Re: need help with a foundering mare

[Karen McCarthy]

This message is from: Karen McCarthy 


I second Beth's assessment...vet asap they can help sooner w/ IV's and
hopefully you have a vet with digital X ray capabilities.
I wish you and your mare well...

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From: "Beth & Sandy - Starfire Farm" 
To: 
Subject: need help with a foundering mare
Date: Sun, Sep 28, 2014 1:20 PM


This message is from: "Beth & Sandy - Starfire Farm" 


 Founder can be a very serious, life threatening problem! If your horse
is severely lame as you describe, especially if she is showing lameness
in all four feet, I would call the vet immediately to determine the
extent of the damage and to address the symptoms asap.
Beth

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From: "Janet" 
To: 
Subject: need help with a foundering mare

This message is from: "Janet" 

help, it appears one of my mares is foundering. I switched from pasture
to
hay 2 weeks ago, and found her severely lame this morning. All four seem
to
hurt but especially one front and one rear. I have her soaking in cold
water
and gave her 3 grams of bute. Is a vet call worth while? or are they just
going to confirm founder and administer bute?

Janet

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Re: need help with a foundering mare

[Beth & Sandy - Starfire Farm]

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 Founder can be a very serious, life threatening problem! If your horse
is severely lame as you describe, especially if she is showing lameness
in all four feet, I would call the vet immediately to determine the
extent of the damage and to address the symptoms asap. 
Beth

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From: "Janet" 
To: 
Subject: need help with a foundering mare

This message is from: "Janet" 

help, it appears one of my mares is foundering. I switched from pasture
to
hay 2 weeks ago, and found her severely lame this morning. All four seem
to
hurt but especially one front and one rear. I have her soaking in cold
water
and gave her 3 grams of bute. Is a vet call worth while? or are they just
going to confirm founder and administer bute?

Janet

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Re: need help

[Linda Lottie User]

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Kate.we do have eagles that nest nearby but the wounds are more like a 4
legged critter.

So far, the most likely are small mountian lion, single wolf..both of which
have been sighted in the area.

Fencing is not a possibility.  My pastures are clear and no fencing down on
the perimeter.  

Thanks for taking time to respondLinda




On 5/26/08 7:48 AM, "kate charboneau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This message is from: kate charboneau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Linda,
> I'm very glad your mare's okay.
> 
> A neighbor's horse was attacked a couple springs ago by an adult male black
> bear.  Those marks were primarily rump & back.  So I think that rules out
> black bears, as your perpetrator.
> 
> In northern MN we have many large owls, and eagles and I have seen them hunt.
> I'd rule them out as your perpetrator.I'd do as someone else said & check for
> old fencing left by previous farmers.  Sometimes in the spring it will come up
> out of the ground as the frost moves things around.
> 
> I'd also seriously consider cougar/mountail lion.  We have them here in our
> area, there have been some problems (few & far between) and the marks are very
> much as you describe.  The most problem we had was when a guy released some
> young adults that had been his "pets".  They were not nearly as leery as the
> fully wild cougars so there were many sightings, and their hunting skills were
> poor.  That made for a bad year for livestock in a suprisingly large area.
> Victims I heard about were sheep, goats, yearling cows, and ponies.
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Re: Need help

[Linda Lottie User]

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Yes it helps a lot.  I,too, wondered if it was a  young animal.  We do have
some wandering that get away from captive situtations

Thanks for your hubby's help.good source.

