he looks like he had a full body clip a couple weeks before the picture was taken. That would explain his light coloring. After body clipping darker horses, I have also seen darker patches in parts of the coat. My guess is that he is a normal dark brown dun. Take care! Curt PS. We have a really nice dark brown colt for sale with pure Dutch bloodlines. You can find out more about him and the other horses we have for sale at this website: http://www.deepcreekfjords.com/DeepCreek/sale_list.htm. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat]
Re: Fjord Markings
This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but the markings above his tail are strange, I think those two black dots are just the gaps between his tail and his body. The white hair at the top of the tail is fairly tan so it looks like his coat in this picture, giving an impression of a strange marking there. Lori
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This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have an old video taken by Erik Utheim showing stallions in all over Europe. One in Sweden that he videoed is as dark as a Bay, with a very dark mane and tail bordered by dark greyish hairs instead of white. I will have to find this old video and look up the name of this stallion. He is a beautiful horse, looks very much a purebred Fjord in every other way and has light colored offspring. On another old video, of an evaluation in 1987 with Bob VanBon and Dave Klove, held in New England, there is a gelding shown with is very dark with the dark markings on the shoulder and very little whit is any in the mane and tail. I will try to look at these again and see if I can get the name of these horses. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska clear and zero degrees. We need SNOW for insulation or all our underground pipes will freeze! At 10:55 AM 11/12/2005 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: Dagrun Aarsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 12, 2005, at 7:07 AM, Lori Albrough wrote: But Dagrun, look at his pedigree. By the elite stallion Fjelljon http://fjordstudbook.com/h-fjeljon.htm (bred, born and approved in Norway) out of the elite mare Gaea who is by the Danish stallion Hjerter Knaegt and out of the elite mare Asta. Since Holland does DNA testing wouldn't his pedigree be without doubt? Hi Lori, I was suspecting that some neighbor's stallion had been sneaking in during the days of the dam being bred to Fjelljon, but if they do DNA testing that must be out of the question. Hm. Now I'm getting interested. He really is not a fjord color. I agree that some fjords have sparkling white guard hairs while some have more of a light tan color, but never brown. Would we be able to find a picture of Gaea the dam? I'm curious now. If he really is a pure fjord, this is a very interesting case and is worth studying. I am still skeptical since he looks exactly like crosses I have seen, but I am hoping I am wrong - maybe all the genes suddenly combined to recreate the darker color fjords from the old days (there are records in Norway of black and brown fjords). Wouldn't that be cool. Dagrun
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This message is from: Dagrun Aarsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 12, 2005, at 7:07 AM, Lori Albrough wrote: But Dagrun, look at his pedigree. By the elite stallion Fjelljon http://fjordstudbook.com/h-fjeljon.htm (bred, born and approved in Norway) out of the elite mare Gaea who is by the Danish stallion Hjerter Knaegt and out of the elite mare Asta. Since Holland does DNA testing wouldn't his pedigree be without doubt? Hi Lori, I was suspecting that some neighbor's stallion had been sneaking in during the days of the dam being bred to Fjelljon, but if they do DNA testing that must be out of the question. Hm. Now I'm getting interested. He really is not a fjord color. I agree that some fjords have sparkling white guard hairs while some have more of a light tan color, but never brown. Would we be able to find a picture of Gaea the dam? I'm curious now. If he really is a pure fjord, this is a very interesting case and is worth studying. I am still skeptical since he looks exactly like crosses I have seen, but I am hoping I am wrong - maybe all the genes suddenly combined to recreate the darker color fjords from the old days (there are records in Norway of black and brown fjords). Wouldn't that be cool. Dagrun
Re: Fjord Markings
This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dagrun Aarsten wrote: This message is from: Dagrun Aarsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Okay, I'll say it first. I'd say the stallion Vjostar is a crossbred. Dagrun But Dagrun, look at his pedigree. By the elite stallion Fjelljon http://fjordstudbook.com/h-fjeljon.htm (bred, born and approved in Norway) out of the elite mare Gaea who is by the Danish stallion Hjerter Knaegt and out of the elite mare Asta. Since Holland does DNA testing wouldn't his pedigree be without doubt? I have seen other very dark brown dun Fjords who don't have the white on the sides of the mane, like Kila Grani has very little white. I wondered if that was why some countries prefer the light brown dun. This is what Tor Nestaas' colour article says regarding brown duns: The light coloured horses have white forelocks and white hairs on the mane's outside. On darker individuals, these hairs are also darker. I would agree that the marking on Vjostar's neck is an enhanced version of the withers stripe. Lori Lori Albrough Bluebird Lane Fjords Moorefield Ontario http://www.bluebirdlane.com
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This message is from: Dagrun Aarsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Okay, I'll say it first. I'd say the stallion Vjostar is a crossbred. He is not a fjord color, with the dark mane and tail (no white). However, he looks exactly (in color) like many of the PMU crosses, for instance, that are half fjord. I'd better run for cover, as he might be a pretty famous stallion in Holland, but his legs are too thin, his head a little too refined and his color definitely wrong. I'll never be convinced that he is a pure fjord. His markings are really cool, though. It's like a bigger version of the grepp, the stripes across the withers that some fjords have. Dagrun
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This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Additionally, this horse does not have the profuse (or any) white guard hairs in the mane and tail. His mane and tail are completely dark. Odd. Karen Does anyone have photos of offspring (are there any?), or the parents? Though Duns that have stripes across their whithers and/or shoulder shadows do occur, I've never seen the markings on a Fjord... It's not just that, though, his dorsal stripe is wide and very dark...and those dots on either side above his tail...strange! It seems I've got some researching to do! _ Search the Web for a hot date http://search.ninemsn.com.au/results.aspx?rf=1q=hot+dateFORM=HM
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone know the name of the markings on the Dutch stallion Vjostar? Is it a variation of the skevjet (sp?) marking? Does anyone have photos of offspring (are there any?), or the parents? Though Duns that have stripes across their whithers and/or shoulder shadows do occur, I've never seen the markings on a Fjord... It's not just that, though, his dorsal stripe is wide and very dark...and those dots on either side above his tail...strange! It seems I've got some researching to do! Jamie In the Mountains SW of Denver, CO
Fjord Markings
This message is from: Linda Bain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone know the name of the markings on the Dutch stallion Vjostar? Is it a variation of the skevjet (sp?) marking? There are some good photos at: http://dan.georges.free.fr/fjord/2005Hoenderloo/hoenderloo2.htm then click Divers and a couple of pictures are on page 2. I have never seen this marking before and just wondered if it has a name. Linda Scotland
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This message is from: Linda Bain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some more pictures here: http://www.fjordenbrabant.nl/html/flyervjostar.htm You can see the markings clearer in these pictures.
