RE: my boys-arsenic in chicken food
This message is from: "Teressa" No one has mentioned leptospirosis. My mare almost died from that several years ago. It is endemic in Kentucky where it causes abortions in pregnant mares, also in Florida. I'm in NW Washington and my vets hadn't seen it before but ended up testing for it as she was negative on everything else. Anyway, just thought I'd throw that out. -Original Message- From: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com [mailto:owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com] On Behalf Of Krissie England Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:49 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: my boys-arsenic in chicken food This message is from: Krissie England I agree that it is a very slight chance that the problem was caused by chicken feed, but it seemed worth mentioning since they have not found any other cause. I seem to remember Kim saying that the vet thought the horses had ingested a toxin back at the beginning of the illness. Plus, my vet felt it was worth talking to me about it, and I do respect his advice. I would think they would have to eat a largish amount for there to be any ill effect, but I am no expert. There is no "admitting" that there is arsenic in chicken feed, without it the chickens will die. There was a big scuffle on facebook about it, where it went around like it was a problem, which it is not. But people will present "facts" out of context to get a reaction and that is what happened. I posted quite a few replies to my friends along the lines of "you will not die from eating chicken, nor be exposed to harmful arsenic from the meat." You will not be exposed to arsenic unless you actually eat their feed, the meat is clean because they use the arsenic :) Of course, the important thing here is that the boys are HOME and on the mend! I just know if it was me, I would be going crazy trying to figure out what happened so I could prevent it happening again. JM2C, YMMV, etc, etc :) Krissie On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:04 PM, Mary Ofjord wrote: This message is from: "Mary Ofjord" What wonderful news that the horses are back at home and will recover. I've had near-death experiences with horses in the vet clinics too, and I can honestly say that the emotional stress was the most difficult I've ever dealt with. Hugs to you and your boys. The FDA did ban 3 of the 4 types of arsenic, and it is in small amounts that I don't think it would be dangerous to horses, however, I sure wouldn't want my horses to eat it! Here's a link to the NYT article: http://tinyurl.com/ko2ku4k and here's another article about the DFA admitting they were admitting arsenic in chicken feed: http://tinyurl.com/pyoat5q And, we're having chicken for dinner tonight. Yeesh! Mary Ofjord North Coast Services, LLC 218-387-1879 -Original Message- From: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com [mailto:owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com] On Behalf Of Krissie England Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 2:35 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: my boys This message is from: Krissie England Kim, I just had a thought. You said you live near a chicken farm and they had recently cleaned out their coops. Is there any chance the horses were able to get ahold of any chicken feed? Like maybe pellets that blew into their field? I ask because we also have chickens and my vet warned me to be very careful that none of my other animals get into the chicken feed. It contains arsenic, which is a necessary nutrient for chickens (so it has to be in their feed), but is poisonous to the other animals. I am paranoid about keeping the chicken feed totally out of reach of my other animals for that reason. I am SO glad to hear that your boys are home and doing well! We had my husband's mare at Leesburg vet hospital for a week when she colicked and didn't know if we would be able to bring her home. It was awful! Luckily, she too had a good outcome, and this was several years ago, but I will never forget that feeling. Krissie in northern MD On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 3:27 PM, Kim Manzoni wrote: This message is from: Kim Manzoni Update: All tests have come back negative. They have tested for: Salmonella, Lyme, Potomac Horse Fever, Coggins and Coronavirus. I am very happy they are better and that they didnt have anything fatal. I just wish there was a diagnosis or answer. I dont know what to do differently or if it was out of my control to begin with - not knowing is frustrating. But I am so thankful they are home. I missed them, they are very special boys and add so much character and happiness to my little herd. Thank you all for the support and prayers. Kim in MD Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links
Re: my boys-arsenic in chicken food
This message is from: Krissie England I agree that it is a very slight chance that the problem was caused by chicken feed, but it seemed worth mentioning since they have not found any other cause. I seem to remember Kim saying that the vet thought the horses had ingested a toxin back at the beginning of the illness. Plus, my vet felt it was worth talking to me about it, and I do respect his advice. I would think they would have to eat a largish amount for there to be any ill effect, but I am no expert. There is no "admitting" that there is arsenic in chicken feed, without it the chickens will die. There was a big scuffle on facebook about it, where it went around like it was a problem, which it is not. But people will present "facts" out of context to get a reaction and that is what happened. I posted quite a few replies to my friends along the lines of "you will not die from eating chicken, nor be