Re: Fjord Rescue Subject
This message is from: Randi Nielsen cniel...@mwt.net No, I don't support slaughter but is it more humane to let a horse starve to death or to have it slaughtered?? - Original Message - From: ruth bushnell fjo...@frontiernet.net To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Cc: Fjord Issues fjordiss...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Fjord Rescue Subject This message is from: ruth bushnell fjo...@frontiernet.net This is a subject that is near and dear to my heart, especially so currently, as Montana just barely okayed the introduction of slaughter houses in the state. I am sick about this!! I'm asking everyone I know to please call or write MT Gov Brian Schweitzer and ask him if he will please veto House Bill 418.. this is our last hope. His phone is 406-444-3111, or you could make a comment on his site: http://governor.mt.gov/contact/commentsform.asp your voice might just tip the scales in favor of his veto.. please, please, please. There was an astounding amount of support for the bill, even from some Fjord horse people! (..whom I had heretofore thought a kinder and gentler race, hah). Before I go on, let me insert that we did not breed our mares last year, though I sure would have liked to, neither did we lift any additional Fjords, etc. We support the moratorium on Fjord breeding, as the horse market is plummeting from the general economy. I believe that the very best we can do, insofar as horse rescue goes, is to initiate and/or enforce civil measures for accountability. Most states have laws against animal cruelty, find out what they are and help see that they are enforced! (and don't give up) I cannot see that expecting the NFHR to police negligent situations is feasible. It does not fall within the bylaw mission statement, hence they would not want the liability factor. The basic responsibility of the registry is to record pedigrees, refusing to do so would be counterproductive, but I'm sure they've well considered their role in these areas. One thing that we could do comes to my mind, and it does fall under the category of breed education. We could have an accessible hot button posted on the NFHR site for assistance measures for Fjord horses in need. Reference contacts for state Humane Societies and Horse Coalitions which assist horses in need.. I was surprised to learn how many Montana has, that many may not have been aware of. I believe it's safe to say that those bad examples, that were melodramatically detailed on this list, could not have been helped by educational efforts. Some folks are just downright mean and there's no fixing it. Maybe a list of be aware of persons might help avoid selling to them? Bottom line, let's try harder to avail ourselves of those public resources that are already in place, and not take it upon ourselves as a breed to mandate punitive judgments. If you're eager to save a horses life, make that hundreds of lives, please contact the Governor of Montana! (I'm begging) Ruthie, nw mt US Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Fjord Rescue Subject
This message is from: ruth bushnell fjo...@frontiernet.net This message is from: Randi Nielsen cniel...@mwt.net No, I don't support slaughter but is it more humane to let a horse starve to death or to have it slaughtered?? H, not much of a choice there. It is not humane to allow a horse to starve to death, but neither is it humane to condemn one to a violent and grisly end. I suppose the horse would choose starvation, because as long as there's life there's hope.. hope that some kind soul will feed them, or that a spring blade of grass might appear. I keep saying, two wrongs don't make a right, a bad situation does not call for a bad solution. I might repeat myself.. I've written hundreds of letters on this, lost track of what I said where and when. I may have missed a couple of points here (not sure).. that when the slaughter house was closed in TX horse theft went down by over 30%. Also, there has been a national bill introduced this month in the capitol to stop horse slaughter permanently, you can read about it here http://www.animallawcoalition.com/horse-slaughter/article/567 that's the kind of eventuality that could leave us with a far greater problem in Montana--should the state presently go ahead with over-breeding for the meat market, and be suddenly stopped. I'm writing because there is now a petition for folks to sign, urging the Governor to veto HB418 for horse slaughter, and I'm hoping some of you will consider doing so. (PLEASE!!) Doesn't matter where you are in the states. I believe it was the Alex Brown forum which initiated this. THANKS very much to any of you that do! http://www.thepetitionsite.com/petition/319413487 As far as the big solution, I believe we must each of us work within our own state to bolster animal cruelty prevention laws, enforcement, and especially awareness-- negligence is only acceptable, and will continue, as long as we allow it. If we initiate horse slaughter we are teaching our children callousness, that abused animals are acceptable as long as we kill them. Ruthie, nw mt US (thanks to Steve and everyone for your tolerance over a sensitive subject) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
