Re: Evaluation Proposal

1999-08-13 Thread Mike May, Registrar NFHR

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At 04:36 PM 8/12/99 -0400, you wrote:

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Hello Mike,

You are missing my point.


I don't think so.


 My point is the
evaluation costs are very high for both the host AND the owner.


The costs for the host are to be paid for with the entry fees.  There 
should be no cost to the host.  If there is you didn't do it right.


Since this is a "project" designed to assist in maintaining breed 
standards, it should

be more easily accessable to people who would wish to enter multiple horses,
both in regard to location AND finances.


I agree but no one has come up with ways to do this.  One way is to get 
more Evaluators trained so that the travel expenses for them could be 
minimized.  This is being worked on right now.




By the way, when we discussed an onfarm eval for our area, you did tell me we
would have to provide stabling.  Hence, I was given the impression this was
yet another evaluation requirement.


No it isn't written that you have to provide stabling (I don't think it is) 
but I thought it was pretty well common sense.  You can't just let them all 
stand in their trailers all the while they are there in say the 98 deg. 
heat like we had in Blue Earth this year.


Mike


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Re: Evaluation Proposal

1999-08-12 Thread Jean Gayle
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When I had my mare evaluated in the Holsteiner evaluations 12 years ago it
cost me over four hundred dollars.  Including the mane puller and braider,
registration, stable,  fellow who showed her, motel and food, plus gasoline.
But she was graded third in a class of 18, entered in the Holsteiner main
mare book and her value went up 5 to 10 thousand dollars plus her foals were
all "brandable". ( This seems important in some circles)  Pretty good value
gained for $$ paid.


Jean Gayle
Aberdeen, WA
[Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter"
Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ]
http://www.techline.com/~jgayle



Re: Evaluation Proposal

1999-08-12 Thread Heithingi
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Hello Mike,

You are missing my point. Of course horses are expensive!!  We all know that. 
 We expect to pay for everything to do with a horse!  My point is the 
evaluation costs are very high for both the host AND the owner.  Since this 
is a "project" designed to assist in maintaining breed standards, it should 
be more easily accessable to people who would wish to enter multiple horses, 
both in regard to location AND finances.

By the way, when we discussed an onfarm eval for our area, you did tell me we 
would have to provide stabling.  Hence, I was given the impression this was 
yet another evaluation requirement.

Lynda
Daniel Bailey and Lynda C. Welch-Bailey
Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm
White Cloud, MI



Re: Evaluation Proposal

1999-08-12 Thread Mike May, Registrar NFHR

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At 01:40 PM 8/12/99 -0400, you wrote:

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IF we had 25 horses, and IF each entered only one
event, the price per horse would be $120 per horse, NOT counting stable
rental, hotel, meals, and mileage on behalf of the owner.

Seriously, everyone, how feasible is this


I think you will find most of the horses that have been evaluated already 
have paid at least this much and probably more so I guess it IS 
feasible.  Horses are expensive.  We are going to the Woodstock show in a 
few weeks.  The show will cost well over $1,000 before it is over by time 
we pay for the gas, the stall fees the class entries, the hotel & the 
food.  That is for ONE horse and one rider/driver.  Again Horses are NOT 
cheap.If someone told you they were they were lying to you!!!  A smart man 
once told me that it doesn't matter how much you pay for your horse because 
it will end up being the cheap part in the long run.  Boy was he 
RIGHT!!!  Right off the bat a 20K truck & a 5K trailer took care of his 
prediction before we even left the barn.  That was back in 90 or 91 
too.  Don't even think about the harnesses, the carts, the saddles the 
clothes etc, etc.  HORSES ARE NOT CHEAP.  They are NEVER going to be cheap 
either.





If all the existing Fjord clubs became affiliated with the NFHR, the
evaluation process could become easier.


What becomes easier?



The NFHR CONTROLLS the eval process every step of the way.


Not exactly.  It controls it to the extent that they have to all use the 
same equipment, same tests and ring sizes etc.  Yes this is true.  If it 
wasn't then you wouldn't be comparing apples to apples would you?



The NFHR controls evaluator fees, expenses,


No it does not.  The Evaluators set their fees not the NFHR.


 ground requirements, equipment requirements,


yes see above.



stabling, number of horses entrants, plus more.


No you will not find anything about stabling in the handbook.  The number 
of entrants is only a guideline to make it feasible in the first place.



The evaluation in and of itself is a NFHR entity!


Yes it is.

Therefore, the NFHR should be required to cover all expenses of 
evaluations minus entry proceeds.


If that is to be true then the rules would even be tighter to assure 
expenses were met.



Evaluations should not be about money, nor profit.


I can tell you for sure there has NEVER been a profit made by the NFHR on 
any evaluation.  The one in Blue Earth last year actually did have money 
left over.  As far as I know it went to the Midwest club not the NFHR though.



The goal
should be to break even, while providing owners and breeders the opportunity
to evaluate their horses at a reasonable cost.


That is the goal right now.  Break even.


If the NFHR assisted with cost, the entry price would go down.


But eventually something has to pay for it.  Membership fees would have to 
go up or registration fees or something.




If this is not acceptable, we propose loosening up the evaluation process.
Private onfarm evaluations,


On farm evaluations are allowed now.  Just not private.  Private would just 
cost you more because there would be less horses anyway.



only one evaluator required,


Then you are open to personality problems.  To be honest there probably 
should be 3 of them not 2.



I am certain we could all think of possible alternatives.


You can't imagine how many of them have been explored already.

Mike

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