exposed to harmful arsenic from the meat." You will not be exposed to arsenic unless you actually eat their feed, the meat is clean because they use the arsenic :) Of course, the important thing here is that the boys are HOME and on the mend! I just know if it was me, I would be going crazy trying to figure out what happened so I could prevent it happening again. JM2C, YMMV, etc, etc :) Krissie On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:04 PM, Mary Ofjord wrote: This message is from: "Mary Ofjord" What wonderful news that the horses are back at home and will recover. I've had near-death experiences with horses in the vet clinics too, and I can honestly say that the emotional stress was the most difficult I've ever dealt with. Hugs to you and your boys. The FDA did ban 3 of the 4 types of arsenic, and it is in small amounts that I don't think it would be dangerous to horses, however, I sure wouldn't want my horses to eat it! Here's a link to the NYT article: http://tinyurl.com/ko2ku4k and here's another article about the DFA admitting they were admitting arsenic in chicken feed: http://tinyurl.com/pyoat5q And, we're having chicken for dinner tonight. Yeesh! Mary Ofjord North Coast Services, LLC 218-387-1879 -Original Message- From: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com [mailto:owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com] On Behalf Of Krissie England Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 2:35 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: my boys This message is from: Krissie England Kim, I just had a thought. You said you live near a chicken farm and they had recently cleaned out their coops. Is there any chance the horses were able to get ahold of any chicken feed? Like maybe pellets that blew into their field? I ask because we also have chickens and my vet warned me to be very careful that none of my other animals get into the chicken feed. It contains arsenic, which is a necessary nutrient for chickens (so it has to be in their feed), but is poisonous to the other animals. I am paranoid about keeping the chicken feed totally out of reach of my other animals for that reason. I am SO glad to hear that your boys are home and doing well! We had my husband's mare at Leesburg vet hospital for a week when she colicked and didn't know if we would be able to bring her home. It was awful! Luckily, she too had a good outcome, and this was several years ago, but I will never forget that feeling. Krissie in northern MD On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 3:27 PM, Kim Manzoni wrote: This message is from: Kim Manzoni Update: All tests have come back negative. They have tested for: Salmonella, Lyme, Potomac Horse Fever, Coggins and Coronavirus. I am very happy they are better and that they didnt have anything fatal. I just wish there was a diagnosis or answer. I dont know what to do differently or if it was out of my control to begin with - not knowing is frustrating. But I am so thankful they are home. I missed them, they are very special boys and add so much character and happiness to my little herd. Thank you all for the support and prayers. Kim in MD Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: my boys-arsenic in chicken food
This message is from: "Mary Ofjord" What wonderful news that the horses are back at home and will recover. I've had near-death experiences with horses in the vet clinics too, and I can honestly say that the emotional stress was the most difficult I've ever dealt with. Hugs to you and your boys. The FDA did ban 3 of the 4 types of arsenic, and it is in small amounts that I don't think it would be dangerous to horses, however, I sure wouldn't want my horses to eat it! Here's a link to the NYT article: http://tinyurl.com/ko2ku4k and here's another article about the DFA admitting they were admitting arsenic in chicken feed: http://tinyurl.com/pyoat5q And, we're having chicken for dinner tonight. Yeesh! Mary Ofjord North Coast Services, LLC 218-387-1879 -Original Message- From: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com [mailto:owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com] On Behalf Of Krissie England Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 2:35 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: my boys This message is from: Krissie England Kim, I just had a thought. You said you live near a chicken farm and they had recently cleaned out their coops. Is there any chance the horses were able to get ahold of any chicken feed? Like maybe pellets that blew into their field? I ask because we also have chickens and my vet warned me to be very careful that none of my other animals get into the chicken feed. It contains arsenic, which is a necessary nutrient for chickens (so it has to be in their feed), but is poisonous to the other animals. I am paranoid about keeping the chicken feed totally out of reach of my other animals for that reason. I am SO glad to hear that your boys are home and doing well! We had my husband's mare at Leesburg vet hospital for a week when she colicked and didn't know if we would be able to bring her home. It was awful! Luckily, she too had a good outcome, and this was several years ago, but I will never forget that feeling. Krissie in northern MD On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 3:27 PM, Kim Manzoni wrote: This message is from: Kim Manzoni Update: All tests have come back negative. They have tested for: Salmonella, Lyme, Potomac Horse Fever, Coggins and Coronavirus. I am very happy they are better and that they didnt have anything fatal. I just wish there was a diagnosis or answer. I dont know what to do differently or if it was out of my control to begin with - not knowing is frustrating. But I am so thankful they are home. I missed them, they are very special boys and add so much character and happiness to my little herd. Thank you all for the support and prayers. Kim in MD Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: my boys