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This message is from: Kathleen Prince kathl...@pookiebros.com Starvation nor slaughter is humane - humane euthanasia by a veterinarian is the answer. -- Kathleen Prince kathl...@pookiebros.com Pookie Bros. Pet Sitting Professional Pet Care In Your Home! http://www.pookiebros.com On Mar 31, 2009, at 11:56 AM, Randi Nielsen wrote: This message is from: Randi Nielsen cniel...@mwt.net No, I don't support slaughter but is it more humane to let a horse starve to death or to have it slaughtered?? - Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Fjord Rescue Subject
This message is from: Frederick J Pack friendlyf...@hughes.net Euthanasia, according to my farrier, is NOT an option in Washington State if the horse is healthy. My farrier said that a Vet will walk away if asked to put down a healthy horse. I have NOT been able to confirm this with my Vet yet... Poor guy gets hardly any sleep this time of year I don't want to bother him with just a question right now Anyone else know whether this is true or not?? Could be only a Washington State thing... Fred All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington 98396 Starvation nor slaughter is humane - humane euthanasia by a veterinarian is the answer. -- Kathleen Prince kathl...@pookiebros.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Fjord Rescue Subject
This message is from: Karen McCarthy weeg...@hotmail.com Fred, I get the feeling that this is an entirely subjective thing w/ each vet. Pehpas we can get Steve's thoughts on this - Steve? I don't have time to check out specific state laws or codes, but I know in Nevada, it was up to the discretion of our vet, whether she felt the euthanasia was ethically warranted or not. In my case, we had a very healthy grade mare at our boarding facility that was clearly crazy, a danger to horses humans. The owner could not sell her, didn't want to auction her. The vet concurred that she was best destroyed, and she was put down. I read recently that in California, UC Davis had a symposium in Feb. to deal w/ the subject of unwanted horses. Most of the hesitation voiced by the vets in putting unwanted horses down was that they were concerned about what to do w/ all of the carcasses that would accumulate, now that slaughter houses are closed down, most of the rendering plants have ceased operation, and many landfills limit the # of carcasses they accept. In Nevada Calif. it seems that whether a vet euthanizes an unwanted horse depends on the vets own personal ethics, not a state or federal decree. From: friendlyf...@hughes.net To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: RE: Fjord Rescue Subject Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:07:28 -0700 This message is from: Frederick J Pack friendlyf...@hughes.net Euthanasia, according to my farrier, is NOT an option in Washington State if the horse is healthy. My farrier said that a Vet will walk away if asked to put down a healthy horse. I have NOT been able to confirm this with my Vet yet... Poor guy gets hardly any sleep this time of year I don't want to bother him with just a question right now Anyone else know whether this is true or not?? Could be only a Washington State thing... Fred All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington 98396 Starvation nor slaughter is humane - humane euthanasia by a veterinarian is the answer. -- Kathleen Prince kathl...@pookiebros.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Fjord Rescue Subject
This message is from: shawna smith caseacre...@msn.com Some relatives of mine in WA had an old mare put down last fall. She appeared healthy but was lame with arthritis and had had a tough time the previous winter. Of course, with the lameness, she wasn't healthy. I'll ask them if they know anything about that. Shawna in OR -- This message is from: Frederick J Pack friendlyf...@hughes.net Euthanasia, according to my farrier, is NOT an option in Washington State if the horse is healthy. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
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This message is from: Teressa tere...@kodiakfishco.com The March issue of Flying Changes had an article Preventing Unwanted Horses, Owner Responsibility is the Key written by Washington vet Dr. Doug Corey, who practices in Walla Walla, regarding euthanasia of otherwise healthy horses that have no other options. The concluding sentence is I always encourage people to buy rather than breed, to adopt rather than buy, and to euthanize rather than discard. So, no, there is no regulation prohibiting euthanasia of horses in Washington State. Teressa in Ferndale, WA Euthanasia, according to my farrier, is NOT an option in Washington State if the horse is healthy. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Fjord Rescue Subject
