Re: Popular Trainers
This message is from: "Big Horn Forge Daniel Nauman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello, I haven't posted in quite a while, but I have to join the training conversation. I like attending as many clinics as I can afford, by as many different trainers as possible. I have my favorites and also a "list" of people I wouldn't waste my time on ever again. I have the great good fortune to have had access to horses most of my life, and have "ridden" before I could walk. One develops good core strength this way. I also have been trained in classic riding skills. These have kept me in good stead through the years. I have obseved that most of the trainers out there are HORSE Trainers, not riding instructors. All that said, if you want good riding instruction, go to a Julie Goodnight Clinic. She teaches classic riding skills using NH methods. I took a 3 day clinic from her a couple years back and BOY did it ever help with seat, balance and rythm. She is clear in her instruction and deals very well with those who may be a little timid or - out right scared. She split our group into two sections, and the timid riders got instruction tailored to their needs. She was a hit. Those people afraid to canter (or whatever) were confident and challenging themselves at the end of the clinic. I can't say enough good things about her. As far as training horses; John Lyons (and I'm sure many others) says that you are ALWAYS training your horse. After attending so many clinics, and observing the everyday person (including myself) working with horses, I am convinced of that statement. I am very careful what I "keep" and what I "throw away". In the end, if you have a HAPPY, responsive, couragous horse, you must be doing something right. I'm happy to see this line of conversation. So many people I know don't believe NH works, even though they see (and comment) that it does when they see how respectful my horses are. Love the list even though I lurk most of the time. Toni in WIsconsin ___ This message was scanned and certified Virus Free by Alexssa | HNet. www.alexssa.net www.hnet.net www.neverlosedata.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
popular trainers and baby fjords
This message is from: Sarah Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sometimes I get confused because I subscribe to both lists and so I think I've seen issues on one list and it's really another. But I've been following two threads and they seem to converge, so here is my opinion - to both lists. I apologize in advance for the redundancy and the length of the post. Some popular trainers may be great. They must help people or they wouldn't be popular. But they give a clinic and then they are gone. The next couple of times you ride you do what you think you learned, and then it gets fuzzy in your mind, or a new problem comes up and then what do you do? For better or worse you are training a horse (even a Fjord) every single time you interact with "him". Either you are re-enforcing his good behavior or you are slowing allowing negative behavior to creep in. So if you send a horse to the trainer and then get on and ride, or if you have a one time clinic with Mr. Famous, you start out OK or even great, but over time when problems come up you don't know what to do about them. If you have a trainer, coach, or ground person who has a system and can help you regularly you are going to be much better off, than pinning your hopes on a one time clinic. "Regularly" can mean weekly lessons or it can mean twice annual checkups depending on how much help you need and what level you intend to achieve. Your ground person can even be a friend you ride with who notices that every time your horse wanders off the trail into the ditch it is because you are leaning to that side a bit. (It goes without saying, but I'm on a roll here and so I will say it: if your trainer or coach or ground person doesn't like fjords for whatever reason - ditch them.) OK so now I segue into the whole thing with a newbie buying a baby fjord to grow up with. As I said you are training that little foal, then yearling then 2 year old every time you interact with him. But if you have never really worked with a horse before, it is the blind leading the blind! You may find a "work around" that does fine for that little foal and then suddenly you have a very strong 2 or 3 year old that is pushing you around. The other problem is when you start to ride this green 3 year old and because you've never ridden, you have no seat and no balance. The first few rides on a greenie are pretty amusing because they sway and lurch and have to find their balance with this big old weight on top of them. It's not so amusing if this big old weight hasn't ridden much (or recently) and is also struggling with their balance. Fjords are very calm compared to most riding horse breeds and they can be very generous with their people. But they will benefit from systematic training to get their bodies and minds in shape as much as any other horse. From time to time I see people express problems on this list because they assume that their calm little fjordie friend doesn't really need training. somebody in the pair is going to be the leader and if you don't deserve to be the leader, and act like the leader you may find your smart little Fjord has taken over! Wasn't that a great video of the Dutch horse rescue! those horses were just looking for a leader to let them know it was OK to swim across the water! For those who have followed my long post to the end here are 2 fjord training anecdotes: Hviske was 3 1/2 and I'd done all her ground work, but had not ever been on her back. My then 12 year old son and his best friend were hanging out in the yard and being boys eventually dared each other to ride Hviske (bareback, no helmet, no bridle or halter in a corral containing a large pepper tree with overhanging branches.) Both boys manged to lure her over to a fence and ride her around the corral with no incident. Hviske at about age 2 1/2: I figured I better do some trailer training, so I hooked up the trailer and got the long rope, the buggy whip, put a chain in my pocket in case I needed it. I led her over to the trailer and walked into the trailer to put a bucket of pellets in it to use as a lure. FOOD! she said and hopped into the trailer right behind me - and she has never balked at going in the trailer ever ever. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: POPULAR TRAINERS