Linda


On 5/26/08 8:37 AM, "Alicia Encoyand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This message is from: Alicia Encoyand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Hi, My husband, who is an expirianced forester and a Park Ranger of two years
> is pretty sure it was a young, inexpirianced Mountain Lion. He said that is
> about the only animal that will attack the top of the animal like that. He
> also said that if it had been a bear or a wolf, they would have attacked from
> behing and probably killed your horse. An inexpirianced Mountain Lion though
> would not have any pesitence and would give up if kicked. Hope this helps,
>  
> Alicia
> 
> 
> Alicia, Alex and Elizabeth Encoyand
> 209-768-0281
> Sonora, California
> www.mineshaftminiatures.com
> "Raising quality American Miniature Horses"
> 
> --- On Sat, 5/24/08, Linda Lottie User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> From: Linda Lottie User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Need help
> To: "fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com" 
> Date: Saturday, May 24, 2008, 5:30 PM
> 
> This message is from: Linda Lottie User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Hi Fjord Lovers;
> 
> I need some suggestions:
> 
> Yesterday I turned out my Swedish Gotland mare (21 years old) at 6am, on the
> pasture.  She is turned out with a large paint gelding.
> 
> At  1pm I went to bring them to the dry lot and found the Gotland with hair
> missing, scratch marks and small puncture wounds.  None were bleeding but
> some had a little blood.
> 
> It appeared that she was attacked from the top as all the wounds were on the
> back or upper sides.  What ever attacked her had claws because there was a
> large long swipe with three claw marks.claws about 1/4 inch apart.
> 
> Lots of hair was missingbut no open gash wounds or open claw swipes.
> 
> I heard nothing but was cleaning the barn, radio on and vacc running.
> 
> Does anyone have an idea of what the heck could have attacked her?
> 
> We have Bear, Wolves, Cougar, Coyote, Eagles and Mountian Lion in the area
> but sightings are very, very rare for the cats.  The south wall of the
> pasture is a large area of pine trees and the surrounding property is a
> large vacent woods.  There are many large trees in the pasture and two
> ponds. 
> 
> My Gotland does not hear as well as the other horses and she limps a bit.
> 
> She is ok and seems none the worse for wearbut, I am scared to turn her
> out again in that pasture.  She is much smaller than a fjord.finer boned
> - more like a mid size pony.
> 
> The paint had no wounds but dang, he lost a shoe, so thinking he was in
> muddy swampy grass and sprung up very quickly in response to the attack and
> left his shoe behind!
> 
> To make this fjord related.I love mine:)
> 
> Linda in NW WI 
> 
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RE: need help

[kate charboneau]

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Linda,
I'm very glad your mare's okay.

A neighbor's horse was attacked a couple springs ago by an adult male black
bear.  Those marks were primarily rump & back.  So I think that rules out
black bears, as your perpetrator.

In northern MN we have many large owls, and eagles and I have seen them hunt.
I'd rule them out as your perpetrator.I'd do as someone else said & check for
old fencing left by previous farmers.  Sometimes in the spring it will come up
out of the ground as the frost moves things around.

I'd also seriously consider cougar/mountail lion.  We have them here in our
area, there have been some problems (few & far between) and the marks are very
much as you describe.  The most problem we had was when a guy released some
young adults that had been his "pets".  They were not nearly as leery as the
fully wild cougars so there were many sightings, and their hunting skills were
poor.  That made for a bad year for livestock in a suprisingly large area.
Victims I heard about were sheep, goats, yearling cows, and ponies.
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re Need help

[Janet]

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Hi Linda,

I'm not too sure what could have attacked the horse, but I think you can 
rule out bear and cougar.  I've had dogs and sheep attacked by both, and the 
claw marks would be much further apart (more like one inch or more apart) 
and the width of the claw mark would be as thick as a pencil.  The punctures 
from a bite wound would be more typically on the back of the neck near the 
shoulders, and the claw marks typically would be over the back or hips.  I 
think even our smaller cats (lynx and bob cat) would have claws spaced 
further apart.


One of the best ways to determine whodunnit, is to measure the impression of 
the dentition on the bite wound.  If you can identify the upper canine teeth 
and measure the distance between them.  Also measure the width of the tooth. 
Animals are remarkably consistant in this spacing and size of the tooth.


We do have some other tree dwelling critters here, like fishers and pine 
martins,  that are rather rare, but can be very aggressive, but I don't 
think they would attack a horse.