This message is from: spiek...@isu.edu - Original Message - From: ruth bushnell fjo...@frontiernet.net Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:26 am Subject: Fjord Rescue Subject To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Cc: Fjord Issues fjordiss...@yahoogroups.com I do not want to start a firestorm but there is an unpleasant reality that we have to face. I too support not breeding until the economy rebounds - however, the repercussions from Not havig humane slaughter around here are significant-I do not know what the Montna provisions are so will not comment on their bill- The trip to the Mexican slaughter facilities is a nightmare for the animals. Just as bad is the release of unwanted horses into the wild. Because we have open land, horses are being turned out to fend for themselves, they starve, get hit by cars or shot when they hang around ranches and farms-some are stallions. It is not a humane end for an old or crippled horse, since it is high desert, not lush pasture and even in mild years like this, snow covers the meager grass. We routinely have reports of starving herds and the few rescue places cannot take any more. They find animals shot out on the desert with their brands removed. I have shared hay with a family down the road who simply could not find any at a reasonable price and were trying to feed on pellets and beet pulp and god only knows what else. They were unaware of the problems that could come from suddenly changing feed and although were trying their best, lost one to colic, also a horrible and preventable end. If all humane slaughter is outlawed, there really is no recourse for some people. Maybe the horse organizations could get together and sponsor some kind of inexpensive euthanasia and disposal insurance for old and sick horses. Well regulated, humane slaughter may have to be an option for simply inwanted horses until the economy rebounds or the problem disappears. If it is going to exist, then maybe the horse organizations could gt involved to assure as humane an end as possible. Just my thoughts. This message is from: ruth bushnell fjo...@frontiernet.net This is a subject that is near and dear to my heart, especially so currently, as Montana just barely okayed the introduction of slaughter houses in the state. I am sick about this!! I'm asking everyone I know to please call or write MT Gov Brian Schweitzer and ask him if he will please veto House Bill 418.. this is our last hope. His phone is 406-444-3111, or you could make a comment on his site: http://governor.mt.gov/contact/commentsform.asp your voice might just tip the scales in favor of his veto.. please, please, please. There was an astounding amount of support for the bill, even from some Fjord horse people! (..whom I had heretofore thought a kinder and gentler race, hah). Before I go on, let me insert that we did not breed our mares last year, though I sure would have liked to, neither did we lift any additionalFjords, etc. We support the moratorium on Fjord breeding, as the horse market is plummeting from the general economy. I believe that the very best we can do, insofar as horse rescue goes, is to initiate and/or enforce civil measures for accountability. Most states have laws against animal cruelty, find out what they are and help see that they are enforced! (and don't give up) I cannot see that expecting the NFHR to police negligent situations is feasible. It does not fall within the bylaw mission statement, hence they would not want the liability factor. The basic responsibility of the registry is to record pedigrees, refusing to do so would be counterproductive, but I'm sure they've well considered their role in these areas. One thing that we could do comes to my mind, and it does fall under the category of breed education. We could have an accessible hot button posted on the NFHR site for assistance measures for Fjord horses in need. Reference contacts for state Humane Societies and Horse Coalitions which assist horses in need.. I was surprised to learn how many Montana has, that many may not have been aware of. I believe it's safe to say that those bad examples, that were melodramaticallydetailed on this list, could not have been helped by educational efforts. Some folks are just downright mean and there's no fixing it. Maybe a list of be aware of persons might help avoid selling to them? Bottom line, let's try harder to avail ourselves of those public resources that are already in place, and not take it upon ourselves as a breed to mandate punitive judgments. If you're eager to save a horses life, make that hundreds of lives, please contact the Governor of Montana! (I'm begging) Ruthie, nw mt US Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management:
RE: Fjord Rescue Subject