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Everyone, I have had the good fortune to take a Chris Irwin clinic. I learned more from Chris in one week than in two year of college. He has a way of explaining riding and horse action that makes sense. If you can get to a Chris Irwin clinic it is well worth going. Alison Bakken Sundre, Alberta The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: popular trainers/video
This message is from: "jerrell friz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Cheryl, I have 3 questions for youwhen does Anderson mention collection??? Or, same question Lyons ? Do they ever talk about why a horse acts the way they do I start all my horses in collection from day 1, from the ground. Chris Irwin does not have sponsors. He only sells a few of the basics, no garbage. Check out his web site. He travels to your area quite often. I'll be going to meet him in Pamona, Ca. in Feb. I find Fjord horses to be pretty much like any other breed. BUT, all horses are different, each one has their own personality. Fjord horses are easy get started in collection if started from the ground. Yes, the video was incredible. There are not a lot of Fjords in the Netherlands. There were some very good moving horses there. I liked the black lead mare, a trot to die for. Sadly, I heard they went to Italy, for slaughter. Regards, Jerry Friz, Anderson, Ca. - Original Message - From: "CHERYL GARNICA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: popular trainers/video This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Incredible video! I did not see a fjord in the bunch stranded, interesting! RE: trainers: Able to catch the Burbank Anderson tour last Saturday. He sure did talk fast, and the acoustics didn't help! Couldn't beat the ticket price ($25 for 2 days), no doubt the reason for hocking his wares, ticket price can't begin to cover his costs. I personally like being entertained while learning! In their defense, without the sponsors etc., we all wouldn't have access to them. More power to them if they make $$, it's a hard life being on the road, making themselves available to the public. Divorce rate seems to be up there too. (Maybe why they have to sell so much...those alimony payments!) Anderson has helped me the most with training, ground manners; some Lyons worked better for some things. I've seen Brannaman, read some others.I too think they all have a lot to offer. Some with more emphasis on horse manners, training rather than riding and your seat. We all learn in different ways and have varying needs. I would love to see a book specifically on fjord training put out to the public; maybe it's just mine, but he seems to learn a little differently! Cheryl in S. Cal The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw For your security this Message has been checked for Viruses as a courtesy of Com-Pair Services! For your security this Message has been checked for Viruses as a courtesy of Com-Pair Services! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: popular trainers/video
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fjords are HIGHLY intelligent! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Popular Trainers
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think that if it makes sense, go for it. I have known some great trainers, but they are not clinicians. Most of what they all teach is basic common sense. I worked for a gentleman several years ago and in my opinion he was the best horseman I have ever known. Problem was he could not read or write, but dang, he did a fabulous job with a horse. He stills trains but moved out of CA. Jo Wilgus Gavilan Hills, CA The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Popular Trainers
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cannot abide the marketing machines that sprout up around well known trainers. I do not, however, let that influence me in listening to what they have to say. In most respects, they send the same message: respect the horse, find a way to understand what he/she is trying to tell you, and then build a communication system with the horse. Stop trying to just force them to what you want them to do and get the horse to buy into it. There are quite a few different flavors to delivering that message, and what works for one person won't work for another. For me? I fall into the camp of those idiots running around waving the orange stick. I understand the Parelli philosophy, they put it into language that makes sense to me. And since I am all touchy-feely and really want a two way relationship with my horse, I make a very contented cult member . When Joe trots up to the gate to meet me, or will follow me around the arena at my side darting, weaving and spinning - yeah, I know it works for me. But for the record, the big demos and clinics don't work so well for me. So whenever I get the chance, I like to work with a little known natural horsemanship guy named Robbie Potter. Parelli stuff keeps me very focused on reading and understanding my horse, and Robbie Potter gets my butt back into the saddle and translates it into riding. He doesn't sell anything, and is one of the most amazing individuals I have ever met. I've seen a lot of the "big" names - and they've got nothing over Robbie. He is one of the few people I've met who truly have some kind of gift when it comes to working with horses. And the horses know it. He's doing a lot of work with Fjords these days which just makes it even better!! Try it all, find what works best for you and your horse. Kate and Joe (who loves Robbie Potter too!!) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: popular trainers/video