Janet

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Re: Need help

[Alicia Encoyand]

This message is from: Alicia Encoyand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi, My husband, who is an expirianced forester and a Park Ranger of two years 
is pretty sure it was a young, inexpirianced Mountain Lion. He said that is 
about the only animal that will attack the top of the animal like that. He also 
said that if it had been a bear or a wolf, they would have attacked from behing 
and probably killed your horse. An inexpirianced Mountain Lion though would not 
have any pesitence and would give up if kicked. Hope this helps,
 
Alicia


Alicia, Alex and Elizabeth Encoyand
209-768-0281
Sonora, California
www.mineshaftminiatures.com
"Raising quality American Miniature Horses"

--- On Sat, 5/24/08, Linda Lottie User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Linda Lottie User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Need help
To: "fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com" 
Date: Saturday, May 24, 2008, 5:30 PM

This message is from: Linda Lottie User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi Fjord Lovers;

I need some suggestions:

Yesterday I turned out my Swedish Gotland mare (21 years old) at 6am, on the
pasture.  She is turned out with a large paint gelding.

At  1pm I went to bring them to the dry lot and found the Gotland with hair
missing, scratch marks and small puncture wounds.  None were bleeding but
some had a little blood.

It appeared that she was attacked from the top as all the wounds were on the
back or upper sides.  What ever attacked her had claws because there was a
large long swipe with three claw marks.claws about 1/4 inch apart.

Lots of hair was missingbut no open gash wounds or open claw swipes.

I heard nothing but was cleaning the barn, radio on and vacc running.

Does anyone have an idea of what the heck could have attacked her?

We have Bear, Wolves, Cougar, Coyote, Eagles and Mountian Lion in the area
but sightings are very, very rare for the cats.  The south wall of the
pasture is a large area of pine trees and the surrounding property is a
large vacent woods.  There are many large trees in the pasture and two
ponds. 

My Gotland does not hear as well as the other horses and she limps a bit.

She is ok and seems none the worse for wearbut, I am scared to turn her
out again in that pasture.  She is much smaller than a fjord.finer boned
- more like a mid size pony.

The paint had no wounds but dang, he lost a shoe, so thinking he was in
muddy swampy grass and sprung up very quickly in response to the attack and
left his shoe behind!

To make this fjord related.I love mine:)

Linda in NW WI 

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RE: need help

[Janet]

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wolves would have grabbed the flanks, or under side of the neck.  They also 
tend to create a fair amount of panick so your horses would appear to have 
been chased through fences etc.  Wolves and coyotes would not leave claw 
marks.


Janet 


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Re: Need help

[shawna smith]

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Linda,
Many years ago, I had a horse attacked by a cougar and the claw marks 
left behind were larger, with about an inch between claw marks, one set on 
top of horses back, the other along his side and flank. In the horses 
flight, he ran thru a barb wire fence which did serious damage to his hind 
leg... An old retired trapper surmised it was a full-grown tom.  It's hard 
to know what exactly happened to your mare, thankfully she's okay!!

Shawna in NW OR

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This message is from: Linda Lottie User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi Fjord Lovers;

I need some suggestions:

Does anyone have an idea of what the heck could have attacked her?

We have Bear, Wolves, Cougar, Coyote, Eagles and Mountian Lion in the area


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Re: Need help

[Epona1971]

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In a message dated 5/24/2008 5:35:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

It  appeared that she was attacked from the top as all the wounds were on  the
back or upper sides.  What ever attacked her had claws because  there was a
large long swipe with three claw marks.claws about 1/4 inch  apart.



Linda, I hope your Gotland is okay!
 
My first thought would be a tangle with fencing. I would check for old  
barbed wire, chicken wire, no-climb wire ... that could cause the wounds you  
described. 
 
Brigid Wasson
SF Bay Area, CA



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Re: need help on NFHR Promotion Committee

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Oh shoot.  I am so embarassed.  That was SUPPOSED to go privately.  :-(
Martie in MD

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>Cynthia,
>This is Martie Bolinski (Martie in MD on the Fjord list).  

Re: need help on NFHR Promotion Committee

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Cynthia,
This is Martie Bolinski (Martie in MD on the Fjord list).  I was 
contacted by Vivian Creigh about the possibility of doing something in 
stained glass as a prize for the show.  I have been unable to get in 
touch with Vivian by email (maybe she is still in Florida and out of 
email reach?).  At any rate, I had recently sent her an email saying 
that John and I would like to donate a pice of artwork as a prize rather 
than have the committee pay for it.   This would probably be in lieu of 
class sponsorship.  I have a first photo of the piece, but don't know 
who to contact at this point to see if the item is appropriate.
Do you have an alternative contact person's name and email that I 
could email?