This message is from: Linda Lottie horselo...@hotmail.com humane euthanasia...I have had to research this subject because I have a horse that I am going to have to put down in the near future. It is not terribly expensive to have a horse put down. I called three facilities (all equine vets) and all charge #250.00. This includes disposal. Linda in WI Linda Baker Lottie Wild Wind Farm Equestrian Center Where Hearts and Hooves Come Together Grantsburg WI No love, no friendship can cross the path of our destiny without leaving some mark on it forever. -Francois Muriac www.heartsandhoovesforever.blogspot.com Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:17:25 -0600 From: spiek...@isu.edu Subject: Re: Fjord Rescue Subject To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com This message is from: spiek...@isu.edu - Original Message - From: ruth bushnell fjo...@frontiernet.net Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:26 am Subject: Fjord Rescue Subject To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Cc: Fjord Issues fjordiss...@yahoogroups.com I do not want to start a firestorm but there is an unpleasant reality that we have to face. I too support not breeding until the economy rebounds - however, the repercussions from Not havig humane slaughter around here are significant-I do not know what the Montna provisions are so will not comment on their bill- The trip to the Mexican slaughter facilities is a nightmare for the animals. Just as bad is the release of unwanted horses into the wild. Because we have open land, horses are being turned out to fend for themselves, they starve, get hit by cars or shot when they hang around ranches and farms-some are stallions. It is not a humane end for an old or crippled horse, since it is high desert, not lush pasture and even in mild years like this, snow covers the meager grass. We routinely have reports of starving herds and the few rescue places cannot take any more. They find animals shot out on the desert with their brands removed. I have shared hay with a family down the road who simply could not find any at a reasonable price and were trying to feed on pellets and beet pulp and god only knows what else. They were unaware of the problems that could come from suddenly changing feed and although were trying their best, lost one to colic, also a horrible and preventable end. If all humane slaughter is outlawed, there really is no recourse for some people. Maybe the horse organizations could get together and sponsor some kind of inexpensive euthanasia and disposal insurance for old and sick horses. Well regulated, humane slaughter may have to be an option for simply inwanted horses until the economy rebounds or the problem disappears. If it is going to exist, then maybe the horse organizations could gt involved to assure as humane an end as possible. Just my thoughts. This message is from: ruth bushnell fjo...@frontiernet.net This is a subject that is near and dear to my heart, especially so currently, as Montana just barely okayed the introduction of slaughter houses in the state. I am sick about this!! I'm asking everyone I know to please call or write MT Gov Brian Schweitzer and ask him if he will please veto House Bill 418.. this is our last hope. His phone is 406-444-3111, or you could make a comment on his site: http://governor.mt.gov/contact/commentsform.asp your voice might just tip the scales in favor of his veto.. please, please, please. There was an astounding amount of support for the bill, even from some Fjord horse people! (..whom I had heretofore thought a kinder and gentler race, hah). Before I go on, let me insert that we did not breed our mares last year, though I sure would have liked to, neither did we lift any additionalFjords, etc. We support the moratorium on Fjord breeding, as the horse market is plummeting from the general economy. I believe that the very best we can do, insofar as horse rescue goes, is to initiate and/or enforce civil measures for accountability. Most states have laws against animal cruelty, find out what they are and help see that they are enforced! (and don't give up) I cannot see that expecting the NFHR to police negligent situations is feasible. It does not fall within the bylaw mission statement, hence they would not want the liability factor. The basic responsibility of the registry is to record pedigrees, refusing to do so would be counterproductive, but I'm sure they've well considered their role in these areas. One thing that we could do comes to my mind, and it does fall under the category of breed education. We could have an accessible hot button posted on the NFHR site for assistance measures for Fjord horses in need. Reference contacts for state Humane Societies and Horse Coalitions which assist horses in need.. I was surprised to learn how many Montana has
RE: Fjord Rescue Subject
This message is from: plumg...@pon.net plumg...@pon.net In our area, it is about $500 when all is said and done. I have heard of rescues offering free euthanasia. Gail It is not terribly expensive to have a horse put down. I called three facilities (all equine vets) and all charge #250.00. This includes disposal. Linda in WI Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