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would love to see a book specifically on fjord training put out to the public; maybe it's just mine, but he seems to learn a little differently! Cheryl in S. Cal **No Carol, they are all "different!" ;-) They can't be forced or frightened into doing things like other horses can, and they seem to need a bond with their rider. Not that they can't give rides to friends, or be used in lessons, but they just give you that extra heart when you are "their person." Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.eponahorsemanship.com Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: POPULAR TRAINERS
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] All I can say is "amen" to all that --David Your friends with Fjords -- Original message -- From: "jerrell friz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > This message is from: "jerrell friz" > > This subject comes up all the time. I thought I would put my 2 cents worth > in. > > I have been to several Lyons, Anderson,Hunt, and many big name > driving/riding, > trainers. Also, have watched all of them on RFDTV over the years. And, now > that you can get the Horse Channel on the computer, I also watch it. THE > POINT THAT I WANT TO MAKE, IS NONE OF THEM MENTION, COLLECTION, BALANCE, and > TIMING. Most of them mention bending, but don't go far enough. [you can't > bend a horse that is unbalanced] Very little is mentioned about your seat in > the saddle, and legs, by most. [ Ray Hunt did say it is like dancing] which > it is. So, if you give your horse a turn signal on the wrong foot and you > unbalance him, he loses the confidence he had in you as a leader. [Same thing > if you dancing, and your partner stepped on your foot, and you both fell > down] > > The way I see it,,,it is a waste of your time and money. Unless you are just > looking for entertainment. They are showman trying to increase their bank > account. > > There is a trainer, Chris Irwin, that teaches all of the above. You probably > have never heard of him because he refuses to succumb to the big corporate > companies. And in reality, it is VERY hard to look at a DVD/TAPE, > and get the message. > He is an excellent writer. And, has written 2 books. The first is "Horses > Don't Lie", and the last one is "Dancing with your Dark Horse" both are on > Amazon.com, for less than $20 dollars. [ The best investment that I ever > made] I would suggest that you read 'Horses don't Lie" first. > > He does clinics, I'll be going to one soon. > > It makes no difference if you are riding, or driving, English, American, > Western, French, or the breed of horse, including Fjords, whatever, the same > basics apply. > > Also, I will say it is NOT natural to train a horse. A horse would rather be > eating than be trained. However, having said that I believe that God put > horses on the earth for us to use. First, we used them for transportation. > Now we use them for our enjoyment, riding, driving, or just as a big pet. > > If you look at his web site there is a lot of information there and maybe you > can get to one of his clinics. http://www.chrisirwin.com/intro.html > > I might add that someone on the CDL list had John L to their place, and he > showed up with 3 Sundowner trailers full of his junk to sell, took up half > the > area. Chris Irwin, showed up with his riding boots and went right to work. > Think about that for a moment. > > If you are still reading at this point and you want more information, you can > contact me @ 530-347-1900, and of course by e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I have no connection with Irwin, and have never met him. > > I'll go put my flame suit on. > > Regards, > Jerry Friz, Anderson, Ca. > > > > > For your security this Message has been checked for Viruses as a courtesy of > Com-Pair Services! > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: POPULAR TRAINERS
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jerry, Thanks for the input. I don't think I have heard of Chris Irwin but I will sure know his name now HAHA. I really feel there is something to be learned from each person you come in contact with, friend, neighbor, clinicians etc. Take what you can use and discard the useless. Thanks again, appreciate it. Jo Wilgus Gavilan Hills, CA The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: popular trainers
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's funny Laurie. Clinton can talk. At the clinic I attended he got this horse in a trailer in about 35 minutes. It was phenomenal. We must remember that this is what they do for a living and they train 12 hours a day. In 20 years when he is my age it will be interesting to see if Clinton can maneuver himself so easily. Jo Wilgus The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: popular trainers
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] did someone on the list attend a dennis reis seminar? i have been catching his show on RFD-TV, and there is something about him that i find more likeable than the really slick guys. he comes off as a kind of "aw shucks" cowboy, but he sure does a nice job. he has done seminars in southern minnesota, and i would like to see him in person some time. i attended a parelli clinic once as an auditor, but found his stuff to seem a little scarier for the horse. of course, later in their education, they really seem to bond with their owners and i have seen some fascinating demos on his program. the thing that bothers me about clinton anderson is he constantly talk talk talks. and fast fast fast. i am sure he does a good job, because i can see his results, but i just can't deal with the motor mouth. i would really like some kind of direction in working with oz, so perhaps we could work things out, but with so many options out there, i don't know where to start. i am still planning to take him to the lesson barn where i am riding. i had planned to last week, but find i can't load him in our trailer alone, so i have someone stopping by to give me a hand today. i will keep him there a while and ride him, in addition to having the owner ride him, and try and figure out where i am going with him. laurie, who some days is just as confused as i sound The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
