Re: Leading problem Trainer
--part1_c4.e222425.278a0ff7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com X-Loop: Majordomo @ NSTS This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/7/01 9:43:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You do need professional help for this boy; I am afraid videos and books are a very poor second, but as far as a trainer to recommend that far away, I am at a loss, but I am sure some of the listers on the right coast could Well, here's my two centsagain. I used to live in New Mexico where I believe the problem child horse is! I'd recommend contacting Ginny Cowles and asking her the phone number of her trainer, Jackie. I met her and own the results of her training. She's not too far away and knows these horses. Unfortunately I remember neither her last name nor her phone number. Call Los Trigos. I can bet your problems will be over! Pamela Who is very impressed with horses coming out of Ginny's herd!
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a 2 1/2 year old Fjord mare and it does seem to be a fairly obnoxious age. She is very mouthy. However she does know how to lead. When I first bought her she was 6months old and soo adorable and my trainer , who is also a Linda Tellington Jones Practitioner worked with me and the horse. SHe learned quickly and the only problem is that we would need to come up with new exercises or she would become bored. Now she is a big girl and like most Fjords use her head and neck to get her way. Use a chain or you could get hurt. These horses are too smart for their own good and must learn manners. PS this little girl is still for sale and ready to start driving. Leslie in Corrales, NM
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This message is from: Teressa Kandianis [EMAIL PROTECTED] As a complete novice, I was having major problems with Merit as he was going into his second year. People on the list gave lots of advice and I ended up using a chain on his halter across his nose and then attached to the lead and carrying a dressage whip as we walked about. A little touch on the butt (as the dressage whip was long enough to reach the butt without any movement of my off arm) was enough to make him move with me. A hard poke on the shoulder with the butt of the whip or my very bony elbow was enough to make him quit leaning on me. The chain across the nose made him mind the halter. Not all at once and not without a lot of angst on my part. The funny thing was that now at a little over 3, he's a prince and has been for a few months. I've forgotten when he quit being a butt hole ( pardon my language). The chain has been long gone. For awhile it would just be hooked through his halter without being attached to the lead and that alone made him modify his bad boy act. Nina, his little sister, has the same attitude as a two year old now but being a girl, she acts out much differently. Or, I guess its due to her y chromosome. Merit wasn't mean - it was like short attention span combined with lack of manners, impulsive behavior, looking for action, a strange sense of humor, ... stuff like that. Nina is now the same but more manners and a sort of feminine take on fun. And not as impulsive as she seems to try to plan her activities. She's much smarter than Merit also. It takes the big guy a few more lessons to understand anything - he's kind of a which way did they go, George sort of guy. I also got loads of advice about rich food making him a wildman. That wasn't the case with Merit as we've managed to overfeed them with grass hay and a vitamin supplement. We've never even bought the first bag of grain or flake of alfalfa. I can't even imagine what he would have been like with a rich diet! Teressa Kandianis from sunny Ferndale, WA.
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This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sue, Sorry to hear that your fjord is acting out his willfulness to the max. Simply, he has learned a behavior that suits him very well, and unfortunately puts you completely out of the picture, as far as respect is concerned. We all need to recognize that even 'though fjords may look alike, they do not all possess the same sweet personalities temperaments that they are noted for... it seems they can be too clever (and manipulative) for their own good. Perhaps much had to do with Storms earlier upbringing, as I have read many posts about him over the past year. What to do? Well, sounds kind of nasty, but you need to establish dominance with this fellow I believe very much, and use on my colts the Tellington-Jones way of handling,as well as some of the Natural Horsemanship methods, however, when a horse is as far out of line as seems Storm, it is a time for stronger, direct methods, employed by one skilled enough to know the parameters. It sounds like this wouldn't take allot of time initially, but then the follow thru (with you) is where the crux of the training will come down. This is the consistent time you devote to his handling, with no deviation from the program. Yes, I would have you take this colt to someone and impress upon him that his sole reason for survival is due to your good graces, and that if he wants to live on this earth, he had better work with you. Its that simple - and yes, the initial session involved to achieve this is not pleasant, but very effective. You may never need a touch of the whip to his body, but it is the implication, and the psychological impression, that gives the horse the understanding of his place in your herd unit, and that he shall never transgress it - or else face the immediate, but fair, consequences. I myself would not give up on him,as he sounds like a totally spoiled little monster-child, but I can understand from where your spouse is coming from. He is justified in caring for your well being, and hey, picking up the pieces of your beloved is NOT fun! I think your vet is totally out of it as regards to the grain ration. Yikes! You do need professional help for this boy; I am afraid videos and books are a very poor second, but as far as a trainer to recommend that far away, I am at a loss, but I am sure some of the listers on the right coast could help you, no?? Wishing you well Sue, Karen Great Basin Fjords Carson City, NV _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] When we first brought Tank home he was a nearly unhandled two year old stud. The first order of business was to teach him to lead. We immediately started using TTeam methods with him, particularly the Homing Pigeon. That is the method where two handlers with wands and nose chains lead the horse from both sides. It's important to get one of LTJ's books to see how to run the chain thru the halter properly. Anyway, these are very smart horses, so in only a couple sessions, Tank had the idea what was expected of him and has not been a problem to lead since. -- Steve McIlree -- Pferd Skipper -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA He that would venture nothing must not get on horseback. --Spanish proverb