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This message is from: Robin Churchill rbc...@yahoo.com There is a an organization in California that is sponsoring a low-cost euthanasia clinic. They evaluate the horses and if they are suitable for adoption, they are rescued and if not, they are euthanized for, I think, $30. From what they said they are having far more requests than they though they would. I think there may be info on it on TheHorse.com. Robin --- On Tue, 3/24/09, spiek...@isu.edu spiek...@isu.edu wrote: From: spiek...@isu.edu spiek...@isu.edu Subject: Re: Fjord Rescue Subject To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 2:17 PM This message is from: spiek...@isu.edu Maybe the horse organizations could get together and sponsor some kind of inexpensive euthanasia and disposal insurance for old and sick horses. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Fjord Rescue Subject
This message is from: Karen McCarthy weeg...@hotmail.com The NorCal Equine Rescue has pioneered this so far...They have Euthansia clinics. As far as I know they were the first to do so. In my area they are starting to do this as well, and used NorCal as their model. Believe it or not, some folks can't muster even the $250 it takes, and for horses that are aged or sick beyond re-habbing, humane euth is warrented (IMO). NorCal does a great job rescuing, educating adopting out. They are not at all into saving every freaking horse on the planet I think they are very progressive and grounded in reality, and they get my vote, and occasionally my $$ as I think it is a worthwhile effort. Check them out: http://www.norcalequinerescue.com/index.php :: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon :: http://www.picturetrail.com/weegees From: plumg...@pon.net To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: RE: Fjord Rescue Subject Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:15:27 -0700 This message is from: plumg...@pon.net plumg...@pon.net In our area, it is about $500 when all is said and done. I have heard of rescues offering free euthanasia. Gail It is not terribly expensive to have a horse put down. I called three facilities (all equine vets) and all charge #250.00. This includes disposal. Linda in WI Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Fjord Rescue Subject
This message is from: Mary Sergeant mkserge...@gmail.com This message is from: Robin Churchill rbc...@yahoo.com There is a an organization in California that is sponsoring a low-cost euthanasia clinic. They evaluate the horses and if they are suitable for adoption, they are rescued and if not, they are euthanized for, I think, $30. From what they said they are having far more requests than they though they would. I think there may be info on it on TheHorse.com. Robin Is this the right rescue? It looks like they do free euthanasia clinics. http://www.norcalequinerescue.com/index.php Mary with Ingrid and Nellie in Colorado Where we have no rain or snow Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
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This message is from: rbc...@yahoo.com That is the one I was referring to Karen, I couldn't remember the exact name but as you say they seem to be very successful. Robin --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Karen McCarthy weeg...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Karen McCarthy weeg...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: Fjord Rescue Subject To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:18 PM This message is from: Karen McCarthy weeg...@hotmail.com The NorCal Equine Rescue has pioneered this so far...They have Euthansia clinics. As far as I know they were the first to do so. In my area they are starting to do this as well, and used NorCal as their model. Believe it or not, some folks can't muster even the $250 it takes, and for horses that are aged or sick beyond re-habbing, humane euth is warrented (IMO). NorCal does a great job rescuing, educating adopting out. They are not at all into saving every freaking horse on the planet I think they are very progressive and grounded in reality, and they get my vote, and occasionally my $$ as I think it is a worthwhile effort. Check them out: http://www.norcalequinerescue.com/index.php :: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon :: http://www.picturetrail.com/weegees From: plumg...@pon.net To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: RE: Fjord Rescue Subject Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:15:27 -0700 This message is from: plumg...@pon.net plumg...@pon.net In our area, it is about $500 when all is said and done. I have heard of rescues offering free euthanasia. Gail It is not terribly expensive to have a horse put down. I called three facilities (all equine vets) and all charge #250.00. This includes disposal. Linda in WI Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