This message is from: Frederick Pack Kim, What you did WAS right. The results speak for themselves. You boys are ALIVE. I, and I am sure many others, are happy for you. Prayer, plus hard work, works.. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: my boys
This message is from: Krissie England Kim, I just had a thought. You said you live near a chicken farm and they had recently cleaned out their coops. Is there any chance the horses were able to get ahold of any chicken feed? Like maybe pellets that blew into their field? I ask because we also have chickens and my vet warned me to be very careful that none of my other animals get into the chicken feed. It contains arsenic, which is a necessary nutrient for chickens (so it has to be in their feed), but is poisonous to the other animals. I am paranoid about keeping the chicken feed totally out of reach of my other animals for that reason. I am SO glad to hear that your boys are home and doing well! We had my husband's mare at Leesburg vet hospital for a week when she colicked and didn't know if we would be able to bring her home. It was awful! Luckily, she too had a good outcome, and this was several years ago, but I will never forget that feeling. Krissie in northern MD On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 3:27 PM, Kim Manzoni wrote: This message is from: Kim Manzoni Update: All tests have come back negative. They have tested for: Salmonella, Lyme, Potomac Horse Fever, Coggins and Coronavirus. I am very happy they are better and that they didnt have anything fatal. I just wish there was a diagnosis or answer. I dont know what to do differently or if it was out of my control to begin with - not knowing is frustrating. But I am so thankful they are home. I missed them, they are very special boys and add so much character and happiness to my little herd. Thank you all for the support and prayers. Kim in MD Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: my boys
This message is from: Gail Russell Is there any way to rule out clostridium? I gather they did not test for it? I am so happy they are home, safe and sound! On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Kim Manzoni wrote: > This message is from: Kim Manzoni > > > Update: All tests have come back negative. They have tested for: > Salmonella, Lyme, Potomac Horse Fever, Coggins and Coronavirus. > > I am very happy they are better and that they didnt have anything fatal. > I just wish there was a diagnosis or answer. I dont know what to do > differently or if it was out of my control to begin with - not knowing is > frustrating. > > But I am so thankful they are home. I missed them, they are very special > boys and add so much character and happiness to my little herd. Thank you > all for the support and prayers. > > Kim in MD > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: my boys
This message is from: Kim Manzoni Update: All tests have come back negative. They have tested for: Salmonella, Lyme, Potomac Horse Fever, Coggins and Coronavirus. I am very happy they are better and that they didnt have anything fatal. I just wish there was a diagnosis or answer. I dont know what to do differently or if it was out of my control to begin with - not knowing is frustrating. But I am so thankful they are home. I missed them, they are very special boys and add so much character and happiness to my little herd. Thank you all for the support and prayers. Kim in MD Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: my boys
This message is from: Alice MacGillivray Fabulous news! I have been travelling and may have missed a post. Was there ever a definitive diagnosis? Alice My boys are in my trailer and we are in our way home!! Yahoo! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: My boys...what great news,
This message is from: Kay Van Natta I'm so glad to hear that everybody is on their way home! It must be such a relief to have them all OK again...even if it does put a big dent in the family fortune. I'm pretty sure my boys have helped my vet seriously decrease his mortgage balance too. :) Kay (freezing my fingers off) in MI Sent from my iPad > On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Frederick Pack > wrote: > > This message is from: Frederick Pack > > > Kim, > You can't put a cost on a horse that you love. > When one commits to caring for an animal, one can not go half way. > You do everything that you can, > WHICH YOU DID. > You have my respect for your commitment. > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: my boys
This message is from: laurie with i am SO glad to hear the boys are on their way home. it’s hard when they don’t feel good, and we get so worried. laurie with livingi...@q.com On Jan 28, 2014, at 2:59 AM, fjordhorse-digest wrote: My boys are in my trailer and we are in our way home!! Yahoo! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: My boys
This message is from: Frederick Pack Kim, You can't put a cost on a horse that you love. When one commits to caring for an animal, one can not go half way. You do everything that you can, WHICH YOU DID. You have my respect for your commitment. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
My boys
This message is from: Kim Manzoni Hi all My boys are in my trailer and we are in our way home!! Yahoo! $6500 later we have happy horses again. Last test will be in later tonight for corona virus .. All other tests were negative. Just glad they are better! Now to sell all of my belongings on eBay to pay the bill. Kim in md Sent from my iPhone Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