thanks,
Martie Bolinski
Twin Oaks Graphics
http://bolinsj.tripod.com/twinoaksgraphics

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>
>I am liason to the NFHR BOD for the Promotion Committee for the next year.
>This committee will be heavily involved in the 25th Anniversary Celebration
>in October in Winona, MN. If aNFHR member would like to help out, please
>contact me for a description of the committee. I am already searching for
>ideas for promotion items to offer at the celebration. Please contact me at
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Re: Need help please with write-up

[Mike May]

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At 04:30 PM 9/5/99 -0500, you wrote:

This message is from: Mike and Casey Rogillio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



 in California (??) won ??? for Dressage.  Help me here, I know
someone did something spectacular with their horse but can't recall
where and when or who!


Anne Appleby in Olympia Washington has done a lot in the dressage world 
with a couple of different Fjords.






??used in Competitive Driving Events ?? (Laura & Lori?)  where, who,
when?


Don't forget Vivian Creigh & Marnix.  They just won the CDE at Myopia a 
couple of weeks ago.  Both Craig & Laura Wich did very well at that CDE 
also.  I think Laura was 4th in the single pony & Craig was I think 2nd in 
the pairs.






??used in ?? (Joel where are you??) to regularly skid (right word?)
logs.


Pat Wolfe of Ontario Canada uses Fjords in his Log home building school.



Again, thanks for any help you can give.  I'm kind of stressing over
this since we'll be the only Fjord there and I want to do a good job
doing something I've never done before!  I want to represent the breed
well and be informed, accurately informed, on the breed's
accomplishments.


Sounds to me like it is going to be a well planned and thought out 
presentation.  Good Luck with it!


Mike

Re: Need Help Finding a Fjord

[Carolyn Dumong]

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> This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Hi everyone,
> I am fairly new to the mailing list and I really enjoy reading all of the
> input and advice everyone has to offer.  It's such a help. I have been riding
> for 24 years and have owned horses most of that time.  I currently have a
> horse which I enjoy riding on trails and for just pleasure.  Over the past
> few months I have learned a lot about Fjords and have ridden them a couple of
> times and have completely fallen in love with this breed.  I was at Equitana
> in June and visited the wonderful and organized booth that so many of you
> helped to put together and man while the event was taking place.  Well done.
> I think your booth was one of the very best  I am now serious about
> purchasing a Fjord and would like some help in locating one.  I live in
> Indiana.  I would really appreciate any help in locating a Fjord for sale.
> Thanks again for all the great help!!!  Please feel free to respond to my
> email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Take care...Tracy :o)
Tracy, you wrote my story..however, I have not had the pleasure of ever
riding a Fjord!  Keep me in mind in Southern Florida, everyone!  Need to
have one of these little guys!!  Carolyn.

Re: Need Help Finding a Fjord

[TAVINC70]

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Thanks for responding to my post.  I did want those who manned the booth to 
know how great I thought it was.  It's about 100 degrees here today without 
the heat index!! Please keep me in mind if you hear of any Fjord for sale!!! 
Take care and Thanks.  Tracy :o)

Re: Need Help Finding a Fjord

[Mike May, Registrar NFHR]

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At 11:57 PM 7/5/99 -0400, you wrote:

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I was at Equitana
in June and visited the wonderful and organized booth that so many of you
helped to put together and man while the event was taking place.  Well done.
I think your booth was one of the very best  I am now serious about
purchasing a Fjord and would like some help in locating one.  I live in
Indiana.  I would really appreciate any help in locating a Fjord for sale.


Tracy,

Did you happen to pick up a Breeders list while you were at Equitana?  If 
not please email me privately with your name & regular mailing address and 
I will send you one.  My email is:  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Mike


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Re: Need Help Finding a Fjord

[SorgerJ]

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Tracy
   Thanks for the compliment about the Equitana booth. I am sure we 
probably talked when you came to the booth. I am the one with the accent 
[British]. It is great to hear from those out there who attended Equitana, 
there have been a few in the last couple of weeks.
   Don't know of any Fjords for sale in Indiana but some one out there 
will.Sue in humid New Mexico {monsoon season] and the "girls" Katrina 
and  Heather.