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/7/01 12:43:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I hope I helped some. (donning my Flame suit for suggesting the use Horrified? Not! There is a time and a place for a chain. Or even smacking a horse. They weigh a heckuva lot more than we do. When you watch horses disciplining each other they pack a lot more punch to the other horse than we can. When I had a problem with Skylark being a bit stubborn, she KNEW she could get away with what she wantedfor like 2 minutes. I dug up my stud chain from the bottom of my tack trunk, and we had a lesson. As you said, not shanking her, but letting her know that she would cause herself some discomfort. She's a quick learner, had to use the chain total of one time. Now she's got wonderful ground manners. Even my sweet Juniper, when I first bought her, thought she could plant her back feet and I wouldn't clean them. One smack on the rump. She lifts them nicely. If she gets lazy or stubborn, I just have to pick up my hand like I'm going to slap her rear end (like I could really hurt her!). She picks up her foot for me. Just testing. IMO one quick lesson with some discomfort is a lot better than having an ongoing power-play with your horse! Pamela
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This message is from: Patryjak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sue, Just re-read my post...don't mean to sound preachy...and forgot to include BE SAFE! Please do not endanger yourself. Maybe a two year old is not the best choice for you. Betsy in Michigan
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This message is from: Don Jane Brackett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Sue, Sounds as if you have your hands full. How about sending him off to school with someone who's experienced with raising young Fjords? You don't want to get hurt. I like the Linda T. Jones leading method too. Her book Improve Your Horse's Well-Being has great step by step photos on lots of leading excercises. Worked very well for my mare who didn't know how to lead when I first got her. But she's a pretty quiet mare, just didn't understand that she wasn't supposed to drag me! :) Be careful and realize that it's OK to sell a horse that doesn't work for you. Jane
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This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well It sounds as you are teaching him he can get the best of you! Do you use a chain over his nose? I suggest you get Linda Tellington Jones' book (or one of them) and use some of the leading exercises. She has some good videos out, also, Starting a Young Horse would be helpful. He just bowed that little neck shifted gears and was off. Rather than be dragged beside him, I let go. The brat is being given 6 cups of grain morning and night.Which we are cutting back starting tonight. Well, that is part of your problem, he's like a kid on a sugar high! Is it a sweet feed as well? give him just a handful with his vitamins. Especially if it is a sweet feed, with Molasses, it could be causing a lot of his mischief. He needs another youngster (or safe older gelding) to roughhouse with, and he needs to learn that he can't jerk away from you. You WILL have to cause him some discomfort with a chain over his nose or a rope halter for him to stop jerking you around. I'm no expert: Hopefully Karen McCarthy or Gail Ware can give you some good advice. I did raise a youngster, but he had old Bjarne to play with and I didn't hesitate to use a chain over his nose ala TTEAM methods. I still do...When I'm leading them down to the little pasture, especially when they haven't been out for a few days, I use a chain on everybody, just to keep myself safe. No, I don't shank them, but if they get to acting up exuberantly, they run into the chain. I taught BJorken and Adel to lead nicely beside me with the TTeam wand , waving the Butt end in front of their nose, for a signal, tapping on the chest for a halt. Check out her tapes and books.http://www.lindatellingtonjones.com/ You can also order the wand a 4 ft stiff white dressage whip as well as other equipment. Has he actually ever been taught to lead? They don't just naturally know how to lead. And he's been learning all the wrong things! Well, I hope I helped some. (donning my Flame suit for suggesting the use of a chain!..all those Natual Horsemanship people will be horrified! LOL) Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska +10F Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Leading problem
This message is from: Sue Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course the now snorty horse thought we were all nuts, and moved away againSWING ! only stopping when the horse stopped. The first time I saw this I was amazed at how fast the horses figured out that if he / she just stood without fussing, moving or pulling back, no more noisy bags under his feet ! Suppose there is some way of training to lead using this method? Well my overconfidence got the better of me and I went out in the paddock with Storm this morning and thought I would lead him beside me. Ha! He just bowed that little neck shifted gears and was off. Rather than be dragged beside him, I let go. Hubby was watching and said SELL that outfit and stick with that nice little Arab marewho incidently I took hold of and led at will all overno fuss or muss. The brat is being given 6 cups of grain morning and night.Which we are cutting back starting tonight. The vets hereabouts think he should be getting this grainbut that is ok as long as noone handles him! He can be so sweet and then turn into this...thispeyton! The worst of it is he can be so lovable, demanding attention...but apparently on his terms. If I can't lead him how am I ever going to ride him.. wah.and he is getting stronger every day. What are these halter- taking -off, knot- untying, latch- undoing ,critters anyway? Much like my Tonkinese cats act compared to a domestic. A totally different breeda horse of a different colour so to speak! Has anyone had this problem leading? and when one is being pressured to sell and offered no help...what is one to do? My shoulder was operated on a year ago and the last thing I need is being jerked around. Oh me oh my I am beginning to sound like a broken recordthink I need a coffee Sue in N.B. (Desert Storm's mom)
